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Just announced in Pax Prime panel.
The second set in Khans of Tarkir... FATE REFORGED, coming January 23!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/key_a3fhiuaer.jpg)
Edit: Thanks Dudecore!
Official Announcement: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/announcingfrf-en
Mythicspoiler Link: http://mythicspoiler.com/frf/
based on that image... dare i say Lord Bolas??
^ and time travel will be in the set so maybe he's not.
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Ugin is dead though.
Yeah, if only Tarkir were a time travel block....
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Ugin is dead though.
Bolas said that he killed him, but can we
REALLY trust anything he says??
Sorin finds him dead on Tarkir. Story card.
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/bitterrevelation.jpg)
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 31, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Ugin is dead though.
Bolas said that he killed him, but can we REALLY trust anything he says??
The PAX panel (started at 4:30 EST) confirmed he is dead.
*GASP* Plot twist!!!
Dun Dun Dun Dun!!!!
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
Sorin finds him dead on Tarkir. Story card.
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/bitterrevelation.jpg)
The flavor on this card is so awesome.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 31, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Ugin is dead though.
Bolas said that he killed him, but can we REALLY trust anything he says??
I believe bolas said he "took care of" him. Pretty open ended.
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 31, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 31, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Ugin is dead though.
Bolas said that he killed him, but can we REALLY trust anything he says??
I believe bolas said he "took care of" him. Pretty open ended.
So potentially not dead, imprisoned maybe?
Quote from: S717 on August 31, 2014, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 31, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 31, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Ugin is dead though.
Bolas said that he killed him, but can we REALLY trust anything he says??
I believe bolas said he "took care of" him. Pretty open ended.
So potentially not dead, imprisoned maybe?
Guys. Hes dead.
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
They specifically said he's dead. The only option to avoid that is time travel.
and they specifically said this was a time travel block.
So lets go with the assumption that is Ugin, because it makes perfect sense given everything we know...
So its "Fate Reforged" right? Here is what's going to happen (all speculation, not confirmed): in "Fate Reforged" Sorin and Sarkhan change history (saving Ugin, etc.) and the third set (Lewey) is a "new future" where dragons never went extinct (including enemy fetchlands). Sort of a similar story to Innistrad (without Avacyn, then Avacyn Restored with Avacyn). Its going to happen, I am 90% sure.
They mentioned in the panel that Sorin arrived on Tarkir to find Ugin, his only ally and person powerful enough to trap the Eldrazi again. Gideon was on Ravnica to get allies against the Eldrazi, And Nissa is in the new Core set. It is completely possible that at the conclusion of Tarkir we return to Zendikar to face off against the Eldrazi. I would however, like to see a break inbetween (so we get new planeswalkers) and pick up the New Phyrexia storyline.
I hope it ends with Phyrexian-ized Eldrazi. Or we find out that Fblthp was a young Nicol Bolas, who plots to take over the universe after he wasn't given proper directions or a hug. ({Totally Lost})
Yes. Chandra has to go to Theros and go back in time to save Elspeth so that she can go to Ravnica, travel back in time, and take Fblthp across the street.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
Yes. Chandra has to go to Theros and go back in time to save Elspeth so that she can go to Ravnica, travel back in time, and take Fblthp across the street.
excellent prediction. We also need to figure out how Tibalt figures into this whole story line.
I can't figure out why Wizard's wont hire me. This is creative gold! Gold I tell you!
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2014, 08:20:50 PM
I can't figure out why Wizard's wont hire me. This is creative gold! Gold I tell you!
Maybe they lost your application. Reapply. 😬😬😬
Don't forget Karn was built for time travel. He can go back in time and get venser of the juice.
Quote from: Rasser on August 31, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
Don't forget Karn was built for time travel. He can go back in time and get venser of the juice.
I still think that we see Karn or maybe Kharn heheheheeee :P
Quote from: Dmreiss on August 31, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
Yes. Chandra has to go to Theros and go back in time to save Elspeth so that she can go to Ravnica, travel back in time, and take Fblthp across the street.
excellent prediction. We also need to figure out how Tibalt figures into this whole story line.
Tibalt accidentally pulls Grislebrand onto Tarkir and Grislebrand and Ugin get into a massive battle and Grislebrand steals Ugin's spark and becomes a planeswalker
Personally, I love Elspeth and Venser, but I sincerely hope they aren't revived. Those sort of things happening in Time Travel stories diminishes the impact of the original circumstance. Kill off more, I say, then create more new ones.
Maybe Urza will rise from the depths of Tarkir and destroy Bolas then get himself destroyed in the process
Quote from: Spikepit on August 31, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
Personally, I love Elspeth and Venser, but I sincerely hope they aren't revived. Those sort of things happening in Time Travel stories diminishes the impact of the original circumstance. Kill off more, I say, then create more new ones.
If Venser comes back, then it would completely cheapen the importance of a spark. Elspeth is a special circumstance, as she may be trapped in Nyx or the underworld on Theros. She may be able to come back. Venser be dead for sure.
They've gotta be careful with time travel stories, and put limits on them. If anything can be undone by going back in time then nothing is important - once everything becomes so dire they can just write it out in time travel.
I believe this situation is different. I'm not sure Ugin will be revived, but might teach {Ghostfire} and other things to Sarkhan.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2014, 11:08:10 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 31, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
Personally, I love Elspeth and Venser, but I sincerely hope they aren't revived. Those sort of things happening in Time Travel stories diminishes the impact of the original circumstance. Kill off more, I say, then create more new ones.
If Venser comes back, then it would completely cheapen the importance of a spark. Elspeth is a special circumstance, as she may be trapped in Nyx or the underworld on Theros. She may be able to come back. Venser be dead for sure.
They've gotta be careful with time travel stories, and put limits on them. If anything can be undone by going back in time then nothing is important - once everything becomes so dire they can just write it out in time travel.
I believe this situation is different. I'm not sure Ugin will be revived, but might teach {Ghostfire} and other things to Sarkhan.
My point exactly. 😁 Elspeth may be brought back one day, but it hope either not for a loooooooooong time or not at all... even though I'm a bit 😪 about it.
We need a new UW planeswalker. We have 2x as many Gruul planeswalkers, 2 in standaRd at the same time.
I wonder from a flavor perspective how Sorin is B/W. He is a creature of the night, which I guess makes him evil? He doesn't seem like it though. He created Avacyn premending to protect the humans on Innistrad from vampires. He helped Ugin and the Lithomancer seal the Eldrazi, and he fights Tibalt in Sorin vs. Tibalt - those all seem positive. He is even upset Ugin is dead, and shows some solidarity for the world's that will be destroyed by Eldrazi.
He's also far from being mono white. I don't know what color he'd be really. Black is marked by selfishness and concerned with getting what they want at any cost. Sorin is a vampire..and a good guy.
If Venser ever is a card again, he is a zombie Venser under Lilliana's control. That is the ONLY way that could ever happen.
Anyway, I hope Ugin comes back, I feel there is a lot of potential for him.
To get back on track storywise. Because of the time travel, do you think Sarkhan will want to stay in the past because there are more dragons there, or continue his quest for the present.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2014, 11:36:45 PM
We need a new UW planeswalker. We have 2x as many Gruul planeswalkers, 2 in standaRd at the same time.
I wonder from a flavor perspective how Sorin is B/W. He is a creature of the night, which I guess makes him evil? He doesn't seem like it though. He created Avacyn premending to protect the humans on Innistrad from vampires. He helped Ugin and the Lithomancer seal the Eldrazi, and he fights Tibalt in Sorin vs. Tibalt - those all seem positive. He is even upset Ugin is dead, and shows some solidarity for the world's that will be destroyed by Eldrazi.
He's also far from being mono white. I don't know what color he'd be really. Black is marked by selfishness and concerned with getting what they want at any cost. Sorin is a vampire..and a good guy.
By reading the description of black on the wikia, he is very much black. And white.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Black
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/White
Link it.
Quote from: Spikepit on September 01, 2014, 12:08:57 AM
Link it.
Done.
What most people forget is that there also an evil side to white...
I haven't forgotten the evil side to white, I just don't understand how he's black. I'm going to continue to read, but I don't see much.
Reading Sorin's bio, his involvement on Innistrad besides being a card in Dark Ascension is minimal. He kinda shows up for no reason, fights Tibalt and then leaves. Seems like they pushed him hard into the story :P
Oh man, if they give Grislebrand a spark...
Quote from: Dudecore on September 01, 2014, 12:23:57 AM
I haven't forgotten the evil side to white, I just don't understand how he's black. I'm going to continue to read, but I don't see much.
Reading Sorin's bio, his involvement on Innistrad besides being a card in Dark Ascension is minimal. He kinda shows up for no reason, fights Tibalt and then leaves. Seems like they pushed him hard into the story :P
Uh no, he also created Avacyn to keep vampires, werewolfs, and zombies at bay;)
Quote from: Pride the Solo King on September 01, 2014, 01:42:57 AM
Oh man, if they give Grislebrand a spark...
Big Gris is dead. He was one of the demons who had control over Liliana, so she killed him.
Linked the official announcement to the first page!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 01, 2014, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: Pride the Solo King on September 01, 2014, 01:42:57 AM
Oh man, if they give Grislebrand a spark...
Big Gris is dead. He was one of the demons who had control over Liliana, so she killed him.
Linked the official announcement to the first page!
Aww...
Well then, I really just want one of the big five to die.
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on September 01, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 01, 2014, 12:23:57 AM
I haven't forgotten the evil side to white, I just don't understand how he's black. I'm going to continue to read, but I don't see much.
Reading Sorin's bio, his involvement on Innistrad besides being a card in Dark Ascension is minimal. He kinda shows up for no reason, fights Tibalt and then leaves. Seems like they pushed him hard into the story :P
Uh no, he also created Avacyn to keep vampires, werewolfs, and zombies at bay;)
He did that all premending, before Innistrad block. The extend of his involvement in Innistrad block was:
- Return home for no reason
- See that Avacyn is missing
- Fight Tibalt
- OK, someone else freed Avacyn, she is back .
- Planeswalk to Tarkir.
I know he had to be included, it is his home plane. But they could've came up with something for him to do. Liliana and Garruk had a better story. Tamiyo had as much reason to be there as Sorin.
At least they did a better job with Sorin this time round. I imagine he'll be rather important to the story, given his involvement with Ugin.
So. Sorin is looking to fix the Eldrazi problem right? What if he is trying to revive Ugin to do so? Enlists Sarkhan (being like "one with dragons.") to help.
Or
What if he finds Karn, uses Karn's time manipulating abilities to travel back in time, to prevent Chandra from unleashing the Eldrazi. (It was Chandra right?)
(or, lo and behold they fail at this and Chandra, Jace, Sarkhan, or Sorin are killed. (Mentioning Jace because didn't Chandra and Jace have a brief battle with Sarkhan?)) in the past though...so...wait...if they go back in time and kill someone important...won't it muff up the past like 3 sets?...cuz if Jace were to die back then. Wouldn't he never be able
To become the Guildpact, so Ravnica would fall apart. And......and what happens when we get back to Phyrexia and Yawgmoth's shenanigans get in the way of Bolas?...would Bolas be killed or...what ._.
(Even though didn't he die once already then use leylines and a crapload of mana to revive himself?)
#timetravelproblems
My brain hurts ._.
Here's my theory.
In the Prince of Persia: Sands of Time trilogy, the Prince brings the Empress of Time, who embodies the Sands, from the past (long before he released them) to the present (where he had already released and resealed them). Doing this rewrote the past in a way where he COULDNT have released the Sands in the first place. The Empress never died, so the Sands were never released, they never entered the Hourglass, the Prince is never doomed to death.
Using this theory here, if Sarkhan and/or Sorin travel back through time to a point after the Eldrazi are sealed but before Nicol Bolas kills Ugin and bring Ugin forward to the present day, it'll rewrite the past where almost all events are unchanged, besides Ugin never being killed. This helps deal with the Eldrazi, and Nicol Bolas as well, seeing as he'd still be in a weakened state after being defeated by Ajani.
Love the Prince of Persia thought process.
Guys the wizards website actually says what the story is. Sarkhan (and probably Sorin) travel back in time and save ugin.
Karn can Time Travel. He's a fan favorite and hasn't been heard from in a longer amount of time then Sorin. :P
Small set though, usually only 1 planeswalker. So its either Ugin or Karn.
It would be Ugin. I believe Sarkhan somehow uses Ugin's nexus (his remains) to do his time traveling. Also theres some sweet art of ugin.
Since this is baseless speculation, I'm going to boldy predict that Ugin will be the first planeswalker with a static ability.
I know the new Commander planeswalkers have static abilities, but that doesn't count. I believe Ugin will have Flying.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 04, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
Since this is baseless speculation, I'm going to boldy predict that Ugin will be the first planeswalker with a static ability.
I know the new Commander planeswalkers have static abilities, but that doesn't count. I believe Ugin will have Flying.
So... Only flying and reach creatures can attack him? I think that Flying wouldn't do for just that. Flying is defined as it can only be blocked by creatures with flying or reach. Attacked that's something cool though.
Cannot be attacked by creatures without flying or reach? That could work. Flying is a creature ability anyway, wouldn't work on planeswalkers to begin with I guess. So yeah, Ugin cannot be attacked by creatures without flying or reach. :)
Here's what I think.
Jace, Chandra and Sarkahn all battled in {Eye of Ugin}. Chandra used {Ghostfire}, unlocking the Eldrazi sealed by Sorin, Ugin and somebody else. The requirement for unlocking was three Planeswalkers and Ghostfire.
Sorin is looking for Ugin. Ugin is dead.
Sarkahn is mad. {Ugin's Nexus} references what sounds like him becoming not insane.
These all sound like things happening in the present. If we go back in time Sarkahn isn't mad and Ugin isn't dead.
Nissa is looking for people to help fight Eldrazi. (Also sounds like she unleashed them somehow. Read her insert in the M15 fat pack)
I think what we're boiling down to is a return to Zendikar, if Sorin rewrites the past that won't happen.
This set is called fate reforged.
I'm guessing Kahns sets us up for Sorin to save Ugin. In fate reforged he does. Then the next set prepares us for Zendikar and the Eldrazi.
HOWEVER, I could be wrong. If they need {Ghostfire} Sorin could enlist Chandra. I'd much rather have an Ugin printed so I'm hoping for Sorin to save Ugin.
If Sorin saves Ugin * I'm betting Sorin, Ugin and Nissa attempt to reseal the Eldrazi.
GUESS WHAT? I wrote that this morning up to the * (before I went to my grandparents) and now I read the rest of the thread. My prediction was nearly spot on. T_T
Quote from: Noblellama on September 04, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on September 04, 2014, 07:04:26 PM
Guys the wizards website actually says what the story is. Sarkhan (and probably Sorin) travel back in time and save ugin.
Link?
Yessssss?
Would Sorin Ugin and Sarkhan work to defeat the Eldrazi?
Quote from: Destore117 on September 04, 2014, 09:50:42 PM
Would Sorin Ugin and Sarkhan work to defeat the Eldrazi?
I'm betting Nissa will jump on that train. Chandra too maybe.
Would it be big if Nissa died?
I want her to die...
Sorin, Ugin, Nissa, Gideon, Jace, and Kiora all want to stop the Eldrazi.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Sorin, Ugin, Nissa, Gideon, Jace, and Kiora all want to stop the Eldrazi.
It was also Chandra's plane.
And Bolas appears
Does Jace really want to stop the Eldrazi though? I don't think he cares. Either way, the more I think about it the 3rd set might be that Return to Zendikar. Starts the new two-block paradigm off right. We don't have to return to Zendikar for an entire block anymore, The draft format will be:
Khans, Khans, Khans
Khans, Khans, Fate Reforged
Fate Reforged, Return to Zendikar, Return to Zendikar
We get the enemy fetchlands again, we get new Eldrazi, we see who the LIthomancer is. It's a win-win. We also don't have an awkward 3rd set. Khans is a Wedge "set", not a block. So all Fate Reforged has to do is care about things Khans and a Return to Zendikar care about: Colorless or mono-colored things.
Quote from: Noblellama on September 04, 2014, 10:20:54 PM
Let's twist it all around and kill Chandra...
And she can rise from the ashes like a Phoenix.
Then Karn comes in to save everything and be awesome, but has accidentally taken phyrexian oil with him that had gotten stuck! :O
Chandra will burn away all the oil with a powerful spell, so powerful, it used all of her strength and essence to pull it off. She dies a heroic death, and Karn is put in the corner with a dunce cap on.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 04, 2014, 11:16:46 PM
Then Karn comes in to save everything and be awesome, but has accidentally taken phyrexian oil with him that had gotten stuck! :O
Chandra will burn away all the oil with a powerful spell, so powerful, it used all of her strength and essence to pull it off. She dies a heroic death, and Karn is put in the corner with a dunce cap on.
And then Chandra rises from the ashes like a Phoenix.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on September 04, 2014, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 04, 2014, 11:16:46 PM
Then Karn comes in to save everything and be awesome, but has accidentally taken phyrexian oil with him that had gotten stuck! :O
Chandra will burn away all the oil with a powerful spell, so powerful, it used all of her strength and essence to pull it off. She dies a heroic death, and Karn is put in the corner with a dunce cap on.
And then Chandra rises from the ashes like a Phoenix.
Only after Tamiyo comes in to make extensive moon charts. So it will take about 3 years.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 04, 2014, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on September 04, 2014, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 04, 2014, 11:16:46 PM
Then Karn comes in to save everything and be awesome, but has accidentally taken phyrexian oil with him that had gotten stuck! :O
Chandra will burn away all the oil with a powerful spell, so powerful, it used all of her strength and essence to pull it off. She dies a heroic death, and Karn is put in the corner with a dunce cap on.
And then Chandra rises from the ashes like a Phoenix.
Only after Tamiyo comes in to make extensive moon charts. So it will take about 3 years.
And then Chandra and Urza fight Nicol Bolas and Bolasrenxia. And the Eldrazi all become Planeswalkers in the new colour pink.
Guys. Staaaahp.
...what the heck did I just read?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on September 04, 2014, 11:22:40 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 04, 2014, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on September 04, 2014, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 04, 2014, 11:16:46 PM
Then Karn comes in to save everything and be awesome, but has accidentally taken phyrexian oil with him that had gotten stuck! :O
Chandra will burn away all the oil with a powerful spell, so powerful, it used all of her strength and essence to pull it off. She dies a heroic death, and Karn is put in the corner with a dunce cap on.
And then Chandra rises from the ashes like a Phoenix.
Only after Tamiyo comes in to make extensive moon charts. So it will take about 3 years.
And then Chandra and Urza fight Nicol Bolas and Bolasrenxia. And the Eldrazi all become Planeswalkers in the new colour pink.
Pink is a color already used. Look at {Water Gun Balloon Game}
As well as Brown, Hazel, Gray, etc. with {Avatar of Me}
I'm not sure what the link is llama but i have a picture of it. How do i post it?
It also explains it on the Fate Reforged part os mythicspoiler.com
I'm thinking there'll be a mechanic based around when a creature is tapped to attack or something.
New theory! Sarkhan Vol absorbs Ugin's soul, becoming instrumental in the conflict against the Eldrazi and Nicol Bolas.
So any news at all?
Quote from: Destore117 on September 29, 2014, 04:12:42 PM
So any news at all?
Other than you bumping this thread and making everyone think there is news? No there is not.
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 29, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on September 29, 2014, 04:12:42 PM
So any news at all?
Other than you bumping this thread and making everyone think there is news? No there is not.
Little bit rude...but sorry >~<
Actually there was some news. They alluded to the name of the "lithomancer" from zendikar in the last uncharted realms. If I read it right, the planeswalker named Nahri is the one responsible for both On nixilis and chaining the hedrons to zendikar
Quote from: Destore117 on September 29, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 29, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on September 29, 2014, 04:12:42 PM
So any news at all?
Other than you bumping this thread and making everyone think there is news? No there is not.
Little bit rude...but sorry >~<
Sorry I did not mean it to be rude. I thought I added the 😜 face
{Dashed Hopes} reprint. Here. (http://i.imgur.com/n0s8Tmm.jpg)
Quote from: Dudecore on September 29, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
{Dashed Hopes} reprint. Here. (http://i.imgur.com/n0s8Tmm.jpg)
Gotta love his subtlety!!
I'm hoping for some kind of "spells have Delve"
I just want a counterspell with Delve... {Logic Knot} was cut from Khans because it was too good, but they could give us something like {4}{U}{U}: Counter target spell.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 03, 2014, 06:58:06 AM
I just want a counterspell with Delve... {Logic Knot} was cut from Khans because it was too good, but they could give us something like {4}{U}{U}: Counter target spell.
How come I haven't heard much of this card til now? It seems pretty awesome. Does it just pale in comparison to all the counters already out there?
He wants a card like this but tbh 4UU is somewhat broken ... Think modern here ... t1 Fetch into serum visions t2 fetch into git probe t3 {Counterspell}
Quote from: Tabooist on October 03, 2014, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 03, 2014, 06:58:06 AM
I just want a counterspell with Delve... {Logic Knot} was cut from Khans because it was too good, but they could give us something like {4}{U}{U}: Counter target spell.
How come I haven't heard much of this card til now? It seems pretty awesome. Does it just pale in comparison to all the counters already out there?
Kind of, legacy, EDH and what-not have {Counterspell}; modern has {Mana Leak}, {Remand} but {Logic Knot} sees some play.
{Tarmogoyf} does not approve
Them calling it a tarmogoyf-Esque card...
Play it against a goyf deck!
Just posting to get alerts... As you were.
Remember guys, ktk is a wedge set and not a wedge block. Its very likely that the clan colors and mechanics will not be represented in fate reforged
I picture a {Dragon Broodmother} reprint
{Altar of the Brood}
(Although maybe not cuz idk if Devour will be a thing again. Not sure if it was popular.)
Quote from: Destore117 on October 09, 2014, 11:15:13 PM
I picture a {Dragon Broodmother} reprint
{Altar of the Brood}
(Although maybe not cuz idk if Devour will be a thing again. Not sure if it was popular.)
Alter of the brood is referencing snakes not dragons
Quote from: Munchlax on October 10, 2014, 08:32:39 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on October 09, 2014, 11:15:13 PM
I picture a {Dragon Broodmother} reprint
{Altar of the Brood}
(Although maybe not cuz idk if Devour will be a thing again. Not sure if it was popular.)
Alter of the brood is referencing snakes not dragons
Yea since it's the Sultai Brood
Oh yeah...
Well.
This is a fine pickle.
Crux of Fate (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ZW3h6CcAIFpxC.jpg)
Yesova Dragonclaw (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ZXKxKCAAA0Det.jpg)
Quote from: Dudecore on November 01, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
Crux of Fate (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ZW3h6CcAIFpxC.jpg)
Yesova Dragonclaw (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ZXKxKCAAA0Det.jpg)
Oh snap!!! Hybrid mana!!!
And referencing the battle between Nicol Bolas and Ugin? Lord Bolas must appear in this block!!!
There does appear to be a Bolas vs. Ugin thing going on.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ZX7SsCAAA2SgL.jpg)
Picture of Ugin and some Prerelease info.
Rumor on mtgsalvation is that they found a way to make a land similar to Barry's Land...
Oh cool! MaRo would be stoked!
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 01, 2014, 10:43:46 PM
Rumor on mtgsalvation is that they found a way to make a land similar to Barry's Land...
what is barry's land?
Quote from: particle on November 01, 2014, 11:06:28 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 01, 2014, 10:43:46 PM
Rumor on mtgsalvation is that they found a way to make a land similar to Barry's Land...
what is barry's land?
Barry's Land was a proposed sixth land type that was going to be introduced into... Onslaught block, I think? It was a Basic Land- Cave that was "{T}: add {1} to your mana pool." But it was scrapped as it broke many cards in half. There was also something to do with {Reliquary Tower} but I can't remember what, I was young and probably drunk at the time.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 01, 2014, 11:37:08 PM
Reliquart tower's artwork was on the original "cave" and it eventually became known as reliquary tower are R and D determined a colorless land was too intense.
Barrys land was essentially a nonbasic land that can be considered a basic land...a 6th card for the Domain effect. A non basic with the {relentless rat} ability allowing it to be a basic land and in unlimited quantities.
weird. thanks for the info guys.
There's some speculation that we could see the Filter lands in Fate Reforged and/or Dragons of Tarkir because Hybrid is in Fate Reforged. I would love to see it, they need a reprint.
Which ones are filter lands
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 02, 2014, 01:32:55 PM
There's some speculation that we could see the Filter lands in Fate Reforged and/or Dragons of Tarkir because Hybrid is in Fate Reforged. I would love to see it, they need a reprint.
OMG PLEEEEEZZZEEEEE
I need {Mystic Gates}!!!
Quote from: Destore117 on November 02, 2014, 03:07:47 PM
Which ones are filter lands
{Mystic Gate}, {Fetid Heath}, {Rugged Prairie}, etc.
OMG {CASCADE BLUFFS} PLEASE
Tbh though as much as I want them I highly highly highly doubt we get them in FR are we even confirmed rare lands?
Fate Reforged is a small set. The rage would be undying if 10 Rares were lands. It might make Khans, Khans, Fate Reforged draft into weirdness.
Quote from: Dudecore on November 02, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
Fate Reforged is a small set. The rage would be undying if 10 Rares were lands. It might make Khans, Khans, Fate Reforged draft into weirdness.
Yeah agreed, I think it's more likely in the larger set or next block. Filters really need reprints
Or they surprise us with zen fetches finishing out the set
They better reprint the rest of them.
Given that the standard environment is pretty well balanced on land at the moment I doubt they'll be reprint Zen Fetches any time before M15 rotates out.
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 02, 2014, 06:03:50 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 02, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
Fate Reforged is a small set. The rage would be undying if 10 Rares were lands. It might make Khans, Khans, Fate Reforged draft into weirdness.
Yeah agreed, I think it's more likely in the larger set or next block. Filters really need reprints
I actually think they'll get reprinted in this set. It's half as much space as a cycle of filter lands, plus, when the weird rotation happens later because of the new block structure, all the fetches will rotate at the same time.
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 02, 2014, 11:38:03 PM
I actually think they'll get reprinted in this set. It's half as much space as a cycle of filter lands, plus, when the weird rotation happens later because of the new block structure, all the fetches will rotate at the same time.
Idk generally those high value cards are in big sets.
Does anyone have any other sources on the zen fetchland reprint? There's been lot of hype around this from players, but nothing really indicating a reprint for the enemy colors orther than people wanting to own them. The zena have dropped a lot just by the onslaught reprints, I know it sounds weird but im sure wizards considers dealers when they reprint cards. I know people have cited MaRo saying they weren't doing half cycles or something but I've never seen the actual quote.. Idk, would love to know more, as I don't know much :P
I'm still counting on filters before more fetches. I would like to see some new lands for EDH too, or the complete cycle of manlands.. Been waiting on those forever 😜
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 03, 2014, 12:16:32 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 02, 2014, 11:38:03 PM
I actually think they'll get reprinted in this set. It's half as much space as a cycle of filter lands, plus, when the weird rotation happens later because of the new block structure, all the fetches will rotate at the same time.
Idk generally those high value cards are in big sets.
Does anyone have any other sources on the zen fetchland reprint? There's been lot of hype around this from players, but nothing really indicating a reprint for the enemy colors orther than people wanting to own them. The zena have dropped a lot just by the onslaught reprints, I know it sounds weird but im sure wizards considers dealers when they reprint cards. I know people have cited MaRo saying they weren't doing half cycles or something but I've never seen the actual quote.. Idk, would love to know more, as I don't know much :P
I'm still counting on filters before more fetches. I would like to see some new lands for EDH too, or the complete cycle of manlands.. Been waiting on those forever 😜
Here is the actual quote,our hope moving forward with Standard is to make sure that players have the mana base to make their decks work, and part of that means that players in Block will also have adequate mana." But because standard and rotation are changing, it is really hard to predict how the reprints will work from now on.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-mana-2014-06-27
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 03, 2014, 06:54:04 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on November 03, 2014, 12:16:32 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 02, 2014, 11:38:03 PM
I actually think they'll get reprinted in this set. It's half as much space as a cycle of filter lands, plus, when the weird rotation happens later because of the new block structure, all the fetches will rotate at the same time.
Idk generally those high value cards are in big sets.
Does anyone have any other sources on the zen fetchland reprint? There's been lot of hype around this from players, but nothing really indicating a reprint for the enemy colors orther than people wanting to own them. The zena have dropped a lot just by the onslaught reprints, I know it sounds weird but im sure wizards considers dealers when they reprint cards. I know people have cited MaRo saying they weren't doing half cycles or something but I've never seen the actual quote.. Idk, would love to know more, as I don't know much :P
I'm still counting on filters before more fetches. I would like to see some new lands for EDH too, or the complete cycle of manlands.. Been waiting on those forever 😜
Here is the actual quote,our hope moving forward with Standard is to make sure that players have the mana base to make their decks work, and part of that means that players in Block will also have adequate mana." But because standard and rotation are changing, it is really hard to predict how the reprints will work from now on.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-mana-2014-06-27
Ahh, thank you. So it wasn't MaRo, I don't play standard but I feel like their mana base is solid right now between fetches, pain, scry lands, and mana confluence. They have to at least wait until the other fetches rotate out before adding new ones. Like I said, wizards is very careful, they aren't going to cram whys considered some of the most powerful lands ever made in the same block, regardless of their price.
I see what they are saying about fixing, put pain lands are not as efficient as fetch. Black white we not have as easy as a time as blue black.
What about an {Ixidron} reprint?
Then drown in sorrow will be awesome
I really want {Voidslime}. I know it doesn't fit, but s man can dream lol
Quote from: DylanW18 on November 11, 2014, 03:50:13 AM
I really want {Voidslime}. I know it doesn't fit, but s man can dream lol
It does in Elspeth Vs Kiora! Fingers crossed!
That'd be interesting ^
Sarkhan goes back in time to stop Nicol Bolas from destroying the other Elder Dragons, an event that apparently made magic as we know it.
Everything is about to change.
"Introducing Mana Burn"
What about this?
Denial of All {4}{U}
Instant
Delve
Counter target spell
Replacement for force of will? Haha
Quote from: Jbarn117 on November 17, 2014, 02:14:42 PM
Sarkhan goes back in time to stop Nicol Bolas from destroying the other Elder Dragons, an event that apparently made magic as we know it.
Everything is about to change.
When was that announced? I thought he was just going back to save Ugin from being killed
That'd be unplayable. Almost the worst counterspell ever printed
Sounds like an un-card
Is Delve a full block mechanic? What other broken delve cards could be in the block?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 18, 2014, 08:29:50 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 18, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
Is Delve a full block mechanic? What other broken delve cards could be in the block?
a Delve version of {cultivate}
It may be too slow, but I like the thinking, we could get a lot of iconic cards/abilities with delve (like how {Treasure Cruise} is {Ancestral Recall}). For example:
{9}{U}: Delve, Take an extra turn
{X}{X}{R}: Delve, Deal x damage
{5}{G}: Delve, Search for two basics and put them on the field
{4}{W}{W}: Delve, Destroy all creatures
The best part is that they underestimated delve, so the power level could be quite high for some of the new cards.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 18, 2014, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 18, 2014, 08:29:50 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 18, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
Is Delve a full block mechanic? What other broken delve cards could be in the block?
a Delve version of {cultivate}
It may be too slow, but I like the thinking, we could get a lot of iconic cards/abilities with delve (like how {Treasure Cruise} is {Ancestral Recall}). For example:
{9}{U}: Delve, Take an extra turn
{X}{X}{R}: Delve, Deal x damage
{5}{G}: Delve, Search for two basics and put them on the field
{4}{W}{W}: Delve, Destroy all creatures
The best part is that they underestimated delve, so the power level could be quite high for some of the new cards.
i could see, (and hope) that that white delve card is actually a black delve card. i think that blue one is broken even at 9 {U} though. if its this easy to cruise for 1 it wouldnt be that hard to 'walk for one.
Quote from: particle on November 18, 2014, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 18, 2014, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 18, 2014, 08:29:50 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 18, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
Is Delve a full block mechanic? What other broken delve cards could be in the block?
a Delve version of {cultivate}
It may be too slow, but I like the thinking, we could get a lot of iconic cards/abilities with delve (like how {Treasure Cruise} is {Ancestral Recall}). For example:
{9}{U}: Delve, Take an extra turn
{X}{X}{R}: Delve, Deal x damage
{5}{G}: Delve, Search for two basics and put them on the field
{4}{W}{W}: Delve, Destroy all creatures
The best part is that they underestimated delve, so the power level could be quite high for some of the new cards.
i could see, (and hope) that that white delve card is actually a black delve card. i think that blue one is broken even at 9 {U} though. if its this easy to cruise for 1 it wouldnt be that hard to 'walk for one.
Yeah, but that's the point, WoTC underestimated Delve. {Treasure Cruise}, {Dig Through Time} and {Murderous Cut} are almost broken at their casting costs, so god knows what else they screwed up.
It's a mechanic for sultai so I highly doubt we see it in {R} {W} and tbh I don't think that we will see it in this set bc the wedges are almost done with
Need more sultai goodness :)
Both need more sacrifice spells at instant speed :P
I'm not saying there'll be dragons, but there'll be dragons.
Also, be awesome if there was a card like {Dragonform}
Enchantment that gives something flying and makes it a dragon
Cuz why not?
Quote from: Destore117 on November 18, 2014, 09:20:13 PM
I'm not saying there'll be dragons, but there'll be dragons.
Also, be awesome if there was a card like {Dragonform}
Enchantment that gives something flying and makes it a dragon
Cuz why not?
Sounds Jeskai. Could see it happening.
I think it could be easily confused with {Form of the Dragon}.
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/18a3320bdc5d92a412865e037cf7ac7f/tumblr_nfck5eHsc91tophcho1_250.jpg)
Not confirmed, spoiled on Redit, supposedly taken from an information cache on a WoTC computer.
I think it's fake, but....
Edit: about 99% sure its fake. The + should say, "Ugin, The Spirit Dragon deals..."
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
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Not confirmed, spoiled on Redit, supposedly taken from an information cache on a WoTC computer.
I think it's fake, but....
Regardless, I love the concept of that second ability. So flexible. Your {Savage Knuckleblade}? Nope, a 2/2 now. My {Ruthless Ripper}? A repeatable 2 life drain.
That's the most amazing ult I've ever seen lol
Need that ugin
So if he were 7cmc? How would be?
He feels way too straight forward. All of his abilities clearly relate to something that already exists or is happening in magic lore. There's no creativity to them. +3 {Ghostfire} -2 create morph creatures to equip your {Ghostfire Blade} to. Of course there are other, more strategic uses that will often times be the reason to use it, but it's obvious that you can do that and it feels pretty linear and boring. And the -15 is just another way of saying that you summon planeswalkers from out of thin air. Kinda like how it would appear to whoever is in the vicinity when Sarkhan and Sorin arrive in the past, that these two planewalkers just came out of nowhere. There's some kindergarten level creativity that I'm seeing displayed in this card. It was probably made by some fan who got stumped and decided to Frankenstein together ugins abilities from things we already know. Hopefully the real ugin has some more thought put into it.
Ugin
8 CMC
6
+1 Create a 2/3 artifact dragon token with Flying
+2 Each player may draw a card, if they do, that player chooses target opponent who must sacrifice a permanent, that permanent is exiled.
-4 Target player sacrifices 2 permanents, those permanents are then exiled.
-12 Return all permanents exiled to the battlefield under your control, these permanents have Hexproof and are indestructible.
You pay {R}{W}{G}{B}{U} and sacrifice a permanent as an alternative casting cost for Ugin. That permanent is then exiled.
Quote from: LordJanova on November 20, 2014, 02:24:30 PM
He feels way too straight forward. All of his abilities clearly relate to something that already exists or is happening in magic lore. There's no creativity to them. +3 {Ghostfire} -2 create morph creatures to equip your {Ghostfire Blade} to. Of course there are other, more strategic uses that will often times be the reason to use it, but it's obvious that you can do that and it feels pretty linear and boring. And the -15 is just another way of saying that you summon planeswalkers from out of thin air. Kinda like how it would appear to whoever is in the vicinity when Sarkhan and Sorin arrive in the past, that these two planewalkers just came out of nowhere. There's some kindergarten level creativity that I'm seeing displayed in this card. It was probably made by some fan who got stumped and decided to Frankenstein together ugins abilities from things we already know. Hopefully the real ugin has some more thought put into it.
In one of Maro's drive to works he talks about morph being really important in the block.. So I see ability 2 as legit. The ultimate is interesting. Yes Taysby you need to have The PWs in sideboard for tournament play, but casual is in your collection. But look at the other colorless planeswalker {Karn Liberated}.. His ultimate was like wtf. Maybe all colorless PW get wtf ultimates
Yeah he needs a WTF ultimate
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 20, 2014, 02:07:21 PM
So if he were 7cmc? How would be?
That wouldbe reasonable, but still wouldn't play him.
You are on crack! He gets +3 for a free colorless {lightning bolt}. That is just insane!
Some problems with templating -
First ability should have the entire name 'Ugin, the Spirit Dragon'. While truncating the name is a common convention with Legendary creatures, planeswalkers almost always feature the full text. Just take a look at {Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker}.
The second ability should have a line that turns the permanent in to a creature, or at least a reminder that it would become a vanilla 2/2.
Overall, I'd probably be fine with it like this, even if the Ult is a little out of place. Using the second ability as incredibly versatile removal is something I'd be fine with in something like Kurkesh.
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 05:48:56 PM
For a whole 7 mana. he doesn't do enough for that mana in modern. Also, clashes with what tron tries to do. They don't want their permanents exiled. That's their worst nightmare.
You are stuck in the Tron box
Who .loving. called that .poo.!?!
{Timewalk} with Delve (all but) confirmed for Khans block
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/103160322993/what-are-the-chances-we-get-a-timewalk-like-spell-with
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Who .loving. called that .poo.!?!
{Timewalk} with Delve (all but) confirmed for Khans block
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/103160322993/what-are-the-chances-we-get-a-timewalk-like-spell-with
Now make it instant
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Who .loving. called that .poo.!?!
{Timewalk} with Delve (all but) confirmed for Khans block
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/103160322993/what-are-the-chances-we-get-a-timewalk-like-spell-with
"There's always a chance" isn't even close to a confirmation.
There's always a chance they'll ignore the Reserved list too. Good luck with that.
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
Then in the last set we get these.
Some name that sounds like jewelry 2
Artifact
Delve
tap: Add (insert color of your choice) to your mana pool
I'd totally rock those. In fact they'd be broken at {2} I think.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
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Not confirmed, spoiled on Redit, supposedly taken from an information cache on a WoTC computer.
I think it's fake, but....
Edit: about 99% sure its fake. The + should say, "Ugin, The Spirit Dragon deals..."
No way that's real. Virtually every commander deck ever would run that.
+3 {Lightning Bolt} is broken. I mean think about it, {Keranos, God of Storms}, in any deck? The {9} mana cost is a drawback, but still.
-2 Best removal ever? Basically? I mean you don't /have/ to flip a morph card with that wording. You could flip {Blightsteel Colossus}. However as previously mentioned it'd have reminder text that it becomes a 2/2 if it was legit.
-15 If that ult goes off, you win. I mean, {The Chain Veil} would finally be a worthwhile card. -15, grab whatever the heck you want, {Nissa, Worldwaker} and {Ral Zarek) and you win.
Between the flaws and the power level I'm not thinking this is legit.
A delve mox would be neat but yea it would have to cost 4-6 colorless to not be broken.......unless it comes into play tapped which is just awful
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 21, 2014, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
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Not confirmed, spoiled on Redit, supposedly taken from an information cache on a WoTC computer.
I think it's fake, but....
Edit: about 99% sure its fake. The + should say, "Ugin, The Spirit Dragon deals..."
No way that's real. Virtually every commander deck ever would run that.
+3 {Lightning Bolt} is broken. I mean think about it, {Keranos, God of Storms}, in any deck? The {9} mana cost is a drawback, but still.
-2 Best removal ever? Basically? I mean you don't /have/ to flip a morph card with that wording. You could flip {Blightsteel Colossus}. However as previously mentioned it'd have reminder text that it becomes a 2/2 if it was legit.
-15 If that ult goes off, you win. I mean, {The Chain Veil} would finally be a worthwhile card. -15, grab whatever the heck you want, {Nissa, Worldwaker} and {Ral Zarek) and you win.
Between the flaws and the power level I'm not thinking this is legit.
the -2 is not the "best removal ever." it still targets, so hexproof and shroud prevent it, and if they {doom blade} their own flipped 2/2 {blightsteel colossus}, itll now get shuffled back into library. instead if you had cast {path to exile}, (the actual best removal ever) or {swords to plowshares} {blightsteel colossus} would actually be gone. costs too much to be playable except in edh and i doubt its real.
if they cost 3 mana you could get 2 out on the second turn with {Commune with the Gods} on standard or on first turn on modern even if it costs 6 with {Tome Scour} (or 7 if you fetched a land)
Mythic cards don't need reminder text. Hell, I don't think Rares need reminder text. See: {Hooded Hydra}
That could be a legit card, but it costs so much...9 mana.
completely agree. however it does speed things greatly if you are able to produce 6 mana on turn 3, while still being able to produce 3 on turn 2 on standard.
one thing i found interesting in its favor of being real is the numbering at the bottom. its 003 which is very plausible since they count the card numbers starting with the colorless ones in alphabetical order. in this case there would be 2 other colorless ones before it (Ghost fire as one??) and also i found this tweet linking the art to the artist.
https://twitter.com/TheArtofMtG/status/530821208238227456?s=17
still it may be a very well thought out hoax lol
but even the way the card is written, they may be moving away from typing the whole name out and the whole ability out (like the hooded hydra example from Dudecore)
No they dont...its always WUBRG first.
Quote from: Dudecore on November 21, 2014, 01:46:04 PM
No they dont...its always WUBRG first.
I thought the same till i checked Eldrazi.
{Karn Liberated} was also No. 1 in New Phyrexia
Quote from: mickeven on November 21, 2014, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 21, 2014, 01:46:04 PM
No they dont...its always WUBRG first.
I thought the same till i checked Eldrazi
Well I've got egg on my face huh? Great point.
Quote from: griffin131 on November 20, 2014, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Who .loving. called that .poo.!?!
{Timewalk} with Delve (all but) confirmed for Khans block
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/103160322993/what-are-the-chances-we-get-a-timewalk-like-spell-with
"There's always a chance" isn't even close to a confirmation.
There's always a chance they'll ignore the Reserved list too. Good luck with that.
Those familiar with Mark Roeswater know that the trademark ": )" is essentially confirmation. He has spoiled RTR and a lot of other things with it
Quote from: particle on November 21, 2014, 08:54:46 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 21, 2014, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/18a3320bdc5d92a412865e037cf7ac7f/tumblr_nfck5eHsc91tophcho1_250.jpg)
Not confirmed, spoiled on Redit, supposedly taken from an information cache on a WoTC computer.
I think it's fake, but....
Edit: about 99% sure its fake. The + should say, "Ugin, The Spirit Dragon deals..."
No way that's real. Virtually every commander deck ever would run that.
+3 {Lightning Bolt} is broken. I mean think about it, {Keranos, God of Storms}, in any deck? The {9} mana cost is a drawback, but still.
-2 Best removal ever? Basically? I mean you don't /have/ to flip a morph card with that wording. You could flip {Blightsteel Colossus}. However as previously mentioned it'd have reminder text that it becomes a 2/2 if it was legit.
-15 If that ult goes off, you win. I mean, {The Chain Veil} would finally be a worthwhile card. -15, grab whatever the heck you want, {Nissa, Worldwaker} and {Ral Zarek) and you win.
Between the flaws and the power level I'm not thinking this is legit.
the -2 is not the "best removal ever." it still targets, so hexproof and shroud prevent it, and if they {doom blade} their own flipped 2/2 {blightsteel colossus}, itll now get shuffled back into library. instead if you had cast {path to exile}, (the actual best removal ever) or {swords to plowshares} {blightsteel colossus} would actually be gone. costs too much to be playable except in edh and i doubt its real.
It's still extremely solid. Turning an 11/11 infect indestructible trample into a 2/2 colorless vanilla is good. Besides the fact that if you nail the average creature it's not going to recover anytime soon.
There are decks in standard right now capable of {Villainous Wealth}ing for insane amounts I heard somebody cast one for 27. I know there's a reason nobody plays {Colossus of Akros} but my {Villianous Wealth} deck (casual, and using the inferior enchant land untap method) would be perfectly okay with running a nine mana planeswalker of that power level. I have relative ease casting {Garruk, Apex Predator} and {Colossus of Akros} with said deck. Would it be a super competitive oh my wow deck? No, but I don't think it'd be a laughing matter either.
Prolly scry that to the bottom first 5 turns
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 22, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
From what I've heard from many card appraisers about this planeswalker is that the colon next to the loyalty counters +3 and -2 is a few pixels/millimeter off from where it should be. Making many believe that it's a fake...
Yeah, there are lots of problems, it's about 99% confirmed to be a fake.
I'd be skeptical of calling it fake. Wizards has plenty of leaks over the past year. Like From the Vault: Annihilation, Duel Deck: Speed vs. Cunning and The Black Commander deck.
Quote from: Dudecore on November 22, 2014, 01:23:15 PM
I'd be skeptical of calling it fake. Wizards has plenty of leaks over the past year. Like From the Vault: Annihilation, Duel Deck: Speed vs. Cunning and The Black Commander deck.
The first ability should say, "Ugin, The Spirit Dragon...," and the colons are off center, its a very high probability of being fake.
Or much disappointment
But people find formatting "errors" constantly in leaked cards. Then they turn out being accurate. It may serve some greater purpose, or a change to how Planeswalkers can reference abilities.
I'm not saying it's 100% real, and criticism is valid - but almost every single time 4chan has spoiled a card ({Domri Rade}, {Anax and Cymede}, ect) it has turned out to be real.
Ugin is incredibly balanced and pretty flavorful for a fan made card. Giving all colors access to {Lightning Bolt}/{Ghostfire} and having a major ultimate makes him seem very powerful.
Again, all criticism has been valid, but we've all been burned so many times in the past due to spoilers that ended up being real is what gives me pause. The amount of From the Vault: Annihilation "fake" formatting errors that were 100% correct. Or the "Fake" Domri Rade's can only happen so many times.
If he is real. I'm going green Devo ramp into ugin and {Colossus of Akros} and sideboard only planeswalkers
Can I activate ajani before legend rule applies to PW?
The chain veil would skyrocket
Or splash blue for kiora and counters!
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 22, 2014, 04:32:07 PM
Can I activate ajani before legend rule applies to PW?
No, and it is technically the Planeswaljer Uniqueness rule.
I sincerely hope that is not him. /:
I was thinking his abilities would be a little different than lightning bolt and morph...
Phasing will be back with mana drain also
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 17, 2014, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on November 17, 2014, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on November 17, 2014, 03:52:38 PM
What about this?
Denial of All {4}{U}
Instant
Delve
Counter target spell
Replacement for force of will? Haha
Denial of All
Instant
{8}{U}{U}{U}{U}
Delve
Convoke
Counter target spell
Denial of All
Instant
{10}{U}{U}{U}{U}{U}
Delve
split second
Convoke
Counter target spell
Fixed
Wouldn't that just be {last word}?
How about a functional reprint of {Hellkite Charger}? Could anyone else see that coming?
Quote from: Munchlax on November 25, 2014, 07:12:47 AM
How about a functional reprint of {Hellkite Charger}? Could anyone else see that coming?
I have my doubts, we did just get {Scourge of the Throne} in conspiracy. But I looked at the sets, and we have 3 additional combat phase granting spells, pre-modern. Since Mirrodin, the only story blocks not to have access to an additional combat phase are; time spiral, scars of Mirrodin, Innistrad, Theros, and so far Khans of Tarkir. Time Spiral, Innistrad, and Theros, instead get cards thatgive an entire extra turn, respectively; {Temporal Extortion}, and {Walk the Eons}, {Temporal Mastery}, {Medomai the Ageless} and the {Sage of Hours}. {Ugin's Nexus} and the time travel theme, would leave me to believe that taking an extra turn is more likely than getting another combat phase.
Quote from: Pi on November 25, 2014, 07:47:37 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on November 25, 2014, 07:12:47 AM
How about a functional reprint of {Hellkite Charger}? Could anyone else see that coming?
I have my doubts, we did just get {Scourge of the Throne} in conspiracy. But I looked at the sets, and we have 3 additional combat phase granting spells, pre-modern. Since Mirrodin, the only story blocks not to have access to an additional combat phase are; time spiral, scars of Mirrodin, Innistrad, Theros, and so far Khans of Tarkir. Time Spiral, Innistrad, and Theros, instead get cards thatgive an entire extra turn, respectively; {Temporal Extortion}, and {Walk the Eons}, {Temporal Mastery}, {Medomai the Ageless} and the {Sage of Hours}. {Ugin's Nexus} and the time travel theme, would leave me to believe that taking an extra turn is more likely than getting another combat phase.
A new {Hellkite Charger} would be great, {Scourge of the Throne} was a piece of crap
Maybe {Spawn of Thraxes} will see its hey day
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/65/804/635543482711892246.png)
This is great, I'm running it in UW heroic and it destroy Abzan. Maybe this along with all of the other great W removal that has come out recently will make control good again.
Ya I'm seeing this in UW control, and Obvi UW Heroic. MAYBE Abzan Aggro MAYBE
Bye bye courser. I won't miss you at all.
I heard u like charms, so we gonna give u some charmz dog
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 16, 2014, 08:53:15 PM
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This is great, I'm running it in UW heroic and it destroy Abzan. Maybe this along with all of the other great W removal that has come out recently will make control good again.
Woot woot UW control
*sighs* I want UB control to be a thing.
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 17, 2014, 11:37:19 AM
*sighs* I want UB control to be a thing.
It's getting a wrath so it will be a thing
Beautifully said^^
New card and mechanic!
Quote from: particle on December 18, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
New card and mechanic!
bolster sounds like Abzan is going to get broken in limited.
Quote from: Cender on December 18, 2014, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: particle on December 18, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
New card and mechanic!
bolster sounds like Abzan is going to get broken in limited.
As if it wasn't over drafted already.
Although you are making your worst creature better, even if it's something you don't care about like {highland game}.
Quote from: E.kann1 on December 18, 2014, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Cender on December 18, 2014, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: particle on December 18, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
New card and mechanic!
bolster sounds like Abzan is going to get broken in limited.
As if it wasn't over drafted already.
Although you are making your worst creature better, even if it's something you don't care about like {highland game}.
If you're not afraid of a 7/6 flying Elmer, you may not be human.
Still, 7 mana. The lower cost ones may be less exciting than 5 counters. Anyway...
Also, flying?
Quote from: E.kann1 on December 18, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
Still, 7 mana. The lower cost ones may be less exciting than 5 counters. Anyway...
Also, flying?
Yea this one won't give {highland game} flying. I want to see one with put x counters based on something
Quote from: E.kann1 on December 18, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
Still, 7 mana. The lower cost ones may be less exciting than 5 counters. Anyway...
Also, flying?
Think {Abzan Falconer}, {Highland Game} and any bolster.
Quote from: Cender on December 18, 2014, 08:55:46 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on December 18, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
Still, 7 mana. The lower cost ones may be less exciting than 5 counters. Anyway...
Also, flying?
Think {Abzan Falconer}, {Highland Game} and any bolster.
And yet the outlast lords will still not be playable!
With {Wingmate Roc} and {Siege Rhino}, the Outlast lords and Bolster, I can see Rabble finally getting pushed out of Standard.
Edit: {High Sentinels of Arashin}
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 18, 2014, 09:26:26 PM
With {Wingmate Roc} and {Siege Rhino}, the Outlast lords and Bolster, I can see Rabble finally getting pushed out of Standard.
Edit: {High Sentinels of Arashin}
Lol
Devour!!!
Be cool if something like dethrone hit standard to increase multiplayer shenanigans. Won't happen but it'd be interesting
Quote from: Destore117 on December 20, 2014, 06:23:40 PM
Be cool if something like dethrone hit standard to increase multiplayer shenanigans. Won't happen but it'd be interesting
I personally hope they never bring back dethrone, it's crap
It could have been good if they had replaced the word "player" with "opponent"
Quote from: MarduArrow on December 20, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
It could have been good if they had replaced the word "player" with "opponent"
Very much agreed
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 20, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: MarduArrow on December 20, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
It could have been good if they had replaced the word "player" with "opponent"
Very much agreed
Technically, since it is an ability word, it can have any rules text. It can be opponent of you really want it to.
Quote from: The1337Magician on December 21, 2014, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 20, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: MarduArrow on December 20, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
It could have been good if they had replaced the word "player" with "opponent"
Very much agreed
Technically, since it is an ability word, it can have any rules text. It can be opponent of you really want it to.
No. Because in this case it changes how the ability would function
Quote from: The1337Magician on December 21, 2014, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 20, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: MarduArrow on December 20, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
It could have been good if they had replaced the word "player" with "opponent"
Very much agreed
Technically, since it is an ability word, it can have any rules text. It can be opponent of you really want it to.
Yeah what do you mean it "can have any rules text?" Abilities do have defined rules text, even if they are not always spelled out.
Quote from MTG Salvation Wiki:
An ability words a word that, in essence, groups, and reminds players of, cards that have a common functionality and does not imply any particular rules.
So any ability in italics has no actual rules significance other than grouping common abilities.
Therefore they are free to change it.
Quote from: The1337Magician on December 21, 2014, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from MTG Salvation Wiki:
An ability words a word that, in essence, groups, and reminds players of, cards that have a common functionality and does not imply any particular rules.
So any ability in italics has no actual rules significance other than grouping common abilities.
Therefore they are free to change it.
Yes, but the point is WoTC has to change the ability word, we can't just declare it says opponent which is seems like you were implying: "Technically, since it is an ability word, it can have any rules text. It can be opponent of you really want it to."
When do the spoilers for this bad boy start? It's like, less than a month until it's released, yeah?
Quote from: NovusOrbis on December 23, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
When do the spoilers for this bad boy start? It's like, less than a month until it's released, yeah?
December 29th, Monday.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 23, 2014, 02:24:55 PM
.love. Christmas I want spoilers...
I can almost guarantee a spoiler on Christmas, last year spoiled Kiora, this year maybe Ugin?(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_w54r4t295i.png)
If that's ugin, I like it. He doesn't cost 7 though! GRRR!
I'd still play him over karn though.
Oooooohh ugin... I want 10
Oh my glob edh staple. Also: Nicol bolas ult I'm reverse 😜
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on December 25, 2014, 12:53:56 AM
Oh my glob edh staple. Also: Nicol bolas ult I'm reverse 😜
Exactly!! They really did a great job on him!!
Must... Get... For... Nekusar EDH... Another wincon... 😍😍
Oh, also on the Mothership: Fate Reforged has no basics, it will have either a tapland with new "timeshifted" art, or a fetchland (like DGM)
Gimme the enemy color fetches!!!
No basics?! Coooooool!
Quote from: TROLLED on December 25, 2014, 12:24:52 AM
If that's ugin, I like it. He doesn't cost 7 though! GRRR!
I'd still play him over karn though.
I was thinking couldn't he replace oblivion stone?
Holy .loving. .poo.. I need all the Ugins. So much EDH goodness!
Hmmm.... Comparing the arts, Bolas and Ugin look very similar. Could Ugin actually be an undisclosed Elder Dragon?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 25, 2014, 09:12:43 AM
Side note, Im collecting foils of the gainlands sooooo su per happy over that
Are gain lands specifically confirmed?
Quote from: rarehuntertay on December 25, 2014, 08:27:20 AM
Gimme the enemy color fetches!!!
My guess is they save them for return to zendikar but anything is possible
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 25, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on December 25, 2014, 08:27:20 AM
Gimme the enemy color fetches!!!
My guess is they save them for return to zendikar but anything is possible
That or Dragons of Tarkir. I don't think they would allow you to open a {Polluted Delta}, a {Scalding Tarn} and a foil {Scalding Tarn} in the same pack.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 25, 2014, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 25, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on December 25, 2014, 08:27:20 AM
Gimme the enemy color fetches!!!
My guess is they save them for return to zendikar but anything is possible
That or Dragons of Tarkir. I don't think they would allow you to open a {Polluted Delta}, a {Scalding Tarn} and a foil {Scalding Tarn} in the same pack.
How would that happen?
Rare slot
Land slot
Foil slot?
New spoiler Ugin, the Spirit Dragon mythic spoiler.com
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 25, 2014, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 25, 2014, 08:23:43 AM
Oh, also on the Mothership: Fate Reforged has no basics, it will have either a tapland with new "timeshifted" art, or a fetchland (like DGM)
Link?
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/fetching-look-fate-reforged-2014-12-24
Quote from: Forbidyourways on December 25, 2014, 02:39:42 PM
New spoiler Ugin, the Spirit Dragon mythic spoiler.com
Was spoiled xmas eve on the mothership
Ugin is...wow.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 25, 2014, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 25, 2014, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 25, 2014, 08:23:43 AM
Oh, also on the Mothership: Fate Reforged has no basics, it will have either a tapland with new "timeshifted" art, or a fetchland (like DGM)
Link?
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/fetching-look-fate-reforged-2014-12-24
The website says "may contain", so there could be basics still.
Quote from: Dmreiss on December 25, 2014, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 25, 2014, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 25, 2014, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 25, 2014, 08:23:43 AM
Oh, also on the Mothership: Fate Reforged has no basics, it will have either a tapland with new "timeshifted" art, or a fetchland (like DGM)
Link?
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/fetching-look-fate-reforged-2014-12-24
The website says "may contain", so there could be basics still.
I believe it says may contain because some other languages aren't going to have this due to the size of the print run.
Yeah, the Cliffside says: "Certain languages—Korean, Portuguese, Chinese (Traditional), and Russian—will also contain basic lands in this slot at a high frequency alongside nonbasic lands, as Fate Reforged basic lands will not otherwise be printed in those languages."
Then I noticed ugin says ALL permanents
Wtf
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 28, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
Then I noticed ugin says ALL permanents
Wtf
Yea he don't discriminate. He hates all colored folk.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 28, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
Then I noticed ugin says ALL permanents
Wtf
I just saw that, all X or less is going to see control win con.
Quote from: Crossed on December 28, 2014, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 28, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
Then I noticed ugin says ALL permanents
Wtf
I just saw that, all X or less is going to see control win con.
Or you just need permanents that are colorless or have higher cmc than whatever your minusing.
(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_bjph4xy49v.png)
Seems strong, maybe even standard playable.
(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_8l76ajvx6s.png)
Amazing card, not sure it is playable though.
Mechanics: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/mechanics-fate-reforged-2014-12-29
(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_6tys25wwyw.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_7etx813t13.png)
Idk about that card. You could end up throwing the one out you needed to draw onto the battlefield as a 2/2.
I don't like the manifest mechanic at all actually.
Yum!! Anyone up for some Zombie Fish?
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/fate-reforged/23934-gurmag-angler
And as for manifest, we are going to have to find a way to differentiate between cards cast as morph and as manifest to prevent cheating
Quote from: rarehuntertay on December 29, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
Yum!! Anyone up for some Zombie Fish?
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/fate-reforged/23934-gurmag-angler
And as for manifest, we are going to have to find a way to differentiate between cards cast as morph and as manifest to prevent cheating
Manifest token and morph token
Quote from: Noblellama on December 29, 2014, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 29, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
I don't like the manifest mechanic at all actually.
It's gonna be a problem now that non creatures can be morph pods...
For the record we saw this coming though
{Trail of Mystery}
Read that bottom part carefully...
Not necessarily, {lumithread field}
{trail of mystery} = super secret tech with manifest?
That dash reminds me of {rocket-powered turbo slug}
With that manifest mechanic do u guys see {hooded hydra} or {Kheru Spellsnatcher} Rising in price due to the wording
Quote from: Boomer17 on December 29, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
With that manifest mechanic do u guys see {hooded hydra} or {Kheru Spellsnatcher} Rising in price due to the wording
I don't know, but I am going to buy a set of all of the standard morph/face-down matters cards and hope it ends up playable
(http://i.imgur.com/kU6PXSb.png)
I could see this in edh, and something interesting that I noticed is the new symbol on the watermark, it's Mardu but different
Spoiled in Japanese:
Shaman's Revelation
3GG
Draw a card for each creature you control
Ferocious-Gain four life for each creature you control with power four or greater.
I might durdle around with a Bant Morph deck in standars
Quote from: MarduArrow on December 29, 2014, 12:44:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kU6PXSb.png)
I could see this in edh, and something interesting that I noticed is the new symbol on the watermark, it's Mardu but different
That's probably the watermark for the dragons
Quote from: Noblellama on December 29, 2014, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 29, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
I don't like the manifest mechanic at all actually.
It's gonna be a problem now that non creatures can be morph pods...
For the record we saw this coming though
{Trail of Mystery}
Read that bottom part carefully...
Reading the italic part on manifest. It looks like if it's anything but a creature it never morphs. Just a vanilla 2/2. trail of mystery will never hit it cause as of right now only creature cards can be turned face up
"Turn it face up at any time for its mana cost if its a creature"
Doesn't say that you can do anything if it's not a creature
Also I'd say make sure you keep those morph tokens. Now you have to determain what was cast as a morph and what wasn't. Otherwise players that have manifest could try to cheat and cast a morph and it not being morph creature
They are printing the manifest token in the new set as well
Quote from: bravado883 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.
Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost. {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit
This is looking like it's going to be a really sick set. I'm stoked.
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.
Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost. {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit
You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it
Anyone else like the card that can put an extra token of {Wingmate Roc} on the battlefield when attacking. Because one wasn't fun enough 😁
Not only that,would the raid trigger, giving you another bird?
Where is this at flicker?
Quote from: VQMracing on December 30, 2014, 02:05:12 AM
Where is this at flicker?
I think this is what he's referring to:
http://mythicspoiler.com/frf/cards/flamerushrider.html
And if you make a token copy of {wingmate roc}, he will check for raid and make a token if youve attacked.
Ahh ok. That seems fun
Quote from: Crossed on December 30, 2014, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.
Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost. {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit
You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it
So it will always be a 5/5 because it already entered the battlefield, correct? If that's the case there's some clear lack of synergy with the raid mechanic. I'd hate to manifest a {Wingmate Roc} and never get the extra token when it flips.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 29, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: Boomer17 on December 29, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
With that manifest mechanic do u guys see {hooded hydra} or {Kheru Spellsnatcher} Rising in price due to the wording
I don't know, but I am going to buy a set of all of the standard morph/face-down matters cards and hope it ends up playable
I was working on that with some morph cards myself. I'll put the project on hold: with this manifest I could improve it.
Quote from: Cender on December 30, 2014, 06:37:03 AM
Quote from: Crossed on December 30, 2014, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.
Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost. {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit
You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it
So it will always be a 5/5 because it already entered the battlefield, correct? If that's the case there's some clear lack of synergy with the raid mechanic. I'd hate to manifest a {Wingmate Roc} and never get the extra token when it flips.
If I read the article correctly the flipping functions like morph. Etb abilities don't trigger. Morph triggers like the Hydra do.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 30, 2014, 07:18:11 AM
Quote from: Cender on December 30, 2014, 06:37:03 AM
Quote from: Crossed on December 30, 2014, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.
Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost. {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit
You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it
So it will always be a 5/5 because it already entered the battlefield, correct? If that's the case there's some clear lack of synergy with the raid mechanic. I'd hate to manifest a {Wingmate Roc} and never get the extra token when it flips.
If I read the article correctly the flipping functions like morph. Etb abilities don't trigger. Morph triggers like the Hydra do.
I would say you are correct. Because he already entered the battlefield.
I'm too lazy to look but whoever said there was going to be a {8} {U}{U}{U} Delve Timewalk
You were right
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 30, 2014, 08:43:44 AM
I'm too lazy to look but whoever said there was going to be a {8} {U}{U}{U} Delve Timewalk
You were right
Soooooo broken!!!!
Whoa that's cool
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 30, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
That demon that forces opponents to sax down to 2 creatures at the end of turn... that's the card I'm investing in.
Definitely going in my {geth, lord of the vault} edh deck. I think {soulfire grand master} is also worth investing in, since its one of the best 2/2 for 2s ever. So glad he wasnt in standard while {boros charm} and {warleader's helix} were legal.
Soul fire Grandmaster = OP as .poo. lol buh bye seeker hello insane 2 drop
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 30, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
Soul fire Grandmaster = OP as .poo. lol buh bye seeker hello insane 2 drop
Think theyll play both.
Ugh, why did they make that extra turn card?
Quote from: NovusOrbis on December 30, 2014, 12:15:07 PM
Ugh, why did they make that extra turn card?
Maro had already said they would. They wanted to do {time walk} and {ancestral recall} as delve cards. Maybe well see other super broken delves.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 30, 2014, 08:43:44 AM
I'm too lazy to look but whoever said there was going to be a {8} {U}{U}{U} Delve Timewalk
You were right
That'd be me!!! It exiles itself, but it is still pretty incredible.
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 30, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
Soul fire Grandmaster = OP as .poo. lol buh bye seeker hello insane 2 drop
Yeah, Soulfire is crazy in standard right now, especially if we get like even one more playable burn spell. It could also be pretty incredible in Modern Burn decks if TC isn't banned.
Quote from: griffin131 on November 20, 2014, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Who .loving. called that .poo.!?!
{Timewalk} with Delve (all but) confirmed for Khans block
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/103160322993/what-are-the-chances-we-get-a-timewalk-like-spell-with
"There's always a chance" isn't even close to a confirmation.
There's always a chance they'll ignore the Reserved list too. Good luck with that.
Hmmmm....it seems someone was wrong on one front, here's hoping they are wrong on both!
Quote from: particle on December 30, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on December 30, 2014, 12:15:07 PM
Ugh, why did they make that extra turn card?
Maro had already said they would. They wanted to do {time walk} and {ancestral recall} as delve cards. Maybe well see other super broken delves.
maybe a Delve {Dark Ritual} that costs 5 and one black?
I'm just hoping for {Logic Knot}. I know it probably won't show, but I picked up a set of foils just in case.
An {Aphetto Runecaster} would go well with Manifest. hopefully something like that is printed or reprinted
Can someone explain how instants and sorceries can have lifelink. I get burn spells but what about:
{Unsummon}
{Dissolve}
{Feed the Clan}
{Dig through Time}
{Taigam's Scheming}
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
Can someone explain how instants and sorceries can have lifelink. I get burn spells but what about:
{Unsummon}
{Dissolve}
{Feed the Clan}
{Dig through Time}
{Taigam's Scheming}
since those dont deal damage you wont get any life
Quote from: mickeven on December 30, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
Can someone explain how instants and sorceries can have lifelink. I get burn spells but what about:
{Unsummon}
{Dissolve}
{Feed the Clan}
{Dig through Time}
{Taigam's Scheming}
since those dont deal damage you wont get any life
Okay, it seems like such a conditional card then
Please bring back unsummon
You can have your Board back to your hand
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: mickeven on December 30, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
Can someone explain how instants and sorceries can have lifelink. I get burn spells but what about:
{Unsummon}
{Dissolve}
{Feed the Clan}
{Dig through Time}
{Taigam's Scheming}
since those dont deal damage you wont get any life
Okay, it seems like such a conditional card then
It is like saying Stoneforge Mystic is a conditional card because you have to have an equipment in your deck, or Deathrite Shaman is conditional because you have to have cards in the graveyard
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: mickeven on December 30, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
Can someone explain how instants and sorceries can have lifelink. I get burn spells but what about:
{Unsummon}
{Dissolve}
{Feed the Clan}
{Dig through Time}
{Taigam's Scheming}
since those dont deal damage you wont get any life
Okay, it seems like such a conditional card then
It is like saying Stoneforge Mystic is a conditional card because you have to have an equipment in your deck, or Deathrite Shaman is conditional because you have to have cards in the graveyard
Well you do :p
But this guy is going to make Boros burn amazing in modern. Heck, if you could, splash blue for that extra turn card!
Quote from: Noblellama on December 30, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on December 30, 2014, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: mickeven on December 30, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on December 30, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
Can someone explain how instants and sorceries can have lifelink. I get burn spells but what about:
{Unsummon}
{Dissolve}
{Feed the Clan}
{Dig through Time}
{Taigam's Scheming}
since those dont deal damage you wont get any life
Okay, it seems like such a conditional card then
It is like saying Stoneforge Mystic is a conditional card because you have to have an equipment in your deck, or Deathrite Shaman is conditional because you have to have cards in the graveyard
Well you do :p
But this guy is going to make Boros burn amazing in modern. Heck, if you could, splash blue for that extra turn card!
Guys guys guys!!!!
Is that an elf deck???
I cast {Blasphemous Act}
Can I win now?
SO MUCH LIFE.
Here is a question...is the female in temporal trespass liliana? It kind of looks like her...is it possible that next set is about sarkhan going back in time and he changed the past and now all the pw are different colors? Lili is blue, garruk is white, ajani is black, jace is red and Chandra is green? Just a off the wall thought.
Quote from: Ace on December 30, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Here is a question...is the female in temporal trespass liliana? It kind of looks like her...is it possible that next set is about sarkhan going back in time and he changed the past and now all the pw are different colors? Lili is blue, garruk is white, ajani is black, jace is red and Chandra is green? Just a off the wall thought.
Someone asked MaRo, and he said it was a Doug question, but Doug hasn't gotten back. I think you are right though.
As for the time travel, it seems many of the modal cards say choose Khans or Dragons which is really cool flavorfully and represents Sarkhans actions altering the timeline from Khans of Tarkir to Dragons of Tarkir
Is it just me or does the new time walk delve thing look like it has Lilliana in the art
Pic reference {Liliana of the Veil}
Quote from: Ace on December 30, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Here is a question...is the female in temporal trespass liliana? It kind of looks like her...is it possible that next set is about sarkhan going back in time and he changed the past and now all the pw are different colors? Lili is blue, garruk is white, ajani is black, jace is red and Chandra is green? Just a off the wall thought.
This set is the back in time set!! Hence the dragon cards already spoiled. Dragons of tarkir is the next set where the dragons have survived. Hence the draft format. Kahns/ fate. Then fate/ dragons.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: Ace on December 30, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Here is a question...is the female in temporal trespass liliana? It kind of looks like her...is it possible that next set is about sarkhan going back in time and he changed the past and now all the pw are different colors? Lili is blue, garruk is white, ajani is black, jace is red and Chandra is green? Just a off the wall thought.
Someone asked MaRo, and he said it was a Doug question, but Doug hasn't gotten back. I think you are right though.
As for the time travel, it seems many of the modal cards say choose Khans or Dragons which is really cool flavorfully and represents Sarkhans actions altering the timeline from Khans of Tarkir to Dragons of Tarkir
Is that {treasure cruise} in the backround?
Quote from: Crossed on December 30, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: Ace on December 30, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Here is a question...is the female in temporal trespass liliana? It kind of looks like her...is it possible that next set is about sarkhan going back in time and he changed the past and now all the pw are different colors? Lili is blue, garruk is white, ajani is black, jace is red and Chandra is green? Just a off the wall thought.
Someone asked MaRo, and he said it was a Doug question, but Doug hasn't gotten back. I think you are right though.
As for the time travel, it seems many of the modal cards say choose Khans or Dragons which is really cool flavorfully and represents Sarkhans actions altering the timeline from Khans of Tarkir to Dragons of Tarkir
Is that {treasure cruise} in the backround?
I was thinking the same thing!
Quote from: Ace on December 30, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Here is a question...is the female in temporal trespass liliana? It kind of looks like her...is it possible that next set is about sarkhan going back in time and he changed the past and now all the pw are different colors? Lili is blue, garruk is white, ajani is black, jace is red and Chandra is green? Just a off the wall thought.
http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/106673646054/temporal-trespass-random-non-important-lady-or-a
It's not Liliana, just a random Sultai mage. I was sure you were right.
Thank goodness. I couldn't handle even more Jace cards, red or not. *Phew*
Delve {Timetwister} you think? It's only fitting!
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 31, 2014, 12:12:53 AM
Delve {Timetwister} you think? It's only fitting!
I don't think so. The idea of delve is to use your graveyard to fuel your spells. {Timetwister} would defeat that purpose....
With all of the tribal dragons, and still "Dragons of Tarkir" to go, I'd buy your {Scion of the Ur-Dragon}s now for EDH (I just did).
Quote from: Crossed on December 31, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 31, 2014, 12:12:53 AM
Delve {Timetwister} you think? It's only fitting!
I don't think so. The idea of delve is to use your graveyard to fuel your spells. {Timetwister} would defeat that purpose....
Just a thought if they reprinted 2 Power 9 cards
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 31, 2014, 12:56:27 PM
Quote from: Crossed on December 31, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 31, 2014, 12:12:53 AM
Delve {Timetwister} you think? It's only fitting!
I don't think so. The idea of delve is to use your graveyard to fuel your spells. {Timetwister} would defeat that purpose....
Just a thought if they reprinted 2 Power 9 cards
DELVE MOXEN AND LOTUS
They wouldn't go THAT far I don't think lol
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 31, 2014, 12:38:55 PM
With all of the tribal dragons, and still "Dragons of Tarkir" to go, I'd buy your {Scion of the Ur-Dragon}s now for EDH (I just did).
Foil or no go :P
Labradorite lotus
3 CMC
Delve 3
labradorite lotus comes into play tapped
Tap labradorite lotus : add one mana of any color to your mana pool
{1}, Sacrifice Labradorite lotus: add 3 mana to your mana pool of any one color
Flavor: "I've found it...finally! ....wait this is labradorite..."
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on December 31, 2014, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 31, 2014, 12:56:27 PM
Quote from: Crossed on December 31, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on December 31, 2014, 12:12:53 AM
Delve {Timetwister} you think? It's only fitting!
I don't think so. The idea of delve is to use your graveyard to fuel your spells. {Timetwister} would defeat that purpose....
Just a thought if they reprinted 2 Power 9 cards
DELVE MOXEN AND LOTUS
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 31, 2014, 12:38:55 PM
With all of the tribal dragons, and still "Dragons of Tarkir" to go, I'd buy your {Scion of the Ur-Dragon}s now for EDH (I just did).
Already bought two. One is in use
Quote from: bravado883 on December 31, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
I see burn playing Sage in the board against the mirror and maybe control--but it seems the lifelink is the most important part...do burn decks want a 2 CMC 2/2 instead of just more burn?
The returns to hand thing requires at least 5 mana to do anything (not including Phyrexian mana cards), and you have to activate the ability and it had to resolve since its trigger is on cast. And since it requires the spell to resolve it doesn't get around countermagic.
My gut reaction was whoa but I wonder if it's a little overhyped? I guess I'm thinking this could be more of a {Satyr Firedancer} sort of card.
The original spell does have to resolve, but that doesnt mean it cant get countered. As long as its not getting {dissipate}d it will still go to the yard upon resolution and can be returned.
So... Glass cannon burn?
Any translations for the other language cards?
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 31, 2014, 03:50:01 PM
So... Glass cannon burn?
Right? It seems like a really bad win-more card for burn.
So... Dragons are awesome. One sided board wipe if you suddenly decide to run Grixis Dragons with a lot of {dragon hatchling}s and that new BU dragon
So, translations on those dragon? Please?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on December 31, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
So, translations on those dragon? Please?
Www.mythicspoiler.com
{monastery mentor} seems cool. Patrick chapin is saying its vetter then young pyro would be in standard. Not sure but he def seems good. Jeskai tokens getting all the love.
Guys look, it is Young Pyromancer's dad:
(http://static.starcitygames.com/www/images/article/MonasteryMentor.png)
This thing could easily see Modern or Legacy play, I can definitely see Jeskai Delver being a HUGE force in modern if TC isn't banned.
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/f68781aee53f6e4f3244eaf08eea1d8f/tumblr_nhhhilhuEF1seof36o1_400.jpg)
GUYS! THE BLUE ONE ISN'T THE MOST BROKEN FOR ONCE!
Bolster seems fun. Especially with that dragon's whenever attack bolster 2 trigger
So we have a better {mist hollow griffin} . I wonder how Maro let that happen
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on January 01, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
So we have a better {mist hollow griffin} . I wonder how Maro let that happen
It isn't really because it doesn't combo off with {Food Chain}
Quote from: bravado883 on January 01, 2015, 12:34:33 PM
So...I'm sort of freaking out at the synergy between {Monastery Siege} and {Palace Siege} as a possibility for a control deck. They're not legendary, so beyond {Back to Nature} you can make it sooo expensive to remove {Palace Siege} that you can just counter anything else, and if you resolve multiple {Palace Siege}s you pretty much win. With a little help, they're also sweet with {Doomwake Giant}, who is only made better by the new {U}{B} dragon. Usually small sets just add to my existing decks, but this one has me feeling brewtastic.
My bug walkers deck likes the idea of heroes downfall costing 5 mana
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
I like this^^
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Well shoot dang. I don't really keep up with spoilers outside of mythicspoiler.
I thought it would be cool :)
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Well shoot dang. I don't really keep up with spoilers outside of mythicspoiler.
I thought it would be cool :)
It would just not what we are getting.
On another note: how do you know when a land is bad? When the deck it was obviously made for doesn't want it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6SnWJOCQAAroPt.jpg)
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Well shoot dang. I don't really keep up with spoilers outside of mythicspoiler.
I thought it would be cool :)
It would just not what we are getting.
On another note: how do you know when a land is bad? When the deck it was obviously made for doesn't want it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6SnWJOCQAAroPt.jpg)
Also, when the deck it was made for doesn't exist... Lol
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Link?
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 01, 2015, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Link?
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/8b5cc0b709d59ede73566fff062a6280/tumblr_nhhdceHW2A1qia2dho1_500.jpg)
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 01, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Also, when the deck it was made for doesn't exist... Lol
I was referring to {Scion of the Ur-Dragon} EDH, and dragon tribal decks in general, which do exist, but that land is simply god awful. It requires 3 lands and 2 turns to make one mana of any color that can only be used on dragons.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 01, 2015, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Link?
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/8b5cc0b709d59ede73566fff062a6280/tumblr_nhhdceHW2A1qia2dho1_500.jpg)
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 01, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Also, when the deck it was made for doesn't exist... Lol
I was referring to {Scion of the Ur-Dragon} EDH, and dragon tribal decks in general, which do exist, but that land is simply god awful. It requires 3 lands and 2 turns to make one mana of any color that can only be used on dragons.
Thanks! Now I have to choose between temur and mardu for my second prerelease. Decisions decisions.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
I don't think the clans will necessarily die off. Remnants may still fight the dragons in DTK.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 01, 2015, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Link?
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/8b5cc0b709d59ede73566fff062a6280/tumblr_nhhdceHW2A1qia2dho1_500.jpg)
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 01, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Also, when the deck it was made for doesn't exist... Lol
I was referring to {Scion of the Ur-Dragon} EDH, and dragon tribal decks in general, which do exist, but that land is simply god awful. It requires 3 lands and 2 turns to make one mana of any color that can only be used on dragons.
Touché. They should've just made a cavern of souls for dragons only
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 01, 2015, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 01, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Also, when the deck it was made for doesn't exist... Lol
I was referring to {Scion of the Ur-Dragon} EDH, and dragon tribal decks in general, which do exist, but that land is simply god awful. It requires 3 lands and 2 turns to make one mana of any color that can only be used on dragons.
Touché. They should've just made a cavern of souls for dragons only
This is what I was saying, they could have made a {Sliver Hive} type card, or anything playable. This almost seems aggressively bad, like someone in R&D REALLY hates dragons, lol
Quote from: Brawler_1337 on January 01, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
I don't think the clans will necessarily die off. Remnants may still fight the dragons in DTK.
You have to realize that we are talking about a completely different timeline, so it is unclear how Dragons of Tarkir plays out, but it is obvious that the story has been set up so that Dragons vs. Khans is the conflict, and it seems silly to say in the end, "well, I guess the fighting didn't matter, so you sat through the story for nothing...."
What I can't wait to see is the YouTube video for this set!
Dragon land is awful
Monastery siege is beautiful
Glad I don't play jeskai anymore as that stuff is expensive and hyped right now
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on January 01, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
So we have a better {mist hollow griffin} . I wonder how Maro let that happen
It isn't really because it doesn't combo off with {Food Chain}
Sure it does, food chain says any colour, so you choose green or black
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 01, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
So it seems like each clan is getting a legendary creature and the allied colors are getting dragons. You know what would be cool? If wizards made the pre-release so you could choose Khans or Dragons. Like, if you went Temur and Khans, you'd get Yasova Dragonclaw, or if you picked Rakdos and Dragons, you'd get Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.
The prerelease boxes are spoiled. They aren't doing Khans vs, Dragons because we all know who wins: Dragons of Tarkir
Well shoot dang. I don't really keep up with spoilers outside of mythicspoiler.
I thought it would be cool :)
It would just not what we are getting.
On another note: how do you know when a land is bad? When the deck it was obviously made for doesn't want it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6SnWJOCQAAroPt.jpg)
At least the art is cool.
Falls under sorting category of: art and name do better justice than card itself
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 01, 2015, 10:29:35 PM
I see that cruicible as a $1 rare, but wit a few big foil price... it is another colorless land for colorless edh aND they love that .poo.
It does not do anything special for "colorless EDH"
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 01, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
It's another land though... can't they benefit from another land?
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh just go green artifacts
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 01, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
It's another land though... can't they benefit from another land?
My point it that it does nothing more than a basic land of you at not casting dragons
Quote from: cltrn81 on January 01, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 01, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
It's another land though... can't they benefit from another land?
My point it that it does nothing more than a basic land of you at not casting dragons
I think Glows's point is that Colorless EDH decks can't run basics.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on January 01, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 01, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
It's another land though... can't they benefit from another land?
My point it that it does nothing more than a basic land of you at not casting dragons
I think Glows's point is that Colorless EDH decks can't run basics.
Ok that makes sense. I thought there was some advantage I was missing or something
That's why you just go as {Azusa, Lost but Seeking} and ramp to Ulamog
So....run a land for hellkite only....
Just run a color and simplify your life
Not being snide, were all just confirming this card is awful. I understand you're saying colorless EDH has another land, but its just a bad card and that's that.
Yeah maybe if it was
Tap for colorless
Tap; add a counter on crucible
Tap: add mana of any color equal to counters on crucible. This may only be spent on dragon .poo..
Then it would be worth the rare slot. Right now it's simply a card that should be uncommon or sent back to R&D
It's a Storage Land for Dragon Tribal. Everyone always complains about 'wasted slots', when most cards at rare or mythic are garbage for constructed, anyways. Ugin's Crucible is pretty darn sweet, especially from the point of view of a guy that loves big, stompy Dragons. The most awkward part of the card is, unlike the TSP storage lands, this one has to Tap to remove counters, where the old ones required just a mana input, allowing some silly filtering shenanigans.
Quote from: MarduArrow on January 01, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on January 01, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
So we have a better {mist hollow griffin} . I wonder how Maro let that happen
It isn't really because it doesn't combo off with {Food Chain}
Sure it does, food chain says any colour, so you choose green or black
No, the problem is that the mana can only be used on on creature spells, not abilities of creatures
Quote from: VQMracing on January 02, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: MarduArrow on January 01, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on January 01, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
So we have a better {mist hollow griffin} . I wonder how Maro let that happen
It isn't really because it doesn't combo off with {Food Chain}
Sure it does, food chain says any colour, so you choose green or black
No, the problem is that the mana can only be used on on creature spells, not abilities of creatures
Ah, didn't read that part
Quote from: MarduArrow on January 02, 2015, 04:43:50 AM
Quote from: VQMracing on January 02, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: MarduArrow on January 01, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 01, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on January 01, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
So we have a better {mist hollow griffin} . I wonder how Maro let that happen
It isn't really because it doesn't combo off with {Food Chain}
Sure it does, food chain says any colour, so you choose green or black
No, the problem is that the mana can only be used on on creature spells, not abilities of creatures
Ah, didn't read that part
This just goes to show that you will be a lot better at the game if you read the cards.
Edit: Sorry if that sounded condescending. I did not mean it that way.
Monastery Mentor .... yes please
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 02, 2015, 06:05:07 PM
Guys black white token will be a thing in standard now. I'm calling it. Those thing that's give the boosts to warriors are gonna be gooooood
{Sorin, Solemn Visitor} anyone?
Dash and warrior buffs seem very powerful. At least. Maybe?
I can't wait for this set. SO EXCITED! I really like Mardu Strike Leader and Brutal Hordechief.
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 02, 2015, 11:15:12 PM
I can't wait for this set. SO EXCITED! I really like Mardu Strike Leader and Brutal Hordechief.
{master warcraft} on a stick. Ill take it.
Mardu's making a strong push back!
Quote from: Spikepit on January 03, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Mardu's making a strong push back!
The best part is the dual mana in the new khans make it so you do not need to run all 3 colors. I think boros tokens will be a thing.
Some of the awesome tokens cards are black though, I think. (I know they're black, the question is if they're standard playable.)
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 03, 2015, 10:24:02 AM
Some of the awesome tokens cards are black though, I think. (I know they're black, the question is if they're standard playable.)
Yea someone already mentioned black white tokens. I think a combination of any of the mardu colors paired, or all three together, make for some interesting token decks.
Drown in sorrow may be mainboarded for fate reforged.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 03, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
Drown in sorrow may be mainboarded for fate reforged.
This. It seems decks are going to start going wide, so {Anger of the Gods} and {Drown in Sorrow} may be everyone's new best friend.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 03, 2015, 03:08:15 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 03, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
Drown in sorrow may be mainboarded for fate reforged.
This. It seems decks are going to start going wide, so {Anger of the Gods} and {Drown in Sorrow} may be everyone's new best friend.
Gah! I tend to be the tokens player, and those are two of my least favorite standard cards...
Plus it has 2 defense...
I want
However, you can't go on the Elvish Mystic beat down plan with it.
It is mid game ramp at its best. It's cool but prolly won't replace carytid until it rotates
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 05, 2015, 01:29:35 PM
Wait.. I think your math is a little messed up. There isn't 10 mana available.
2+4+3+1=10
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 05, 2015, 02:10:45 PM
I am literally playing this out in front of meand I only see 7 mana. There are 5 forests, one llanowar elf, and one that taps for 2. That products es 7 mana total.
Convoke on chord makes a mana from the bear.
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
T1 forest mystic
T2 forest mystic guy
T3 forest alpine griz guy
T4 forest {Chord of Calling} into {Hornet Queen}
T5 end hostilities :P
I feel like sultai WHIP got love but sultai control barely got any. Don't say we got time warp, because that .poo. is janky in constructed standard l
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 05, 2015, 03:58:13 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
T1 forest mystic
T2 forest mystic guy
T3 forest alpine griz guy
T4 forest {Chord of Calling} into {Hornet Queen}
T5 end hostilities :P
Why do that when you can {anger of the gods} T3 :P
Strictly better {shock} is sweet.
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 04:50:53 PM
Land or Walker killer...
(http://i.imgur.com/DoiLUr1.jpg)
Better than some rares
Actually most rares in this set
Lots of new guild symbols going on.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 05, 2015, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 04:50:53 PM
Land or Walker killer...
(http://i.imgur.com/DoiLUr1.jpg)
Better than some rares
Actually most rares in this set
Ban it.
😄😄😄
Anyone have any info on what the prerelease promos are? I wasn't able to find anything.
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 04:50:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gjosjWA.jpg)
Last ability repeatable unlike kithkin...
In just noticed it was repeatable... Mind blown :P
That's one sure way to win a limited game.
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 05, 2015, 05:36:59 PM
Anyone have any info on what the prerelease promos are? I wasn't able to find anything.
About to get really sad that there are another 40 promos
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 05, 2015, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 05, 2015, 05:36:59 PM
Anyone have any info on what the prerelease promos are? I wasn't able to find anything.
About to get really sad that there are another 40 promos
I thought that would be a good idea at first, but as always, there was always one that was better than th rest.
Apparently alternate art of cards from khans too
New dragon spoiled on Blogatog. 4R for a 5/5 Flample Haste Dragon that gets shuffled into its owner library at the next end step. At Common.
Ummmmmmmmm that's kinda like really good but that's a big drawback any opinions on ze dargon?
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: Cender on January 05, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
New dragon spoiled on Blogatog. 4R for a 5/5 Flample Haste Dragon that gets shuffled into its owner library at the next end step. At Common.
Watch out guys!!! That dragon has Flample!!!!
What's that?? New keyword for Flying and Trample??
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 05, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: Cender on January 05, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
New dragon spoiled on Blogatog. 4R for a 5/5 Flample Haste Dragon that gets shuffled into its owner library at the next end step. At Common.
Watch out guys!!! That dragon has Flample!!!!
What's that?? New keyword for Flying and Trample??
This dragon does not have Flample. It has Flampaste!
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 05, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: Cender on January 05, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
New dragon spoiled on Blogatog. 4R for a 5/5 Flample Haste Dragon that gets shuffled into its owner library at the next end step. At Common.
Watch out guys!!! That dragon has Flample!!!!
What's that?? New keyword for Flying and Trample??
I think its just a phrase for something that has flying and trample. Like {Highspire Mantis} "has flample."
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 05, 2015, 07:14:19 PM
Ummmmmmmmm that's kinda like really good but that's a big drawback any opinions on ze dargon?
I see it good in sealed and draft in a 40 card deck. But in a normal deck I don't see it unless {Sundial of the Infinite} Or similar
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screenshots_2015-01-06-07-17-04-216x298.png)
Quote from: mickeven on January 05, 2015, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 05, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: Cender on January 05, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
New dragon spoiled on Blogatog. 4R for a 5/5 Flample Haste Dragon that gets shuffled into its owner library at the next end step. At Common.
Watch out guys!!! That dragon has Flample!!!!
What's that?? New keyword for Flying and Trample??
This dragon does not have Flample. It has Flampaste!
Touché. From a limited perspective, the question is: is a {Lava Axe} that returns to your deck good enough to go in most decks? There's clearly some dragon synergy beyond that so the question may not be that simple.
Quote from: Cender on January 05, 2015, 07:26:01 PM
Quote from: mickeven on January 05, 2015, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 05, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2015, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: Cender on January 05, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
New dragon spoiled on Blogatog. 4R for a 5/5 Flample Haste Dragon that gets shuffled into its owner library at the next end step. At Common.
Watch out guys!!! That dragon has Flample!!!!
What's that?? New keyword for Flying and Trample??
This dragon does not have Flample. It has Flampaste!
Touché. From a limited perspective, the question is: is a {Lava Axe} that returns to your deck good enough to go in most decks? There's clearly some dragon synergy beyond that so the question may not be that simple.
That's certainly something to think about if your deck has no dragon synergy.
The UW dragon was also spoiled. 5/6 flying Vigilance with a frost effect for non land permanents anytime a Dragon attacks. At CMC 7, limited bomb. May be a decent target in some of the 4 color whip decks? I still think {Soul of Theros} is stronger, but a one of might not be out of the question.
Sooooo {U} got some amazing removal ... {1}{U} exile target creature then that creatures controller manifests the top card. Instant
So ya that's pretty damn good in my books
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 06, 2015, 09:25:40 AM
Sooooo {U} got some amazing removal ... {1}{U} exile target creature then that creatures controller manifests the top card. Instant
So ya that's pretty damn good in my books
So you exile Narset AND rob them of their topmost instant? Potential.
If Narset wasn't Hexproof then yes lol
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 06, 2015, 09:25:40 AM
Sooooo {U} got some amazing removal ... {1}{U} exile target creature then that creatures controller manifests the top card. Instant
So ya that's pretty damn good in my books
That sure pushes the color pie limitations. I suppose it is close to a {pongify} effect but the fact this exiles is a huge difference and much more powerful than "destroy"
Are the spoilers subject to change or confirmed release cards?
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on January 06, 2015, 10:12:38 AM
Are the spoilers subject to change or confirmed release cards?
Confirmed if you see them on a legit spoiler page
Ya the exile is key. Idk if MaRo likes this but man U got an amazing card
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 06, 2015, 09:25:40 AM
Sooooo {U} got some amazing removal ... {1}{U} exile target creature then that creatures controller manifests the top card. Instant
So ya that's pretty damn good in my books
Nice.
Atarka has double flample!!!
Double flample all the way across the sky!
http://puu.sh/e9te9/d43989d97a.png
Not sure how to link
I am just hoping for another field wipe to be released
Quote from: Jcollinzz on January 06, 2015, 12:16:29 PM
I am just hoping for another field wipe to be released
{Crux of Fate} was the first spoiled card.
{humble defector} seems really cool for limited.
SMASH!
(http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/atarka-world-render/)
Atarka, World Render 😍
Makes me think. A manifested card is put into play top down. But in order for you to know if it's a creature... You know what is lying there right? So you can equip just the right creature and unmorph afterwards. (Or unmanifest in this case). I like how this works in my morph deck.
I kinda like how WoTC has this idea that anything {7} CMC and above can just do all the things lol. That flample doublestrike dragon is hitting for 12 if untouched! Not sure if it will see standard constructed but it is a cool card none the less. And yes I am just going to say this overused comment "that card may not fit standard but it will be a good EDH card" :P
Already has a home in a prosh deck I'm sure
Exile for blue is still making me gush loads
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 06, 2015, 05:08:57 PM
Exile for blue is still making me gush loads
Lol, its like {Rapid Hybridization}, but more interesting and in a much weaker format, should be fun ({Reality Shift} for those interested). Just imagine: End of your turn {Reality Shift}, untap, {Drown in Sorrow} to kill your manifest plus whatever else.
Exile is so relevant right now
Dissipate has people saying: wait is that legal?
Me: yup, exile that .poo..
http://imgur.com/s2OeEjH
Enjoy!
😯"Oh no..."
😦"it's growing so much!!!"
😟" Agh my control boner!"
😲😲😲
✏⚡🍆
😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵
😏😎😏😎😎😎😆😆😫😫😫😓😓😓😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😋😋😋😋
http://mythicspoiler.com/frf/cards/neutralizingblast.html
This is a preorder for me
So i have kind of a dumb question. I see all the dual colored lands that gain a life have received new art... except {swiftwater cliffs}. Is there any reason for this?
Does anybody else see the temur saber tooth as awesome and playable?
Quote from: VQMracing on January 07, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Does anybody else see the temur saber tooth as awesome and playable?
It combos with {humble defector}. Activate defectors ability, in response bounce it to hand with {temur sabertooth}. Youll draw two cards but your opponent wont gain control of him.
Quote from: particle on January 07, 2015, 10:28:14 AM
So i have kind of a dumb question. I see all the dual colored lands that gain a life have received new art... except {swiftwater cliffs}. Is there any reason for this?
The art has minute differences, look more closely. Specifically the flag and waterfall...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 07, 2015, 10:52:49 AM
Quote from: particle on January 07, 2015, 10:28:14 AM
So i have kind of a dumb question. I see all the dual colored lands that gain a life have received new art... except {swiftwater cliffs}. Is there any reason for this?
The art has minute differences, look more closely. Specifically the flag and waterfall...
Yea i noticed after posting. Such small differences, i really like the rest but i feel like they barely did anything with this one.
There were at least 3 lands that I felt that way about. The minor changes are fun in regards to seeing the tiny differences as time changed, but they are indeed so very minor that it almost felt less exciting.
So you think they have plans to do this with the next set also. The last expansion.
No, the third set is going to be completely different and will technically be a set with Core 2016 (Well as far as rotation is concerned but I bet they are of similar theme)
As I understood it Dragons is the last of the triple set blocks and M16 will be the last core (m16 being my working title)
Quote from: Kaylesh on January 07, 2015, 12:57:22 PM
As I understood it Dragons is the last of the triple set blocks and M16 will be the last core (m16 being my working title)
Yes but I believe ktk and fate reforged will rotate before dragons does. All three will not rotate like the three block sets have done in the past.
return an instant that was manifested, to your hand with the wall?
Quote from: mickeven on January 07, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
return an instant that was manifested, to your hand with the wall?
I would say yes.
One of the Ugin's Fate alt art cards is Ugin himself.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 07, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
One of the Ugin's Fate alt art cards is Ugin himself.
Haven't seen a pic yet! But that cars will be double $ of what normal is
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10433269_10153110613286004_348198712037251482_n.jpg?oh=7b9f60b0c97c9d410dc18ab9c5db1990&oe=5522C20E&__gda__=1428930489_c9c21c714b27187c4193b3bab22f95f4)
Ok so that is different Ugin art and that card on the right has a KTK symbol. Where is this from?
Quote from: cltrn81 on January 07, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
Ok so that is different Ugin art and that card on the right has a KTK symbol. Where is this from?
The prerelease is going to have packs that are called "Ugin's Fate" and the cards are supposed to depict alternate realities and such. For example, the briber's purse depicts someone bribing a dragon, the new rulers of Tarkir.
Ugh why am I a collector
Those are gonna be expensive
Ouch that is true muggs. I might have to do a prerelese or two.
Why can't they just be nice and give everyone Ugin like the did with Emmy-poo?
{Torrent Elemental} Uh, what? Tap all creatures defending player controls?
{Neutralizing Blast} Looks playable, no? Though a large part of me thinks {Disdainful Stroke} is better.
{Cunning Strike} If only it was like, one less mana. Maybe it's still playable? Probably not.
{Temur Sabertooth}
{2}{G}{G}
{1}{G} you may return another creature you control to your hand if you do ^^ gains indestructible til end of turn
4/3
Seems pretty awesome with Manifest, grab your instants/sorceries and get an indestructible. Also if there's instant speed manifest you can make opponents use up some removal like Anger or {Drown in Sorrow}
And it has lower toughness so Bolster could be relevant. Idk. I like it. Not too big a fan of that {Harsh Sustenance} although everyone says tokens will be all the rage. (And with rabblemaster's shenanigans I'd say their right.) if Mardu uses him anyways.
Son how do you get those fate of Ugin packs?
Quote from: Vindog on January 08, 2015, 05:47:59 PM
Son how do you get those fate of Ugin packs?
I don't think the specifics have been given out yet, but I believe it is a prerelease thing like fighting Garruk or Battling the Horde.
Voltron staple
Legendary creature staple
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screenshots_2015-01-09-00-03-13.png)
But {heart piercer bow} isn't even good unless you have 2!
...
Oh wait...
On a side note vial of dragonfire is not in this set 0.0
It is now .-.
Also I feel like {Daxos of Meletis} will be really strong with {Hero's Blade}
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 08, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screenshots_2015-01-09-00-03-13.png)
But {heart piercer bow} isn't even good unless you have 2!
...
Oh wait...
On a side note vial of dragonfire is not in this set 0.0
Not the first time this has happened. Remember {Shield of Kaldra}. That was the prerelease promo for Darksteel. Guess what didn't come until Fifth Dawn? {Helm of Kaldra}.
I'd like to see something similar to {Day of the Dragons} reprinted. With all the manifest morph and token stuff in standard. Could be fun. Not sure how playable. But fun.
Quote from: Brawler_1337 on January 09, 2015, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 08, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
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But {heart piercer bow} isn't even good unless you have 2!
...
Oh wait...
On a side note vial of dragonfire is not in this set 0.0
Not the first time this has happened. Remember {Shield of Kaldra}. That was the prerelease promo for Darksteel. Guess what didn't come until Fifth Dawn? {Helm of Kaldra}.
Huh. Cool.
New {Lightning Bolt} variant looks interesting. Sac a dude and {r} for 3 damage seems like it will see play.
Break Through the Line {1}{R}
Enchantment
{R} give target creature with power 2 or less haste and it can't be blocked this turn
Sensing {master of cruelties}
Also with art featuring goblins clearly a nod to the RabbleMaster or More Swiftspear shenanigans
Quote from: Aladormax on January 09, 2015, 12:52:29 PM
New {Lightning Bolt} variant looks interesting. Sac a dude and {r} for 3 damage seems like it will see play.
Link? My spoiler site doesn't have this.
{Shard Volley} For creatures seems pretty sweet.
We got a new Windfall effect, though it's each player draws equal to the number they discarded, minus 1. And in Black. More fuel for the endless numbers of Nekusar.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 09, 2015, 02:39:05 PM
Lmao it literally is
{R}
Instant
sacrifice a creature, Deal 3 damage to a creature or player.
My {Act of Treason} {Jeering Instigator} {Harness by Force} deck is happy. Specially with the new gain control of all {Mob Rule}. Gotta feed the {Butcher of the Horde} well!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/66/291/200/283/635564011221257866.png)
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/66/298/200/283/635564014861136074.png)
Quote from: Remillo on January 09, 2015, 02:45:51 PM
We got a new Windfall effect, though it's each player draws equal to the number they discarded, minus 1. And in Black. More fuel for the endless numbers of Nekusar.
Yay!
Between {Dark Deal} and {Tasigur's Cruelty}, I think I am going to build a {Waste Not} deck.
{Flesh bag marauder} but as a new warrior
Not bad
Set is spoiled at mythicspoiler.com
Unstickied
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 09, 2015, 04:41:50 PM
{Flesh bag marauder} but as a new warrior
Not bad
Set is spoiled at mythicspoiler.com
Unstickied
Yea fleshbag warrior seems really good.
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 09, 2015, 07:39:18 AM
Quote from: Brawler_1337 on January 09, 2015, 12:40:17 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 08, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screenshots_2015-01-09-00-03-13.png)
But {heart piercer bow} isn't even good unless you have 2!
...
Oh wait...
On a side note vial of dragonfire is not in this set 0.0
Not the first time this has happened. Remember {Shield of Kaldra}. That was the prerelease promo for Darksteel. Guess what didn't come until Fifth Dawn? {Helm of Kaldra}.
Huh. Cool.
The reason they did this is so the card can be drafted. Khans/fate. Fate/dragons. Otherwise this card would be useless when dragons comes out and you don't draft khans anymore.
This set was a little underwhelming and idk if there's really anything I should get into for it.
I want monastery mentor and ugin mostly
But who doesn't????
Quote from: Destore117 on January 10, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
This set was a little underwhelming and idk if there's really anything I should get into for it.
Seems to be a pattern where the middle set is all about the uncommons
Black demons could be fun
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 10, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on January 10, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
This set was a little underwhelming and idk if there's really anything I should get into for it.
Seems to be a pattern where the middle set is all about the uncommons
At least this is the last middle set!!!!
Aside from the delve flayer and cards to dabble in Bolster I'm not all that interested. However some of the dragons do seem pretty fun
I don't think I will be buying a box; probably focus on the few cards I want from the set and play in the prereleases.
Is this set in the database yet?
I'm probably going to hit 2HG prerelease with my cousin as it's exactly on his birthday. Otherwise I might ask for packs for my birthday...dunno...
Magical birthday bash!
I like {Renowned Weaponsmith} for my artifact deck. I like him alot...