Fate Reforged (Speculation and Spoilers)

[Avnger345]

I don't like the manifest mechanic at all actually.

It's gonna be a problem now that non creatures can be morph pods...

For the record we saw this coming though
{Trail of Mystery}

Read that bottom part carefully...

Reading the italic part on manifest.  It looks like if it's anything but a creature it never morphs.  Just a vanilla 2/2.  trail of mystery will never hit it cause as of right now only creature cards can be turned face up

"Turn it face up at any time for its mana cost if its a creature"

Doesn't say that you can do anything if it's not a creature

Also I'd say make sure you keep those morph tokens.  Now you have to determain what was cast as a morph and what wasn't.  Otherwise players that have manifest could try to cheat and cast a morph and it not being morph creature   

[VQMracing]

They are printing the manifest token in the new set as well

[cltrn81]

I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.

Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost.  {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit

[LinkCelestrial]

This is looking like it's going to be a really sick set. I'm stoked.

[Crossed]

I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.

Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost.  {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit

You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

Anyone else like the card that can put an extra token of {Wingmate Roc} on the battlefield when attacking.  Because one wasn't fun enough 😁

Not only that,would the raid trigger, giving you another bird?

[VQMracing]

Where is this at flicker?

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Where is this at flicker?

I think this is what he's referring to:
http://mythicspoiler.com/frf/cards/flamerushrider.html

And if you make a token copy of {wingmate roc}, he will check for raid and make a token if youve attacked.

[VQMracing]

Ahh ok. That seems fun

[Cender]

I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.

Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost.  {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit

You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it

So it will always be a 5/5 because it already entered the battlefield, correct? If that's the case there's some clear lack of synergy with the raid mechanic. I'd hate to manifest a {Wingmate Roc} and never get the extra token when it flips.

[Kaylesh]

With that manifest mechanic do u guys see {hooded hydra} or  {Kheru Spellsnatcher} Rising in price due to the wording

I don't know, but I am going to buy a set of all of the standard morph/face-down matters cards and hope it ends up playable

I was working on that with some morph cards myself. I'll put the project on hold: with this manifest I could improve it.

[Kaylesh]

I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.

Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost.  {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit

You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it

So it will always be a 5/5 because it already entered the battlefield, correct? If that's the case there's some clear lack of synergy with the raid mechanic. I'd hate to manifest a {Wingmate Roc} and never get the extra token when it flips.

If I read the article correctly the flipping functions like morph. Etb abilities don't trigger. Morph triggers like the Hydra do.

[Rass]

I'm still not understanding the cheating thing. You still have to reveal the card one way or another. Seems like the difference is only that manifest cards have a "turn face up" cost equal to the mana cost instead of the card gaining a morph cost equal to mana cost.

Right so now when you manifest {hooded hydra}, he gets the free 5 counters for turning him face up and then the {X} counters you pay for his casting cost.  {3} mana 6/6 that puts 6 snake tokens in play when it dies seems legit

You can't pay the {X} unless you cast it. {X} = {0} while {hooded hydra} is facedown. So if it's manifested, you could only pay the {G}{G} or {3}{G}{G} to morph it

So it will always be a 5/5 because it already entered the battlefield, correct? If that's the case there's some clear lack of synergy with the raid mechanic. I'd hate to manifest a {Wingmate Roc} and never get the extra token when it flips.

If I read the article correctly the flipping functions like morph. Etb abilities don't trigger. Morph triggers like the Hydra do.

I would say you are correct. Because he already entered the battlefield.

[MuggyWuggy]

I'm too lazy to look but whoever said there was going to be a {8} {U}{U}{U} Delve Timewalk

You were right

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I'm too lazy to look but whoever said there was going to be a {8} {U}{U}{U} Delve Timewalk

You were right

Soooooo broken!!!!