Has anyone seen this planeswalker spoiler from return to ravnica, I would say its convincing, but his ultimate is too easily achievable and too OP.
http://stillplayingmagic.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/the-first-return-to-ravnica-spoiler-is-a-planeswalker/
Obvious fake. For way too many reasons.
I don't recal Wizards using contractions in their text.
Pin lines are too big
WAY to early for spoilers.
Way to early for a PW spoiler.
List goes on
To clarify "can't" is in reminder text, not rules text
That and other was origianally printed at W/u
Totally fake.
If it was a real card that would be awesome, but it's a fake. π
lol {ith, high arcanist}
Lol that would be an all around OP PW. Not just his ultimate.
Hahahahaha I didn't even know ith had already been printed, with the same art! This is so funny.
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on June 22, 2012, 11:46:33 PM
Hahahahaha I didn't even know ith had already been printed, with the same art! This is so funny.
Ya, that is most certainly a fake
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=439877
Yep there is a photo of it.
Quote from: Tumalc on August 15, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Yep there is a photo of it.
Where? There's 12 pages.
Scavenge 4{G}{G} (Exile the top card of your graveyard the put X +1/+1 counters on this creature where X is it's power)
If memory serves me.
Just go to the spoiler page it's on there. It's a 2GG 5/5 creature that has a new mechanic called scavenge.
Tul said there was a photo. I couldn't find it.
They just fixed hit the link and it'll be right there that's what it did for me
Sweet mercy! A 5/5 for {2}{G}{G} no drawbacks AND a bonus in the bin!?!?! Gadzooks!!
Quote from: BlackJester on August 16, 2012, 01:27:17 AM
Sweet mercy! A 5/5 for 2{G}{G} no drawbacks AND a bonus in the bin!?!?! Gadzooks!!
ππ I think I might be in love already!
Quote from: BlackJester on August 15, 2012, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: Tumalc on August 15, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Yep there is a photo of it.
Where? There's 12 pages.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=134187&d=1345061289
There was a bigger photo, I cannot find it. This is what I could find.
Holy s*** it is only uncomon ^_^
I think its fake. It has the same old expansion symbol not the new one...
Quote from: Thorn on August 16, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
I think its fake. It has the same old expansion symbol not the new one...
It is the old set symbol in the pic but this card has been officially announced as a spoiler card...
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 16, 2012, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Thorn on August 16, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
I think its fake. It has the same old expansion symbol not the new one...
It is the old set symbol in the pic but this card has been officially announced as a spoiler card...
That card is so cheap.
I know and I LOVE it!
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Says that none of the old Ravnica keyword abilities will reappear, but each guild will have a new one. Also another card spoiler.
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/niv-mizzet-the-firemind/
Says that none of the old ravnica keywords will reappear, but there will be a new on for each. Two Golgari cards revealed.
2GG for a 5/5 with new ability scavenge! Scavenge: 4GG exile card from graveyard and it puts X +1/+1 counters on target creature, where X is this creature's power (its a 5/5!)
The other card is a legendary golgari lich that does graveyard stuff. Check it out!
The second link is an izzet legendary. Check all the links out, and explore tge site to find more.
The Lich was spoiled with the Golgari v Izzet duel deck.
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 16, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
The Lich was spoiled with the Golgari v Izzet duel deck.
Oh... Yeah. So was the Firemind. Crapola.
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 16, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
The Lich was spoiled with the Golgari v Izzet duel deck.
As well as niv-Mizzet. Wizards said that each guild leader will have new abilities. This being said during the comic-con panel.
Also was speculation about a UR Planeswalker; Jace, Adviser to the Firemind.
I'm really, really hoping that Niv-Mizzet is just a reprint for the duel deck and not r2r itself, as much as I love the card. I want a new printing of Niv for the actual set.
Honestly the only things I truly want to see reprinted are shock lands, bounce lands, and signets. I wouldn't mind seeing the guildmages reprinted either, but new guildmages would be even better. As long as there are guildmages!
Quote from: Gorzo on August 17, 2012, 04:41:41 AM
I'm really, really hoping that Niv-Mizzet is just a reprint for the duel deck and not r2r itself, as much as I love the card. I want a new printing of Niv for the actual set.
Honestly the only things I truly want to see reprinted are shock lands, bounce lands, and signets. I wouldn't mind seeing the guildmages reprinted either, but new guildmages would be even better. As long as there are guildmages!
Gorzo I agree that's why I'm going to buy a box and a fatpack of RtR to start with
Yeah, I've already started banking my prize packs at FNM at my LGS, hopefully I win enough in the next month and a half to score a fat pack and a golgari vs izzet duel deck.
Place for all things RtR preview related. Spoil away!
Here is something I find pondering look at the 3rd from last post on 1st page:
http://www.rarityguide.com/forums/magic-gathering-mtg/16328812-return-ravnica-spoilers-visual-spoilers-card-lists-pictures-cards-rtr-spoiler-faqs.html
Quote from: Biggin316 on August 17, 2012, 04:54:12 PM
Here is something I find pondering look at the 3rd from last post on 1st page:
http://www.rarityguide.com/forums/magic-gathering-mtg/16328812-return-ravnica-spoilers-visual-spoilers-card-lists-pictures-cards-rtr-spoiler-faqs.html
So many fakes out there. I wonder when the real stuff will start coming, Lich Lord aside.
just to clear confusion we are getting a new niv-mizzet.
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 17, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
just to clear confusion we are getting a new niv-mizzet.
Wait so we are getting a different one than the one in the dueling decks package?
I'm incredulous.
not sure if sarcasm or really doesn't believe so.
I hope we get a ton of new cards. I'd hate to see RtR become an array of repeats.
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 17, 2012, 10:02:56 PM
not sure if sarcasm or really doesn't believe so.
I'm rarely sarcastic (at least not without a wink and a smile). I know they said that the guild leaders would have new abilities, but I'll be very surprised of they printed a version of Niv that is different than the Duel Decks. If they were changing him, why not have the shiny new Niv in the DD?
I'd love to be wrong on this one, but I just don't see it. π
my response is why waste 2 MORE (actual printing and prerelease promo) arts on the same card?
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 17, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
my response is why waste 2 MORE (actual printing and prerelease promo) arts on the same card?
Do you suppose that they are commissioning alt art for all five guild leaders? Probably, I guess. Still, they might use the same art in the duel decks as in the set.
Besides, I thought the DDs were supposed to have some spoilers. If they change him, he's no longer spoiled, he's different.
only duel decks to do so are elspeth vz tezzy and this one. There's
no guarantee that niv-mizzet was the spoiled izzet card, and even then they might just be spoiling his presence in the new set.
I get your point, but I dunno. I guess I'd believe three art before I'd see them putting out a different Niv then the one in DD.
Once again, I hope you're right.
My belief is that they'll reprint {Niv-Mizzet, Firemind} excatly as before. And yes, they gave us {Curiosity} in INN block just for this.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 18, 2012, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 17, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
my response is why waste 2 MORE (actual printing and prerelease promo) arts on the same card?
Do you suppose that they are commissioning alt art for all five guild leaders? Probably, I guess. Still, they might use the same art in the duel decks as in the set.
Besides, I thought the DDs were supposed to have some spoilers. If they change him, he's no longer spoiled, he's different.
There will be a new version of Niv-Mizzet in Return to Ravnica. Maro confirmed it on his tumblr.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 18, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 18, 2012, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 17, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
my response is why waste 2 MORE (actual printing and prerelease promo) arts on the same card?
Do you suppose that they are commissioning alt art for all five guild leaders? Probably, I guess. Still, they might use the same art in the duel decks as in the set.
Besides, I thought the DDs were supposed to have some spoilers. If they change him, he's no longer spoiled, he's different.
There will be a new version of Niv-Mizzet in Return to Ravnica. Maro confirmed it on his tumblr.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Show us the link. Cuz I agree with Jester, I can't see them doing a different version of him. But also like Jester I hope we r wrong.
Quote from: Rtace88 on August 18, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 18, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 18, 2012, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 17, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
my response is why waste 2 MORE (actual printing and prerelease promo) arts on the same card?
Do you suppose that they are commissioning alt art for all five guild leaders? Probably, I guess. Still, they might use the same art in the duel decks as in the set.
Besides, I thought the DDs were supposed to have some spoilers. If they change him, he's no longer spoiled, he's different.
There will be a new version of Niv-Mizzet in Return to Ravnica. Maro confirmed it on his tumblr.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Show us the link. Cuz I agree with Jester, I can't see them doing a different version of him. But also like Jester I hope we r wrong.
Couldnt find the exact one (his tumblr is a pain to search) but http://www.examiner.com/article/mark-rosewater-comfirms-return-to-ravnica-rumors-on-tumblr
Good enough for me! W00t w00t!! Bring on the new Mizzle fo' shizzle! π
It was said during the comic-con panel that each guild leader was gonna have new abilities. Which means a new niv-Mizzet. The DD's usually put 2 spoilers in them for the next set; one being the gogori legend and something else in izzet. Hopefully a new draw spell or counterspell.
I remember that, but when I saw they hadn't changed Niv that maybe he wasn't the leader any more.
I also want to note that I was not doubting out of mistrust, but out of disbelief.
I can't wait to see the new version! Yay Izzet! {U}{R}
Since Gideon Jura is on Ravnica and joined Boros, do you think any Eldrazi are going to appear? I know it's kinda soon to revisit the Eldrazi, but that's sort of his thing, right?
Also, Jace is the head of the Infinite Consortium on Ravnica. The promo picture is him and Niv-Mizzet chillin. I wonder what his motivation is. It's unlikely he'd get pulled into the fire mind, because jace is quite brilliant himself.
I wouldn't mind getting into the flavor of this set. I'm also digging the art they've released so far too.
Do you think the whole block is going to be dark and photorealistic?
I want to see {remand} reprinted
that would spur modern a bit.
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 18, 2012, 08:32:24 PM
I want to see {remand} reprinted
HA! I want a playset for my SlowFog. π
I can't wait to see all the lore. Like how Jarad was a zombie gone wrong made by the last Golgargi leader and he killed her. Just guessing
jarad is actually {savra queen of the golgari}'s brother. and she ended up dying twice for other reasons so hr succeeded her.
She had.....undying?!? π
funny. it went along the lines of she got backstabbed by {szadek, lord of secrets} then possessed by {svothgir the restless tomb} and then stomped on by {experiment kraj} and {rakdos the defiler}.
Flavor wise, Liches create a phylactery that harnesses their soul (I believe?). So if Jarad is a lich lord, something contains his phylactery. It's unlikely that any Golgari has it, might be a deeper conspiracy here.
jarad's phylactery should actually be his body since he died and then necro magicked himself back into his body.
{Phylactery Lich} has to give his phylactery counter to something in order to be indestructible, flavor wise he's an amazing card.
My suspicion is Jarad must have one as well. I could might be wrong on this.
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on August 15, 2012, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 15, 2012, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: Tumalc on August 15, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Yep there is a photo of it.
Where? There's 12 pages.
God forbid we read 12 pages....
I would just like to point out that the Rumor Mill is the bad bad part of MTGSalvation and it will make you dumb by reading it.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 19, 2012, 01:13:39 AM
{Phylactery Lich} has to give his phylactery counter to something in order to be indestructible, flavor wise he's an amazing card.
My suspicion is Jarad must have one as well. I could might be wrong on this.
A powerful legendary artifact for this would be awesome!
A legendary Jarad card would be epic!
Quote from: Thorn on August 19, 2012, 07:44:30 AM
A legendary Jarad card would be epic!
You know they printed one right?
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 18, 2012, 10:08:03 PM
jarad is actually {savra queen of the golgari}'s brother. and she ended up dying twice for other reasons so he succeeded her.
And he'll be a better ruler than she ever was! (And worth more)
I thought she was a good commander. Hehehehe
Surprisingly enough, {Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord}.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 19, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
Surprisingly enough, {Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord}.
Close Enough
Has anyone realized that the second planeswalker could be Ral Zarek. I'm not certain if the Ral Zarek already supposedly "spoiled" is the correct one for RTR. I don't have a link to the picture, but somewhere between the first two pages of this article; there are confirmed pictures about the RTR Game day and u can see Ral Zarek right there. These are my assumptions not confirmed spoilers, so don't get all ballistic on me!
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Found the link it's the first pic
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 20, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Found the link it's the first pic
Lol my bookmarked page for all my spoilers
Jace and Gideon are the only confirmed ones so far. Jace and 1 planeswalker in RtR, Gideon (Boros) and another (Kiora Atua and the Simic Combine?) in Gatecrash.
Wait, is Kiora confirmed? I haven't been following the spoilers ξ
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 12:30:46 AM
Jace and Gideon are the only confirmed ones so far. Jace and 1 planeswalker in RtR, Gideon (Boros) and another (Kiora Atua and the Simic Combine?) in Gatecrash.
Lol I know ways confirmed I'm just saying the guy on the champion playmat is Ral Zarek, he COULD be the 2nd planeswalker in RtR
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 20, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 20, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Found the link it's the first pic
Lol my bookmarked page for all my spoilers
Lol me too they are legit and faster than other websites that I've tried getting spoilers from
It makes sense, but I kinda figured RtR would be {U}{W} Jace (Azorius Senate) and maybe a Rakdos {B}{R}.
Gatecrash {R}{W} Gideon and a less popular color combo...who knows. Maybe jace will be mono-{U}
Id be so happy if there was a UG planeswalker
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 12:43:40 AM
It makes sense, but I kinda figured RtR would be {U}{W} Jace (Azorius Senate) and maybe a Rakdos {B}{R}.
Gatecrash {R}{W} Gideon and a less popular color combo...who knows. Maybe jace will be mono-{U}
I more expect a split color jace just cause he's always been a mono color pw i kinda like to see something new for him other then abilities lol
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 12:43:40 AM
It makes sense, but I kinda figured RtR would be {U}{W} Jace (Azorius Senate) and maybe a Rakdos {B}{R}.
Gatecrash {R}{W} Gideon and a less popular color combo...who knows. Maybe jace will be mono-{U}
Who knows maybe both planeswalkers will be UR??? O.o
Quote from: GoJuDragon on August 20, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
Id be so happy if there was a UG planeswalker
THIS!
Also, I would love a {U}{R} PW too! Give us Ral.
I really think Jace is going to be {W}{U} this time around. No info, just a feeling.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 20, 2012, 12:51:27 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on August 20, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
Id be so happy if there was a UG planeswalker
THIS!
Also, I would love a {U}{R} PW too! Give us Ral.
I really think Jace is going to be {W}{U} this time around. No info, just a feeling.
β¬β¬β¬β¬β¬β¬ yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've felt the same way scence RtR was announced as the next set!
Well, the only other {W}{U} PW is
*SPOILER*
Dead, so Jace could step in. It makes sense to have him be dual color aligned in the City of Ravnica, Azorius is in the first Block, and, maybe it's just me, but it seems hinted at in his outfit in the pic with Jave and Niv. He seems to have more white highlights than usual.
I could be way off base here, just speculating.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 20, 2012, 01:18:18 AM
Well, the only other {W}{U} PW is
*SPOILER*
Dead, so Jace could step in. It makes sense to have him be dual color aligned in the City of Ravnica, Azorius is in the first Block, and, maybe it's just me, but it seems hinted at in his outfit in the pic with Jave and Niv. He seems to have more white highlights than usual.
I could be way off base here, just speculating.
No I agree I totally noticed te highlights as well and my buddie was just like "nah he's getting older" ππππ
Yea right.....
HAHAHAHAHA
You know, 'cause old people's clothes turn white as the age, right? Right?
Lol
I would bet money that the two PW are jace who will be U/W and another PW that will be B/R. That is my official prediction.
Maybe they'll make a Beatrice PW. But she would probably be mono {R}.
Also maybe Niv-Mizzet will be {U}{R} PW that's why there wasn't a new card for him in the DD
There will proly b at least one random PW like Tamiyo was to AVR
I heard Jace was confirmed to be RU
Quote from: Rasser on August 20, 2012, 05:36:02 AM
Maybe they'll make a Beatrice PW. But she would probably be mono {R}.
Also maybe Niv-Mizzet will be {U}{R} PW that's why there wasn't a new card for him in the DD
Niv Mizzet isn't going to be a planeswalker he is confirmed as the Izzet leader so that means he will most likely be legendary and people are very confused from the DD; they are reprinting Niv there with new art but will give a new Niv in RtR perhaps same art new ability or brand new card with brand new shananigans
Quote from: Rtace88 on August 20, 2012, 04:31:55 AM
I would bet money that the two PW are jace who will be U/W and another PW that will be B/R. That is my official prediction.
Lol we have predicted that already
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 20, 2012, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Rtace88 on August 20, 2012, 04:31:55 AM
I would bet money that the two PW are jace who will be U/W and another PW that will be B/R. That is my official prediction.
Lol we have predicted that already
Jace is confirmed, (although the color is speculation). I don't know who's predicting {B}{R}, but I'm not. I've seen hints at Ral, so that's where my "money" is. ;) (Another reason to speculate on {W}{U} Jace. Although that'd be two PWs with {U} in them.)
Quote from: BlackJester on August 20, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 20, 2012, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Rtace88 on August 20, 2012, 04:31:55 AM
I would bet money that the two PW are jace who will be U/W and another PW that will be B/R. That is my official prediction.
Lol we have predicted that already
Jace is confirmed, (although the color is speculation). I don't know who's predicting {B}{R}, but I'm not. I've seen hints at Ral, so that's where my "money" is. ;) (Another reason to speculate on {W}{U} Jace. Although that'd be two PWs with {U} in them.)
Yea.... I don't see them doin 2 {U} PWs in the same set.
If Jace is {U}{W} then we'd have 2 white planeswalkers, because Gideon is {W}{R}....
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
If Jace is {U}{W} then we'd have 2 white planeswalkers, because Gideon is {W}{R}....
Isn't Gids in Gatecrash?
I say {U}{R}
Quote from: CbStrad on August 20, 2012, 01:22:12 PM
See, I'm wondering if a {U}{B} Jace could happen since they always build him around mill
Jace was never into the darker forms of magic and spell casting I don't think he'd ever be {B}
Quote from: BlackJester on August 20, 2012, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
If Jace is {U}{W} then we'd have 2 white planeswalkers, because Gideon is {W}{R}....
Isn't Gids in Gatecrash?
We've also had our share of new {B} PWs.
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 20, 2012, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: CbStrad on August 20, 2012, 01:22:12 PM
See, I'm wondering if a {U}{B} Jace could happen since they always build him around mill
Jace was never into the darker forms of magic and spell casting I don't think he'd ever be {B}
Didn't him and Lili have a thing going on? I think it's
possible
{U}-
{Jace, Memory Adept}
{Tamiyo, the moon sage}
{B}-
{Liliana of the Veil}
{Liliana of the Dark Realms}
{W}-
{Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
{R}
{Chandra, the Firebrand}
{Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded}
{G}-
{Garruk, Primal Hunter}
{Garruk Relentless // Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}
Boros - {W}{R} - New Gideon
Simic - {U}{G}
Izzet -{U}{R}
Dimir - {U}{B}
Azorius - {U}{W}
Gruul - {R}{G}
Selesnaya - {G}{W}
Orzhov - {B}{W} - {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
Golgari - {B}{G}
Rakdos - {B}{R}
{B}{U}{R} - {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
So I'll am making the case for a {U}{W} Jace, so that White has 4 planeswalkers (including the new Gideon), blue would have 4.
No izzet planeswalker. Definelty a new green planeswalker of some kind. I think the other Planeswalker will be from Rakdos {B}{R}.
It's really up in the air at this point. It could actually go either way. My uninformed opinion is that Izzet and Azorius (lead by jace) are plotting something, and Gideon and Boros are tired of enforcing whatever laws. So the "Gate Crash" in the second set is those guilds fighting the previous guilds. The "gate" is the new Prahv.
I think gatecrash will have the {U}{G} Planeswalker from duels. Simic now has a merfolk guild leader. Ravinca the first time didn't have merfolk. It would make since on how they got to Ravinca.
@Dudecore, I like the breakdown. Technically, wouldn't Garruk be {B}{G}? Or are we going off of lore more than playability? Are you only looking from INN forward?
@BJ:
Post rotation breakdown. I consider Garruk {G} because you don't need {B} to cast him.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 20, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
I think gatecrash will have the {U}{G} Planeswalker from duels. Simic now has a merfolk guild leader. Ravinca the first time didn't have merfolk. It would make since on how they got to Ravinca.
This would make a great deal of sense for Gatecrash. Kiora Atua, would be a good fit for MtG and merfolk, but I dont really see Simic as a fit for her. But thats a great point.
I can see Kiora fitting if she helped make big monsters. Something to do with joining creature's abilities maybe, Γ‘ lΓ {Experimental Kraj}.
One question I have is, is Merfolk weren't on Rav last time we were there, how did they suddenly appear?
Quote from: BlackJester on August 20, 2012, 08:37:20 PM
I can see Kiora fitting if she helped make big monsters. Something to do with joining creature's abilities maybe, Γ‘ lΓ {Experimental Kraj}.
One question I have is, is Merfolk weren't on Rav last time we were there, how did they suddenly appear?
That's why I think kiora will be in the Ravinca block. It could be how they get there.
XD She had them all imported?
The Merfolk could just be hiding underwater, fighting amongst themselves. Or Jace and Niz-Mizzet could convince them to join their team (the first 5 tribes in RtR). Also, Gideon is on Ravnica to warn them about the Eldrazi...
Or she could not be in the set at all...
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 09:25:02 PM
The Merfolk could just be hiding underwater, fighting amongst themselves. Or Jace and Niz-Mizzet could convince them to join their team (the first 5 tribes in RtR). Also, Gideon is on Ravnica to warn them about the Eldrazi...
Or she could not be in the set at all...
Eldrazi??? Please tell me you're not kidding.. I ξ’ Eldrazi
I'm almost certain that one of the few things we actually DO know about what's happening on Ravnica is that Gideon showed up to warn everyone about the Eldrazi. And that Jace is in control of the last remnants of the Infinite Consortium.
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on June 22, 2012, 06:34:43 PM
Has anyone seen this planeswalker spoiler from return to ravnica, I would say its convincing, but his ultimate is too easily achievable and too OP.
http://stillplayingmagic.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/the-first-return-to-ravnica-spoiler-is-a-planeswalker/
It uses the same art as the {Ith, High Arcanist} that i have from time spiral!
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
So you're saying {Tibalt, fiend blooded } is fake?
I call shinanigans!
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 20, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
So you're saying {Tibalt, fiend blooded } is fake?
Good point, but that photo has been around for a long time, and no one has a real reason to believe its true....and the photo is reused.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 20, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
So you're saying {Tibalt, fiend blooded } is fake?
Good point, but that photo has been around for a long time, and no one has a real reason to believe its true....and the photo is reused.
What's the photo from?
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 20, 2012, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 20, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
So you're saying {Tibalt, fiend blooded } is fake?
Good point, but that photo has been around for a long time, and no one has a real reason to believe its true....and the photo is reused.
What's the photo from?
It's {Ith, High Arcanist}...cropped.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 20, 2012, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 20, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
So you're saying {Tibalt, fiend blooded } is fake?
Good point, but that photo has been around for a long time, and no one has a real reason to believe its true....and the photo is reused.
What's the photo from?
It's {Ith, High Arcanist}...cropped.
Oh
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 20, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
It's a confirmed fake. His head sticks outside of frame, the artwork is recycled, and the card is OP
So you're saying {Tibalt, fiend blooded } is fake?
Good point, but that photo has been around for a long time, and no one has a real reason to believe its true....and the photo is reused.
I know
π
@dudecore
More eldrazi?? Think they'll be reprints of original el-titans or new runs of them?
I don't know If they'll go back to the Eldrazi well so soon, but it is Gideon's reason for being on Ravnica.
THere's no way that Ith is real, but I really like the idea of pull out timeshifted cards. Some of them came from the future, right? We should be seeing some of them now and then.
{ancient grudge}
Quote from: BlackJester on August 21, 2012, 01:47:08 AM
THere's no way that Ith is real, but I really like the idea of pull out timeshifted cards. Some of them came from the future, right? We should be seeing some of them now and then.
The "timeshifted" cards are all past cards the cards in "futuresite" were from the future. Semantics or I'm just trolling
Quote from: Rasser on August 21, 2012, 02:35:29 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 21, 2012, 01:47:08 AM
THere's no way that Ith is real, but I really like the idea of pull out timeshifted cards. Some of them came from the future, right? We should be seeing some of them now and then.
The "timeshifted" cards are all past cards the cards in "futuresite" were from the future. Semantics or I'm just trolling
Ravinica should bring back RIGGERS and CONTRAPTIONS!
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
Quote from: Thorn on August 22, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
ππ I'm such an idiot!
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/209
Quote from: Thorn on August 22, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
(http://popculturemonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/link-zelda-tp-1.jpg)
I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist...
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: Thorn on August 22, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
ππ I'm such an idiot!
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/209
Awesome plains art. And is that {Loxodon Gatekeeper}?
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: Thorn on August 22, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
ππ I'm such an idiot!
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/209
The Living Temples parts tends to lead to some man lands.
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 22, 2012, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: Thorn on August 22, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
ππ I'm such an idiot!
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/209
The Living Temples parts tends to lead to some man lands.
What I thought too
Lgs is doing preorders for RtR jus put in an order for 2 boxes n a fat pack today yay can't wait for oct now
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on August 22, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: Thorn on August 22, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 22, 2012, 02:34:38 AM
Great flavor article on Selesnya {G}{W} guild. Art spoilers, but no cards.
Link?
(http://popculturemonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/link-zelda-tp-1.jpg)
I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist...
Actually link is totes a mono white
Agreed
Does anyone know if {birds of paradise} is getting reprinted?
There was some speculation a while back, but I have not been keeping track of news.
Quote from: Cllzzrd on August 23, 2012, 02:53:12 PM
Does anyone know if {birds of paradise} is getting reprinted?
There was some speculation a while back, but I have not been keeping track of news.
It's possible that a Ravnica reprint is why it didn't get reprinted in M13. It's all speculation though until real spoilers start coming out.
Speaking of spoilers. When are they suppossed to start being spoiled?
Quote from: Rtace88 on August 23, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
Speaking of spoilers. When are they suppossed to start being spoiled?
Quote from: Rtace88 on August 23, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
Speaking of spoilers. When are they suppossed to start being spoiled?
2nd week of September is my guess.
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 23, 2012, 03:06:18 AM
Lgs is doing preorders for RtR jus put in an order for 2 boxes n a fat pack today yay can't wait for oct now
Can I have one
Rumor has it that {Lightning Helix} is coming back :D
Quote from: Gummuh on August 23, 2012, 06:27:14 PM
Rumor has it that {Lightning Helix} is coming back :D
Hopefully the rest also!
{elctrolyse} nomnomnomnom {snap caster Mage}
So the card found in an m13 pack has been announced as an official spoiler now! That's so broken! Populate is gonna overrun my local meta
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 24, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
So the card found in an m13 pack has been announced as an official spoiler now! That's so broken! Populate is gonna overrun my local meta
We dont know the others yet!
well we know scavenge at least.
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 24, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
So the card found in an m13 pack has been announced as an official spoiler now! That's so broken! Populate is gonna overrun my local meta
Seriously? Populate is real? Damnit why did I trade my {cackling counterpart}s away?
Quote from: Gorzo on August 24, 2012, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 24, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
So the card found in an m13 pack has been announced as an official spoiler now! That's so broken! Populate is gonna overrun my local meta
Seriously? Populate is real? Damnit why did I trade my {cackling counterpart}s away?
Yea man I'm glad I still have mine
Quote from: Gorzo on August 24, 2012, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Juggalonoke on August 24, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
So the card found in an m13 pack has been announced as an official spoiler now! That's so broken! Populate is gonna overrun my local meta
Seriously? Populate is real? Damnit why did I trade my {cackling counterpart}s away?
I got a playset on eBay for $2 took a trys but got them
Anyone see the Return to Ravnica gift box? Finally a place to store my common and uncommon play set!
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1039
I think someone linked it before.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2012, 04:40:57 PM
Anyone see the Return to Ravnica gift box? Finally a place to store my common and uncommon play set!
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1039
That box is quite beautiful... Damn you WotC!
There goes another $20... ;)
Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2012, 04:40:57 PM
Anyone see the Return to Ravnica gift box? Finally a place to store my common and uncommon play set!
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1039
2000 cards for $20? Thats more than 9 of each card in Rtr!
Quote from: izik99 on August 25, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2012, 04:40:57 PM
Anyone see the Return to Ravnica gift box? Finally a place to store my common and uncommon play set!
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1039
2000 cards for $20? Thats more than 9 of each card in Rtr!
It holds 2000. Comes with 4 packs and a promo
Ohhh,.. Crapola
nice job reading the regular sized print lol.
I love how the description specifically says for the promo "We're not going to tell you what Dreg Mangler does." lol.
I want that box though. Honestly the nice looking organizers and additional storage space alone make me want it, the 4 packs and an alternate art promo on top for $20 though? Sold!
Soo pretty. Must have
Anyone know when spoilers start?
should start in september
2nd week of September
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_streetspasm_4563lkoj35_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_dregmangler_9o1t3wycvq_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_korozdaguildmage_mubwkz8hlp_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_izzetcharm_5ozsxiwmed_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_goblinelectromancer_xhau9ljgi2_en.jpg)
Well I'm fappin
Check that [ deleted ] out!!!
http://www.magicspoiler.com/izzet-vs-golgari-duel-decks/
Please mind the language. Thank you.
~BlackJester
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 27, 2012, 12:39:13 AM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_streetspasm_4563lkoj35_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_dregmangler_9o1t3wycvq_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_korozdaguildmage_mubwkz8hlp_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_izzetcharm_5ozsxiwmed_en.jpg)
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_goblinelectromancer_xhau9ljgi2_en.jpg)
Seems like Delver is gonna be even better with Goblin Electromancer.
More spoilers will come out aug. 31- sep. 2 during Pax Prime in Seattle, Wa.
Im getting four of that duel deck... All those awesome golgari cards <3
screw saving money! I have graveyards to abuse!!
What does everyone think the most powerful guild will be with todays meta?
Quote from: izik99 on August 27, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
What does everyone think the most powerful guild will be with todays meta?
Izzet
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 27, 2012, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: izik99 on August 27, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
What does everyone think the most powerful guild will be with todays meta?
Izzet
Ya escpecially with delver
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 27, 2012, 09:09:57 AM
More spoilers will come out aug. 31- sep. 2 during Pax Prime in Seattle, Wa.
I'm so jeolous my buddy is going. π
What are duel decks? Are those cards going to be in standard. {brainstorm}????
Duel decks are two casual decks built to be played against each other. They have cards that you can use, but only in formats those cards are already legal in. Example, Jace vs Chandra had {Counterspell}s. You couldn't play them in Standard at the time, but you could play those in Legacy.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 27, 2012, 02:41:58 PM
Duel decks are two casual decks built to be played against each other. They have cards that you can use, but only in formats those cards are already legal in. Example, Jace vs Chandra had {Counterspell}s. You couldn't play them in Standard at the time, but you could play those in Legacy.
Dang! :(
Quote from: Harmon74 on August 27, 2012, 01:52:49 PM
What are duel decks? Are those cards going to be in standard. {brainstorm}????
Was about to ask the same question, {isochron scepter} would be great in today's standard. And I've always wanted to use {eternal witness} again, how about {life from the loam}?
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on August 27, 2012, 01:52:49 PM
What are duel decks? Are those cards going to be in standard. {brainstorm}????
Was about to ask the same question, {isochron scepter} would be great in today's standard. And I've always wanted to use {eternal witness} again, how about {life from the loam}?
None of the old guild mechanics are coming back. So no dredge.
Well after that preview i am now short one pair of underwear.... I have no regrets.
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
Quote from: Leviathan on August 27, 2012, 08:06:20 PM
Well after that preview i am now short one pair of underwear.... I have no regrets.
Sounds about right.
I am looking quite forward to this set. Especially after the meh of m13.
Quote from: Leviathan on August 27, 2012, 08:06:20 PM
Well after that preview i am now short one pair of underwear.... I have no regrets.
Seems Legit
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
The person on the playmat is the new Izzet Mage. If you look on wizards website for ravnica on each guild it shows the guild mage for each.
The "Izzet vs. Golgari" event deck is already pre-ordering for $25. This one is gonna shoot up I think. You can still get them from channelfireball for $20+shipping so if you're interested you should order it soon. {isochron scepter} and {life from the loam} are worth the $20, plus you get some other rad cards! I ordered 3.
Quote from: KangaRod on August 28, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
I think the spoilers should start next week, not the week after.
We are getting spoilers during Pax Prime which is Aug. 31- Sept. 2. Then we won't get any probably till the following Monday after Pax on spoiler week. As wizards calls it.
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
The person on the playmat is the new Izzet Mage. If you look on wizards website for ravnica on each guild it shows the guild mage for each.
Yah I no Bout the mages lol but u sir are wrong... That is not the guild mage on the mat. That is Ral Zarek himself http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/ (proof)
It is ral zarek and I can't wait to see what he does.
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
The person on the playmat is the new Izzet Mage. If you look on wizards website for ravnica on each guild it shows the guild mage for each.
Yah I no Bout the mages lol but u sir are wrong... That is not the guild mage on the mat. That is Ral Zarek himself http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/ (proof)
I am 100% sure that isn't ral. It doesn't even look like him also look at http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=442738
Each of them has a guild Mage spoiled on the page. If it was ral zarek why would they spoil his art so early?
Why not? Gives us something to talk about.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 28, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
Why not? Gives us something to talk about.
Because it would make one thing less epic to look forward to if you get me? Spoilers are supposed to entice you right upto the pre release. But anyways I honestly think it isn't. I really wish it was I love ral but I try not to get my hopes up for it :( but jester can't you use your {omniscience} to know the spoilers?
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
The person on the playmat is the new Izzet Mage. If you look on wizards website for ravnica on each guild it shows the guild mage for each.
Yah I no Bout the mages lol but u sir are wrong... That is not the guild mage on the mat. That is Ral Zarek himself http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/ (proof)
I am 100% sure that isn't ral. It doesn't even look like him also look at http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=442738
Each of them has a guild Mage spoiled on the page. If it was ral zarek why would they spoil his art so early?
That isn't the guildmage have u seen the guildmage for Izzet it's already spoiled. And I can guarantee u that's Ral and not the guildmage
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
The person on the playmat is the new Izzet Mage. If you look on wizards website for ravnica on each guild it shows the guild mage for each.
Yah I no Bout the mages lol but u sir are wrong... That is not the guild mage on the mat. That is Ral Zarek himself http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/ (proof)
Trust it's Ral and he's going to be on the reprint of prophetic bolt (possibly another spoiler card for RtR) and c'mon it's common sense, have u seen the Ral Zarek PW card...umm it's a match to the mat. And I would think Wizard would give champions the new boss PW on the mat than an Izzet guildmage(unless it's OP and very good like snapcaster)
Here is Ral in the wizard dual deck Izzet v golgari article, in the art for Prophetic Bolt
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Ffeature%2F210
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on August 28, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on August 27, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
I know there is no verified ral zarek PW, but the one that pops up on google search is pretty convincing, not too OP, legit looking at least
He is also on a art or some card I forgot the name it was a bolt of some sort and he is on the champion playmat I think he's the second walker
The person on the playmat is the new Izzet Mage. If you look on wizards website for ravnica on each guild it shows the guild mage for each.
Yah I no Bout the mages lol but u sir are wrong... That is not the guild mage on the mat. That is Ral Zarek himself http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/ (proof)
I am 100% sure that isn't ral. It doesn't even look like him also look at http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=442738
Each of them has a guild Mage spoiled on the page. If it was ral zarek why would they spoil his art so early?
Also that article states nothing about GUILDMAGES in each guild it's just new artwork for each guild
Recently wat I have been thinking from the previous links is let's say Ral is from the art that is supposedly the Izzet guildmage, then he won't be a PW and there might be another new PW not the merfolk she might be most likely in Gatecrash cuz of the merfolk invasion(lol) but this is another theory or option on spoilers for RtR
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 28, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
Why not? Gives us something to talk about.
Because it would make one thing less epic to look forward to if you get me? Spoilers are supposed to entice you right upto the pre release. But anyways I honestly think it isn't. I really wish it was I love ral but I try not to get my hopes up for it :( but jester can't you use your {omniscience} to know the spoilers?
HAHAHAHA! If I were omniscient, I'd know whether or not you are bein' sassy with me. π
Spoilers spoil. They give you the answer. Now "teasers" on the other hand hint at what's to come. (spoilers do this too, I know). We ALL know that Jace is coming, but what's intriguing is that we know nothing else. Giving us a little taste and makin us guess the rest is the fun part, and that's just what they are doing. The art we see with Jace and Niv, and Ral, are not going to end up on cards, so they aren't ruining anything. We still have no clue what Ral will do, but I'm certain that that is him in the pic.
Consider this pic of him from DotP:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DV-VrdnCdow/T3RlDlToMwI/AAAAAAAAAKI/8pqzEhn1oFQ/s1600/Ral_Zarek.jpg)
Sure looks like the same guy to moi. Also, looks like he's in Ravnica from the DotP pic too.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 29, 2012, 01:05:02 AM
Quote from: DevilGin on August 28, 2012, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 28, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
Why not? Gives us something to talk about.
Because it would make one thing less epic to look forward to if you get me? Spoilers are supposed to entice you right upto the pre release. But anyways I honestly think it isn't. I really wish it was I love ral but I try not to get my hopes up for it :( but jester can't you use your {omniscience} to know the spoilers?
HAHAHAHA! If I were omniscient, I'd know whether or not you are bein' sassy with me. π
Spoilers spoil. They give you the answer. Now "teasers" on the other hand hint at what's to come. (spoilers do this too, I know). We ALL know that Jace is coming, but what's intriguing is that we know nothing else. Giving us a little taste and makin us guess the rest is the fun part, and that's just what they are doing. The art we see with Jace and Niv, and Ral, are not going to end up on cards, so they aren't ruining anything. We still have no clue what Ral will do, but I'm certain that that is him in the pic.
Consider this pic of him from DotP:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DV-VrdnCdow/T3RlDlToMwI/AAAAAAAAAKI/8pqzEhn1oFQ/s1600/Ral_Zarek.jpg)
Sure looks like the same guy to moi. Also, looks like he's in Ravnica from the DotP pic too.
Thank you!π ...
3 for 1?
Is Proph bolt going to be in RtR?
Quote from: BlackJester on August 29, 2012, 10:52:10 AM
3 for 1?
Is Proph bolt going to be in RtR?
It's in the izzet duel deck so people be assumin'.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 29, 2012, 10:52:10 AM
3 for 1?
Is Proph bolt going to be in RtR?
And Ral is also in the art for that card
I just can't wait for Pax this weekend. We get more spoilers!
Quote from: KangaRod on August 29, 2012, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 29, 2012, 10:52:10 AM
3 for 1?
Is Proph bolt going to be in RtR?
Kill a creature/ steal 4 life - 1 card
(most of the time) draw a card - 1 card
at least, thats how I see it. Should've said 2 for 1 sorry
No worries, I thought I was missing something.
Of course, if you can catch an aura, it'd a 3-for-1.
I'm asking my buddy if he can get me some swag when he goes to PAX. (lucky devil. πΏ)
Not swag. Lol but izzet decks with {prophetic bolt}, {goblin electromancer} and delver? =.=" and snapcaster? Sheesh
I dont mean to come across as an ass :p but I just feel that if ral was released then what would jace be in terms of colours?
Quote from: DevilGin on August 29, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
I dont mean to come across as an ass :p but I just feel that if ral was released then what would jace be in terms of colours?
Azorious or mono blue.
Quote from: Maximo on August 29, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: DevilGin on August 29, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
I dont mean to come across as an ass :p but I just feel that if ral was released then what would jace be in terms of colours?
Azorious or mono blue.
This. I dont think you're being an π΄, you have a legit point. Personally, Jace has always felt like he had a slight {W} bend anyway. He's never copied spells, redirected abilities (hard to do with a PW), {Wheel of Fate} type. Nothing that overlaps {U}{R}.
I could be wrong and often am, but my spidey senses are telling me {W}{U} Jace, now that Venser is gone, and {R}{U} Ral.
I thought I heard somewhere jace was gonna be izzet colors.. Don't remember where.. Maybe a podcast or something on mtgsalv..
Too many {U} planeswalkers!
/random gripe.
Quote from: Greg54js on August 29, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
I thought I heard somewhere jace was gonna be izzet colors.. Don't remember where.. Maybe a podcast or something on mtgsalv..
I don't know if you can assume that just from his pic beside Niv, but it wouldn't blow my mind it that happened.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 29, 2012, 05:09:20 PM
Too many {U} planeswalkers!
/random gripe.
No argument with that. I just want my {R}{U} one and move on. ;)
Quote from: BlackJester on August 29, 2012, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on August 29, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
I thought I heard somewhere jace was gonna be izzet colors.. Don't remember where.. Maybe a podcast or something on mtgsalv..
I don't know if you can assume that just from his pic beside Niv, but it wouldn't blow my mind it that happened.
Not assuming from the pic.. I'll have to look and see where I heard/saw it
Sure! If there's new evidence to consider, I'd change my tune.
I'm just basing my opinion on what I know so far. Like ya do.
I believe jace will stay mono {U}. Of course I'm pulling for {U}{R} though. Cause then maybe he could end be Grixis colors one day. He does have ties to both {B}{R} trough liliana and Chandra, but this is wishful thinking though.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 29, 2012, 05:54:58 PM
I believe jace will stay mono {U}. Of course I'm pulling for {U}{R} though. Cause then maybe he could end be Grixis colors one day. He does have ties to both {B}{R} trough liliana and Chandra, but this is wishful thinking though.
Chandra hates me an the thing with Lily didn't work out...πͺ
Damn it Kallist...
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on August 29, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 29, 2012, 05:54:58 PM
I believe jace will stay mono {U}. Of course I'm pulling for {U}{R} though. Cause then maybe he could end be Grixis colors one day. He does have ties to both {B}{R} trough liliana and Chandra, but this is wishful thinking though.
Chandra hates me an the thing with Lily didn't work out...πͺ
Damn it Kallist...
Yeah. Lili is into some weird dark stuff... Crazy chicks are crazy.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 29, 2012, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on August 29, 2012, 05:09:20 PM
Too many {U} planeswalkers!
/random gripe.
No argument with that. I just want my {R}{U} one and move on. ;)
Well.. {U} has
{Venser, the Sojourner}
{Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas}
{Jace, Memory Adept}
And {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}.
{R}:
{Koth of the Hammer}
{Chandra, The Firebrand}
{Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded}
{B}:
{Sorin Markov}
{Lilliana of the Veil}
{Lilliana of the Dark Realms}
{W}:
{Gideon Jura}
{Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
{Sorin, Lord of Innistrad} (always felt more white to me)
And {Elspeth Tirel}.
{G} has
{Garruk, Primal Hunter}
{Garruk Relentless}
So really, everyone's doing fine besides Green, and you know we'll get at least one sweet green PW in Gatecrash.
{G}
{Garruk Wildspeaker}
{Nissa Revane}
{U}
{Tezzerate, the Seeker}
{R}
{Chandra Nalaar}
{Chandra Ablaze}
ξ
In standard...
Quote from: Maximo on August 29, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
In standard...
I'm more concerned with Vintage (aka every PW ever printed). πΎ
You're also missing on the "doubling up" of Tezzi, Sorin, Venser, not to mention Bolas' mysterious absence from the list.
And the best planes walker of all!!! {Sarkan Vol}!!!!!!
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 12:31:07 AM
Quote from: Maximo on August 29, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
In standard...
I'm more concerned with Vintage (aka every PW ever printed). πΎ
You're also missing on the "doubling up" of Tezzi, Sorin, Venser, not to mention Bolas' mysterious absence from the list.
Hurt durr forgot bolas
I don't think I know every single planeswalker though
Sarkan diddles dragons, jace will probably be mono blue, or UW, being RB jaces draw ability, which he always has one will take a looting effect and we already have a planeswalker in standard that does that. plus jace isn't really known to show affinity for the red side of thing, blue of course, white maybe, my call is jace is mono blue, ral is our new RU planeswalker, and the merfolk chick might be UG, cause in m13 merfolk have started to walk, ie talrand, and have taken up token making, ie talrand.
Don't forget {Karn liberated} mono {X} π
On a side note I really want ral to be real. The more I think about it RtR should have ral because of the money wizards could make. After dotp everyone was so excited about him so on wizards part it means more moneh :) and wizards like the moneh
I don't know if Ral will be pushing more than shock lands.
Thing is, if we get Jace {W}{U}, Ral {U}{R}, Kiora {G}{U}, and Gideon {R}{W}, that's three {U} aligned PWs in two blocks, on the heels of other strong {U} PWs.
Not that they wouldn't do it, but it does seem to shift the balance.
But what's the pool goin to look like post-RtR?
Either way there will be a lot of {U} PW in standard. Not that I'll complain about it. I'm a {U} Mage.
Maybe they'll trick us...
Ravinica is now corrupted. Mono {B} versions of all plainswalkers!!!! :D :D :D
They r making blue to over powered, it is unfair to people that don't really play blue. I'm sorry if I like playing something other than delver.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 30, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
Maybe they'll trick us...
Ravinica is now corrupted. Mono {B} versions of all plainswalkers!!!! :D :D :D
Where is it corrupted? From what I read the guilds reformed and wrote a new guild pack.
...to take over the world and rule it with black magic!!!
{U}{B} Dimir pulling the strings. π
Something just occured to me. Each guild is supposed to get a new keyword. WotC also said they will reprint an old keyword each set. Is a guild going to get an old keyword (new to the guild), or are we to actually expect 6 keywords in RtR? Discuss.
I dont know. I think itll just be something general like {Exalted} or similar that'll apply for all guilds.
We've already seen two guild abilities: Scavenge for Golgari, and Overload for Izzet.
Azorius, Selesnya, and Rakdos to see.
Im very curious about Orzhov and Dimir. But good things comes for those who wait, right?
Has anyone also thought that maybe the other planes walker besides jace will be a selesnya person? Yes, {U}{G} hasn't been done before but neither has {G}{W} either. Besides garruk primal, there really hasn't been a good green walker in a long time. So I think green is long overdue for a walker. I would definately appreciate it since I'm a {G}warrior. π
I thought about that! Or a RG one but figured the probably wont put both a RW and RG pw in gatecrash.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 03:55:12 PM
{U}{B} Dimir pulling the strings. π
Something just occured to me. Each guild is supposed to get a new keyword. WotC also said they will reprint an old keyword each set. Is a guild going to get an old keyword (new to the guild), or are we to actually expect 6 keywords in RtR? Discuss.
So what were the original keywords for the five guilds in RtR? From there we can base some speculation
Check Terms to Know. I listed them there.
I want {Nissa revae} back as golgari colors!
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
We've already seen two guild abilities: Scavenge for Golgari, and Overload for Izzet.
Azorius, Selesnya, and Rakdos to see.
Populate is selesnyas new mechanic.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 30, 2012, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
We've already seen two guild abilities: Scavenge for Golgari, and Overload for Izzet.
Azorius, Selesnya, and Rakdos to see.
Populate is selesnyas new mechanic.
Oh yeah...so that's one less keyword
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 30, 2012, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
We've already seen two guild abilities: Scavenge for Golgari, and Overload for Izzet.
Azorius, Selesnya, and Rakdos to see.
Populate is selesnyas new mechanic.
Assumimg that story is true. π
its true
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on August 30, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I want {Nissa revae} back as golgari colors!
Yes as long as she can be used outside of an elf deck. If not then I won't care as much.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
Check Terms to Know. I listed them there.
Okay so we know golgari got scavenge and izzet got overload. So what mechanics do you think they'll keep for the remaining three guilds in RtR?
Quote from: Greg54js on August 30, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
Check Terms to Know. I listed them there.
Okay so we know golgari got scavenge and izzet got overload. So what mechanics do you think they'll keep for the remaining three guilds in RtR?
Seslenaya or whatever is populate. Idk for the rest. Btw Rootbound Defenses was confirmed
Quote from: izik99 on August 30, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on August 30, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 30, 2012, 06:04:15 PM
Check Terms to Know. I listed them there.
Okay so we know golgari got scavenge and izzet got overload. So what mechanics do you think they'll keep for the remaining three guilds in RtR?
Seslenaya or whatever is populate. Idk for the rest. Btw Rootbound Defenses was confirmed
He sent it back to wizards and they gave him a selesnya poster signed by the team. It is so awesome you should check it out bj :)
He did WHAT?!? π±
I'd've framed that bad boy. (okay, maybe not...)
Soon enough it would have become just another card. He did the right thing ;)
He could have had it sealed and dated. That cards "famous".
It was marketing ploy by wizards to get more ppl to buy M13. M13 was one of its worse selling core sets. After this happened sells went up.
Alright, I'm very confident that Jace with be {U}{R} now. I joined the Planeswalker Points Izzet Guild, and lo' what do I see:
(http://media.wizards.com/ContentResources/Magic/PlaneswalkerPoints/Achievements/RAVNICA_GUILD_WINS_PROTOUR_Izzet_Art.jpg)
Doesn't get more Izzet than that!
So, maybe Ral will just be a creature.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
Alright, I'm very confident that Jace with be {U}{R} now. I joined the Planeswalker Points Izzet Guild, and lo' what do I see:
(http://media.wizards.com/ContentResources/Magic/PlaneswalkerPoints/Achievements/RAVNICA_GUILD_WINS_PROTOUR_Izzet_Art.jpg)
Doesn't get more Izzet than that!
So, maybe Ral will just be a creature.
I don't see any Izzet on him please explain to me cuz I'm confused???- to BlackJester
New keyword for rakdos and new spoiler creature for rakdos
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
Alright, I'm very confident that Jace with be {U}{R} now. I joined the Planeswalker Points Izzet Guild, and lo' what do I see:
(http://media.wizards.com/ContentResources/Magic/PlaneswalkerPoints/Achievements/RAVNICA_GUILD_WINS_PROTOUR_Izzet_Art.jpg)
Doesn't get more Izzet than that!
So, maybe Ral will just be a creature.
Wtf a jace that doesnt look an emo wank? I like it.
Must be the {R}. π
Super, just look at his red decals. It's possible, but unlikely, that he'll still be mono{U}.
Also, I got the pic from the Izzet Guild site, so...
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 06:12:01 PM
Must be the {R}. π
Super, just look at his red decals. It's possible, but unlikely, that he'll still be mono{U}.
Also, I got the pic from the Izzet Guild site, so...
Oh... Yah I had a feeling u wer going to see Izzet from the "buttons" but he has those same ones in the memory adept jace from m12 and m13 so... Idk he cud still be mono blue???
TouchΓ©!
I didn't notice them before. Foreshadowing? Core sets are designed along a later timeline than "Expert sets". They might have known the plan all along.
I doubt Jace will be red.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 07:48:37 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
I doubt Jace will be red.
Really? How come?
If planeswalkers change color that means it must be a major personality change for them. How is Jace red in any way?
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=134897&d=1346430641)
I don't like this mechanic.
Yeah, that guy is pretty much jank. Hopefully they reveal a fatty who can use Unleash to it's full potential.
Quote from: Gummuh on August 31, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
Yeah, that guy is pretty much jank. Hopefully they reveal a fatty who can use Unleash to it's full potential.
They'll probably find a cool way to use it, I hope.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 07:48:37 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
I doubt Jace will be red.
Really? How come?
If planeswalkers change color that means it must be a major personality change for them. How is Jace red in any
Ajani had two major personality changes (or one major temp one). π
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 06:51:17 PM
TouchΓ©!
I didn't notice them before. Foreshadowing? Core sets are designed along a later timeline than "Expert sets". They might have known the plan all along.
U sir are correct
Its a way to put a fresh twist on a player favorite. π―
Mark Rosewater said apparently Jace will be spoiled later today and that the next planeswalker will be FEMALE and one which we havent met before. (Jace is going to be spoiled at the PAX party).
I was really hoping for a better keyword for rakdos...
So we have unleash, populate, scavenge, and overload now. That leaves Azorious's keyword still to be spoiled? Or did I just miss it? This thread is big, after all.
Quote from: DevilGin on September 01, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Mark Rosewater said apparently Jace will be spoiled later today and that the next planeswalker will be FEMALE and one which we havent met before. (Jace is going to be spoiled at the PAX party).
So Kiora Atua?
Quote from: Gummuh on September 01, 2012, 07:29:47 AM
Quote from: DevilGin on September 01, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Mark Rosewater said apparently Jace will be spoiled later today and that the next planeswalker will be FEMALE and one which we havent met before. (Jace is going to be spoiled at the PAX party).
So Kiora Atua?
I imagine she's more likely to appear in gate crash or the 3rd part of the block, where simic is involved and shares her colors.
But if everything made sense in mtg printings M13 {wit's end} wouldn't have a typo, and tibalt wouldn't be getting featured in a duel deck right now.
Quote from: Gorzo on September 01, 2012, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 01, 2012, 07:29:47 AM
Quote from: DevilGin on September 01, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Mark Rosewater said apparently Jace will be spoiled later today and that the next planeswalker will be FEMALE and one which we havent met before. (Jace is going to be spoiled at the PAX party).
So Kiora Atua?
I imagine she's more likely to appear in gate crash or the 3rd part of the block, where simic is involved and shares her colors.
But if everything made sense in mtg printings M13 {wit's end} wouldn't have a typo, and tibalt wouldn't be getting featured in a duel deck right now.
Wheres the typo? I suck at proofreading
Quote from: Gorzo on September 01, 2012, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 01, 2012, 07:29:47 AM
Quote from: DevilGin on September 01, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Mark Rosewater said apparently Jace will be spoiled later today and that the next planeswalker will be FEMALE and one which we havent met before. (Jace is going to be spoiled at the PAX party).
So Kiora Atua?
I imagine she's more likely to appear in gate crash or the 3rd part of the block, where simic is involved and shares her colors.
But if everything made sense in mtg printings M13 {wit's end} wouldn't have a typo, and tibalt wouldn't be getting featured in a duel deck right now.
Where's the typo?
Flavor text. "Pathetic" is goofed. It's okay, it's a junk rare anyway
It's ok people! Not like anyone will use it
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on August 31, 2012, 02:11:31 PM
It was marketing ploy by wizards to get more ppl to buy M13. M13 was one of its worse selling core sets. After this happened sells went up.
Can you explain a little more on this anyone?
to increase sales they purposely do something "interesting" and once that happens everyone else starts buying hoping for the "interesting" thing.
So since the second planes walker is a female, maybe it's gunna be selesnya. OMG IM SO EXCITED!!!! {W}{G} for life!!!!! Some of my best decks are selesnya.
I bet its a golgari Nissa
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 01, 2012, 11:15:21 AM
I bet its a golgari Nissa
Its one we havent seen before :P
It'll probably by something along the lines of Tammy. A new character from a future plane. Or maybe a Lorwyn/Shadowmoor character.
Well during the Players Championship this past week. In the back ground during the matches they were showing new shock lands art. The art looks great.
Edit: Tcgplayer Facebook page posted it. It's the new art on the old cards. Seeing as how they haven't really spoiled them yet.
Looks like we're going to get a tonne of previews from the PAX mtg party. #excited!
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
Looks like we're going to get a tonne of previews from the PAX mtg party. #excited!
cant wait to see the mechanics!
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
Looks like we're going to get a tonne of previews from the PAX mtg party. #excited!
When is the PAX MTG Party?
Tonight. Don't have the exact time.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 07:42:57 PM
Tonight. Don't have the exact time.
Will their be a live stream if it to watch?
Magic PAX Party 7-11 PST. MaRo suggested to watch social media. (he'll be tweeting)
Where are the spoilers?!??
Quote from: Dudecore on September 01, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Where are the spoilers?!??
I agree. There is 19 pages of crap and 1-2 pages of actual cards. Makes it kinda hard to look at.
Shocklands confirmed. Excellent.
Thanks proph for organizing threads :D
and YAYYYYY SHOCKLANDS!!!!! = more damage dealt to my non-mono colored opponents! >:[D
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
Thanks proph for organizing threads :D
and YAYYYYY SHOCKLANDS!!!!! = more damage dealt to my non-mono colored opponents! >:[D
No problem.
New Jace too.. -2 fact or fiction?
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 01, 2012, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
Thanks proph for organizing threads :D
and YAYYYYY SHOCKLANDS!!!!! = more damage dealt to my non-mono colored opponents! >:[D
No problem.
New Jace too.. -2 fact or fiction?
Where are you getting this?!?!?!
New jace ability is leanin towards UB..anyone agree?
Shock lands text looks like it says 1 life? Or maybe that's what I want it to say?
Jace is 2{U}{U} with 4 loyalty counters. That's all I could see.
NIN LANDS!!!!!
No seriously you just read it wrong, it's blurry xD
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Jace is 2{U}{U} with 4 loyalty counters. That's all I could see.
Well, color me surprised.
Guess Ral Is still on the table.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Jace is 2{U}{U} with 4 loyalty counters. That's all I could see.
Well, color me surprised.
Guess Ral Is still on the table.
How can you tell its 2{U}{U}?
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Jace is 2{U}{U} with 4 loyalty counters. That's all I could see.
Well, color me surprised.
Guess Ral Is still on the table.
boom
Also, check the other thread guys.
HOLY MOTHER OF BEJEEBUS!!! I just saw the new cards and I.....
JIZZED. IN. MY. PANTS!!!!
Ok, I just saw new jace.
Looks pretty good.
WHAT?!? πΎπ¨π±π
This is insanity I tell you!!!
Spoilers seem to be dying down. Rumors are there's a Selesnya charm and new Azorius mechanic that I didn't get.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
WHAT?!? πΎπ¨π±π
This is insanity I tell you!!!
What part? The new cards or that this entire 22 page long thread of discussion is completely and utterly invalid now bc we have no f****** idea who the other planes walker is!!!!!
I'm very shocked that Ral is nothing more than a lowly {Nivix Guildmage}. π
Why does this one have a different expansion symbol?
http://twitter.com/maro254/status/242083904469741569/photo/1
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
Why does this one have a different set symbol?
http://twitter.com/maro254/status/242083904469741569/photo/1
Seems like a promotion.
+2/+2 and trample, exile creature with power 4 or greater, 2/2 white soldier token with vigilance
^ Selesnya charm, will get more info as it approaches
HOLY DHJSJSJSKSKMKE
...RAKDOS'S RETURN.......WTFFFdjjdmsm!!!!!!!!
Mono black, say hello to red, your next-door neighbore. He'll be helping with things around the yard ;)
Dujdjdn :D :D :D
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
Why does this one have a different expansion symbol?
http://twitter.com/maro254/status/242083904469741569/photo/1
That's because that might be gatecrash since the colors are gruul
I may be Izzet, but I'd rather party with Rakdos!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
HOLY DHJSJSJSKSKMKE
...RAKDOS'S RETURN.......WTFFFdjjdmsm!!!!!!!!
Mono black, say hello to red, your next-door neighbore. He'll be helping with things around the yard ;)
Dujdjdn :D :D :D
Mono Black: "Well first they better lend me some sugar, cause' I ain't giving up being mono for just anything"
Red: ok how about I let you make people discard BUTTLOADS UPON BUTTLOADS OF CARDS AND DEAL DAMAGE.....AT THE SAME TIME?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 10:57:51 PM
Red: ok how about I let you make people discard BUTTLOADS UPON BUTTLOADS OF CARDS AND DEAL DAMAGE.....AT THE SAME TIME?
I'll consider it ;)
So is detain the new keyword for azorius? It doesn't sound like a keyword.
Jace looks like jank. His first ability is nothing, and his second ability costs as much as {Fact or Fiction} but costs loyalty and is worse.
Oh well. His ultimate is decent, but I don't see it hitting constructed play.
Love the art and the confirmed shock lands! Rakdos ability seems weird. That one card they showed wasn't even vanilla, unless you use that ability and can't block anymore.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 01, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
So is detain the new keyword for azorius? It doesn't sound like a keyword.
It is. Until your next turn Two creatures are {Arrest}ed. Can't attack block or use activated abilities.
So.....many..spoilers, must.....change....pants
*dies*
@Dudecore, I think his +1 will be good vs swarm/tokens and I'd like it in FFA. I think as a whole he'd be better in multiplayer land.
Yah when I saw him I was like...if a plainswalker was ever meant for multiplayer, it's this one!
And yeah I have to confess, I am *so* glad that blue didn't get another playable plainswalker! :D Blue has enough already.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Yah when I saw him I was like...if a plainswalker was ever meant for multiplayer, it's this one!
And yeah I have to confess, I am *so* glad that blue didn't get another playable plainswalker! :D Blue has enough already.
But older Jaces are just so awesome :-\ And I don't normally play {U} lol
Quote from: Silent1236 on September 01, 2012, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Yah when I saw him I was like...if a plainswalker was ever meant for multiplayer, it's this one!
And yeah I have to confess, I am *so* glad that blue didn't get another playable plainswalker! :D Blue has enough already.
But older Jaces are just so awesome :-\ And I don't normally play {U} lol
M13 jace is better than this turd.
Dreadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 01, 2012, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on September 01, 2012, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Yah when I saw him I was like...if a plainswalker was ever meant for multiplayer, it's this one!
And yeah I have to confess, I am *so* glad that blue didn't get another playable plainswalker! :D Blue has enough already.
But older Jaces are just so awesome :-\ And I don't normally play {U} lol
M13 jace is better than this turd.
Memory Adept isn't all that bad, or are you just talking about the fact that they reprinted him?
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Deadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Link or it didn't happen. π
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 01, 2012, 11:17:52 PM
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Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Yah when I saw him I was like...if a plainswalker was ever meant for multiplayer, it's this one!
And yeah I have to confess, I am *so* glad that blue didn't get another playable plainswalker! :D Blue has enough already.
But older Jaces are just so awesome :-\ And I don't normally play {U} lol
M13 jace is better than this turd.
I agree but I almost pissed myself over the shock lands made the choice all my extra money is going into RtR preorder
Memory adept is pretty good.
The new is π©
I guess some ok points we're made vs token / swarm deck but other abIlities meh
Blue needs a useable planeswalker. He could have a little more deck manipulation then a weak {Fact or Fiction}. It's unfortunate, I was quite excited about having a planeswalker to help look through my deck.
His second ability should have been like.
-2 Scry 2, Draw one.
For 4 mana thats not OP, and it's not silly and barely usable like his current 2nd ability.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Deadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Link or it didn't happen. π
http://bit.ly/OLuPUS
"Blue needs a playable plainswalker"
???
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:24:58 PM
"Blue needs a playable plainswalker"
???
Tamiyo sucks. you didn't know that? :P
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:24:58 PM
"Blue needs a playable plainswalker"
???
They have {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} and {Jace, Memory Adept}.
Tamiyo is good, costs 5, she's very much a blue card. Her draw ability doesn't exactly play into a blue style, still good. Memory Adept is 5 mana, not amazing.
With Ponder rotating, blue could use a good, albeit costly setup card.
Tcgplayer's fb page just spoiled 11 cards including a new charm, jace, and it's official.. Shock lands are back!!
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Deadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Link or it didn't happen. π
http://bit.ly/OLuPUS
Thanks!
@dudecore Tammy's second on the heels of a {Sleep} can be huge!
Quote from: Danielkix on September 01, 2012, 11:39:14 PM
Tcgplayer's fb page just spoiled 11 cards including a new charm, jace, and it's official.. Shock lands are back!!
Totally late to the game
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:41:02 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Deadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Link or it didn't happen. π
http://bit.ly/OLuPUS
Thanks!
@dudecore Tammy's second on the heels of a {Sleep} can be huge!
It's not really a blue thing to be Aggro. Maybe u/w tokens they attack with token -tamiyo to draw cards? Most people tend to associate tamiyo with control and not Aggro.
T3-4 lingering souls t5 huge card draw? π
For 4 mana and a 2nd ability you can get a +1 +0 emblem for all your creatures with {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}, or +1 Target creature gets +3/+3 and gains flying until end of turn with {Elspeth, Knight-Errant}, {Lightening Helix} with {Ajani Vengeant}.
His -1/0 by turn 4, who is he protecting? Gimme {Forbidden Alchemy}, you dig deeper, costs less and you can keep the card you want.
New jace, 4 mana and -2 loyalty...you get 1 card. Junk. Next.
So making a Pack Rat deck!!!
From what I see, grixis control = PROFIT!??
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 01, 2012, 11:45:45 PM
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Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Deadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Link or it didn't happen. π
http://bit.ly/OLuPUS
Thanks!
@dudecore Tammy's second on the heels of a {Sleep} can be huge!
It's not really a blue thing to be Aggro. Maybe u/w tokens they attack with token -tamiyo to draw cards? Most people tend to associate tamiyo with control and not Aggro.
T3-4 lingering souls t5 huge card draw? π
Not sure what you're getting at.
Is it the same shock lands as before?
Quote from: smokin terry on September 02, 2012, 12:00:29 AM
Is it the same shock lands as before?
From what I see yes just new art
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Jace is 2{U}{U} with 4 loyalty counters. That's all I could see.
Well, color me surprised.
Guess Ral Is still on the table.
Nope, other one is a chick we haven't seen yet according to the players champion thread.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 01, 2012, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
Why does this one have a different set symbol?
http://twitter.com/maro254/status/242083904469741569/photo/1
Seems like a promotion.
+2/+2 and trample, exile creature with power 4 or greater, 2/2 white soldier token with vigilance
^ Selesnya charm, will get more info as it approaches
No, gtc
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/211
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:57:46 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 01, 2012, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:41:02 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 01, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 01, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Deadbore is awesome! {B}{R} sorcery destroy target creature or PW. Rare.
Link or it didn't happen. π
http://bit.ly/OLuPUS
Thanks!
@dudecore Tammy's second on the heels of a {Sleep} can be huge!
It's not really a blue thing to be Aggro. Maybe u/w tokens they attack with token -tamiyo to draw cards? Most people tend to associate tamiyo with control and not Aggro.
T3-4 lingering souls t5 huge card draw? π
Not sure what you're getting at.
Most people associate tamiyo in the control only aspect. so I was saying use her differently in a UW Aggro deck
Her second ability could be used well with a card like lingering souls (draw cards equal to # of tapped creature target player control)
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#
gossh son
Ewww commen dualies that come in tapped nooooooo!!!!!!! Lol
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 02, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/211
So there are not forest/swamp?
Quote from: smokin terry on September 02, 2012, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 02, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/211
So there are not forest/swamp?
Those no shock lands yes
Quote from: Juggalonoke on September 02, 2012, 12:13:16 AM
Ewww commen dualies that come in tapped nooooooo!!!!!!! Lol
I love these. They allow me a budget version of dual lands that I can add to my collection en masse.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 02, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#
gossh son
I am pleased. Can't believe they showed Jace already. Glad they confirmed the shock lands 100%.
Quote from: Juggalonoke on September 02, 2012, 12:13:16 AM
Ewww commen dualies that come in tapped nooooooo!!!!!!! Lol
Not only that but with that Gate subtype you can fetch it with that green defender card they spoiled.
Blood crypt and a Nightmare Horse..I like
I like the art on the basics lol
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 01, 2012, 11:51:06 PM
(https://p.twimg.com/A1wZfsvCAAA9ftf.jpg)
I am liking the Rakdos love!!!!
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 02, 2012, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Juggalonoke on September 02, 2012, 12:13:16 AM
Ewww commen dualies that come in tapped nooooooo!!!!!!! Lol
Not only that but with that Gate subtype you can fetch it with that green defender card they spoiled.
I was worried they were going to be strictly worse than the ZEN refuges. Then I saw they are doing something with the Gate subtype. π
Rakdos is looking much better than last time round. They were Le Suck.
@Kangarod, you owe me for the bet about Shocklands. I need the money to pay my lost bet about Jace. π
My god, I was gonna be sad there was no {Terminate} or anything, but then I saw {Dreadbore}... sorcery speed or not, two mana to deal with ANY planeswalker? Yes, PLEASE.
And by the by, does the art of the final Plains in the official image gallery look familiar to anyone else? ;)
Quote from: BlackJester on September 02, 2012, 12:51:55 AM
Rakdos is looking much better that last time round. They were Le Suck.
@Kangarod, you owe me for the bet about Shocklands. I need the money to pay my lost bet about Jace. π
Since your betting about me I'll take half the profits in the form of cards thank you π
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on September 02, 2012, 02:17:33 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 02, 2012, 12:51:55 AM
Rakdos is looking much better that last time round. They were Le Suck.
@Kangarod, you owe me for the bet about Shocklands. I need the money to pay my lost bet about Jace. π
Since your betting about me I'll take half the profits in the form of cards thank you π
Sure. And since I lost the bet, you're culpable and owe half the loss. π©π«
I'll take cash.
{restoration angel} is going to work great with Azorius and the EtB detain ability.
The last mountain was in Fire & Lightning premium deck, so I have a few foils :)
Should I do Azorious or Rakdos at the prerelease?
RAKDOSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: izik99 on September 02, 2012, 09:46:43 AM
Should I do Azorious or Rakdos at the prerelease?
Oh nvm. Meant Rakdos or Seslanya or ehatever.
Quote from: izik99 on September 02, 2012, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: izik99 on September 02, 2012, 09:46:43 AM
Should I do Azorious or Rakdos at the prerelease?
Oh nvm. Meant Rakdos or Seslanya or ehatever.
SELESNYA!!!!!!
I don't know if someone posted about this but I've seen some stuff about a card named
Jace, Architect of Thought
Quote from: SorinMarkovMinion on September 02, 2012, 09:59:21 AM
I don't know if someone posted about this but I've seen some stuff about a card named
Jace, Architect of Thought
-_-
Quote from: SorinMarkovMinion on September 02, 2012, 09:59:21 AM
I don't know if someone posted about this but I've seen some stuff about a card named
Jace, Architect of Thought
Tea it's real and it's bad.
I wonder if they r thinking about bringing back {Glimpse the unthinkable}
If they do, it will be in gatecrash with the Dimir guild
Opinions on new jace?
Quote from: Maximo on September 02, 2012, 01:26:14 PM
Opinions on new jace?
Still dislike. Not as much as memory. But I don't like it nearly as much as beleran.
Quote from: Maximo on September 02, 2012, 01:26:14 PM
Opinions on new jace?
He's a pigeon. In multiplayer terms, he likes being in big groups.
Otherwise, he's decent at keeping Selesnya and other token swarms in check.
One on one I'm unimpressed with his ultimate.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 02, 2012, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: Maximo on September 02, 2012, 01:26:14 PM
Opinions on new jace?
He's a pigeon. In multiplayer terms, he likes being in big groups.
Otherwise, he's decent at keeping Selesnya and other token swarms in check.
One on one I'm unimpressed with his ultimate.
I know ill be running a one of {omniscience} and {amass the components} in nearly every deck i put him in.
I'm excited about Azorius. {Cackling Counterpart}, using {W} populate cards and some disruption.
Esper all the way next block.
And new Jace kinda just sucks. He's inferior to {Jace, Memory Adept} and {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} (who is a game changer).
I like the new Jace a lot. He's going to get played, and I will love to run him in multiplayer.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 02, 2012, 04:03:28 PM
I like the new Jace a lot. He's going to get played, and I will love to run him in multiplayer.
I feel the same way. In the right control build using his ultimate means me stealing their best card and putting my best card on my side of the field. Thats a game ender.
"Hey, {Bribery} was fun, right? Lets make an ultimate using it!"
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 02, 2012, 04:18:33 PM
"Hey, {Bribery} was fun, right? Lets make an ultimate using it!
Yay!!!!
He has the two worst abilities for a 4 mana walker. His -1/0 can stop mana dorks and that's it. Even a Selesnya horde is more powerful.
His second ability draws 1-2 cards (maybe, mostly 1). If you use it twice youve gotten 2 cards for 4 mana (assuming no one swings at him before the 2nd).
His ultimate is the only decent thing and it is turn 9. I don't see it hitting constructed. 4 mana is a lot and he pretty much has to be coaxed into being playable.
It's fine, that's what walkers are. They're not game changers, {Jace, the Mind Scultpor} will never happen again, but there is a big difference between JtMS and a pretty boring, difficult to justify, 4 mana planeswalker that "MIGHT" change the game by turn 9.
Even in EDH, I'm keeping {Jace Beleren} instead.
{STEAM VENTS} WOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!
Kinda disappointed that jace is still mono color
I like the Azorious Charm into {Thoughtscour}, these charms are very flexible, love it.
anybody else love the 1/1 owl as much as I do?
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 02, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
anybody else love the 1/1 owl as much as I do?
YES!! turn one {cavern of souls} name bird!
I love the new U/W Judges Familiar. Sacrifice Judge's Familiar : Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays {1} .
{Cursecatcher} in standard!
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 02, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
anybody else love the 1/1 owl as much as I do?
Yup he is awesome. Totally going in my U/W {aether vial} deck that runs {spiketail hatchlings}. The vial turns those guys into instant counterspells that they don't see coming.
I really like the fellings I'm getting from Azorius. Seems like a lot of tempo cards just adding to the {Delver of Secrets}, {Geist of Saint Traft}, {Snapcaster Mage}, {Restoration Angel}. Delver won't even miss the swords, {Ponder} or {Mana Leak} at this point.
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
Yeah dude!!! I may have to switch from mbc to rakdos control because of that card. Just too good...
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
That and the {R}{B} destory target creature or planeswalker.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
Quote from: smokin terry on September 02, 2012, 08:04:31 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
That and the {R}{B} destory target creature or planeswalker.
Yeah! That one is freaking sweet too!
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 02, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 02, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 02, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 02, 2012, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 02, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 02, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
The sorcery speed is bad but pillar of flame is a sirecry also and people are trying to tell me it is good. I plan on running 3 dreadbore.
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 02, 2012, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 02, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 02, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
BUT, there is no 2 cmc kill spell after scars and m12 rotate.
{murder} is pooh
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 02, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
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Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
BUT, there is no 2 cmc kill spell after scars and m12 rotate.
{murder} is pooh
{Victim of Night} works in most situations.
Quote from: tsul25 on September 02, 2012, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 02, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
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Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
BUT, there is no 2 cmc kill spell after scars and m12 rotate.
{murder} is pooh
{Victim of Night} works in most situations.
Can it kill a planeswalker???
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
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Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 02, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
BUT, there is no 2 cmc kill spell after scars and m12 rotate.
{murder} is pooh
{Victim of Night} works in most situations.
Can it kill a planeswalker???
There are so many ways to get rid of planeswalkers. Burn, O-Ring, creatures. Also it's not like a planeswalker will be on the field all the time. O-Ring is
STRICTLY better.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
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Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
BUT, there is no 2 cmc kill spell after scars and m12 rotate.
{murder} is pooh
{Victim of Night} works in most situations.
Can it kill a planeswalker???
Never said it could. It is a 2 cmc kill spell though. I personally think dreadbore is great and would love to open a few up at the prerelease.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 02, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
I love the new U/W Judges Familiar. Sacrifice Judge's Familiar : Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays {1} .
{Cursecatcher} in standard!
Better than {Cursecatcher}, really! π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 02, 2012, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 02, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
I love the new U/W Judges Familiar. Sacrifice Judge's Familiar : Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays {1} .
{Cursecatcher} in standard!
Better than {Cursecatcher}, really! π
I agree, but not in a merfolk deck!!!!π
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 02, 2012, 10:25:50 PM
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Quote from: Harmon74 on September 02, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Anybody see the fireball/mindtwist? {B} {R} {X} target player takes {X} damage, and discards {X} cards.
I totally read this card as "target player discards X and, oh yea, take some danage too"
EXACTLY hahaha
I really think {Dreadbore} is quite bad because of its sorcery speed status.
BUT, there is no 2 cmc kill spell after scars and m12 rotate.
{murder} is pooh
{Victim of Night} works in most situations.
Can it kill a planeswalker???
There are so many ways to get rid of planeswalkers. Burn, O-Ring, creatures. Also it's not like a planeswalker will be on the field all the time. O-Ring is STRICTLY better.
Not when the o ring id removed. Also o ring costs 3 more.
{Oblivion Ring} costs {1} more.
I can just imagine using the familiar to disrupt ramp, cantrips etc.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 12:08:59 AM
{Oblivion Ring} costs {1} more.
Yeah sorry bout the mistake...was in a hurry
The problem with o-ring is that it can be destroyed. Dreadbore can permanently destroy a creature or PW where as o-ring cant.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 03, 2012, 01:22:59 AM
The problem with o-ring is that it can be destroyed. Dreadbore can permanently destroy a creature or PW where as o-ring cant.
O-ring can take out an enchantment or artifact though. I think they're both good. O-ring is a little more versatile, but has more drawbacks.
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Niv Mizzet has been spoiled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T.T
They are spoiling some good cards pretty early.
Quote from: KangaRod on September 03, 2012, 02:47:43 AM
{oblivion ring} is a great card, and totally different than that new one spoiled. Which is also a great card
Who cares about O-Ring Niv Mizzet, Dracogenius has been spoiled!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: smokin terry on September 03, 2012, 02:50:26 AM
They are spoiling some good cards pretty early.
Or maybe these are the most boring cards in the set. ;)
Quote from: KangaRod on September 03, 2012, 03:07:52 AM
Yeah, and i think he's even better than the old one. Cool looking card, and great for commander
HOLY POOP!!
Great thing is, you can have each one in play for instawin.
I don't know about you guys, but Azorius is looking mighty fine right about now.
New niz mizzet is totally playable!
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
Are those gunna be the guild leaders? I know niv is izzet. But is the sphinx gunna be Azz? And I wanna see the selesnya leader!!!
Im really digging the P/T CMC of Niz. Repeatable Draw mechanic for {U}{R}? Yes please!
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 03, 2012, 01:47:45 PM
Are those gunna be the guild leaders? I know niv is izzet. But is the sphinx gunna be Azz? And I wanna see the selesnya leader!!!
Yes isperia is the new azorius guild leader
The actual cards are nice and all... But you gotta admit that the basic land art is looking Amazing!
Is anyone else a grammar Nazi like me and bothered by the fact that it's "Rakdos's Return" and not "Rakdos' Return" like it should be?
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
Is anyone else a grammar Nazi like me and bothered by the fact that it's "Rakdos's Return" and not "Rakdos' Return" like it should be?
YES
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
Is anyone else a grammar Nazi like me and bothered by the fact that it's "Rakdos's Return" and not "Rakdos' Return" like it should be?
YES
An otherwise awesome card spoiled by a small grammatical error.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
Is anyone else a grammar Nazi like me and bothered by the fact that it's "Rakdos's Return" and not "Rakdos' Return" like it should be?
YES
An otherwise awesome card spoiled by a small grammatical error.
Rakdos is his name, it's written right.
So of the 3 guild leaders spoild so far, which one do u guys think will have the highest price?
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 03, 2012, 03:58:46 PM
So of the 3 guild leaders spoild so far, which one do u guys think will have the highest price?
Niv
Probably Jarad because he seems the most playable of the bunch. The rest are 6 mana in what seems like a faster meta. They'll be fringe {Unburial Rites} targets, but they'll cost somewhere around Gisela
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 03, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
Is anyone else a grammar Nazi like me and bothered by the fact that it's "Rakdos's Return" and not "Rakdos' Return" like it should be?
YES
An otherwise awesome card spoiled by a small grammatical error.
Rakdos is his name, it's written right.
It's written Rakdos's. Its supposed to be Rakdos'
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 03, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
Is anyone else a grammar Nazi like me and bothered by the fact that it's "Rakdos's Return" and not "Rakdos' Return" like it should be?
YES
An otherwise awesome card spoiled by a small grammatical error.
Rakdos is his name, it's written right.
It's written Rakdos's. Its supposed to be Rakdos'
Only if it was refering to the guild, but it's refering to the demon lord guild leader named "rakdos" so the format is: NAME's so Rakdos's is correct but sounds wrong.
It's legit. See "rule 2", it can go either way.
http://m.grammarbook.com/punctuation-rules/apostrophes.aspx
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 04:06:01 PM
It's legit. See "rule 2", it can go either way.
http://m.grammarbook.com/punctuation-rules/apostrophes.aspx
So we're both right.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 04:06:01 PM
It's legit. See "rule 2", it can go either way.
http://m.grammarbook.com/punctuation-rules/apostrophes.aspx
So we're both right.
LOL
I'd say you were wrong to say it was wrong. π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 03, 2012, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 04:06:01 PM
It's legit. See "rule 2", it can go either way.
http://m.grammarbook.com/punctuation-rules/apostrophes.aspx
So we're both right.
LOL
I'd say you were wrong to say it was wrong. π
π
Edit: Guess it just depends on how it was taught. I was always taught that the extra "s" wasn't needed if there was already an "s" at the end. That's how I teach it to my students. Learn something new everyday!
Quote from: KangaRod on September 03, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Christ why is grammar so complicate?
You like magic, but grammar's complexities get to you?
Grammar issues aside, how awesome is Rakdos's Return?
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 03, 2012, 03:07:52 AM
Yeah, and i think he's even better than the old one. Cool looking card, and great for commander
HOLY POOP!!
Great thing is, you can have each one in play for instawin.
Wait what ?!?! I'm confused on this ruling :(
I am thinking they will reprint {remand}. There are no really great counterspells and this one has a draw back which I think WotC is doing a lot of lately....pretty much they are telling us no more free counterspells. I just really hope they reprint it!!!
The old one lets you ping when you draw, the new one let's you draw when you ping. Draw a card and then you draw and ping until either they die or you run out of cards.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 07:19:37 PM
The old one lets you ping when you draw, the new one let's you draw when you ping. Draw a card and then you draw and ping until either they die or you run out of cards.
It would result in a tie, because I saw in the rules that if a combo is infinite, with no way for the player who cast it to stop it or make it not technically infinite, the game is a draw.
Quote from: izik99 on September 03, 2012, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 07:19:37 PM
The old one lets you ping when you draw, the new one let's you draw when you ping. Draw a card and then you draw and ping until either they die or you run out of cards.
It would result in a tie, because I saw in the rules that if a combo is infinite, with no way for the player who cast it to stop it or make it not technically infinite, the game is a draw.
The new Niv says "...you MAY draw a card." You can stop if you want, so you won't kill yourself.
Also, in a case like this, the triggers use the stack. This means that the state is checked between each step and the loop would kill a player then they would die during the loop.
Quote from: DevilGin on September 03, 2012, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 03, 2012, 03:07:52 AM
Yeah, and i think he's even better than the old one. Cool looking card, and great for commander
HOLY POOP!!
Great thing is, you can have each one in play for instawin.
Wait what ?!?! I'm confused on this ruling :(
One is Niv-mizzet the firemind
The other is Niv-mizzet Dracogenius.
Different names hence why there can be 2 Nivs out at the same time.
See {Mikaeus, The Lunarch} and {Mikaeus, The Unhallowed}.
Legend rule is different from Planeswalker rule.
True story bro π³
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 03, 2012, 07:18:17 PM
I am thinking they will reprint {remand}. There are no really great counterspells and this one has a draw back which I think WotC is doing a lot of lately....pretty much they are telling us no more free counterspells. I just really hope they reprint it!!!
Idk, I think WotC wants us to embrace {Dissipate}
{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = ππππ
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = ππππ
Snappy will get banned before it rotates. Mark my words.
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = ππππ
Snappy will get banned before it rotates. Mark my words.
Not so sure about that. Although its a possibility, I'm not sure if they will do it. If they don't, they better not give Blue a slew of new good cantrips/low mana spells
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = ππππ
Those cards are already in the same format....modern. And it's not running rampant in that format. Standard maybe a smaller format I think RtR will give us more variety.
Well so far for counters we have Izzet Charm (Great card IMO) and the UW Cursecatcher with flying. I guess we will see what else we get as times go on
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 03, 2012, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = ππππ
Those cards are already in the same format....modern. And it's not running rampant in that format. Standard maybe a smaller format I think RtR will give us more variety.
There's a wider array of viable counters in Modern. Come PT RTR the only playable counters may well be limited to {Dissipate}, {Negate} and {Rewind}.
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 03, 2012, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 03, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = ππππ
Those cards are already in the same format....modern. And it's not running rampant in that format. Standard maybe a smaller format I think RtR will give us more variety.
There's a wider array of viable counters in Modern. Come PT RTR the only playable counters may well be limited to {Dissipate}, {Negate} and {Rewind}.
I wouldn't be surprised of {Essence Scatter} Saw some sideboardage for going against humans (most run little/no Non-creatur non-lands)
The reason I say Snappy will get banned is because {Gobline Electromancer} will break it.
Quote from: Gummuh on September 03, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
The reason I say Snappy will get banned is because {Gobline Electromancer} will break it.
Nah, he'd just force another color. Snappy is splashable.
I know they are both together in Modern, but there is a much larger card pool to consider. I should have said Standard. He was bad enough (though not broken) with {Mana Leak}.
Woah!!!! worldspine wurm 15/15 for 11 dies get three 5/5s put into gy shuuffle in and trample wow!!!
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Nevermind that {dryad militant} is so great! So useful in so many decks!
That card is so good!!!!
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/211
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Nevermind that {dryad militant} is so great! So useful in so many decks!
That card is so good!!!!
Whats it do? I havent seen it
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/4xfhqpt6ek_en.jpg
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Nevermind that {dryad militant} is so great! So useful in so many decks!
That card is so good!!!!
Snapcasters least favorite card?
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Nevermind that {dryad militant} is so great! So useful in so many decks!
That card is so good!!!!
That is a amazing card to go against snap. I am so happy.
Havoc festival looks to be a fun card.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135265&d=1346731271
Only complaint I'm hearing about dryad militant is very easy to get rid of
Quote from: Danielkix on September 04, 2012, 12:42:34 AM
Only complaint I'm hearing about dryad militant is very easy to get rid of
Just give it hexproof ({boots of swiftness}) and dryad is golden.
Quote from: Rtace88 on September 04, 2012, 12:48:47 AM
Quote from: Danielkix on September 04, 2012, 12:42:34 AM
Only complaint I'm hearing about dryad militant is very easy to get rid of
Just give it hexproof ({boots of swiftness}) and dryad is golden.
{swiftfoot boots}
Quote from: Danielkix on September 04, 2012, 12:59:47 AM
Quote from: Rtace88 on September 04, 2012, 12:48:47 AM
Quote from: Danielkix on September 04, 2012, 12:42:34 AM
Only complaint I'm hearing about dryad militant is very easy to get rid of
Just give it hexproof ({boots of swiftness}) and dryad is golden.
{swiftfoot boots}
Ha! Thank u for correcting me, but yes that card lol.
In all seriousness, that 15/15 wurm is no joke. He may not see a TON of standard play, but someone will find a way to break it. Not only that, but it's gonna make a gigantic splash in commander
Quote from: Danielkix on September 04, 2012, 12:59:47 AM
Quote from: Rtace88 on September 04, 2012, 12:48:47 AM
Quote from: Danielkix on September 04, 2012, 12:42:34 AM
Only complaint I'm hearing about dryad militant is very easy to get rid of
Just give it hexproof ({boots of swiftness}) and dryad is golden.
{swiftfoot boots}
The only problem with that is that M12 rotates as soon as RtR comes out. So no boots.
It's another Snapcaster hoser. You'll be able to out tempo him, and we'll find he counters your own strategy too. Populate and other cards will be exiled from your graveyard too.
WotC just needs to ban {Snapcaster Mage} already and stop wasting our time.
Can someone put a link to Worldspine Wurm?
Quote from: Prophylaxis on September 02, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#
gossh son
Link bump
I still haven't seen this wurm. It's not on there.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 04, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
I still haven't seen this wurm. It's not on there.
www.magicspoiler.com
Will anybody check out my vampire edh deck I posted it on commander
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
I posted the link to the wurm on the last page
Since populate cards seem pretty cheap that worm is gonna be pretty good if you can get it out at all
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
Quote from: BlackJester on September 04, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
Ach, Hans, run, it has trampelschaden!
Quote from: Gorzo on September 04, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 04, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
Ach, Hans, run, it has trampelschaden!
I laughed at this
Quote from: BlackJester on September 04, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
English text is at the bottom
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 04, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 04, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
Ach, Hans, run, it has trampelschaden!
I laughed at this
ditto! π
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 04, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 04, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
Ach, Hans, run, it has trampelschaden!
Feck I Lol'd in front of these chicks that are making dinner for me an my buddy's right now and used "stupid nerd humor" as my defense
Lol
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 04, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 04, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Bapr on September 04, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/lotleth-troll/
Gravecrawlers buddy.
Ich spreche kein Deutsch. π©πͺ
Ach, Hans, run, it has trampelschaden!
Feck I Lol'd in front of these chicks that are making dinner for me an my buddy's right now and used "stupid nerd humor" as my defense
You just have to sing π΅ "I'm nerdy and I know it!"π΅ ~LMFAOROFLCOPTER!
Went back a few pages and didn't see. Did they list the guild leaders for each pack on the prerelease.
Lotleth Troll is interesting, but probably not my style. I like the Gravejumper better.
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
I'm starting to think this is gonna be one of the craziest sets of OP'd magic cards of all time. I can't stop thinking about how insane the few cards we've seen so far are
I love how each guild is OP. I truly think that in a spike utopia, I'd love to live in, the more insanely playable and powerful cards that exist, the more the line between "tier 1 deck" blurs. The more home brew that can exist the better, because the difference between top tier and "trash" will be the person playing the deck.
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
I'm starting to think this is gonna be one of the craziest sets of OP'd magic cards of all time. I can't stop thinking about how insane the few cards we've seen so far are
What cards are OP? New jank Jace?
The current meta is a couple of decks, probably 10. It's not Caw-Go or Stoneblade era magic (which represents one of the lowest points in Meta history). But it's not what could be referred to as "rich". If all these cards are OP, but don't really converge color-wise, we will have a richer meta comprised of more cards were "comfortable" playing as opposed to "having" to play because those are strictly the best cards.
If the Magic triforce works, it works. We could find our way into a meta as rich and healthy as Legacy. Optimism is on overdrive for me! I love all of the spoiled cards, with the exception of new Jace, the playability and benefits are incredible.
Even the new guild leaders are equivalent to the Titans, they reward guild play dual color playstyle as opposed to mono playstyle.
Quote from: Gummuh on September 04, 2012, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
I'm starting to think this is gonna be one of the craziest sets of OP'd magic cards of all time. I can't stop thinking about how insane the few cards we've seen so far are
What cards are OP? New jank Jace?
First question: Rakdos's Return, the new Miz, Dreadbore, a whole lot of other stuff
Second question: No.
Quote from: Gummuh on September 04, 2012, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on September 04, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
I'm starting to think this is gonna be one of the craziest sets of OP'd magic cards of all time. I can't stop thinking about how insane the few cards we've seen so far are
What cards are OP? New jank Jace?
I like how they're not afraid to let Azorius have priority cards, disruption cards, tempo cards.
They haven't been afraid to allow Izzet to loot and have powerful burn cards.
So far they've spoiled cards that allow these color combinations to "do what they do". They're not trying to stranglehold the meta, and dictate what it does. These cards say "you wanna run tempo? Good luck beating all of these opposing tokens". For now, pending any broken decks using Innistrad cards, these guilds are prepared to fight each other. These guilds haven't been "well blue has been so powerful for so long, let's nerf it and give it no functional counters", it's a fresh start and it looks amazing.
Woah. "-7 put threeZa 1/1s if they deal damage to a playeer they losr the game" i was like "what the ****" when i saw it.
Holy ****
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/211
Look at the card neer the bottom. Its madness
Golgari pw is faptastic...sweet!
That's crazy! Just... Crazy!
{G}{B} gets one of the best PW!
I can see her getting banned
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Jeesh. And slaughter games is just a better surgical extraxtion (except the cost...)
Omg. I want to order 3 now.
Yusss, shocklands are only $10-$15 on starcity
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 05, 2012, 12:36:44 AM
Yusss, shocklands are only $10-$15 on starcity
I may order some once I get paid.
Vraska is already 35-40 on ebay
Nuts. She is nuts. Seriously.
Let's consider the drawbacks.
Costs 3GB.
...
That's all I got...
Quote from: Inaja on September 05, 2012, 12:54:51 AM
Let's consider the drawbacks.
Costs 3GB.
...
That's all I got...
Well green also has ramp so.. Ya.
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: Inaja on September 05, 2012, 12:54:51 AM
Let's consider the drawbacks.
Costs 3GB.
...
That's all I got...
Well green also has ramp so.. Ya.
We're all screwed.
Quote from: Inaja on September 05, 2012, 01:05:54 AM
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: Inaja on September 05, 2012, 12:54:51 AM
Let's consider the drawbacks.
Costs 3GB.
...
That's all I got...
Well green also has ramp so.. Ya.
We're all screwed.
At least venser's -1 is gone and Gideon. That shows they are thinking.
Printing {birds of paradise} in RTR would make green pretty crazy too.
Quote from: Falcon182 on September 05, 2012, 01:16:10 AM
Printing {birds of paradise} in RTR would make green pretty crazy too.
I'm still hoping.
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on September 05, 2012, 01:16:10 AM
Printing {birds of paradise} in RTR would make green pretty crazy too.
I'm still hoping.
According to a friend who has a "reliable" source inside magic, they won't be :/
Quote from: Danielkix on September 05, 2012, 01:25:23 AM
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on September 05, 2012, 01:16:10 AM
Printing {birds of paradise} in RTR would make green pretty crazy too.
I'm still hoping.
According to a friend who has a "reliable" source inside magic, they won't be :/
Don't ruin my dreams!!!!!
HOLY F***
What if you used populate to make a bazillion peathtouch tokens!!?!?!?!!
What is "peathtouch"?
PLAYER-DEATHTOUCH!!!
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 05, 2012, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 05, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
I can see her getting banned
::)
π
Banned, no.
I really don't. 3 1/1s are preaty easy to kill. At least they don't have death touch. Her plus will make oppents wait a little but to attack but then agian her ultimate all you have to do is block a 1/1.
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 05, 2012, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 05, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
I can see her getting banned
::)
π
Banned, no.
I really don't. 3 1/1s are preaty easy to kill. At least they don't have death touch. Her plus will make oppents wait a little but to attack but then agian her ultimate all you have to do is block a 1/1.
POPULATE!!!!
Quote from: Danielkix on September 05, 2012, 01:25:23 AM
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on September 05, 2012, 01:16:10 AM
Printing {birds of paradise} in RTR would make green pretty crazy too.
I'm still hoping.
According to a friend who has a "reliable" source inside magic, they won't be :/
I would be very surprised if they didn't.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2012, 01:56:19 AM
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 05, 2012, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 05, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
I can see her getting banned
::)
π
Banned, no.
I really don't. 3 1/1s are preaty easy to kill. At least they don't have death touch. Her plus will make oppents wait a little but to attack but then agian her ultimate all you have to do is block a 1/1.
POPULATE!!!!
Junk tokens would be good.
Yodog I heard {bonfire of the damned} is a pretty good card that can get rid of Hexproof creatures, planeswalkers, and errthing else (cEpt prot red cards duh)
I will say this, T4 (or less with ramp) {Doubling Season}, T5: {B}{G} Planeswalker with 10 loyalty counters that immediately pumps out 6 1/1 peathtouches (yes, I'm using that now. Thanks CV!) will be awesome-sauce!!π
Quote from: smokin terry on September 05, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 05, 2012, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 05, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
I can see her getting banned
::)
π
Banned, no.
I really don't. 3 1/1s are preaty easy to kill. At least they don't have death touch. Her plus will make oppents wait a little but to attack but then agian her ultimate all you have to do is block a 1/1.
1/1s r easy to block and kill...but what u r forgetting is that sense it's green u can ramp up to it by turn 3 and ult her by turn 5 so u could have a turn 6 win. It's not ideal I know, but depending on what people are playing they may or may not have the three blockers out to block all three. That is just my take on it. I think she is a really good card. She is not OP broken but still very good.
Although, I'd get rid of my bonfires for snap caster Mage x 4
π preeze
Uh who cares about that, they just wait till they have an opportunity and give just one of them trample.. gg
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 05, 2012, 02:20:36 AM
Uh who cares about that, they just wait till they have an opportunity and give just one of them trample.. gg
{Artful Dodge}
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 02:33:32 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 05, 2012, 02:20:36 AM
Uh who cares about that, they just wait till they have an opportunity and give just one of them trample.. gg
{Artful Dodge}
Jeeze such a buzzkill... Go ahead and point out the obvious choice sheeeeesh lol
Jk. I mean I was thinking green and trample. But yeah it's like you have to deal with them immediately or lose so you have to wonder at all times what the heck can you do if they pull some shananigans
BEWARE!! I'VE GOT SOME 1/1 TRAMPLERS! THEY'RE GONNA GETCHA!
Sorry, I'm full of sass at the mo'. π
But definately if you can slip one past the goalie with {Lure} or {Revenge of the Hunted} then that'd be choice.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 03:12:30 AM
BEWARE!! I'VE GOT SOME 1/1 TRAMPLERS! THERE GONNA GETCHA!
Sorry, I'm full of sass at the mo'. π
But definately if you can slip one past the goalie with {Lure} or {Revenge of the Hunted} then that'd be choice.
Si lure Would most likely work best I was also thinking rancor because you don't really lose it on the token
Maybe I shouldn't give all my secrets away but {lightning prowess} would seal the deal
And if it wasn't such a bad equip cost
{wolfhunters quiver} would be perfect
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 05, 2012, 03:31:01 AM
Maybe I shouldn't give all my secrets away but {lightning prowess} would seal the deal
And if it wasn't such a bad equip cost
{wolfhunters quiver} would be perfect
Nope. It says combat damage. {Whispersilk cloak} is a better bet. Shroud and unblockable. Bam. Game over.
Quote from: Cindjor on September 05, 2012, 03:47:37 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 05, 2012, 03:31:01 AM
Maybe I shouldn't give all my secrets away but {lightning prowess} would seal the deal
And if it wasn't such a bad equip cost
{wolfhunters quiver} would be perfect
Nope. It says combat damage. {Whispersilk cloak} is a better bet. Shroud and unblockable. Bam. Game over.
Ah poop I Only read it twice lol
I like the idea of rancor though. That would most likely get one damage in.
Quote from: Rtace88 on September 05, 2012, 04:18:29 AM
I like the idea of rancor though. That would most likely get one damage in.
Which is why {rancor} got reprinted in m13! And then you have all the scavenge effects to make that 1/1 assassin bigger. Then one {G} for the {rancor}...gg everyone.
Cards to stock up on:
{Mutilate}
{Flames of the Firebrand}
{Chandra's Fury}
So yeah that walker is insane but it's like liliana of the veil. Most don't use her ultimate. Even same with jace-tms. It's her first and second abilities that will win u games. Plus one and kill some stuff or {malestrom pulse} for two turns. Again it's good like liliana is good in standard. Her ultimate is great and all but unless u just Mutilate with good removal in hand those 1/1 aren't gonna hit. Unless ur playing {rancor}
Think they'll print some 1/1 black assassin token cards??
Yeah
I like that she is the first PW with an ultimate that says this happens you will the game. Other PW's win games, but none have said that.
This appears to be the most playable Walker in a long time. It is about 400 billion times better then {Jace, Jank of the Universe} (who interestingly enough can prevent those things from dealing damage, but his Ultimate not nearly as cool, and much much harder to get to)
Approved
Man, I really want to find a way to make {Jace, Architect of Thought} work!
Quote from: Inaja on September 05, 2012, 09:54:22 AM
Man, I really want to find a way to make {Jace, Architect of Thought} work!
Bant turbo fog with {Gideon Jura} in a multiplayer game. Best I can do.
Updated post-rotation PW list
Color count is based on how many time that mana color appears. Excluding Bolas.
{U}-{3}
{Jace, Memory Adept}
{Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}
{Jace, Architect of Fail}
{B}-{4}
{Liliana of the Veil}
{Liliana of the Dark Realms}
{W}-{3}
{Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
{R}-{3}
{Chandra, the Firebrand}
{Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded}
{G}-{3}
{Garruk, Primal Hunter}
{Garruk Relentless // Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}
Boros - {W}{R} - New Gideon
Simic - {U}{G}
Izzet -{U}{R}
Dimir - {U}{B}
Azorius - {U}{W}
Gruul - {R}{G}
Selesnaya - {G}{W}
Orzhov - {B}{W} - {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
Golgari - {B}{G} - {Vraska the Unseen}
Rakdos - {B}{R}
{B}{U}{R} - {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
You know, new jace could get played and probably won't be that bad. I think his +1 blows. But his 2nd and 3rd ability are pretty darn good.
Jace will see casual and maybe EDH. You get nearly no value out of him in constructed, and even limited, if you open a pack and find him? Ehhh...might pass
I really like the golgari PW but I gotta say 40$ for it Pre RTR drop isn't worth it. She'll be around 20$ before you know it.
Thank goodness she has 1 {B} in her casting cost
And +1 for {liliana of the veil} comment. People were probably say OMFGLOLWIZARDSMAKESBROKENPWAGAIN
^in reference to ultimate.
I don't think too many people saw Liliana as broken, they were probably excited. I didn't like new {Liliana of the Dark Realms} and still don't. This new PW looks truly powerful. She can protect herself, she has a usable ability worthy of being a card itself, and an ultimate that is worth achieving.
Not comparing her to {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} but he's so OP because he has infinite {Brainstorm} and a -1 {unsummon}. He's playable beyond belief.
This new creature has a decent, albeit not game changing +1. Starts with 5 loyalty and can -3 and destroy any non-land permanent, including another PW. The only drawback is mana cost.
Along the same lines as the liliana comment: I agree, and also she seems to be like the new ajani in that her ultimate pumps out a number of creatures that either win you the game next turn or die and do not win you the game.
Just like ajani, little miss medusa will sit around 20 in due time.
I was really hoping the planeswalker would be selesnya. ππ
But this one looks insane. I might go golgari at prerelease for her.
I can see {G}/{B}/{W} tokens being fairly strong with populate, this walker, {sorin, lord of innistrad}, {innagible virtue}, {lingering souls}, and the golgari guildmage.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
I can see {G}/{B}/{W} tokens being fairly strong with populate, this walker, {sorin, lord of innistrad}, {innagible virtue}, {lingering souls}, and the golgari guildmage.
Thragtusk, Restoration angel too
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
I can see {G}/{B}/{W} tokens being fairly strong with populate, this walker, {sorin, lord of innistrad}, {innagible virtue}, {lingering souls}, and the golgari guildmage.
Also white has that new populate function...that new G/W guy that has p/t equal to creatures in play and populates when dealing damage to an opponent would be great in your deck idea
Stock up on {Parallel Lives}?
There's a new RtR creature that does the doubling counter thing. I'm sure it's straight green but I just thought it'd work well will scavenge but like Black jester first said with the planeswalker counters, get 10 loyalty and get those assassins out ASAP!
Quote from: Cindjor on September 05, 2012, 01:19:51 PM
There's a new RtR creature that does the doubling counter thing. I'm sure it's straight green but I just thought it'd work well will scavenge but like Black jester first said with the planeswalker counters, get 10 loyalty and get those assassins out ASAP!
It won't affect the PW cuz the card says when a creature enters the battlefield.
Yep. Here, {Doubling Season} is THA SAUCE!
They're better reprint an artifact similar to {Ratchet Bomb}, because things are gonna get crazy quickly.
I'm sure most guilds will have their own answers to the threats of other guilds.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
I can see {G}/{B}/{W} tokens being fairly strong with populate, this walker, {sorin, lord of innistrad}, {innagible virtue}, {lingering souls}, and the golgari guildmage.
I'm gonna go with jund{B}{G}{R} myself. The new troll and PW, nighthawk, zombies, and bonfire. What's not to like about that.
I like how RtR is probably going to allow solid two or three colored decks. π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
I like how RtR is probably going to allow solid two or three colored decks. π
Isn't that kinda what guilds are about?
It's the three colors that makes me π.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
I like how RtR is probably going to allow solid two or three colored decks. π
or you know even 5 color
I think my first deck is gunna be {W}{G}{B} and then maybe a five color or rakdos
My Izzet, Azorius, and Golgari Pod deck will all get some updates. I do want to make a {W}{G}{B} token deck as well....maybe a token/exalted deck.
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 05, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
I like how RtR is probably going to allow solid two or three colored decks. π
I have things goin on in my brain, I mean between guilded lotus and the chromatic lantern and a god awful lot of ramp/ramp creatures bolas will come out along with umburial rites seeing some heavy play.
or you know even 5 color
Might see {sudden disappearance} played now if tokens run rampant.
Quote from: Wally on September 05, 2012, 06:57:34 PM
Might see {sudden disappearance} played now if tokens run rampant.
6 CMC is a tough sell.....proly dead before you get it off. {sever the bloodline} works great on token spamming
I picked rakdos in the poll thread, and I'll stand by that, but I feel like they need a good guild leader to top it of. I look at the cards for rakdos and something feels like its missing.
Dose anyone follow magic on Facebook? If so I think they went stupid and semi spoiled the 2nd pw in the new cover photo they uploaded today... Could be wrong though
Quote from: Juggalonoke on September 05, 2012, 08:12:25 PM
Dose anyone follow magic on Facebook? If so I think they went stupid and semi spoiled the 2nd pw in the new cover photo they uploaded today... Could be wrong though
Theyve already spoiled it. So why would it matter?
Quote from: Juggalonoke on September 05, 2012, 08:12:25 PM
Dose anyone follow magic on Facebook? If so I think they went stupid and semi spoiled the 2nd pw in the new cover photo they uploaded today... Could be wrong though
Both pw's were spoiled as of midnight eastern time yesterday
I'm behind then lol what's the second?
A crazy golgari chick whos ultimate basically wins you the game. Its on dailymtg.com under shadows of prahv pt 2
Yea I just looked i think she's way to OP but I guess I'm going Golgari for prerelease
I am extremely disappointed in the new Jace. Looks like I'll just run Izzet Burn of Azorious Control. Also looking at Azorious Tokens with {W} Selensya Populate and {Crackling Counterpart} etc.
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on September 05, 2012, 09:41:58 PM
I am extremely disappointed in the new Jace. Looks like I'll just run Izzet Burn of Azorious Control. Also looking at Azorious Tokens with {W} Selensya Populate and {Crackling Counterpart} etc.
It's sad what you (jace) has evolved into
Jkjk
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 05, 2012, 08:16:47 PM
A crazy golgari chick whos ultimate basically wins you the game. Its on dailymtg.com under shadows of prahv pt 2
I only see her pic. Where's the card?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135302&stc=1&d=1346817949
For those who haven't seen it.
One small perk of new pws is that it's harder to kill them with the uniqueness rule.
Ya jace will be easy. But the golgari chick. Yikes.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2012, 10:05:19 PM
One small perk of new pws is that it's harder to kill them with the uniqueness rule.
Please explain more
Quote from: Rass on September 05, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2012, 10:05:19 PM
One small perk of new pws is that it's harder to kill them with the uniqueness rule.
Please explain more
Planeswalker rule
{jace beleran} kills {jace the mind sculptor}
(they are both put into the graveyard)
I thought that always happened. That how I played
There is only one version of the new planeswalker there are 4 jace now
5 new cards on mtg salvation. Two more "cant be countered" cards. Im losing some hope for izzet with all these uncounterables.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 06, 2012, 12:41:24 AM
5 new cards on mtg salvation. Two more "cant be countered" cards. Im losing some hope for izzet with all these uncounterables.
More blue hate "this can't be countered" bullcrap
I am losing hope for Izzet too might go to golgari they just spoiled a BG golgari instant that pops any nonland card that has a CMC 3 or less and it can't be countered by spells and abilities
WTF?!?!?! o.O
C'mon Niv gimme something... Throw me a freaking bone!!!
I can really see myself making a "mono swamp control" deck out of this set...4 blood crypt, 4 overgrown tomb, 1 dragonskull summit, 1 woodland cemetery, 12 swamps. = 22 lands.
Toss in slaughter party or w/e, rakdos's return, the new 3cmc or less instant, dreadbore, the new BG plainswalker (a 1 or 2 of at most)...maybe I'll keep liliana of the veil in, we'll see. I'll probably need some lanterns for mana fixing plus ramp. And mutilate for board wipes. This could turn into something cool. :)
Im excited for:
T1-forest mana dork
T2-forest, lanturn
T3-forest, door to nothingness
T4-good game
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 06, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
Im excited for:
T1-forest mana dork
T2-forest, lanturn
T3-forest, door to nothingness
T4-good game
U will still need 5 more mana to crack the door...
I'm surprised no one is talking about the Wurm. Hello there, mr. 15/15 that breaks into 5 5/5s when it dies and shuffles to the library when it hits the GY. Massive mana cost sure, but that's a fun little surprise to {omniscience} or {show and tell}. Or use the {sneak attack} + {ooze garden} combo that was posted recently in combos :P
Quote from: Gorzo on September 06, 2012, 01:52:28 AM
I'm surprised no one is talking about the Wurm. Hello there, mr. 15/15 that breaks into 5 5/5s when it dies and shuffles to the library when it hits the GY. Massive mana cost sure, but that's a fun little surprise to {omniscience} or {show and tell}. Or use the {sneak attack} + {ooze garden} combo that was posted recently in combos :P
3
That GB pw.... I could never have been happier <3
After tonight's spoilers I will most definitely be playing Jund in standard.
Edit: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135345&d=1346904576
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135341&d=1346904113
Other spoilers of the night:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135342&d=1346904113
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135340&d=1346904113
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135344&d=1346904541
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 06, 2012, 04:13:55 AM
After tonight's spoilers I will most definitely be playing Jund in standard.
Edit: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135345&d=1346904576
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135341&d=1346904113
Other spoilers of the night:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135342&d=1346904113
I started after the reign of terror jund brought and dont play modern much, im not looking foreward to it being strong in standard.
Abrupt Decay is AMAZAING in legacy.
Sweet o ring killer! That non counterable wrath is badass!
Hands down the best card in this set so far is the chromatic lantern omg its 2 mana (3 normally but it taps for mana) to make all your lands tap for anything. I want a play set off the bat.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 06, 2012, 07:38:24 AM
Sweet o ring killer! That non counterable wrath is badass!
Those are two I'm looking forward to as well.
Quote from: Cal8301 on September 06, 2012, 07:48:00 AM
Hands down the best card in this set so far is the chromatic lantern omg its 2 mana (3 normally but it taps for mana) to make all your lands tap for anything. I want a play set off the bat.
I plan on running 3.
Anybody seen {slitherhead} yet? G/B 1 drop 1/1 salvage for 0.
Definitely running slitherhead over {Diregraf Ghoul}.
The art work is really cool.
Quote from: smokin terry on September 06, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
The art work is really cool.
Hey smokin Terry. Can you pm me? I haven't received a pm in a couple of days. I wanna see if I'm having some kind of issue.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 06, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: smokin terry on September 06, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
The art work is really cool.
Hey smokin Terry. Can you pm me? I haven't received a pm in a couple of days. I wanna see if I'm having some kind of issue.
You are... Apps not telling us when we get pm now
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 06, 2012, 04:13:55 AM
After tonight's spoilers I will most definitely be playing Jund in standard.
Edit: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135345&d=1346904576
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135341&d=1346904113
Other spoilers of the night:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135342&d=1346904113
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135340&d=1346904113
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135344&d=1346904541
Anyone else notice the text on Guild feud is a little off.
It's the very last link.
Quote from: Ghebert on September 06, 2012, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 06, 2012, 04:13:55 AM
After tonight's spoilers I will most definitely be playing Jund in standard.
Edit: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135345&d=1346904576
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135341&d=1346904113
Other spoilers of the night:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135342&d=1346904113
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135340&d=1346904113
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135344&d=1346904541
Anyone else notice the text on Guild feud is a little off.
It's the very last link.
Ya it's almost written as if you'd say it, not the normal text writing style. "You do the same...." doesn't sound right. It seems like a hoax.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 06, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: smokin terry on September 06, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
The art work is really cool.
Hey smokin Terry. Can you pm me? I haven't received a pm in a couple of days. I wanna see if I'm having some kind of issue.
Just sent one.
They probably needed to fit it in the box.
I π the fact that they can say "they fight each other" and it makes perfect "rules sense"! Gooey with flavor! :-9
Ikr!!!
It's both a very technical term with an exact meaning, yet powerfully descriptive and not technical sounding at all! :D
I like the technical termonology better. Seems to vibe better with the game then this dumbed down wording.
Yea I had to read {guild feud} a couple times
I'm so saving up to get a booster box.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 06, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
I like the technical termonology better. Seems to vibe better with the game then this dumbed down wording.
Dumbed down?
"fight" carries with its own set of rules that a player has to learn. Deathtouch factors in, first strike and double strike don't. It's not combat damage, even though it seems like it should be.
Terms like fight, dies, battlefield, exile are making the rules more flavorful while reducing the number of words printed on the card. Fewer words means that more abilities can make it on a card. They are pretty intuitive, but players still need to learn a new term.
This card would never have made it to print if "fight" didn't exist, and I'm happier for it.
Even if it IS dumbing down, Magic needs a little from time to time because each set, each keyword, each card printed adds that much more complexity to the game. They're trying to be mindful of complexity creep. It's not like they are turning it from Chess to Checkers here.
/nerd-rant
Quote from: BlackJester on September 06, 2012, 02:28:37 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 06, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
I like the technical termonology better. Seems to vibe better with the game then this dumbed down wording.
Dumbed down?
"fight" carries with its own set of rules that a player has to learn. Deathtouch factors in, first strike and double strike don't. It's not combat damage, even though it seems like it should be.
Terms like fight, dies, battlefield, exile are making the rules more flavorful while reducing the number of words printed on the card. Fewer words means that more abilities can make it on a card. They are pretty intuitive, but players still need to learn a new term.
This card would never have made it to print if "fight" didn't exist, and I'm happier for it.
Even if it IS dumbing down, Magic needs a little from time to time because each set, each keyword, each card printed adds that much more complexity to the game. They're trying to be mindful of complexity creep. It's not like they are turning it from Chess to Checkers here.
/nerd-rant
That wasn't the part I was referring to. It was the "you do the same..." that I don't like. It sounds like they are talking to us and not relaying steps.
Yeah that part was a little odd.
Sorry Quackmaster. π
I hear complaints about dumbing down all the time. It was a knee-jerk rant.
I've seen "do the same" on other cards, though I can't think of one off the top of my π.
That new Wurm costs 11 mana? Christ.
Mana well spent!
{Elvish Piper} FTW! π
Since Vraska got soiled, pre-order prices jumped $10 per box! Crazy! I ordered 2 booster boxes and 2 fat packs at the lower price so Hopefully I make good.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 06, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
Sorry Quackmaster. π
I hear complaints about dumbing down all the time. It was a knee-jerk rant.
I've seen "do the same" on other cards, though I can't think of one off the top of my π.
No problemo. π
I love the word fight! It makes cards like {magus of the arena} so much easier to explain!!!
But as for the part I don't like, I've heard it before but only when explaining a card. Not literal text. That's my issue.
{Warp World} is the closest I could find.
Back to RtR...
It's gotta be something they do when running out of space on the card. Writing it any other way would be too wordy and wouldn't fit.
Can't be countered board wipe? I just had an EDH embolism.
And guild fued sounds fun. I can't wait for someone to cast it on me and I dish out a {deadly recluse}. Go ahead, play your guild master for free, buddy! I dare ya!
So, peeps..what do you think about the 4cmc uncounterable board wipe and uncounterable 2 cmc kill anythig under 3 cmc for other formats? I can see huge impact in modern..?? What say yΓΈΕ«?
Each guild gets one uncounterable rare. Poor, poor {U}. π
^crocodile tears^
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 06, 2012, 07:50:29 PM
So, peeps..what do you think about the 4cmc uncounterable board wipe and uncounterable 2 cmc kill anythig under 3 cmc for other formats? I can see huge impact in modern..?? What say yΓΈΕ«?
Love them. Going to run a couple of each.
I feel there is a reason they haven't leaked any blue... I'm very afraid
{Who needs to counter}
Split second
"target player can't tap mana to play instant or sorceries" this turn
Loxodon smiter.. HNNNNNNG
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135372&stc=1&d=1346990652
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Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 07, 2012, 12:35:45 AM
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Omg. The luxodon. Omg. I'm caught between golgari and selesnya!!!!
As if a 4/4 for 3 CMC wasn't good enough....
Quote from: KangaRod on September 07, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
Blue can blow it out their anus. No more counter spells! Yay!
sorry respectable blue lovers .. but I second this π
I have a feeling blue will get an "exile target spell" counter to deal with all of these "can't be countered" deals.
Quote from: Gorzo on September 07, 2012, 04:32:02 AM
I have a feeling blue will get an "exile target spell" counter to deal with all of these "can't be countered" deals.
Yeah cuz it seems like they r not showing very much blue...so either they just said screw it we gave blue it's time to shine and now we don't care about it now, or they have big blue cards they r waiting to spring on us. I am betting on the second one.
I don't agree with "blue can finally take a back seat" sentiment. Blue strategy has rewarded patience and card advantage for awhile, which is why Izzet, Azorius, Dimir and Simic are the most popular guilds.
Players like playing blue, it's a playstyle, it's an important part of the game. Uncounterable spells are just silly, and it's not really what makes the game great.
I don't think that a few spells that can not be countered is going to kill blue. They even gave one to U/W. I would have loved to see this in the zendakar block then U\W Mirror matchs would matter be determend by who could keep they {sphinx of jwar isle} alive with their counter spells.
I like {syncopate}. That's a solid counter.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 07:29:03 AM
I don't agree with "blue can finally take a back seat" sentiment. Blue strategy has rewarded patience and card advantage for awhile, which is why Izzet, Azorius, Dimir and Simic are the most popular guilds.
Players like playing blue, it's a playstyle, it's an important part of the game. Uncounterable spells are just silly, and it's not really what makes the game great.
I agree with this. Uncounterable spells should not be part of this game. I think by doing this it makes the game easier for new players. "look you can play that card without any fear...just like yugiho".
Quote from: KangaRod on September 07, 2012, 11:12:19 AM
blue is unquestionably the best colour ever in the history of magic. It is simply because of its ability to counterspells and manipulate its library that makes it so.
They have to break the rules of card games to make it so that blue will not be the best colour; which is something I am not upset to see since I hate blue.
The greatest decks have been stopped by Blue. Turn 1 kills are stopped by {Force of Will}. Blue decks need to be able to counter, it's what they do. Standard will have {Dissipate} still, {Negate} and {Essence Scatter}. I don't see the benefit to not letting spells be countered, and not allowing blue to play its strengthens.
I'm not suggesting reprint {counterspell} or {mana leak} (although I don't understand why not). They're changing blue into tapping target creature, and that is fine, but it needs to be able to draw and counter too. There will be no shortage of burn spells, lose life/gain life, ramp, and good weenies.
Ok so all this talk about a few cards that cant be countered is making me wonder what you guys thought about how way overpowered thrun the last troll was going to be when he was first spoiled. How scared we're you guys about a 4/4 that is kinda hard to kill. I'm mean he sounds really op. I mean he must still be rampant. But he isn't. I actually never saw him in to many decks. people got around him with what ever they had in hand or on field. The new day will be used mainly against decks that don't run counters, then there is a new {smother} I guess you will lose a delver. The G/W rhino he doesnt have hexproof or regen. Any other ones I'm missing? To sum it up, how is blue going to die?
Sorry for the rant. But I just don't see how a few cards will kill an entire color.
I think this is setting up for some intense Izzet/Azorius Counterspell action. Or serious Snappy & {Judge's Familliar} hate.
I never understood why people get so upset about uncounterable cards. I just always thought "okay I have to test myself and figure out something different to take care of it." Isn't that what Magic is all about after all?
There's hate for everything in this set. Creature hate and spell hate and counterspell hate. Nobody should complain.
I plan for discard to be a part of my game plan this coming october. I won't complain about giving them a free 4/4. I'll just deal with the little bastard when he resolves.
Do you run esper control? Counter their spells and as for the uncounterable ones (like...all 4 of them), deal with them when they resolve. You play control. Be creative and don't squeal when you can't counter something. If you play grixis control you have no excuse. You have access to all the removal spells you want.
It's not the cards themselves, they're not invincible super cards that will change the game, it's the fact they exist that troubles me. I understand they want you to drop a cool 15/15 creature because thats fun and exciting for new players, but you're removing necessary strategy from the game.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 07, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
There's hate for everything in this set. Creature hate and spell hate and counterspell hate. Nobody should complain.
I plan for discard to be a part of my game plan this coming october. I won't complain about giving them a free 4/4. I'll just deal with the little bastard when he resolves.
Do you run esper control? Counter their spells and as for the uncounterable ones (like...all 4 of them), deal with them when they resolve. You play control. Be creative and don't squeal when you can't counter something. If you play grixis control you have no excuse. You have access to all the removal spells you want.
Exactly.
If you don't like the card, don't play it.
I think out of all the uncounterables, the rhino may reign supreme. The new DoJ can't be countered, but control usually isn't high on creatures anyways.
The rhino is good against blue AND black control. Pretty good. Plus it's like obliterator...more PT than the CMC. I wouldn't mind making a junk deck that lets you discard him to get him out early. Pox anyone?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 07, 2012, 01:36:47 PM
I think out of all the uncounterables, the rhino may reign supreme. The new DoJ can't be countered, but control usually isn't high on creatures anyways.
The rhino is good against blue AND black control. Pretty good. Plus it's like obliterator...more PT than the CMC. I wouldn't mind making a junk deck that lets you discard him to get him out early. Pox anyone?
You actually can't discard him via your own spell to cheat him into play, says spells opponents control. :)
And in terms of uncountable cards, this is why we have things like {Nevermore}... If you absolutely need to deal with it, there are ways in standard.
I'm just happy each guild has at least one (and there's only going to be one) answer to Snappy+{Syncopate}.
Please reprint a solid counterspell..please!
Syncopate is alright, but a 2 cmc hard counter would be nice.
{Syncopate} <3
i just love cards with {X} in the cost AND sassy art ;D
It's not the cards themselves, they're not invincible super cards that will change the game, it's the fact they exist that troubles me. I understand they want you to drop a cool 15/15 creature because thats fun and exciting for new players, but you're removing necessary strategy from the game.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
It's not the cards themselves, they're not invincible super cards that will change the game, it's the fact they exist that troubles me. I understand they want you to drop a cool 15/15 creature because thats fun and exciting for new players, but you're removing necessary strategy from the game.
Not really at that point you have to SWITCH strategies
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 07, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Please reprint a solid counterspell..please!
Syncopate is alright, but a 2 cmc hard counter would be nice.
Syncopate is more splashable, which is good with RtR. Also exiles the card, which is good vs Golgari.
It's pretty effective considering most people nearly or completely tap out for spells in the first few turns.
So loxodon smiter is preselling for under $5, I thought it'd be a little higher.. {thundermaw hellkite} was also preselling really low and that spiked. Could we expect a price spike with this card and should I buy a couple at this price?
Quote from: Juggalonoke on September 07, 2012, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
It's not the cards themselves, they're not invincible super cards that will change the game, it's the fact they exist that troubles me. I understand they want you to drop a cool 15/15 creature because thats fun and exciting for new players, but you're removing necessary strategy from the game.
Not really at that point you have to SWITCH strategies
They're casting a spell. Counter it. Tough strategy. ;)
Adding uncounterables increases strategy to control deckbuilders because it forces you to include alternate answers.
Many answers to threats ({Doom Blade}, {Oblivion Ring}...) have limits. {Counterspell} can answer almost any threat, big or small, because practically every deck casts spells. The only things that come to mind that {U} doesn't have an immediate answer for are lands and Thrun.
{U} needs more weaknesses to improve balance IMHO.
Quote from: Testset on September 07, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: Danielkix on September 07, 2012, 02:44:34 PM
So loxodon smiter is preselling for under $5, I thought it'd be a little higher.. {thundermaw hellkite} was also preselling really low and that spiked. Could we expect a price spike with this card and should I buy a couple at this price?
Hmm, okay. As someone who plans selesnya, I guess I can still make room for it.
I doubt it, personally. Once he's in play, he can be dealt with, and his {1}{G}{W} cost is nearly un-splashable.
Personally I would be very happy of blue had a power loss. I DON'T Want deliver being just as good as before! Wizards needs to do something about the face that blue decks are just so good. The uncounterables aren't amazing, but most seem somewhat playable.
Uncounterables are necessary for a game like magic. destroy has regenerate and indestructible, targeted spells have have shroud and hexproof. burn has life gain etc. counterspells being the final answer in a game like magic is ridiculous, it being a game based on deck preparation.
Quote from: Testset on September 07, 2012, 06:14:10 PM
Split-Second was another anti-counter...
Based on the "need for an answer" argument, why aren't more people clamoring for a way to remove poison counters (short of {Leeches})? ???
or emblema for that matter
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 07, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
Uncounterables are necessary for a game like magic. destroy has regenerate and indestructible, targeted spells have have shroud and hexproof. burn has life gain etc. counterspells being the final answer in a game like magic is ridiculous, it being a game based on deck preparation.
Exactly.
Quote from: Guitello on September 07, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Personally I would be very happy of blue had a power loss. I DON'T Want deliver being just as good as before! Wizards needs to do something about the face that blue decks are just so good. The uncounterables aren't amazing, but most seem somewhat playable.
Ask anyone that has played cawblade how good delver is.
Edit.
Even more so after rotation with no swords to protect it.
Quote from: Testset on September 07, 2012, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 07, 2012, 06:20:10 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 07, 2012, 06:14:10 PM
Split-Second was another anti-counter...
Based on the "need for an answer" argument, why aren't more people clamoring for a way to remove poison counters (short of {Leeches})? ???
or emblema for that matter
Exactly!
I suspect it has most to do with the love/hate relationship with blue. When blue-haters build blue decks, it's almost always pure counters and bounces, totally ignoring everything else it has to offer. Everyone is shocked that my mono-blue has virtually no counterspells.
Let's not forget that it has few responses to artifacts and enchantments...
{U} =
β’The most challenging color to use.
β’The most irritating to fight (except MBC).
β’The most fun.
I was being semi-sarcastic, you stop emblems by pointing removal and keeping counters off a planeswalker. You stop infect creatures with removal and combat. you can hit both with counters.
just because there isn't a direct answer doesn't mean tere isn't one at all.
If the way for blue to handle threats, and have only unplayable counters, then blue needs more creatures.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=8983657#post8983657
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 07, 2012, 07:57:20 PM
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=8983657#post8983657
Should be playable in Limited. Can't say the same for constructed.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 07:55:24 PM
If the way for blue to handle threats, and have only unplayable counters, the. blue needs more creatures.
blue has bounce, flyers, tap downs, and card manipulation to more than makeup for not being able to counter.
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 07, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 07:55:24 PM
If the way for blue to handle threats, and have only unplayable counters, the. blue needs more creatures.
blue has bounce, flyers, tap downs, and card manipulation to more than makeup for not being able to counter.
Bounce doesn't stop ETB, no other color can (besides black and discard). Flyers cost too much, or are often underpowered. Card manipulation which is...? Put card on the top of opponents deck and {Index} which is a waste. Tapping creatures is cool, but the creatures you prevent from attacking you have to be attacked back with something substantial.
I'm not saying blue isn't good without counters, but it is a gigantic nerf. Blue used to bounce and counter returning creatures 2 cards that most colors can do with 1. Saving counter spells and the fear your opponent has that you "might" have a counter is part of the game. Having uncounterable everything then blue might as well not have counters and just better more playable creatures.
you're basing your assumptions on the opposing deck only having counter protected cards. i'm saying that if you counter what's counterable you can combat the damage done by the countersafe cards with your other utilities.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 07:55:24 PM
If the way for blue to handle threats, and have only unplayable counters, then blue needs more creatures.
Dude... 5 uncounterable cards allin different colors, that aren't all playable is in no way going to void counter spells. The only thing that makes/made people play a bit less counters is {Cavern of Souls}
I think wizards may be doing an experiment of some sort. They give stand a bunch of uncounterable cards and then give crappy counterspells like {syncopate} and {dissipate} is ok but it cost 3 CMC so it is not spectacular by any means. My point is that {U} has maintained a steady presence as the most dominant color in competitive play hands down. They are just seeing if hosing the color makes {U} less dominant.....and when you think about it, that would be considered bringing balance and not so much as hosing a color.
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 08, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
I think wizards may be doing an experiment of some sort. They give stand a bunch of uncounterable cards and then give crappy counterspells like {syncopate} and {dissipate} is ok but it cost 3 CMC so it is not spectacular by any means. My point is that {U} has maintained a steady presence as the most dominant color in competitive play hands down. They are just seeing if hosing the color makes {U} less dominant.....and when you think about it, that would be considered bringing balance and not so much as hosing a color.
They definitely need to balance blue and buff red a bit. And {Syncopate} isn't that bad! Early on it can be played as a {Daze} when people tap out, and late game can be cast for more. Also it exiles. That's always fun
Quote from: Guitello on September 08, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 08, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
I think wizards may be doing an experiment of some sort. They give stand a bunch of uncounterable cards and then give crappy counterspells like {syncopate} and {dissipate} is ok but it cost 3 CMC so it is not spectacular by any means. My point is that {U} has maintained a steady presence as the most dominant color in competitive play hands down. They are just seeing if hosing the color makes {U} less dominant.....and when you think about it, that would be considered bringing balance and not so much as hosing a color.
They definitely need to balance blue and buff red a bit. And {Syncopate} isn't that bad! Early on it can be played as a {Daze} when people tap out, and late game can be cast for more. Also it exiles. That's always fun
I think you mean "Not fun" ;D
I guarentee people will cry about {Syncopate} the moment they tap all their mana, stupidly, to cast something.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 08, 2012, 12:49:12 PM
I guarentee people will cry about {Syncopate} the moment they tap all their mana, stupidly, to cast something.
So your saying curving out is bad?
If someone has a counter spell/ you suspect they do, the newb mistake would just be to never play anything. One of the hardest concepts in magic is playing around counter spells, which often means running something into one
Quote from: Guitello on September 08, 2012, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 08, 2012, 12:49:12 PM
I guarentee people will cry about {Syncopate} the moment they tap all their mana, stupidly, to cast something.
So your saying curving out is bad?
If someone has a counter spell/ you suspect they do, the newb mistake would just be to never play anything. One of the hardest concepts in magic is playing around counter spells, which often means running something into one
Ya. Read Death Gaara's article on counters. It is very true and very informative. And it's helped me a heck of a lot against my friend who I hate bc he counters every god damn thing I play.
Curving out isn't stupid, but if have to leave 2 mana untapped to {mana leak}, why is it overpowered to ask you to keep 3 untapped? It's a soft counter.
Quote from: Guitello on September 08, 2012, 08:01:42 AM
Dude... 5 uncounterable cards allin different colors, that aren't all playable is in no way going to void counter spells. The only thing that makes/made people play a bit less counters is {Cavern of Souls}
This people! So much this!
We're talking a grand total of 5. Azorius is getting a friggin' hybrid {Cursecatcher} with wings! {U} counters are hardly getting the shaft here.
{B}{G} - destroy a small threat
{1}{G}{W} - 4/4 (okay, this guy's solid)
{2}{B}{R} - {Moricide} yay. π
{1}{W}{W}{U} - DoJ. Control is probably running this anyway.
{4}{B}{R} - kill everyone with exponential decay. π
Which one is concerning you folks?
{Syncopate} and {Dissipate} are good answers to gy tricks like Golgari, who are less concerned by hard counters.
But this is all coming from some joker who doesn't play Standard, so take it as you will. π
Quote from: Dudecore on September 08, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Curving out isn't stupid, but if have to leave 2 mana untapped to {mana leak}, why is it overpowered to ask you to keep 3 untapped? It's a soft counter.
because blue should have to do more than just no sell every spell that comes its way. and mana leaking turns 2-5 is very much a hard counter.
Quote from: scarsabrex on September 08, 2012, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 08, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Curving out isn't stupid, but if have to leave 2 mana untapped to {mana leak}, why is it overpowered to ask you to keep 3 untapped? It's a soft counter.
because blue should have to do more than just no sell every spell that comes its way. and mana leaking turns 2-5 is very much a hard counter.
Why should it work harder? Other colors can destroy creatures or exile them, they can even kill indestructible creatures with -1/-1 counters. Blue is the only way to interact with the stack by canceling spells before ETA effects, can't do anything about hex proof creatures once they hit the field (hardly anything can). How about black and it's ability to destroy everything, hardly seems fair, {doom blade} is a great spell, overpowered by the same standards.
If it weren't for {Snapcaster Mage} everyone's opinion would be different.
Anyway, back on topic. Anyone see the new Ultra Pro Return to Ravnica products?
Side load deckboxes for all 5 guilds, new binder, 5 playmats based on the new shock land artwork.
http://mtg-realm.blogspot.com/2012/09/rtr-ultrapro-line-up.html?m=1
Black can't destroy artifacts or enchantments.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 08, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
If it weren't for {Snapcaster Mage} everyone's opinion would be different.
But he exists so...
Quote from: BlackJester on September 08, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
Black can't destroy artifacts or enchantments.
And red can't destroy enchantments.
And blue doesn't have strong creatures.
And green doesn't have fliers, no real disruption.
And white has trouble drawing cards. All around color really.
I think we know that. Essentially a {Oblivion Ring} is a death sentence to black and red.
{Snapcaster Mage} is the problem, not blue. If you had 4 {Mana leaks} in your deck like you're supposed to, like everyone from M12 till Innistrad did (most didn't even play it) then you wouldn't say it was overpowered because your opponent couldn't possibly have draw enough of them to unbalance the game as much as you're claiming. Snapcaster doubles your instants and sorceries so it becomes more difficult to plan around him.
Yeah as a mono black player, I refer to enchantments as "emblems" lol
Just ban {Snapcaster Mage}, stop trying to hose him and stop trying to nerf blue. The war is over, Tiago Chan won. They've got to be sick of building cards that snappy won't abuse.
Blue does not have strong creatures????? {delver of secrets} disagrees
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 08, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Blue does not have strong creatures????? {delver of secrets} disagrees
Lol
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 08, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Blue does not have strong creatures????? {delver of secrets} disagrees
The origin of {Delver of Secrets} is that blue doesn't have good creatures. Zen - M12 - NPH, meta was U/W control, Valakut and RDW. No blue creatures. And if it werent for {Snapcaster Mage} you could deal with him like you would any other threat.
Snap mana leak I no longer a problem since cavern of souls exists... Infancy counter magic is significantly weakened because of that land and the fact that everyone plays it.
And besides {Disperse}, how doesn't blue really deal with Enchantments or Artifacts? It doesn't seem to have much permanent control.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 08, 2012, 09:56:39 PM
And besides {Disperse}, how doesn't blue really deal with Enchantments or Artifacts? It doesn't seem to have much permanent control.
{encrust}!!
Quote from: Testset on September 08, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 08, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
Black can't destroy artifacts or enchantments.
{Gate to Phyrexia} ;)
Yea yea yea. Three or so {B} cards from the early days. Nothing in a modern frame.
So any one see the new 4 drop 6/6 demon?
(Hoping this will get off the subject of how 5 out of almost 300 cards is going to kill a color in magic.)
No I did not. Why doesn't someone link it?
Lmao. I hear ya. Kinda fed up with this whining already.
Quote from: smokin terry on September 08, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
So any one see the new 4 drop 6/6 demon?
(Hoping this will get off the subject of how 5 out of almost 300 cards is going to kill a color in magic.)
Rip up your islands now! {U} is doomed... DOOOOOOOMED!
Quote from: smokin terry on September 08, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
So any one see the new 4 drop 6/6 demon?
(Hoping this will get off the subject of how 5 out of almost 300 cards is going to kill a color in magic.)
Links or it didn't happen!
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135444
I don't think he will be as good as the {abyssal persacutor}.
Edit.
Well second thoughts, he could be pretty good v. some decks.
I like it. Not a replacement for oblit, but a good start. ;)
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 08, 2012, 10:43:47 PM
I like it. Not a replacement for oblit, but a good start. ;)
Ya and I like the art work on it.
That's awesome!
Quote from: Testset on September 08, 2012, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 08, 2012, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 08, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 08, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
Black can't destroy artifacts or enchantments.
{Gate to Phyrexia} ;)
Yea yea yea. Three or so {B} cards from the early days. Nothing in a modern frame.
There is absolutely no Enchantment kill for {R} or {B} though, right?
{R} has {Red Elemental Blast} if it's {U}, but otherwise it can only take out enchantments randomly: {Capricious Efreet}, {Tyrant of Discord}, {Wild Swing} type things.
But enough about this.
{sleight of mind}+{blue elemental blast} omg {U} so overpowered
Quote from: Rass on September 08, 2012, 11:20:36 PM
{sleight of mind}+{blue elemental blast} omg {U} so overpowered
Back to the 6/6 for {2}{B}{B}.
To quote a famous clown: "I'm lovin' it!"
Quote from: BlackJester on September 08, 2012, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: Rass on September 08, 2012, 11:20:36 PM
{sleight of mind}+{blue elemental blast} omg {U} so overpowered
Back to the 6/6 for {2}{B}{B}.
To quote a famous clown: "I'm lovin' it!"
Yep love that one then {mind controll}
That what makes it fun every problem has a solution. I was just being a pain. It really reminds me of my EQ days when every class would complain how the other classes were better. Then they would nerd one and add something to another.
It's just like real life. Not everything is fair.
Wait what? xD
I actually find the demon to be amazing!
Yeah I'll probably run a solid 3 of the demon. The fact that I can even come close to compairing it with obliterator makes me kinda happy inside.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 09, 2012, 02:10:59 AM
Yeah I'll probably run a solid 3 of the demon. The fact that I can even come close to compairing it with obliterator makes me kinda happy inside.
Ya. Black is getting a replacement beatstick.
He seems pretty cool. I wonder if he'll hit constructed, pretty exploitable drawback to it. That's a lot of power though.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 09, 2012, 04:40:05 PM
He seems pretty cool. I wonder if he'll hit constructed, pretty exploitable drawback to it. That's a lot of power though.
{fervor} and flicker and he is ready to go. Maybe even the haste ring.
Gonna suck vs selesnya though
Yup and thanks to shockies, running mutilate in jund will be fine and dandy!
Selesnya Legend
{W}{W}{G}{G}
2/5
Whenever a creature yΓΈΕ« control etb, you gain life equal to toughness.
{T}{1}{G}{W} Populate
Fapptastic
Some other guy i forgot the name of
{U/R}
creature-elemental
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery you may put 2 +1/+1 counters on this guy (that spell doesnt resolve)
1/1
And the rakdos guild mage
{R}{B}
{R}{B} target blocking creature gets -1/-1 until the end of the turn
{R}{B} target opponent that lost life this turn looses 1 life
I dont remember the p/t or the creature type... Sorry
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 10, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
Some other guy i forgot the name of
{U/R}
creature-elemental
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery you may put 2 +1/+1 counters on this guy (that spell doesnt resolve)
1/1
Exile an instant or sorcery you control. Put 2 +1+1 counters on izzet guy
(spell doesn't resolve)
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135468&stc=1&d=1347249742
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135472&stc=1&d=1347250010
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135469&stc=1&d=1347249783
MUCH LOVE FOR THA IZZET DUDE!!!! ;D
Storm shenanigans! Anti-counter (sort of)!
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=446063
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 10, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
Some other guy i forgot the name of
{U/R}
creature-elemental
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery you may put 2 +1/+1 counters on this guy (that spell doesnt resolve)
1/1
It's called Nivmaugus Elemental and u have to exile the instant or sorcery not cast it to add 2 +1/+1 counters and it's a 1p/2t
And it's CMC is either U or R that's it and it's also a rare lol
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 10, 2012, 02:25:10 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 10, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
Some other guy i forgot the name of
{U/R}
creature-elemental
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery you may put 2 +1/+1 counters on this guy (that spell doesnt resolve)
1/1
It's called Nivmaugus Elemental and u have to exile the instant or sorcery not cast it to add 2 +1/+1 counters and it's a 1p/2t
And it's CMC is either U or R that's it and it's also a rare lol
It's also the first card in Chris's links.
Can he exile spells in the stack? Even your opponents?
The new one drop Izzet guy that is.
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 10, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Can he exile spells in the stack? Even your opponents?
The new one drop Izzet guy that is.
It's exile instant or sorcery you control to put counters on him. So you are countering your own stuff to make him bigger.
Someone gonna {Syncopate} your fatty? Suddenly, your one-drop is a 3/4!
Quote from: Maximo on September 10, 2012, 10:07:24 AM
Someone gonna {Syncopate} your fatty? Suddenly, your one-drop is a 3/4!
Yep. If your stuff is getting countered may as well get a bigger guy.
Quote from: Maximo on September 10, 2012, 10:07:24 AM
Someone gonna {Syncopate} your fatty? Suddenly, your one-drop is a 3/4!
Fatty? It's only for instants and Sorceries.
Well, then it won't be all bad when you lose your {Talrand's Invocation}.
Can you just exile it from your hand without casting it??
It isn't a spell when it's in your hand.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 10, 2012, 11:54:40 AM
Can you just exile it from your hand without casting it??
It's not a "spell" until it is being cast, it's just a "card" in your hand. Read {duress} for example.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 10, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
It isn't a spell when it's in your hand.
It's not? Cards that make you discard target instants and sorceries.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 10, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 10, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
It isn't a spell when it's in your hand.
It's not? Cards that make you discard target instants and sorceries.
Instant and sorcery cards, though. Not instant or sorcery spell. Notice {Counterspell} says counter target spell, not counter target card. And {Ravenous Rats} says discards a card, not discards a spell.
Quote from: Harmon74 on September 10, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 10, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
It isn't a spell when it's in your hand.
It's not? Cards that make you discard target instants and sorceries.
And they say "discard that CARD" not "discard that SPELL"
I think the elemental will be great for times when you try to {Murder} (or something) their {Fiend Hunter} and they flicker it with {Restoration Angel}. Instead of having your spell go to waste, you can just feed it to your guy.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 10, 2012, 12:17:08 PM
I think the elemental will be great for times when you try to {Murder} (or something) their {Fiend Hunter} and they flicker it with {Restoration Angel}. Instead of having your spell go to waste, you can just feed it to your guy.
This, for sure. It's a savior for a stack kill.
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Underworld Connections 1{B}{B}
Enchantment-aura
Enchant land
Enchant land has "Tap, pay 1life, draw a card"
YAYYYYYYYY
cool :D
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Underworld Connections 1{B}{B}
Enchantment-aura
Enchant land
Enchant land has "Tap, pay 1life, draw a card"
Kinda costly but really cool.
Maybe foreshadowing a {Underworld Dreams} for Dimir?
Quote from: Testset on September 10, 2012, 02:04:07 PM
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Underworld Connections 1{B}{B}
Enchantment-aura
Enchant land
Enchant land has "Tap, pay 1life, draw a card"
I predict this becoming a tournament staple. As well as sideboard {Ghost Quarter} to combat it...
Staple not so much, you lose a land for its ability, it does tap. Costs 3. But it jives well with {Liliana of the Dark Realms}. Card advantage is always sweet. It might see some play, seems more like a limited card for now.
I see it being used in {B} based control builds as a 2 of. It makes a land give you a free draw at instant speed. If your not going to use the land for mana just use it to draw. As far as being a staple; probably just a card used in control decks. Card advantage wins you games.
It's not a stable. I'd give it a C+. It seems (famous last words) abuse-proof. 2 of is fine. I don't love it taking up a rare spot (I don't know how I feel about opening it up and drafting it).
I'd add it to my exalted deck. Slap it on {Cathedral of War}. My deck has virtually no card draw and gains life with {vampire nighthawk}
Quote from: Dudecore on September 10, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
It's not a stable. I'd give it a C+. It seems (famous last words) abuse-proof. 2 of is fine. I don't love it taking up a rare spot (I don't know how I feel about opening it up and drafting it).
I think it is jank and would never run it....there I finally said it π. It is a decent late game card at best and is too risky of a card to put in any competitive build. Sure it replaces itself and then some, eventually, but what do you do with it on the early turns?
Quote from: Dudecore on September 10, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
It's not a stable. I'd give it a C+. It seems (famous last words) abuse-proof. 2 of is fine. I don't love it taking up a rare spot (I don't know how I feel about opening it up and drafting it).
I'd add it to my exalted deck. Slap it on {Cathedral of War}. My deck has virtually no card draw and gains life with {vampire nighthawk}
Just think of it as a {Phyrexian arena} that can be used when you want to. Instant speed arena sounds like fun. If we're gonna grade the card I give it a B-
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 10, 2012, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 10, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
It's not a stable. I'd give it a C+.
If we're gonna grade the card I give it a B-
Art A+ card C-
I would like it with just a {B}{B} casting cost
Um, hey guys. Remember {arbor elf} exists. Enchant a forest or a shock land and you can get two cards a turn.
@ cltrn exactly what I thought when I saw the cost lol.
But despite evverything, I am going to try it on cockatrice when rtr comes out and see how things go. Maybe a good 1 of or 2 of especially against control decks. Horrible against zombie decks.
Coffee, you'd spend {6} for a {Staff of Nin}. π
I like the {Arbor Elf} idea.
For 4 CMC, it replaces itself, so you don't need to worry as much about 2 for 1s.
Lastly, Dude, I'd rather have one of these at rare then a WHOLE bunch at uncommon. They often put cards you don't want to see to much of in a draft at rare.
{Underworld connections} is replacing {staff of nin} in my standard control decks.
A semi-functional reprint of {Neceopotence}?
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Quote from: Gummuh on September 10, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
A semi-functional reprint of {Neceopotence}?
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/252/me-gusta.jpg?1310883034)
Lmao!
Quote from: Gummuh on September 10, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
A semi-functional reprint of {Neceopotence}?
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/252/me-gusta.jpg?1310883034)
ME GUSTA
@ jester:
Yes I run staff of nin...but when it came out I wished it was a 4 drop like everyone else. (awww it's not broken! Boo we hate staff of nin!)
But also like staff of nin, I will run it. In fact, it might replace statf of nin. I do have somereservations though...for instance a mere {ghost quarter} can ruin my hopes and dreams. If they already have a quarter, why even cast it? (ease no nickel or pennie jokes ;)) mr nin can deal damage to opponent's creatures and ping, and keep plainswalkers at bay. I think 6 is a fine cost for it. With ramp you can cast it on turn 4-5. Not bad imo and there will be less artifact hate post rotation. Me loves staff of nin. Gah this is turning into a staff of nin orgasm post!!! Damnit jester! I must...evaluate..the card...we are currently discussing...
I can see this card in a casual deck best though. I'm thinking garruk wildspeaker, arbor elf, sword of feast and famine, etc. Pretty solid when you have synergy.
If they hit your land with a quarter, they are spending a land drop to take out one card. The land gets replaced (possibly even color fixing for you). You aren't going to enchant your {Kessig Wolf Run} with it, are you?
So they gain no card advantage and fall behind in land drops.
If you cast it on T4 and use it immediately, it has already replaced itself it terms of card advantage.
Yeah true, your land does get replaced.
Man I can't wait for rtr...who cares about my old mbc cards!!!! Lol
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Oh, man. If only RtR had {Ornithopters}...
I can see that critter going so crazy...
Combine her with {cathedral sanctifiers}, turn one, sanctifiers, turn two, fairy then sanctifiers again. Oh. I have a flyer AND I'm up to 26 life.
Faerie + {Butcher ghoul}
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New spoilers^^
It's making it so hard to choose between selesnya and golgari. Populate keeps getting great cards but the rarity makes it hard to choose it. Golgari seems like a safer choice.
Suddenly, people start looking at {Bump in the Night}
{Cyclonic rift} is gonna be a fun card! π
I like how overload is the opposite of miracle.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 11, 2012, 01:20:59 AM
{Cyclonic rift} is gonna be a fun card! π
"I play {Army of the Damned}, and copy it with my {Dual-Casting} {Mikaeus, The Unhallowed}!"
"End of turn, overload cyclonic rift. Trololol"
Quote from: Maximo on September 11, 2012, 01:40:42 AM
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{Cyclonic rift} is gonna be a fun card! π
"I play {Army of the Damned}, and copy it with my {Dual-Casting} {Mikaeus, The Unhallowed}!"
"End of turn, overload cyclonic rift. Trololol"
LMFAO!!!!!!!!π
~Bell-Chime Sphinx
Creature - Sphinx
Flying
Discard two nonland cards with the same name: Draw four cards.
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That + relentless rats = fun times
Jarad's Orders could be fun, especially in casual.
{doomed necromancer}π
I'm definetly going selsenya. So many good cards, and grove of the guardian as a promo. Imagine populating an 8/8 vigilance instead of a 1/1.
How many rares are there?!???! It seems like every friggin card is at rare. Why the heck is {Disperse} (Cyclonic Rift) printed at rare? Even New World Order isn't an excuse, put it at uncommon.
All of the guilds look good but I am loving Rakdos
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 11, 2012, 09:01:48 AM
All of the guilds look good but I am loving Rakdos
Same.
Azorious has me a little interested as well, and looks like it will finally give give me the material to make the u/w flying deck I've been wanting to build. It will no longer be just poor {arctic aven} all by his lonesome, gliding on {favorable winds} by himself... -teardrop-
Reprint {Storm Crow}!
Make it mythic rare too.
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~Slime Shaping
Sorcery
Put an X/X green Ooze creature token onto the battlefield.
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~Martial Law
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, detain target creature an opponent controls.
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~Precinct Captain
Creature - Human Soldier
First strike
Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, put a 1/1 white Soldier creature token onto the battlefield.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 11, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
How many rares are there?!???! It seems like every friggin card is at rare. Why the heck is {Disperse} (Cyclonic Rift) printed at rare? Even New World Order isn't an excuse, put it at uncommon.
Umm, a one sided {Upheaval} wrapped in the flexibility of a {Disperse}? Put it at common!
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 11, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
How many rares are there?!???! It seems like every friggin card is at rare. Why the heck is {Disperse} (Cyclonic Rift) printed at rare? Even New World Order isn't an excuse, put it at uncommon.
Umm, a one sided {Upheaval} wrapped in the flexibility of a {Disperse}? Put it at common!
*Insert troll face*
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 11, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
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~Slime Shaping
Sorcery
Put an X/X green Ooze creature token onto the battlefield.
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~Martial Law
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, detain target creature an opponent controls.
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~Precinct Captain
Creature - Human Soldier
First strike
Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, put a 1/1 white Soldier creature token onto the battlefield.
Neat! Slime shaping is like {Wurmcalling} without buyback...and instead of worms you get goo. That will go great with populate.
I'm loving Martial Law though - essentially {Arrest} but for one more {W} you get to choose which creature gets locked down each turn instead of being stuck on the same one.
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 11, 2012, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 11, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
How many rares are there?!???! It seems like every friggin card is at rare. Why the heck is {Disperse} (Cyclonic Rift) printed at rare? Even New World Order isn't an excuse, put it at uncommon.
Umm, a one sided {Upheaval} wrapped in the flexibility of a {Disperse}? Put it at common!
*Insert troll face*
You know I love you, Dudecore. π
Context is everything. I think it's solid in MBC, where card advantage is important. You'd want to leave your mana open for removal, but if they don't play a threat that turn, you can use the land.
In RtR, I don't like the double {B} as much, since you can't splash it and you want color diversity, and you don't want it tying up a land color you might need.
In a bigger format (or with {Arbor Elf}) it allows tricks that {Phyrexian Area} doesn't, but it can also be turfed by two different types of removal: enchantment and land.
It has it's applications, and can be very good in the right home, but I certainly wouldn't first-pick it in a draft.
B-
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 11, 2012, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 11, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
How many rares are there?!???! It seems like every friggin card is at rare. Why the heck is {Disperse} (Cyclonic Rift) printed at rare? Even New World Order isn't an excuse, put it at uncommon.
Umm, a one sided {Upheaval} wrapped in the flexibility of a {Disperse}? Put it at common!
*Insert troll face*
You know I love you, Dudecore. π
Everyone takes what I say in the extreme opposite direction. -.-
{Dudecore's Disperse} {6}{U}
Instant
Uncommon
Return all non-land permanents your opponents control to their owner's hands.
π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 04:27:57 PM
{Dudecore's Disperse} {6}{U}
Instant
Uncommon
Return all non-land permanents your opponents control to their owner's hands.
π
Unplayable! Id never license my name to such junk. It'd be
Dudecounter {0}
Instant
Counter all spells till the end of turn.
MaRo just tweeted that he's going to preview the uncounterable Izzet spell tomorrow.
#colormeexcited
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
MaRo just tweeted that he's going to preview the uncounterable Izzet spell tomorrow.
#colormeexcited
He could end up doing it at 12:00am est time. That's when all the spoilers have been coming out.
I'm not sure what his tweeting schedule is. He may just put it up when he gets to work tomorrow.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 11, 2012, 05:08:05 PM
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{Dudecore's Disperse} {6}{U}
Instant
Uncommon
Return all non-land permanents your opponents control to their owner's hands.
π
Unplayable! Id never license my name to such junk. It'd be
Dudecounter {0}
Instant
Counter all spells till the end of turn.
wouldn't it counter it's self π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
MaRo just tweeted that he's going to preview the uncounterable Izzet spell tomorrow.
#colormeexcited
Watch it be a counterspell
Quote from: Nobbert on September 11, 2012, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
MaRo just tweeted that he's going to preview the uncounterable Izzet spell tomorrow.
#colormeexcited
Watch it be a counterspell
{Last Word}?
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 06:59:47 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on September 11, 2012, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 11, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
MaRo just tweeted that he's going to preview the uncounterable Izzet spell tomorrow.
#colormeexcited
Watch it be a counterspell
{Last Word}?
He said it is multi-colored so I guess not.
{1}{R}{U} {last word}
{U}/{R} {Last Word}
So glad they are dating the promos again!!! I hated how the Innistrad Block ones didn't have dates on them. When will we get mythics again???!!!
Quote from: Gummuh on September 11, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
{U}/{R} {Last Word}
There's no {R} flavor to it though.
My guess, either:
{Hot-Swap} {2}{U}{R}
Sorcery
{Hot-Swap} can't be countered by spells or abilities.
Until end of turn, gain control of target non-land permanent. Untap it. If its a creature, it gains haste.
{5}{U}{R} Overload.
Or some sort of copy/redirect spell.
That would be so F-ing great late game against another control deck....
Esper vs. Grixis:
Esper: miracle entreat for 7.
Grixix: overload hot swap. Gimee that tamiyo. Ultimate time! Not that it matters because you just died.
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~Wild Beastmaster
Creature - Human Shaman
Whenever ~Wild Beastmaster attacks, each other creature you control gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is ~Wild Beastmaster's power
That + champ of lambholt = :D
Or that + champion+ craterhoof. Lol. That would be overkill.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 12, 2012, 12:02:27 AM
Or that + champion+ craterhoof. Lol. That would be overkill.
Over9000!!!kill
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/212&page=5
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/li/212
http://mtg.mn/4m7
1st one: ................we're all f---ed.
2nd one: hm interesting.
3rd one: meh
I can just see an Izzet Pyroclasm deck right now.
Also, has anyone else noticed cards that hate on other guilds? For example, the angel is hatin on Golgargi!
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 12:05:18 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/212&page=5
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/li/212
http://mtg.mn/4m7
First is like...a workable thing.
Second is interesting
Third is a complete and absolute waste at mythic, a waste at white and a crap card. Garbage
has anyone noticed the trend recently, with these previews and their articles on DailyMTG, that the authors are seemingly pre-emptively defensive of the cards flaws? I feel like i've read three different passionate paragraphs about why card X is so amazing and worth it even though it costs a lot and isn't really that likely to get played. Case in point, the new Limited Information article about that five mana enchantment that's like {Burning Vengeance} for multicolor spells.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 12:05:18 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/212&page=5
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/li/212
http://mtg.mn/4m7
Love the art on the angel of serenity!
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 12:05:18 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/212&page=5
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/li/212
http://mtg.mn/4m7
Why do the cool art cards have to suck sometimes? Stupid #3
I could see #2 being one of those cards that was never played very often, but isn't really a bad card.
Quote from: Maximo on September 12, 2012, 12:21:04 AM
has anyone noticed the trend recently, with these previews and their articles on DailyMTG, that the authors are seemingly pre-emptively defensive of the cards flaws? I feel like i've read three different passionate paragraphs about why card X is so amazing and worth it even though it costs a lot and isn't really that likely to get played. Case in point, the new Limited Information article about that five mana enchantment that's like {Burning Vengeance} for multicolor spells.
yeah what phonies!!!
*looks in the mirror and remembers typing endless rants about staff of nin*
...
*awkward silence* :0
I just feel like they're trying too hard. Definitely feels like a high CMC set though.
Well 2 junk mythics so far.
I don't like these high CMC cost cards as much as anyone else. That enchantment might see some EDH play, and perhaps limited (since you can pick) and is still better then {staff of nin} (which is a litmus test for bad cards :P)
Quote from: Dudecore on September 12, 2012, 01:20:59 AM
Well 2 junk mythics so far.
I don't like these high CMC cost cards as much as anyone else. That enchantment might see some EDH play, and perhaps limited (since you can pick) and is still better then {staff of nin} (which is a litmus test for bad cards :P
Shhh, don't tell Coffee Vampire. π
...
I hope your children are safe. Very safe.
The angel is on par with {Mikaeus, The Lunarch} to me, but what's the other jank mythic?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 01:36:25 AM
...
I hope your children are safe. Very safe.
I hid my kids, i hid my wife, and i'mma gunna hide to cause i hear their rapin' everyone up in here!
All of a sudden, Kaleo42 was surrounded by lolsroyces and roflcopters.
Hahaha, i saw an open window and had to go for it.
On topic though, i like the izzet {genesis wave}, hello {temporal master} and {worldfire} and welcome to standard playability.
Am I the the only one who really likes angel of serenity? 5/6 flying + versatile triple {fiend hunter}/{disentomb}? How is she terrible? It may not be AS ridiculous as some of the other mythics spoiled, but I would love to have her in some of my EDH decks.
Well the thing is, she costs so much and can be easily removed. Why not just use tormod's crypt or day of judgement?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 08:07:30 AM
Well the thing is, she costs so much and can be easily removed. Why not just use tormod's crypt or day of judgement?
Because {somberwald sage}, {cloudshift}, {ghostly flicker}, {restoration angel}, and of course {conjurers closet} are all going to be legal.
Yeah there's no denying you can pull some cool stuff with her, but it is more efficient to just get rid of it all at right away with 1 card instead of casting her and flickering and stuff.
{tormods crypt}? Why would that be a replacement for the angel? Are you thinking of using her on your opponent's yard? That's not how I envision the angel being used at all. We're not thinking on the same wavelength at all :P
Here's what I see: I cast my 5/6 flyer and exile your big bomb threat. And my other two targets are my own big bombs in my own graveyard. Oh you want to kill my huge threat angel and get your bomb back in your hand? Then get ready to deal with my 2 {sublime archangel}s AGAIN next turn, jerkwad. In the meantime, while you deal with that decision, take 5 damage in the air.
Every card has a weakness, her weakness is printed all over her. 1) Cost. 2) Return those creatures to hand. 3) When can you cast her to benefit from its effects? 4) How many do you include in a deck? 5) body doesn't match CMC.
"Good in EDH" doesn't cut it. I'm guilty of it saying it too, there hasn't been a card printed that someone wont say is "good" in EDH.
Frites! She would be great in a {huntmaster of the fells} or {liliana of the veil} variant of an {unburial rites} deck. And the best part in my oppinion is that all o-ring rules apply, if you flicker her after she targets, it just becomes exile three creature in or off the field.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 12, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Every card has a weakness, her weakness is printed all over her. 1) Cost. 2) Return those creatures to hand. 3) When can you cast her to benefit from its effects? 4) How many do you include in a deck? 5) body doesn't match CMC.
"Good in EDH" doesn't cut it. I'm guilty of it saying it too, there hasn't been a card printed that someone wont say is "good" in EDH.
I disagree with almost everything you just posted :P
1) sure, cost is high, I'll give you that one. Should be 1 less, maybe 2.
2) return to hand is not bad. Would you rather it return your enemies bomb to the bf? They have to pay costs again, including negative ETB effects. Would you have it reanimate your GY right to the field? Wayyyy overpowered. I think return to hand is right where it should be, a balance for the two options.
3) any time your opponent has stuff on the field to bounce or you have dead things to {revive}? Clear 3 blockers for a fatal swing even?
4) not 4 with its high cost but 2-of or 3-of are very possible, depending on the deck's ability to capitalize from her options.
5) 5/6 flying for 8 is only 1 more than {sphinx of Uthuun} and with a more versatile effect. Flyers are expensive, yo, and you gotta pay for the effect.
And if you think every card can be played in commander, you're playing commander wrong :P {merfolk of the pearl trident}? Must go in my EDH decks! All of them!
But hey, we are all entitled to our own opinions after all.
Jester, come on, I know your combo wheels are spinning with that slick little {Faerie Imposter}..
Quote from: Maximo on September 12, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
Jester, come on, I know your combo wheels are spinning with that slick little {Faerie Imposter}..
I know thats not directed at me, but i see that one being good friends with {restoration angel} and {fiend hunter}. No to mention all the detain ability creatures.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 12, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Every card has a weakness, her weakness is printed all over her. 1) Cost. 2) Return those creatures to hand. 3) When can you cast her to benefit from its effects? 4) How many do you include in a deck? 5) body doesn't match CMC.
"Good in EDH" doesn't cut it. I'm guilty of it saying it too, there hasn't been a card printed that someone wont say is "good" in EDH.
{Haunting Echoes}
{Clarion Ultimatum}
{Retraced Image}
π
Clarion ultimatum is pure ramp in EDH. I completely understand why it sucks now.
Quote from: Aladormax on September 12, 2012, 10:42:13 AM
Clarion ultimatum is pure ramp in EDH. I completely understand why it sucks now.
Is that sarcasm I smell, or just burning electrolytic capacitors in my lab. I can't tell, they both smell the same.
-_-
On the off chance it IS sarcasm, 5 land for 7 mana, you're better of with {Boundless Realms}. You'll probably hit more land, it's easier to cast, AND it can fetch colors you may not already have on the table.
Also, if you've already got {G}{G}{W}{W}{W}{U}{U}, you should be able to cast anything you want anyway.
*Boy I hope that's not burning caps, I'd better go and check* :o
Yes that is sarcasm.
Quote from: Maximo on September 12, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
Jester, come on, I know your combo wheels are spinning with that slick little {Faerie Imposter}..
Too many wheels a'spinnin' with this set. I'm very behind on my writing, but I'm working on some stuff for you guys.
I've just been up late on my photo-antithetic dark energy collectors, and recovering from the lab 'incident'. Be careful with your Tesla coil guns, kids! Always wear a Faraday cup. :o
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 11, 2012, 01:14:58 AM
It's making it so hard to choose between selesnya and golgari. Populate keeps getting great cards but the rarity makes it hard to choose it. Golgari seems like a safer choice.
You can run Growing Ranks in a Golgari deck with the GB planeswalker ultimate tokens π
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2012, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 12, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
Jester, come on, I know your combo wheels are spinning with that slick little {Faerie Imposter}..
I know thats not directed at me, but i see that one being good friends with {restoration angel} and {fiend hunter}. No to mention all the detain ability creatures.
{snapcaster Mage}!!!
Quote from: Aladormax on September 12, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Yes that is sarcasm.
Well, I'm glad we cleared that up. And I still think it's unplayable in EDH, but I also admit to not playing EDH. I'll defer to experts on this one.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 12, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Aladormax on September 12, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Yes that is sarcasm.
Well, I'm glad we cleared that up. And I still think it's unplayable in EDH, but I also admit to not playing EDH. I'll defer to experts on this one.
It's awful. {cultivate} is better.
So, it turns out we were sorta right about {Last Word} in the first place:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/wiapz5izn2_en.jpg)
I still don't get the {R} side of it, but then I never got the {U} side of the uncounterable DoJ. π
Still, better or worse than {Swift Silence}?
In what situation would overload for this actually be useful? Whenver someone casts a spell, they wait to see if you let it resolve. Rarely do people cast spells in response to other spells they have played.
Can someone enlighted me on why there is overload for this? Just to give you more options, or will overload be useful in many situations and I am not seeing it?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
In what situation would overload for this actually be useful? Whenver someone casts a spell, they wait to see if you let it resolve. Rarely do people cast spells in response to other spells they have played.
Can someone enlighted me on why there is overload for this? Just to give you more options, or will overload be useful in many situations and I am not seeing it?
This could stop storm right? Presumably.
Definitely looks like it stops Storm and Replicate and to cause multiplayer shenanigans. But man, I'm gonna play it for sure.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135567&d=1347466629
~Necropolis Regent
Creature - Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counters on it.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135565
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135567&d=1347466629
~Necropolis Regent
Creature - Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counters on it.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135565
Damn. Some solid vamps around. If they get some good 1 and 2 drops, I bet a vamp deck could show up with this, {vampire Nocturnus} and {vampire nighthawk}.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135567&d=1347466629
~Necropolis Regent
Creature - Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counters on it.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135565
{Detention Sphere}, now an O-ring with built-in Selesnya/Token hate. W00t!
Quote from: BlackJester on September 12, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135567&d=1347466629
~Necropolis Regent
Creature - Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counters on it.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135565
{Detention Sphere}, now an O-ring with built-in Selesnya/Token hate. W00t!
Is that the second link? I can't see what's on it? I'm on the app on my phone and it's opening a blank.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135567&d=1347466629
~Necropolis Regent
Creature - Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counters on it.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135565
The second one shows up as a blank page
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Loaded fine for me. Love it.
Can u type it out so i can see it?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
In what situation would overload for this actually be useful? Whenver someone casts a spell, they wait to see if you let it resolve. Rarely do people cast spells in response to other spells they have played.
Can someone enlighted me on why there is overload for this? Just to give you more options, or will overload be useful in many situations and I am not seeing it?
I agree I too need to be enlightened O.o
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 12, 2012, 03:37:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
In what situation would overload for this actually be useful? Whenver someone casts a spell, they wait to see if you let it resolve. Rarely do people cast spells in response to other spells they have played.
Can someone enlighted me on why there is overload for this? Just to give you more options, or will overload be useful in many situations and I am not seeing it?
I agree I too need to be enlightened O.o
Storm like effects
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Loaded fine for me. Love it.
Can u type it out so i can see it?
Detention Sphere 1{W}{U}
Enchantment {rare}
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, you may exile target nonland permanent not named Detention Sphere and all other permanents with the same name as that permanent.
When Detention Sphere leaves the battlefield, return the exiled cards to the battlefield under their owner's control.
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
Is dark confident on the reserved list?
Could it be reprinted?
Likely? No. But yes considering that it is not on the reserved list, it could be. In awesome coffee land.
Am I the only that hasn't found good for there deck in rtr?? Maybe I need to wait for gate crash for my colors... G/R since 95...
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 12, 2012, 03:37:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
In what situation would overload for this actually be useful? Whenver someone casts a spell, they wait to see if you let it resolve. Rarely do people cast spells in response to other spells they have played.
Can someone enlighted me on why there is overload for this? Just to give you more options, or will overload be useful in many situations and I am not seeing it?
I agree I too need to be enlightened O.o
Storm like effects
Lol I'm new to magic(started wen M13 cam out )wat are storm like effects???
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 12, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 12, 2012, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 12, 2012, 03:37:13 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
In what situation would overload for this actually be useful? Whenver someone casts a spell, they wait to see if you let it resolve. Rarely do people cast spells in response to other spells they have played.
Can someone enlighted me on why there is overload for this? Just to give you more options, or will overload be useful in many situations and I am not seeing it?
I agree I too need to be enlightened O.o
Storm like effects
Lol I'm new to magic(started wen M13 cam out )wat are storm like effects???
{grapeshot}
Quote from: Dudecore on September 12, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Every card has a weakness, her weakness is printed all over her. 1) Cost. 2) Return those creatures to hand. 3) When can you cast her to benefit from its effects? 4) How many do you include in a deck? 5) body doesn't match CMC.
"Good in EDH" doesn't cut it. I'm guilty of it saying it too, there hasn't been a card printed that someone wont say is "good" in EDH.
Lol on reason 2. Journey to Nowhere is an amazing card and she is triple that and she rturns them ro hand instead of battlefield.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 12, 2012, 01:20:43 PM
So, it turns out we were sorta right about {Last Word} in the first place:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/wiapz5izn2_en.jpg)
I still don't get the {R} side of it, but then I never got the {U} side of the uncounterable DoJ. π
Still, better or worse than {Swift Silence}?
When a counterspell is both {U}and {R} it may counter multiple spells. See: {Double Negative}. Countering multiple apells is a UR thing ro do. Countering multiple spells is very impulsive.
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WW[bold]U[/bold]
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
B is black U is blue sir.
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WW[bold]U[/bold]
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
u is blue and black is B good sir.
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Nope, tokens don't exist outside of the battlefield. Once they leave, they're gone forever.
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Once tokens leave the BF for any reason at all they are gone for good π¨
Gummuh beat me to it
Quote from: Gummuh on September 12, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Nope, tokens don't exist outside of the battlefield. Once they leave, they're gone forever.
Could you destroy when its cast, before it enters the battlefield using the {Naturalize} as a counter of sorts?
Could you destroy the enchantment when its cast, before it enters the battlefield using the {Naturalize} as a counter of sorts?
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 12, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Nope, tokens don't exist outside of the battlefield. Once they leave, they're gone forever.
Could you destroy when its cast, before it enters the battlefield using the {Naturalize} as a counter of sorts?
You couldn't destroy it before it enters the battlefield because it isn't an enchantment permanent yet; it's just a spell. But you could respond to the enter-the-battleifled trigger by destroying it when it enters.
Though I don't think that would help. In fact it would exile your stuf permanently, I think. :x
No. Naturalize does not say "counter target enchantment spell". You could hit it as soon as it enters the battlefield, but by then the ability is already on the stack and you're losing the tokens anyway.
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
Could you destroy the enchantment when its cast, before it enters the battlefield using the {Naturalize} as a counter of sorts?
Here is how that works:
The enchantment enters the BF and the trigger to remove "x" permanent is put on the stack.
You then respond by {naturalize}ing the enchantment.
You naturalize resolves and destroys the enchantment.
The trigger from the enchantment resolves and exiles the permanent ..... the enchantments is gone so the permanent returns ...... unless they are tokens at which point they are gone forever.
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 12, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Nope, tokens don't exist outside of the battlefield. Once they leave, they're gone forever.
Could you destroy when its cast, before it enters the battlefield using the {Naturalize} as a counter of sorts?
Nope. When he announces the spell, the next step in casting it is choosing target(s) for the spell. This all happens in the casting layers. Naturalize would destroy the enchantment, but not before it exiles all your tokens.
Cltrn the enchantment says that when it leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card(s). So since the enchantment leaves the battlefield before the ability resolves, wouldn't the stuff be exiled permanently?
Quote from: Inaja on September 12, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on September 12, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 12, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 12, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
Detention Sphere 1BW
Enchantment
When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, exile target (either nonland permanent or creature i forgot) and all others permanents/creatures with the same name as it.
Supreme Verdict 1WWB
Sorcery (i think)
Destroy all creatures.
Supreme Verdict can't be countered by spells of abilities.
Azorious has some serious token hate, so im stacking up on {Naturalize} for my sideboard. Anyone else have any sideboarding suggestions for Selsenya against Azorious?
How will {Naturalize} save your tokens? Damage is already done once it hits the board.
Destroys the enchantment, bringing back the tokens
Nope, tokens don't exist outside of the battlefield. Once they leave, they're gone forever.
Could you destroy when its cast, before it enters the battlefield using the {Naturalize} as a counter of sorts?
Nope. When he announces the spell, the next step in casting it is choosing target(s) for the spell. This all happens in the casting layers. Naturalize would destroy the enchantment, but not before it exiles all your tokens.
Please dont confuse aura's with other permanents. Aura's are the only permanent that has to have a "target" to cast. Every other perminent enters the battlefield (meaning successfully resolves) before doing anything else.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 12, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
Cltrn the enchantment says that when it leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card(s). So since the enchantment leaves the battlefield before the ability resolves, wouldn't the stuff be exiled permanently?
Yes, the classic {fiend hunter} flicker trick.
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Coffee is right the permanent(s) would be exiled forever if you respond to the trigger and destroy the enchantment before its ETB resolves π¨
Enchantment enters and target is chosen, this goes on the stack.
Someone responds and {naturalizes} the enchantment.
Naturalize resolves and destroys the enchantment.
The enchantment trigger resolves and exiles the permanent(s).
Since the enchantment has already been destroyed and the destruction of the enchantment triggers another ability to be put on the stack in order to return the permanents ... they cannot return since that trigger was put on the stack and resolved before the permanents were exiled from the ETB trigger.
Clear as mud?
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Cltrn the enchantment says that when it leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card(s). So since the enchantment leaves the battlefield before the ability resolves, wouldn't the stuff be exiled permanently?
Yes, the classic {fiend hunter} flicker trick.
Which was originally faceless butcher...
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Cltrn the enchantment says that when it leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card(s). So since the enchantment leaves the battlefield before the ability resolves, wouldn't the stuff be exiled permanently?
Yes, the classic {fiend hunter} flicker trick.
Which was originally {faceless butcher}...
yepyep.
Ohh I remember that guy, he came with the graveborn deck I got when I was just starting and me and my bro played with really screwed up rules...haha good times. :)
Counterspells are the answer to all problems!
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Thanks again, Chris. I'd like to migrate or copy all of the spoilt cards to the other thread so people don't have to navigate 60+ pages to find them all. Can you Len a hand?
Jester I sent you a PM
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Loveeeee {Stealer of Secrets} at common. Functional at a higher rarity, amazing at common. Card advantage and a splashible body at 2/2? Sign me up.
Edit: I've always had problems with creatures like this in limited, always seem cooler then they are (see: {Scroll Thief}) because you actually have to deal damage. Better body and isn't a fail in the vanilla test. I wouldn't mind curving into this at 3.
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Loveeeee {Stealer of Secrets} at common. Functional at a higher rarity, amazing at common. Card advantage and a splashible body at 2/2? Sign me up.
Edit: I've always had problems with creatures like this in limited, always seem cooler then they are (see: {Scroll Thief}) because you actually have to deal damage. Better body and isn't a fail in the vanilla test. I wouldn't mind curving into this at 3.
Personally I like the wizard. In a control to protect it. It could end up like {consecrated sphinx} still weaker but a good replacement.
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Loveeeee {Stealer of Secrets} at common. Functional at a higher rarity, amazing at common. Card advantage and a splashible body at 2/2? Sign me up.
Edit: I've always had problems with creatures like this in limited, always seem cooler then they are (see: {Scroll Thief}) because you actually have to deal damage. Better body and isn't a fail in the vanilla test. I wouldn't mind curving into this at 3.
Personally I like the wizard. In a control to protect it. It could end up like {consecrated sphinx} still weaker but a good replacement.
{Mercurial Chemister} is a bit small for my tastes. I dont like to tap for its abilities. Could see some fringe play as part of a curve. It's almost as beneficial as many other cards. B-
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Loveeeee {Stealer of Secrets} at common. Functional at a higher rarity, amazing at common. Card advantage and a splashible body at 2/2? Sign me up.
Edit: I've always had problems with creatures like this in limited, always seem cooler then they are (see: {Scroll Thief}) because you actually have to deal damage. Better body and isn't a fail in the vanilla test. I wouldn't mind curving into this at 3.
Personally I like the wizard. In a control to protect it. It could end up like {consecrated sphinx} still weaker but a good replacement.
{Mercurial Chemister} is a bit small for my tastes. I dont like to tap for its abilities. Could see some fringe play as part of a curve. It's almost as beneficial as many other cards.
Yes but it can also double as a kill spell.
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Loveeeee {Stealer of Secrets} at common. Functional at a higher rarity, amazing at common. Card advantage and a splashible body at 2/2? Sign me up.
Edit: I've always had problems with creatures like this in limited, always seem cooler then they are (see: {Scroll Thief}) because you actually have to deal damage. Better body and isn't a fail in the vanilla test. I wouldn't mind curving into this at 3.
Personally I like the wizard. In a control to protect it. It could end up like {consecrated sphinx} still weaker but a good replacement.
{Mercurial Chemister} is a bit small for my tastes. I dont like to tap for its abilities. Could see some fringe play as part of a curve. It's almost as beneficial as many other cards.
Yes but it can also double as a kill spell.
Totally. Not a bad card whatsoever, I picture it as a {Deadeye Navigator}, costly to get going, but once it's set it become a problem/threat.
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Loveeeee {Stealer of Secrets} at common. Functional at a higher rarity, amazing at common. Card advantage and a splashible body at 2/2? Sign me up.
Edit: I've always had problems with creatures like this in limited, always seem cooler then they are (see: {Scroll Thief}) because you actually have to deal damage. Better body and isn't a fail in the vanilla test. I wouldn't mind curving into this at 3.
Personally I like the wizard. In a control to protect it. It could end up like {consecrated sphinx} still weaker but a good replacement.
{Mercurial Chemister} is a bit small for my tastes. I dont like to tap for its abilities. Could see some fringe play as part of a curve. It's almost as beneficial as many other cards.
Yes but it can also double as a kill spell.
Totally. Not a bad card whatsoever, I picture it as a {Deadeye Navigator}, costly to get going, but once it's set it become a problem/threat.
Can someone please post the actual text? Or another link? It says invalid link when I open it.
WORKING ON MIGRATING ALL CARD LINKS TO SPOILER THREAD. DISCUSSION WILL REMAIN HERE.
In the mean time, check out the Mothership's list o' spoilers:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#
Thank you.
Also can we try avoiding quote bricks?
The Chemister finally gives me a use for omniscience and worldfire!
The only problem I'm having with RtR is all the burn cards only hit creatures except for guttersnipe except for guttersnipe(meh) and Niv(good cuz of its ability)
Lest we forget {Rakdos's Return}.
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Lest we forget {Rakdos's Return}.
Lol I forgot mention burn cards for Izzet
I hope there's a XUUR sorcery for Izzet
Draw X cards, Deal X damage to target player
{Detention Sphere} is a mass {Oblivion Ring}. I love it. Gonna whoop zombies, tokens and other creeps.
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 13, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 12:27:09 PM
Lest we forget {Rakdos's Return}.
Lol I forgot mention burn cards for Izzet
I hope there's a XUUR sorcery for Izzet
Draw X cards, Deal X damage to target player
It looks like Izzet is gonna only burn creatures and rakdos might burn the player only; but we still have 120 left unspoiled so let's wait and see.
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 13, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 12:27:09 PM
Lest we forget {Rakdos's Return}.
Lol I forgot mention burn cards for Izzet
I hope there's a XUUR sorcery for Izzet
Draw X cards, Deal X damage to target player
You mean like {Invoke the Firemind}? ???
;)
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
WORKING ON MIGRATING ALL CARD LINKS TO SPOILER THREAD. DISCUSSION WILL REMAIN HERE.
In the mean time, check out the Mothership's list o' spoilers:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#
Thank you.
Thank you for doing this, I was starting to get very lost in this mess of 65 pages lol
Also, is Trostani the Selensia guild leader? And if so, that means Rakdos is the only leader left to be spoiled, yes?
Glad to help. All I have are the official ones for now. Chris was all the links to the unofficial ones. I'll try to toss those up, but I'd need to rummage through and sort out what's missing from the official one.
This'll all be moot until the end of the month anyway. ::)
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 03:10:01 PM
Glad to help. All I have are the official ones for now. Chris was all the links to the unofficial ones. I'll try to toss those up, but I'd need to rummage through and sort out what's missing from the official one.
This'll all be moot until the end of the month anyway. ::)
Well there's only 1 unofficial spoiled card right now. There is also an Chinese vampire card that has not been translated yet. The unofficial one is a centaur card that is a 1{G}{W} and gains you 3 life when it enters play. It's a 3/3 creature. {Centaur healer} is the cards name and it's a common.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 13, 2012, 03:26:22 PM
Well there's only 1 unofficial spoiled card right now. There is also an Chinese vampire card that has not been translated yet. The unofficial one is a centaur card that is a 1{G}{W} and gains you 3 life when it enters play. It's a 3/3 creature. {Centaur healer} is the cards name and it's a common.
They haven't been 'official' about {Rootborn Defenses} though.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 13, 2012, 03:26:22 PM
Well there's only 1 unofficial spoiled card right now. There is also an Chinese vampire card that has not been translated yet. The unofficial one is a centaur card that is a 1{G}{W} and gains you 3 life when it enters play. It's a 3/3 creature. {Centaur healer} is the cards name and it's a common.
They haven't been 'official' about {Rootborn Defenses} though.
True; I forgot about that card.
Quote from: bravado883 on September 13, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
I was pretty sure WorC confirmed both centaur healer and rootborn defenses but I could be mistaken of course.
If it is not on there spoiler page then it's not official yet.
Tablet of the Guilds - 2
Artifact (Uncommon)
As Tablet of the Guilds enters the battlefield, choose two colors.
Whenever you cast a spell, if it's at least one of the chosen colors, you gain 1 life for each of the chosen colors it is.
It is rumored the Azorius paid an exorbitant sum to ensure its symbol would appear at the top.
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 13, 2012, 05:48:54 PM
Tablet of the Guilds - 2
Artifact (Uncommon)
As Tablet of the Guilds enters the battlefield, choose two colors.
Whenever you cast a spell, if it's at least one of the chosen colors, you gain 1 life for each of the chosen colors it is.
It is rumored the Azorius paid an exorbitant sum to ensure its symbol would appear at the top.
Almost like they tried to fix "Lucky Charms" ({Angel's Feather} et al.)
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135618&d=1347587075)Are you ready to pay?
Thanks ChrisRodriguez!π
Mm, I like Ash Zealot, but I don't like reading how wizards is designing around {Snapcaster Mage}....
Piece of Pith
{Pithing Needle} is back. Nice art too!
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 11:55:27 PM
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Thanks ChrisRodriguez!π
That seems like it should be in the next set to me.
How come? Because it has Orzohv written on it? All 10 guilds exist in Ravnica, they just aren't "featured" in RtR.
Love the flavor text on ash zealot.
"smarter then death? Let's see you out smart my mace, necromancer!"
Quote from: BlackJester on September 13, 2012, 11:55:27 PM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135618&d=1347587075)Are you ready to pay?
Thanks ChrisRodriguez!π
Your welcome jester. The rest of the cards spoiled today the links aren't working so I'll try to get them to you in the morning.
Plus this card is great in the older formats, ok in standard, and is just bad in limited.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 12:29:57 AM
How come? Because it has Orzohv written on it? All 10 guilds exist in Ravnica, they just aren't "featured" in RtR.
No just the art and effect say assassinations to me. Thought that was more orzov.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 12:20:12 AM
Piece of Pith
{Pithing Needle} is back. Nice art too!
I love the new art....I am glad this card is back to stop PW's, and LOL Troll. Plus Scavage as well.
It'll be better than {Doom blade} in a few years. π
I got the links working jester. I sent them to you in a pm.
Just ban snappy already
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
It'll be better than {Doom blade} in a few years. π
I don't agree. It's strictly worse than {go for the throat} gftt hits everything Cept artifacts. This doesn't hit multicolored cards or artifacts
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 14, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
Just ban snappy already
Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!
Sorry, but Wizards shouldn't have to design cards to be playable against one specific card.
And for that new kill spell.. what are the monocolor threats right now?
{Delver of Secrets}? {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}? I can't think of any more.. Refresh my memory!
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 14, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
Just ban snappy already
Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!
Sorry, but Wizards shouldn't have to design cards to be playable against one specific card.
And for that new kill spell.. what are the monocolor threats right now?
{Delver of Secrets}? {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}? I can't think of any more.. Refresh my memory!
Did you ever step to think for a second that given the flavor text of the card and the set it is in that it was designed to be anti-Golgari?
{thundermaw hellkite}
{restoration angel}
{sublime angel}
{Thragtusk}
{champion of parish}
{blade splicer}
{delver of secrets}
{gravecrawler}
{Thalia guardian of thraben}
{griselbrand}
{bloodline keeper}
{stromkirk noble}
Nobbert, in the DailyMTG article the card it's in, the author talks clearly about the qualities Ash Zealot was given to fight Snapcaster.
Also thanks will! Good list!
Quote from: Nobbert on September 14, 2012, 01:47:59 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 14, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
Just ban snappy already
Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!
Sorry, but Wizards shouldn't have to design cards to be playable against one specific card.
And for that new kill spell.. what are the monocolor threats right now?
{Delver of Secrets}? {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}? I can't think of any more.. Refresh my memory!
Did you ever step to think for a second that given the flavor text of the card and the set it is in that it was designed to be anti-Golgari?
Considering it kills MONOCOLORED creature, I'm not sure how it would be anti-Golgari {B}{G}...unless yΓΈΕ« mean {B} or {G} creature
Will, he's talking about Ash Zealot.
The new black kill spell is different, but it's over hyped. It's better than {doom blade} but worse than {go for the throat}.
It's a solid card, nothing great.
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 01:52:55 AM
Will, he's talking about Ash Zealot.
Oh! Ash Zealot is a great card! Implications for other formats too!
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 01:50:18 AM
Nobbert, in the DailyMTG article the card it's in, the author talks clearly about the qualities Ash Zealot was given to fight Snapcaster.
Also thanks will! Good list!
I take it the article was written by the card designer?
The article was Latest Developments, so probably....
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 14, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
Just ban snappy already
Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!
Sorry, but Wizards shouldn't have to design cards to be playable against one specific card.
And for that new kill spell.. what are the monocolor threats right now?
{Delver of Secrets}? {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}? I can't think of any more.. Refresh my memory!
Your looking at the card wrong. This is bound to be better in formats like legacy or modern. It kills bob which is powerful in its own right. I doubt this card will see too much play in standard, but in modern where Bob is massive CA, expect it to be in a few lists.
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 14, 2012, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
It'll be better than {Doom blade} in a few years. π
I don't agree. It's strictly worse than {go for the throat} gftt hits everything Cept artifacts. This doesn't hit multicolored cards or artifacts
I did say better than Doom Blade, didn't I? ??? I thought did, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. :-\
Hehehehe
GFTT is rotating out and this card can take out Zombies, which is pretty big at the mo.
Yeah you did say doom blade. I thought you were generalizing "2 cmc removal spell." It is indeed better than doom blade, but not as good as gftt.
Quote from: Death Gaara on September 14, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 14, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: Maximo on September 14, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
Just ban snappy already
Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!
Sorry, but Wizards shouldn't have to design cards to be playable against one specific card.
And for that new kill spell.. what are the monocolor threats right now?
{Delver of Secrets}? {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}? I can't think of any more.. Refresh my memory!
Your looking at the card wrong. This is bound to be better in formats like legacy or modern. It kills bob which is powerful in its own right. I doubt this card will see too much play in standard, but in modern where Bob is massive CA, expect it to be in a few lists.
How is it any better than {go for the throat}? Man I hate to repeat myself, but no one seems to be answering me.
I agree that GFTT will be better in the format we are moving into, but we're also losing GFTT.
We're people saying the same thing about GFTT when Mirrodin was out?
"Man, this card can't kill ANY of the new artifact creature right now. T_T"
There will always be a better card that just rotated. Always.
{Smother} was better then both {doom blade} and {go for the throat}
{Profetic prism} was better then {sphere of the suns}
And if you dont like the restrictions then you have the option of {murder}.
Golgari Decoy 3{G}
Elf Rogue
All creatures able to block Golgari Decoy do so.
Scavenge 3{G}{G} (3{G}{G}, Exile this card from your graveyard: Put a number of +1/+1 counter's equal to this card's power on target creature. Scavenge only as a sorcery.)
2/2
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135631&stc=1&d=1347596540)
Your gain, their pain.
It's possible for you to do it to yourself. Why, I have no idea, but I could probably think of something... ({Narcomoeba}?)
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 03:10:40 PM
It's possible for you to do it to yourself. Why, I have no idea, but I could probably think of something... ({Narcomoeba}?)
Interesting that we are getting dimir stuff so early. Get your playsets early.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135631&stc=1&d=1347596540)
Your gain, their pain.
Probably don't do it against scavenge mechanic tho.
However doing it to yourself with along with the scavenge mechanic for some new fodder I guess...
Don't forget to pack your {Tormod's Crypt}. π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135631&stc=1&d=1347596540)
Your gain, their pain.
Well, that seals the deal. I'm deffinately buying rtr common/uncommon playset.
Quote from: Wally on September 14, 2012, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
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Your gain, their pain.
Probably don't do it against scavenge mechanic tho.
However doing it to yourself with along with the scavenge mechanic for some new fodder I guess...
Hmmm. BUG scavenge. Interesting concept.
Edit: I wonder if it can be done cheaply enough, and with a little tempo/ramp could be good.
Some of the scavenge costs seem a little high to me, not having played them, though. Plus its useless if you don't have a creature in play. I dunno, could be good. π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 05:37:29 PM
Some of the scavenge costs seem a little high to me, not having played them, though. Plus its useless if you don't have a creature in play. I dunno, could be good. π
That is my problem with it. The scavenge cards so far are just so costly... It might price itself out of viability. With overload you can make the case for a "bigger" effect. Scavenge just adds counters.
Corpse jack will help scavenged ability. Corpse jack with {increasing savagery}? Yes please
New wierd creature is a boss
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 14, 2012, 07:21:36 PM
New wierd creature is a boss
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Blistercoil Weird {U}/{R}
Color: Blue, Red, UR
Type: Creature - Weird
Rarity: Uncommon
Set: Return to Ravnica
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, Blistercoil Weird gets +1/+1 until end of turn. Untap it.
Love the {rakdos charm}!!
Quote from: smokin terry on September 14, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
Love the {rakdos charm}!!
Very nice! Exile a gy is sorta odd though. π
Love the "kill'em with their own dudes" token/swarm hate. XD.
{Gelectrode}s 5 to 8. Excellent!
Now I have something to do with my {Dual Casting}. π
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 08:39:56 PM
{Gelectrode}s 5 to 8. Excellent!
Now I have something to do with my {Dual Casting}. π
No lie! That card was the reason I stopped buying AVR packs, think I'm at 6. XD
They should make:
Flamecaster Mage {1}{R}
Creature β Human Wizard
Flash
When Flamecaster Mage enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
P/T: 2 / 1
They won't because then my decks would just have 8 Snapcaster mages. :)
MaRo said he never thought to ask Taigo to change the colors.
But if they ban Snapcaster in enough formats, then they can print Flamecaster Mage.
Quote from: Phat Max on September 15, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
No lie! That card was the reason I stopped buying AVR packs, think I'm at 6. XD
Obviously it was an Izzet plant ahead of time.
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
I think rakdos will be a threat now! :(
HELL. TO. THE. YES.
that is all.
Rakdos, Lord of Riots...
I like him. It'll be interesting to see how people build around him.
Feel like you need a fast deck to get him out consistently, but also need fatties to really make use of his second ability. Not that a 6/6 flying trample for 4 isn't good enough :)
Holy crap
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 16, 2012, 11:03:27 AM
Holy crap
I 2nd this.
Pretty much confirms I'm going Rakdos at the prerelease, in the hopes of getting this monster. The final tilt of the scale after dreadbore and Rak's Return.
Quote from: Gorzo on September 16, 2012, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 16, 2012, 11:03:27 AM
Holy crap
I 2nd this.
Pretty much confirms I'm going Rakdos at the prerelease, in the hopes of getting this monster. The final tilt of the scale after dreadbore and Rak's Return.
Still picking Izzet, but I'd run Grixis for this guy alone!
So happy to see Rakdos gettin some love.
Wow Rakdos is looking sick!!!!
{Curse of the pierced heart} will actually see some constructed play.
But you can't cast him on your opponent's turn
Quote from: Super Sulcata on September 16, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
I think rakdos will be a threat now! :(
I think with all these cards that deal with loss of life, {Curse of the pierced heart} might see some play, also {curse of bloodletting}
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
But you can't cast him on your opponent's turn
i,ll echo this. rakdos doesn't have flash so pierced heart doesn't do much.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
But you can't cast him on your opponent's turn
Yea my bad, I was thinking it triggers on your upkeep and deals them damage then.
But man the possibilities are endless with this guy. I just dealt 15 damage to you.....I will cast {Emerakul, Aeon of Torns} for {0}. Ok 15 damage is a lot but even reducing CMC of say {4} means you can cast Titans for 2 colored mana.
I am in β€ with Rakdos is all I am saying π I liked it at first but this guy just made me a believer.
Combine this guy and {heartless summoning} equals lots and lots of really cheap creatures.
Yes. I'm do happy to see him. I really can't decide on rakdos or golgari now.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 16, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
Combine this guy and {heartless summoning} equals lots and lots of really cheap creatures.
I think combining him with Eldrazi, or Artifact, or at a minimum creatures with only 1 color in their CMC will allow for a tremendous abuse of this dude. Wow this guy has me excited.....I need to simmer down a bit :)
Everyone! Stop using {Bump in the Night} for a coaster! Time to sleeve up!
Quote from: Maximo on September 16, 2012, 01:32:51 PM
Everyone! Stop using {Bump in the Night} for a coaster! Time to sleeve up!
No kidding! Pay 1 mana for 3 damage + creatures cost {3} less for the turn? Yes please!
Strictly better than {Dark Ritual}. ;)
Quote from: Gorzo on September 16, 2012, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Maximo on September 16, 2012, 01:32:51 PM
Everyone! Stop using {Bump in the Night} for a coaster! Time to sleeve up!
No kidding! Pay 1 mana for 3 damage + creatures cost {3} less for the turn? Yes please!
Well technically you only get {2} off from your creature bc you spent one {B} to pay for BITN.
But for all your creatures, yes. Its a major upgrade investment. Standard is gunna be rocked by this and heartless summoning. You are gunna see T3-T4 Grizzels
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 16, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
Combine this guy and {heartless summoning} equals lots and lots of really cheap creatures.
That's what I'm doing.
T2 {somberwald sage}
T3 rakdos
T4 play any creature, Gisela comes to mind first. (id put a link, but i forget the {R}/{W} angel's title).
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 16, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
T2 {somberwald sage}
T3 rakdos
T4 play any creature, Gisela comes to mind first. (id put a link, but i forget the {R}/{W} angel's title).
This would need a swamp/mountain and a R/G or B/G dual land, depending on what your first land drop was. Gotta be lucky.
{B}{R}{W} Frites with Rakdos could be fun.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 16, 2012, 06:06:02 PM
{B}{R}{W} Frites with Rakdos could be fun.
I do like frites with legit hard casting abilities
Quote from: Maximo on September 16, 2012, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 16, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
T2 {somberwald sage}
T3 rakdos
T4 play any creature, Gisela comes to mind first. (id put a link, but i forget the {R}/{W} angel's title).
This would need a swamp/mountain and a R/G or B/G dual land, depending on what your first land drop was. Gotta be lucky.
{Blood Crypt}, {Stomping Grounds} (in Gatecrash), and {Overgrown Tomb} respectively.
I was actually trying to decide if Rakdos would fit in a Grites deck... Not sure if i would be able to cast him consistently. I want to say that Rakdos would be a 'win more' addition to the deck.
I am thinking a Frites Grixis deck with {havengul lich}........muwhahaha.
Quote from: Phat Max on September 16, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
I was actually trying to decide if Rakdos would fit in a Grites deck... Not sure if i would be able to cast him consistently. I want to say that Rakdos would be a 'win more' addition to the deck.
I gotta see more cards before I build a deck around anything at this point. A 6/6 flying trample legendary with a conditional casting cost is intriguing, downright nasty. But it might be a stretch to cast and keep alive. We must see.
Let there be war!! (still leaning Azorius)
I want to see more populate stuff or buffing stuff for selesnya. I need to make my choice soon and golgari is winning!!!! But {G}{W} always has a place in my heart.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 16, 2012, 10:20:46 PM
I want to see more populate stuff or buffing stuff for selesnya. I need to make my choice soon and golgari is winning!!!! But {G}{W} always has a place in my heart.
I like selesnya but black looks really solid.
It's like Death Gaara said in his article, the way to go with this standard build is gunna be probably three colors. I might go Jund or {B}{W}{G} tokens.
I made a jund control deck and it's fantastic on cockatrice so far. Won 2 matches...one against azorious control and one against jund zombies.
Rakdos is where I get most of my power, lovin this guild!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
I made a jund control deck and it's fantastic on cockatrice so far. Won 2 matches...one against azorious control and one against jund zombies.
Rakdos is where I get most of my power, lovin this guild!
Btw what deck were you using when i was spectating and asked about if you were using rtr? Was it that?
Btw add me im izik99
Call of the Conclave
Sorcery
Put a 3/3 green Centaur creature token onto the battlefield.
Centaurs are sent to evangelize in Gruul territories where words of war speak louder than prayers of peace.
Woo. The event decks are rakdos and golgari!
Glad for giant growth. More of the second most common card in M:tG history!!! Yay!!!
Giant growth is being reprinted?
Quote from: izik99 on September 16, 2012, 11:15:22 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
I made a jund control deck and it's fantastic on cockatrice so far. Won 2 matches...one against azorious control and one against jund zombies.
Rakdos is where I get most of my power, lovin this guild!
Btw what deck were you using when i was spectating and asked about if you were using rtr? Was it that?
Btw add me im izik99
Don't know...at first I made this heartless summoning deck and it failed SOOO BAD. Then I made this deck based on {Army of the Damned} and it is amazing
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 17, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
Quote from: izik99 on September 16, 2012, 11:15:22 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
I made a jund control deck and it's fantastic on cockatrice so far. Won 2 matches...one against azorious control and one against jund zombies.
Rakdos is where I get most of my power, lovin this guild!
Btw what deck were you using when i was spectating and asked about if you were using rtr? Was it that?
Btw add me im izik99
Don't know...at first I made this heartless summoning deck and it failed SOOO BAD. Then I made this deck based on {Army of the Damned} and it is amazing
{Army of the Damned}+{Jarad, Golgargi Lich Lord}
[/quote]{Army of the Damned}+{Jarad, Golgargi Lich Lord}
[/quote]
You gunna ramp to 39 mana??? Lmao π
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
OMFG!!!π²
Oo interesting. Like it! I have a "no creature spells" policy for mainboard sadly, though.
But I still have good 4 drops...I can have have liliana of the dark clothing give one zombie +8/+8 until end of turn, or have chandra copy an army of the damned for 26 zombies! :)
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 17, 2012, 12:43:07 AM
Oo interesting. Like it! I have a "no creature spells" policy for mainboard sadly, though.
But I still have good 4 drops...I can have have liliana of the dark clothing give one zombie +8/+8 until end of turn, or have chandra copy an army of the damned for 26 zombies! :)
Yah I saw it Jund deck but did u notice the keysrune
Cards they are effing ridiculous
And giant growth is back
Yeah I think I will have to put thekesurowhatever in there, along with golgari one. Chromatic lantern is good but 1 of each manlandartifact wouldn't hurt! :)
AND MAN, these cards are just fantasticalasticalorgasmical!!! EVEN THE COMMONS AND UNCOMMONS ARE GOOD OMG
I love that they are bringin back arrest. So good. AND TALK ABOUT UNDERRATED CARDS????? GG IS GUNNA BE OP IN STANDARD.
Why did they create the new detain mechanic when arrest does the same thing they should've called it arrest till end of turn
Quote from: Poof on September 17, 2012, 01:00:04 AM
Why did they create the new detain mechanic when arrest does the same thing they should've called it arrest till end of turn
Very true but theyve had too many annoyed fans complain about cards like {lifelink}
Edit: complaint being the name is the ability.
2 new counterspell reprints: {Cancel} and {Dispel}.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 17, 2012, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Poof on September 17, 2012, 01:00:04 AM
Why did they create the new detain mechanic when arrest does the same thing they should've called it arrest till end of turn
Very true but theyve had too many annoyed fans complain about cards like {lifelink}
Why????
Quote from: Poof on September 17, 2012, 01:00:04 AM
Why did they create the new detain mechanic when arrest does the same thing they should've called it arrest till end of turn
When you arrest someone, it's pretty permanent. Detain only lasts a turn. It still has a similar vibe to it.
Search the City, huh?
JANK!
:D
Quote from: Maximo on September 17, 2012, 02:47:20 AM
Search the City, huh?
JANK!
:D
{relentless rats} come to mind.
Hope they announce birds of paradise soon...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 17, 2012, 08:22:38 AM
Hope they announce birds of paradise soon...
They have to save SOMETHING great for GateCrash ;) Birds can fly with Simic this time.
Mehh... With only 11 cards left to reveal, there still isn't anything that sparks an improvement for my deck... Guess I'll have to wait for gatecrash π’
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
More cards revealed
I think I jizzed my pants!!!π
I just saw {civic saber} and I jizzed a bit.
Imagine for a moment. Turn three {prisimatic omen} and civic saber.
Turn four: {knight of new alara}
Turn five: {fusion elemental} equip with saber. π my prog deck is gunna get some new toys!!!!!
Sigh...Izzet isn't going to be the best guild in RtR
Can we please stop talking about jizzing?
Sorry BJ. Will toned down on the j'ing.
But ya, in amped for this pre-release! It'll be my first!!!!
I'm excited. I have excellent luck at prereleases. For Dark Ascension I opened {Huntmaster of the Fells} and {Balefire Dragon}, and at AVR I got {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} and {Zealous Conscripts}.
I've never been to a pre release but I think I'm gonna go the this one it seems like it would be a lot of fun
Ive lost count but i think everything is pretty much wrapped up
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Maybe i just missed it, but whats golgari charm? Have we seen it yet?
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 17, 2012, 07:18:28 PM
Maybe i just missed it, but whats golgari charm? Have we seen it yet?
Actually that hasn't been revealed but it will soon prob today or next week
{Rest in Peace} seems interesting. Splashible Golgari hoser. Stops tokens from triggering death effects. Cheap enough to cast. Gonna be seeing a lot of sideboard action, and beats up on Solar Flare and Frites.
I am just glad they spoiled the good stuff first and saved the limited stuff at the end.
Still waiting on the Golgari charm, Selesnya and Azorius guild mages and a big secret. Still more to be spoiled!
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=135766&stc=1&d=1347930886
Hahahah! Victory by filibuster! Oh, if only we still had Venser and {Stonehorn Dignitary}! That is so awesome.
OMG I AM SO GETTING THIS GUY?!! Just for the fact that they used the word filibuster!!!! And my flicker control deck would love this.
OMFG SO FREAKING BROKEN WITH FREAKING TURBOFOG+PROLIFERATE TURBOFOG IS NOW VIABLE IN EVERY FORMAT!!!!!!!
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 17, 2012, 10:57:51 PM
OMFG SO FREAKING BROKEN WITH FREAKING TURBOFOG+PROLIFERATE TURBOFOG IS NOW VIABLE IN EVERY FORMAT!!!!!!!
Turbo fog + proliferate + {paradox haze} π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³π³
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 17, 2012, 10:57:51 PM
OMFG SO FREAKING BROKEN WITH FREAKING TURBOFOG+PROLIFERATE TURBOFOG IS NOW VIABLE IN EVERY FORMAT!!!!!!!
Ummm, you mean Populate, right?
I don't think Populate really helps TurboFog. Nice to have another {1}{G} fog though.
Edit: nvm, you were talking about the filibuster dude, not the new fog effect.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 17, 2012, 09:33:15 PM
Still waiting on the Golgari charm, Selesnya and Azorius guild mages and a big secret. Still more to be spoiled!
All the guildmages are already spoiled
Azorius has... I havent seen selesnya
Look at my link in the previous page u will probably have to look through the first five pages, lots of stuff got revealed today
Yeah {W}{G}{U} turbo fog is going to be very viable. I can see myself building that deck.
Quote from: Wally on September 18, 2012, 04:59:22 AM
Yeah {W}{G}{U} turbo fog is going to be very viable. I can see myself building that deck.
Too bad it wont be in standard. Tfog is useless without {rites of flourishing}, then it's just fog with a small hand an not enough fog.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 18, 2012, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: Wally on September 18, 2012, 04:59:22 AM
Yeah {W}{G}{U} turbo fog is going to be very viable. I can see myself building that deck.
Too bad it wont be in standard. Tfog is useless without {rites of flourishing}, then it's just fog with a small hand an not enough fog.
I'm sure with all those blue cards out there there must be some way to draw extra cards, (gosh, could even use {staff of nin}) and well green surely still has some mana ramping. (it looks like every color has one of those tap for mana artifacts)
Might need to think outside the box a bit, but those are the decks I like making :)
Quote from: Wally on September 18, 2012, 08:53:21 AM
I'm sure with all those blue cards out there there must be some way to draw extra cards, (gosh, could even use {staff of nin}) and well green surely still has some mana ramping. (it looks like every color has one of those tap for mana artifacts)
Might need to think outside the box a bit, but those are the decks I like making :)
The idea is you want your opponent playing their threats faster than normal so each fog and wrath covers more of their stratagy. I suppose if you got really creative with {otherworld atlas} you might be able to pull something off, but without them playing double lands they wont be playig theirbthreats fast enough and will still have steam when you are finally out of stall spells.
On the flip side a classic blue white control deck with a fog twist might actually work pretty well. My mentors however would say "why take the slots that could be used for more control to splash an inferior deck into it?" I do love proving them wrong...when i can
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
More cards revealed includes golgari charm
Is there a card like {deciever exarch} being printed in rtr? Something that untaps a permanent And/or artifact you control?
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 18, 2012, 09:16:38 PM
Is there a card like {deciever exarch} being printed in rtr? Something that untaps a permanent And/or artifact you control?
{zealous conscripts} keeps those combos alive.
Selesnya guildmage feels too slow to me, and I can't help but feel that {Firemind's Foresight} is janky.
And like someone said earlier, it seems there's a TON of rares in this set.
Rtr commons: 30
Uncommons : 14
Rares 190
Mythics: 30
:P
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 19, 2012, 08:31:52 AM
Rtr commons: 30
Uncommons : 14
Rares 190
Mythics: 30
:P
Is that true? Or am I just gullible. Sad story for those (like me) who were looking to purchase a play set of common and uncommon..
So every color has a graveyard hoser. Every guild has an uncounterable cycle. Every guild has great removal. So knowing what we know now, who's up for rating the guilds? I know things still have to be broken, and interactions we wouldn't expect haven't dawned on us. Let's go for some gross criticism!
Izzet - C
Expensive. Overload costs a fortune. It's creature abilities cost a fortune. I don't imagine playing overload at all, and for that reason they get a low mark. The spells are weak and cost a lot for minimal effects, but then the overload becomes injustified. Would have liked to see more burn and more library manipulation.
Golgari - C-
Another costly ability. Scavenge costs too much, minimal effects and you can still bounce the creatures. Would have liked to see more destroy spells and more graveyard certainty (every color has a very very cheap way of keeping creatures outta graveyards. {Rest in Peace})
Azorius - B+
Best guild I've seen so far, and actually the closest to each color identity. It combines white weenies with what is essentially tap effects ({Arrest}). I think the ability can create a lot of tempo, and the removal cards {Detention Sphere}, {Azorius Charm} and other blue spells ({Unsummon}, {Cyclonic Rift}, {Terminus} ect.) is gonna help. The real star here is white, blue has taken a step back for now, but it will be back.
Selesnya - B
Tokens are great, populate is great. Tons and tons of room here for improvement. It appears to have the most interesting strategy. It has a number of ways of getting the same job done, and I'm looking forward to trying it out.
Rakdos - B-
Of all the guilds, Rakdos strikes me as needing the most help from other cards. It's going to need Innistrad block to be playable, otherwise it has a lot of drawback creatures, fair amount of burn and some life loss. I'm giving it a good grade. Massive improvement over previous Rakdos. The "evil carnival" vibe is great flavor wise.
Personally I like the idea that we are moving further away from turn 3-5 win decks in standard. I like the idea that we will see more cards being played and that games will be more interesting. Especially with guild themes (I wasn't around for the last one) but I'm actually excited at how this will play out.
Also dudecore I think you are under selling the power of overload. Especially against hex proof creatures, etc. also do note that it seems that every guild has some ramp, so that extra stretch of mana may not be that hard.
As already mentioned, we will see many more 3 colored decks being played which I believe will open up to many more possibilities.
Also I understand the main focus will be around standard, but I'm also interested to see how the new set will affect the other formats like extended and modern, and even commander.
I don't predict that hexproof creatures will really be a problem going forward (maybe Dimir?) and they represent a low number of creatures anyway ({Geist of Saint Traft} andddddd....?). The overload benefits are good, then downright expensive for little in return. I am not sold. Even {cyclonic rift} I purchased because I want {disperse} back, I have no intention of actually using its effect.
I play only sealed and EDH, and overload is by far the bet mechanic for both of those. In sealed, nothing is better than early game value and late game value.
Quote from: Wally on September 19, 2012, 09:02:46 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on September 19, 2012, 08:31:52 AM
Rtr commons: 30
Uncommons : 14
Rares 190
Mythics: 30
:P
Is that true? Or am I just gullible. Sad story for those (like me) who were looking to purchase a play set of common and uncommon..
VERY gullable. ;D
Probably something more along these lines:
111 C + 70 U + 53 R + 15 M + 25 L = 274 cards.
from: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=444225
Quote from: Nobbert on September 19, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
I play only sealed and EDH, and overload is by far the bet mechanic for both of those. In sealed, nothing is better than early game value and late game value.
Scavenge has both.
You'd have to buy about 6 boxes to get a playset of rares (maybe, no guarentee). So maybe a playset for $500 (common, uncommon and rare) isn't such a bad deal. You forgo the mythics and foils...but you do get the cards.
Also, this is going to probably be the most opened set in history. These card values may plummet. We shall see.
Not as much as you might think. Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can afford 6 boxes, and the number of active players continues to grow. The rares might be a little cheaper while the set is in print and once it leaves the prices will rise again.
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/finance/24807-The-Financial-Value-Of-Return-To-Ravnica-Daily-Update-Edition.html
Quote from: BlackJester on September 19, 2012, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: Nobbert on September 19, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
I play only sealed and EDH, and overload is by far the bet mechanic for both of those. In sealed, nothing is better than early game value and late game value.
Scavenge has both.
Indeed it does, however the amount of golgaru creatures with trample is low, so chump blocking your beefed creatures seems easy. Not to mention I'd rather be casting something with that six mana rather than putting a few counters on a creature.
More cards spoiled
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
Quote from: Nobbert on September 19, 2012, 02:05:59 PM
Indeed it does, however the amount of golgaru creatures with trample is low, so chump blocking your beefed creatures seems easy. Not to mention I'd rather be casting something with that six mana rather than putting a few counters on a creature.
Of course, but you have that option with Scavenge. {2}{G}{G} for a 5/5 body that if/when it dies is ALSO a spell in your gy is good late game. It's like having more cards in hand, like flashback or unearth.
I think RtR will be more about the mid-to-late game.
So do we think G/W will be the way to for prerealease? Lots of token gen.
I think azurious
Lots of good blue spells outside of the guild theme. Same with White. Cant really say the reverse about selesneya and Izzet. Just my take though.
Quote from: Imdowd80 on September 19, 2012, 02:50:15 PM
So do we think G/W will be the way to for prerealease? Lots of token gen.
That was my plan...
Quote from: Imdowd80 on September 19, 2012, 02:50:15 PM
So do we think G/W will be the way to for prerealease? Lots of token gen.
I dont think theyre very good, because unless you have a grove of the guardian, 5 mana, and 2 untapped creatures, youll really just be populating 3/3s at most
1/1 tokens win games
In. My be tokens
All cards have been spoiled
http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
I think a junk deck will definitely be viable. In fact, my plan is looking pretty good right now
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 20, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
I think a junk deck will definitely be viable. In fact, my plan is looking pretty good right now
My friend is planing on doing a Junk reanimater deck.
4 the prereliSe do you think I should go bg
Or the ub guild
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on September 20, 2012, 06:57:03 PM
4 the prereliSe do you think I should go bg
Or the ub guild
Dimir isn't in RTR
Golgari BG
izzet UR
selesnya GW
azorious UW
Rakdos BR
Need 22 more pages.
Quote from: bravado883 on September 20, 2012, 06:30:20 PM
I was considering moving away from GW but then they went and spoiled Armada Wurm. It is now my goal to abuse that card as much as possible. 6 for two 5/5s with trample AND it's flicker-capable? Yes please mmmmmmmmn...who doesn't want to curve into Thragtusk followed by that?
Don't forget populate capabilities for that wurm token.
I just want to use {Conjured Currency} in EDH now...
I'm thinking that between Azorius, Izzet, and Rakdos... I'll find cards to play with :)
Should I go gb or should I go gw for the prerelease can't diside
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on September 21, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
Should I go gb or should I go gw for the prerelease can't diside
I think selesnia would be the better choice for the prerelease.
Armada wurm
{2}{G}{G}{W}{W}
trample
etb get a 5/5 trample wurm
5/5
I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE!!! I, QUACKMASTER5, have finally decided on my guild for the prerelease!!!! I know many.....MANY!!! Of you have been eagerly waiting for my decision. And it has been a tough one. The moment you have all been waiting for!
I will be choosing.....
Wait for it......
Wait a little longer......
WAITING SO MUCH YOUR MIND IS EXPLODI---- it's selesyna.
As much as I want this to reach 80 pages, I think there is nothing more to say in this thread...lol
Yes there is.
Bazinga!
What's the format for everyone's prerelease? I've got three - sealed, THG and another sealed.
Quote from: Inaja on September 21, 2012, 03:45:47 PM
What's the format for everyone's prerelease? I've got three - sealed, THG and another sealed.
Just sealed and draft nothing special here.
Sealed and THG here too
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 21, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 21, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
Sealed and THG here too
Man I would like some THG
You don't get to play two headed? It's heaps of fun if you hit the right cards. We usually don't get to share cards tho, so that makes it pretty hard.
Quote from: Wally on September 21, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 21, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 21, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
Sealed and THG here too
Man I would like some THG
You don't get to play two headed? It's heaps of fun if you hit the right cards. We usually don't get to share cards tho, so that makes it pretty hard.
The only time I get to play some THG is when me and my friends play. Never in a tournement atomosphere. Your lucky.
I would love to do a THG sealed.
I looked on my new lgs site and they are giving out random guild packs!!!!! I want either selesnya or golgari but I have to trade my guild pack!! If I get stuck with izzet I'm going to be tickedπ‘
No offense to you izzet fans
None taken.
And that's 80 pages, folks! Until next time.
Still two weeks left. Lmao.
Quote from: smokin terry on September 21, 2012, 06:06:42 PM
I would love to do a THG sealed.
Agreed, I keep trying to get my LGS to do one. But no such luck
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 23, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
Still two weeks left. Lmao.
Isn't the prerelease this coming weekend?
Gw aggro well become a great deck type with that new wurm and other stuff and the shock lands for turn 1 mana dork going to miss birds throw
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on September 23, 2012, 05:51:12 PM
Gw aggro well become a great deck type with that new wurm and other stuff and the shock lands for turn 1 mana dork going to miss birds throw
Pilgrim is better for gw Aggro anyways.
Official Card List (FWIW):
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 21, 2012, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 21, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 21, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 21, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
Sealed and THG here too
Man I would like some THG
You don't get to play two headed? It's heaps of fun if you hit the right cards. We usually don't get to share cards tho, so that makes it pretty hard.
The only time I get to play some THG is when me and my friends play. Never in a tournement atomosphere. Your lucky.
Sorry I ment to add that we're I'm playing we have 2 THG, 3 sealed deaks, and one archenemy.?friday-Sunday!!!
Dang 80 pages!
Can't wait Untill the prerealease