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Title: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 10:56:51 PM
To discuss any theros spoilers, speculation, questions, etc. If a mod could sticky this, I'd be glad. Please stay on topic, people.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:02:36 PM
New Chandra. New Garruk. I'm guessing the plot involves them somehow.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:05:56 PM
Elspeth, i feel, would really fit. Maybe just some of the rather old walkers?
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:06:34 PM
Thanks, someone, for stickyting this.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
Gideon could be a spartan. Though the Spartans seem very {W}{U}

They were very calm and collected in battle (thanks to soothing music played before hand) yet they were a military, trained very hard and were very disciplined
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:11:13 PM
Maybe three colour? That'd be great, since the Spartans, I think, we're {W}{R}with a splash of {U}
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Monrodesign on June 15, 2013, 11:12:27 PM
Karn.

Wish Venser didn't die, I'd like to see him back.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:14:30 PM
I thought an angel brought him back for his selflessness...
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:15:40 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on June 15, 2013, 11:12:27 PM
Karn.

Wish Venser didn't die, I'd like to see him back.
I know how you feel...  Venser needs to be reincarnated, along with urza.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:15:40 PM
I don't think red fits the Spartans. Red is raw emotion. The Spartans took steps to completely remove emotion from there soilders before combat. Therefore, the soilders could think better and make better desicion's. they definitly favored thought over emotion
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:16:34 PM
You forget red's fighting for what they believe in, passion, and stuff.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:16:52 PM
If the Spartans had magic they could definitly trump the boros

Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:16:34 PM
You forget red's fighting for what they believe in, passion, and stuff.
Yes, though red also charges in without thinking. The Spartans never did that I think
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
Let me just say, planeswalkers that represent Greek gods.

Athena=Elspeth due to the fact the both specialize in battle strategies.

Aphrodite=Nissa because, I don't know sex appeal???  I still don't get why Nissa is so expensive...

Zeus=Chandra-like walker or just Chandra

Hades=New Walker

Ares=Koth/Sarkhan

Hephestus=Tezzeret


That's all I can think of at the moment.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Iandtormentor on June 15, 2013, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
Let me just say, planeswalkers that represent Greek gods.

Athena=Elspeth due to the fact the both specialize in battle strategies.

Aphrodite=Nissa because, I don't know sex appeal???  I still don't get why Nissa is so expensive...

Zeus=Chandra-like walker or just Chandra

Hades=New Walker

Ares=Koth/Sarkhan

Hephestus=Tezzeret


That's all I can think of at the moment.
aphrodite flavor text will be like :P
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:26:30 PM
The symbols are

U=Blue
B=Black
G=Green
W=White
R=Red

If your trying to do the color circles ;)
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:27:07 PM
I though Aphrodite was the Goddess of love. So maybe {R}{G}? Or she came from sea foam so {R}{U} or {G}{U}? Maybe she is {R}{G}{U}?
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:27:47 PM
I think {r}{g}
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Iandtormentor on June 15, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:27:07 PM
I though Aphrodite was the Goddess of love. So maybe {R}{G}? Or she came from sea foam so {R}{U} or {G}{U}? Maybe she is {R}{G}{U}?
why would Aphrodite be {R}{G} :o( or red at all for that matter)
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Crapshooter on June 15, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 15, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:27:07 PM
I though Aphrodite was the Goddess of love. So maybe {R}{G}? Or she came from sea foam so {R}{U} or {G}{U}? Maybe she is {R}{G}{U}?
why would Aphrodite be {R}{G} :o( or red at all for that matter)

I can see that for Artemis maybe.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
Artimus could be Nissa.  Elves are usually archers.  And Artimes's followers could be like the mass of elves
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 15, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:27:07 PM
I though Aphrodite was the Goddess of love. So maybe {R}{G}? Or she came from sea foam so {R}{U} or {G}{U}? Maybe she is {R}{G}{U}?
why would Aphrodite be {R}{G} :o( or red at all for that matter)
red is about emotions. She invokes certain emotions in people (the goddess of love)
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:33:13 PM
Red is also passion and emotion. Why does everyone forget that?
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:33:47 PM
Aphrodite should be Lilliana! XD
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:34:51 PM
Okay then...
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 15, 2013, 11:33:47 PM
Aphrodite should be Lilliana! XD
well. If you read her history she was a temptress. She seduced Jace after all
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:36:16 PM
But honestly it's all selfishness and greed stuff, not much real compassion.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 15, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:36:16 PM
But honestly it's all selfishness and greed stuff, not much real compassion.
True. Though she did develope real feelings for Jace
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Tidds123 on June 16, 2013, 12:21:17 AM
I doubt the "Gods" will be represented by planeswalkers  but rather crazy amazing legendary creatures. And maybe their "Zeus" could be a crazy awesome new planeswalkers  probably released in the last expansion of the block. Like karn in the latest Mirrodin block   But I'm down for anything.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Crapshooter on June 16, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Aphrodite wasn't always that virtuous. Married to Hephaestus by Zeus and Hera, she then slept with ares and was caught and displayed in midst of the act by the lame good himself. Not am insult, this is how he's referenced in mythology.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: MarduArrow on June 16, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: Crapshooter on June 16, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Aphrodite wasn't always that virtuous. Married to Hephaestus by Zeus and Hera, she then slept with ares and was caught and displayed in midst of the act by the lame good himself. Not am insult, this is how he's referenced in mythology.

Lame meaning his leg is deformed, which if I remember correctly happened when Hera threw him off Olympus as a baby because he was ugly
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Crapshooter on June 16, 2013, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: S717 on June 16, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: Crapshooter on June 16, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Aphrodite wasn't always that virtuous. Married to Hephaestus by Zeus and Hera, she then slept with ares and was caught and displayed in midst of the act by the lame good himself. Not am insult, this is how he's referenced in mythology.

Lame meaning his leg is deformed, which if I remember correctly happened when Hera threw him off Olympus as a baby because he was ugly

Actually he was lame due to he was hera's creation, just as Athena was born solely from Zeus. Sorry had this as a class and I guess to much stuck with me.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 16, 2013, 12:50:22 AM
Quote from: Crapshooter on June 16, 2013, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: S717 on June 16, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: Crapshooter on June 16, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Aphrodite wasn't always that virtuous. Married to Hephaestus by Zeus and Hera, she then slept with ares and was caught and displayed in midst of the act by the lame good himself. Not am insult, this is how he's referenced in mythology.

Lame meaning his leg is deformed, which if I remember correctly happened when Hera threw him off Olympus as a baby because he was ugly

Actually he was lame due to he was hera's creation, just as Athena was born solely from Zeus. Sorry had this as a class and I guess to much stuck with me.
Zues consumed his pregnant first wife. The child was still half hers, its just he gave birth to Athena
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 16, 2013, 12:52:35 AM
This is all ggiving me nightmares. Van we just get back to the non disgusting stuff?
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 16, 2013, 01:15:41 AM
I think I know who Medusa is! ;)
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: That_Guy on June 16, 2013, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 16, 2013, 01:15:41 AM
I think I know who Medusa is! ;)
*cough*VRASKA*cough*

RE:  {Vraska the Unseen}
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: That_Guy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:30 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on June 16, 2013, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 16, 2013, 01:15:41 AM
I think I know who Medusa is! ;)
*cough*VRASKA*cough*
Oh my god Ral might be zuess :O

RE:  {Ral Zarek}
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Gorzo on June 16, 2013, 05:30:50 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 16, 2013, 12:52:35 AM
This is all ggiving me nightmares. Van we just get back to the non disgusting stuff?

I'm not sure there is an any non disgusting stuff in Greek mythology :P it's pretty damn messed up.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 16, 2013, 09:39:33 AM
Think we'll get a Pandora's box like card? Trojan horse? I'd love to see a cycle of cards that are given to the opponent when they ETB. And build a deck around them :D
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: rarehuntertay on June 16, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Since  {Noble Hierarch} wasn't reprinted, and it seems like a seer, and that exalted would fit in with a mythology themed block, can we see exalted return?
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on June 16, 2013, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 16, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Since  {Noble Hierarch} wasn't reprinted, and it seems like a seer, and that exalted would fit in with a mythology themed block, can we see exalted return?
maybe...exalted could also be considered {worship}. So we may see it in a block that has Gods...although it was brought back in M13 set, so I doubt it
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 16, 2013, 02:19:29 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:30 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on June 16, 2013, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 16, 2013, 01:15:41 AM
I think I know who Medusa is! ;)
*cough*VRASKA*cough*
Oh my god Ral might be zuess :O
Maybe with white, sure, but Ral is a little mire wild than Zeus
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Pete on June 16, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
I'm hoping for some  {Damnation}  {Wrath of God} or  {Day of Judgment} reprints. Goes with the flavor.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 16, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
How the heck did I not realize this! Graduer! That mechanic from future sight! It might be in theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 16, 2013, 08:04:59 PM
{Baru, fist of Krosa}

If it is an enchantment block we could see aura swap
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 17, 2013, 08:11:12 AM
I love aura swap, it is so much fun when you put an {Eldrazi Conscriptions} for the swap. :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on June 17, 2013, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 16, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
How the heck did I not realize this! Graduer! That mechanic from future sight! It might be in theros

{Korlash, Heir to Blackblade} reprint!?!?!  That'd be sweet!  I don't see it happening though 😓
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 17, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
If we do have reprint abilities from old sets, I'd love a reprint of suspend, and maybe {jhoira of the ghitu} would be awesome. I don't predict it, though. It does sound like aggro/ enchant centered to me.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on June 17, 2013, 05:07:47 PM
You guys are getting my hopes up way too high with this talk of Korlash and Jhoira hopes and dreams :P
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 17, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
You people are setting us up for disappointment! ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MisterJH on June 17, 2013, 08:30:19 PM
Forreal id love to be able to use
My spanish jhoira, i somewhat hate all of ou right now
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 17, 2013, 09:30:12 PM
I just realized how good the black graduer creature is with {Liliana, of the Dark Realms}. :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 12:01:49 AM
Korlash is just a sick card!  I want to see him again :(
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 18, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
I doubt they'll do any reprints, except maybe walkers.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
I want Jace and Liliana to have had a baby and she could be a Planeswalker.  I mean that's who is on {Syncopate}, right? 😏
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 19, 2013, 07:49:36 AM
I only mentioned grandeur because it would fit Narcissis. So it seemed like a likely possibility
Narcissis could look like this

{B}{B}{3}

Creature-human

{B}{B}{T}: search your library for a card named CARDNAME and put it in your hand. Shuffle your library afterward

Grandeur-discard a card named CARDNAME. Put X +1/+1 counters on CARDNAME were X is CARDNAME's power. You lose X life

1/1
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on June 19, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
I want Jace and Liliana to have had a baby and she could be a Planeswalker.  I mean that's who is on {Syncopate}, right? 😏
they get married I thought liliana just had a crush on jace?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on June 19, 2013, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 19, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
I want Jace and Liliana to have had a baby and she could be a Planeswalker.  I mean that's who is on {Syncopate}, right? 😏
they get married I thought liliana just had a crush on jace?

They knocked boots on Ravnica. Then Liliana betrayed him to Tezzeret. Planeswalkers weren't a card type at the time, or we'd have our 6th Jace by now.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on June 19, 2013, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on June 19, 2013, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 19, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
I want Jace and Liliana to have had a baby and she could be a Planeswalker.  I mean that's who is on {Syncopate}, right? 😏
they get married I thought liliana just had a crush on jace?

They knocked boots on Ravnica. Then Liliana betrayed him to Tezzeret. Planeswalkers weren't a card type at the time, or we'd have our 6th Jace by now.
oh ok.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 20, 2013, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 19, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
I want Jace and Liliana to have had a baby and she could be a Planeswalker.  I mean that's who is on {Syncopate}, right? 😏
they get married I thought liliana just had a crush on jace?
It was really kallist with Jace's mind...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2013, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 20, 2013, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 19, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
I want Jace and Liliana to have had a baby and she could be a Planeswalker.  I mean that's who is on {Syncopate}, right? 😏
they get married I thought liliana just had a crush on jace?
It was really kallist with Jace's mind...

Hm?  I need to finish that book.  What I got was Jace and Kallist basically swapped bodies and Kallist had his mind blown apart by Jace, and then Kallist was killed and Jace was recruited by Tezzeret.  Liliana was with Jace the whole time, knowing it was him and not Kallist, but I don't remember what happened to her when Jace went to the Consortium.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 20, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
Almost perfect, but she did think it was Kallist.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 20, 2013, 05:06:21 PM
Well I'm lost...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on June 20, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 20, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
Almost perfect, but she did think it was Kallist.

I could've sworn she knew it was jace. I'll need to go back and reread that.

Flicker, it's from a book called "Agents of Artifice"
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 20, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
Agents of Artifice.

Is there any digital copies.
What genre technically.
How much?

I want to find it now, and read throughly.  Probably do some projects for them.  :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 20, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 20, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
Agents of Artifice.

Is there any digital copies.
What genre technically.
How much?

I want to find it now, and read throughly.  Probably do some projects for them.  :)
Yes. Online, kindle, and google play books.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 20, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
Nook?

Edit: I found it.  Looks like I'll be reading for awhile.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on June 21, 2013, 03:23:36 AM
Good books might want to read
The Purifying Fire
Test of Metal
Plus the online comics

Man I wish they'd make more novels 😪
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Which one should I read first?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 21, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Anyone think theros might care about mono-colored decks?

Aka color keywords?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 21, 2013, 08:53:43 AM
The set after it is code named "Huewy" "Dewy" and "Lewy" which makes me think multi-colored again
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 21, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Which one should I read first?
If anything, read The Sexretist first. Great, and the RtR block. Three 100-page parts.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on June 21, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Which one should I read first?
Agents
Putrefying
Test
That's the order they came out.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Destore117 on June 21, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Back to the whole Greek god idea. Which one would Nicol Bolas be?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 21, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
I actualy am hoping I'm wrong
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Rasser on June 21, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Which one should I read first?
Agents
Putrefying
Test
That's the order they came out.
What about 'Curse of the Chain Veil'?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 21, 2013, 06:54:57 PM
http://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2013/03/what-we-learned-pax-east-march-25/

They tell there plans for the set "born of the gods" In this article
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on June 21, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
Using ravnica city of guilds and lorewyn as a template we can expect strong two color synergy possibly with hybrid mana.

Going back to mono color after a gold set is awkward and we will not get another gold set. Rosewater has said on many occasions that multicolor (gold) sets need to be spaced out.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 21, 2013, 07:34:27 PM
Ah ok. Cool
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rass on June 26, 2013, 06:09:38 PM
Just throwing this out there but I wounded if the dual land will be the other five they left out from the SoM block.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 26, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
MaRo said they are not doing dual lands because they are low in demand
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rass on June 26, 2013, 06:13:10 PM
Ok thanks just would like to see the rest one day
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 26, 2013, 06:31:47 PM
Does anyone know about the "_______ of phobus" cards? I heard they're doing those.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on June 26, 2013, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Rasser on June 21, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 21, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Which one should I read first?
Agents
Putrefying
Test
That's the order they came out.
What about 'Curse of the Chain Veil'?
I don't think that book was ever released.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 26, 2013, 06:54:48 PM
Then I'm guessing it be coming out soon...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 28, 2013, 07:36:12 AM
{bridge from below} fits the underworld? Or maybe that picture was realy innistrad?

Edit: yea. The guy is wearing innistrad-y clothes
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on June 28, 2013, 12:06:13 PM
I feel that theros block will maybe have some hybrid in it. Not like rtr block with multicolored. Also birdbrain, maro said that the code names have nothing to do with the set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on June 28, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
I don't know if {Bridge from Below} will be printed again (outside the obvious Modern Masters reprint). It is extremely confusing as to what it actually does, and we just left Innistrad - which is the perfect setting for a reprint of that card.

I can imagine something functionally similar to it, but probably more apparent as to how it functions.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 29, 2013, 08:24:11 PM
Anyone have insight onto the Walkers? I think they should make a new Koth and Nicol Bolas. I think Nicy because this is a plane he would like, it seems, and if there's a plane like this he's probably in on it. While the others were ducking it out on Ravnica, he probably had gotten half Tfe plane already. Koth because he fits in this, and they haven't done him for awhile.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on June 29, 2013, 11:23:14 PM
Does anybody else think the scry mechanic could come back in this set. Scrying is a mechanic to let you see the future and Greek mythology does have stories that deal with seeing or changing the future.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on June 30, 2013, 12:32:53 AM
Seems possible they'll try to bring back old mechanics...


(Screaming} BANDING!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 30, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
Would threshold fit?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on June 30, 2013, 10:46:47 AM
I wanna see the leveling up stuff like with demigods or soldiers and stuff like that with level counters
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on June 30, 2013, 12:49:37 PM
I think we might see a certain reprint from homelands. Now before you all go -1ing me.

{labyrinth Minotaur}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quackmaster5 on July 01, 2013, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 30, 2013, 12:32:53 AM
Seems possible they'll try to bring back old mechanics...


(Screaming} BANDING!

YES!!!! And make things that help banding!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!

SPARTANSSSSSS!!!!! BAND TOGETHER!!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on July 01, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
I have a feeling we will be seeing {Elspeth} here, but I have nothing to back that up with
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 01, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Vyse on July 01, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
I have a feeling we will be seeing {Elspeth} here, but I have nothing to back that up with
i read something about someone finding her fighting in an arena once...forget which planeswalker is was reading about at the time though...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 01, 2013, 10:46:24 PM
I would say Gideon, but we just had him.
Koth?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on July 01, 2013, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 01, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Vyse on July 01, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
I have a feeling we will be seeing {Elspeth} here, but I have nothing to back that up with
i read something about someone finding her fighting in an arena once...forget which planeswalker is was reading about at the time though...
it was Ajani
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on July 05, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
Well, we do know for certain now that Theros is getting dual lands. I'm gonna guess a set of buddy and a set of enemy spread throughout the block. Since both the core and innistrad lands rotate out at the same time.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on July 05, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
I have my fingers crossed for a set of {Grove of the Burnwillows} type lands. It's a pipe-dream, I know, but it would make me very happy.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on July 05, 2013, 05:18:14 PM
I still don't know why you think they will give is more duals.
I mean we have both shock land of all colours. And if that's not enough we also have guildgates. Both are already dual lands. With the mana fixing that's already there via the artifatcs (key runes, clue stones, prism and lantern) on top of that we have some lands that do some prism type of mana fix, and the stage that can dupe a mana fix land)
I wouldn't be surprised if the didnt just reprint evolving wilds and terramorphic expanse and say this next block needs no extra help.

My 2c
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MementoMori on July 05, 2013, 06:19:54 PM
An article on DailyMTG today stated that Theros had duals.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on July 05, 2013, 07:10:06 PM
Well there you go :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
What if its like the one that's this if you haven't played a land, but that if you did. Forget what's its called, buts the colors are {U}{B} its in future sight
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
What if its like the one that's this if you haven't played a land, but that if you did. Forget what's its called, buts the colors are {U}{B} its in future sight
{River of Tears}. That's the only one with that effect. Each other combination of colors does something different. {Grove of the Burn-Willows}, {Nimbus Maze}, {Graven Cairns}, etc.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
I think something like {Nimbus Maze} would be sweet. That article* says we're getting some sort of lands in Theros, but they won't allow as much flexibility for tri-colored decks like our current mana base does.

*Citation at the bottom of this article (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/254)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
I may be alone in this. Though I'm saying it anyway, I'm hoping Huewy, dewy and loui is dinosaur world! I just loved the simplicity in design, and really want to make a dinosaur deck! One can only hope!

Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 05, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
Didn't WoTC say theros was geared forwards beginners?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: iTzTowelie404 on July 05, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
I may be alone in this. Though I'm saying it anyway, I'm hoping Huewy, dewy and loui is dinosaur world! I just loved the simplicity in design, and really want to make a dinosaur deck! One can only hope!

I would love an introduction of dinosaurs, but I'm not sure how a whole block could cover it and how it would be received...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Tidds123 on July 06, 2013, 12:53:40 AM
I would love to see some Dino's too.  But isn't WoTC doing a  NEW plane block and RETURN to plane Block pattern now. Or has that just been lately???
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 06, 2013, 04:31:00 AM
What pattern?  New phyrexia was based on mirrodin, WotC said that innastrad was based on onslaught, and return to Ravnica is obviously based on Ravnica.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 06, 2013, 04:31:55 AM
Well, I guess innastrad wasn't the same plane as onslaught, but it was based on it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on July 06, 2013, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
What if its like the one that's this if you haven't played a land, but that if you did. Forget what's its called, buts the colors are {U}{B} its in future sight
{River of Tears}. That's the only one with that effect. Each other combination of colors does something different. {Grove of the Burn-Willows}, {Nimbus Maze}, {Graven Cairns}, etc.

Graven Cairns is in a completely different cycle
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 06, 2013, 10:08:08 AM
What if dinosaur world (we got a glimps of it in future sight, and again in modern masters) is realy domainiria when magic first became available to them? What if if we go to dinosaur world, we are traveling into the past?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 06, 2013, 10:18:39 AM
Or, maybe it could have been created from Dominiria's long past during the time spiral/planar chaos events. So its a copy of Dominiria, but pristine and new
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 06, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: izik99 on July 06, 2013, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
What if its like the one that's this if you haven't played a land, but that if you did. Forget what's its called, buts the colors are {U}{B} its in future sight
{River of Tears}. That's the only one with that effect. Each other combination of colors does something different. {Grove of the Burn-Willows}, {Nimbus Maze}, {Graven Cairns}, etc.

Graven Cairns is in a completely different cycle

It first appeared in Future Sight, guy ;).
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 06, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: izik99 on July 06, 2013, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
What if its like the one that's this if you haven't played a land, but that if you did. Forget what's its called, buts the colors are {U}{B} its in future sight
{River of Tears}. That's the only one with that effect. Each other combination of colors does something different. {Grove of the Burn-Willows}, {Nimbus Maze}, {Graven Cairns}, etc.

Graven Cairns is in a completely different cycle

Started in that cycle. It was reprinted in Lorwyn.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 06, 2013, 10:14:51 PM
Actualy. {nimus maze} seems the most likley possibility. It fits in with Greek mythology, about the labyrinth and the Minotaur. And {labyrinth Minotaur} is blue. So I think Mikefrompluto is right
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
Just as long as its the original cycling, not landcycling
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 08, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
Just as long as its the original cycling, not landcycling
True, i dont like landcycling... Compared to normal anyway....
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
What do you do in it?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 08, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
What do you do in it?
im guessing lots of ETB triggers, and very aggro-y for those times you exile your opponents creatures
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 08, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
What do you do in it?
im guessing lots of ETB triggers, and very aggro-y for those times you exile your opponents creatures

This, basically. Cycle {Tranquil Thicket} and {Secluded Steppe} over and over via {Life from the Loam} and exile either their creatures and attack, or my own {Primeval Titan} or {Terastodon} to destroy their lands (or my own [which I can get back with Loam] to net 3/3 tokens,) then flick their elephant tokens making them go bye-bye.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 08, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
What do you do in it?
im guessing lots of ETB triggers, and very aggro-y for those times you exile your opponents creatures

This, basically. Cycle {Tranquil Thicket} and {Secluded Steppe} over and over via {Life from the Loam} and exile either their creatures and attack, or my own {Primeval Titan} or {Terastodon} to destroy their lands (or my own [which I can get back with Loam] to net 3/3 tokens,) then flick their elephant tokens making them go bye-bye.
Ouch! Thats..... Really mean! I love it!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 08, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
What do you do in it?
im guessing lots of ETB triggers, and very aggro-y for those times you exile your opponents creatures
Yeah i was thinking that too, but i was more wondering what cards were in it because it sounded very combo heavy.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 08, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
I can't possibly be the only one that wants to see cycling back in this block can i?

Absolutely not. I'd love to give my abandoned {Astral Slide} deck more cards to play with.
What do you do in it?
im guessing lots of ETB triggers, and very aggro-y for those times you exile your opponents creatures

This, basically. Cycle {Tranquil Thicket} and {Secluded Steppe} over and over via {Life from the Loam} and exile either their creatures and attack, or my own {Primeval Titan} or {Terastodon} to destroy their lands (or my own [which I can get back with Loam] to net 3/3 tokens,) then flick their elephant tokens making them go bye-bye.
Ouch! Thats..... Really mean! I love it!
Here's a link if interested in checking it out. It does take a minute to go off since its so mana heavy, but {Trostani, Selesnya's Voice} helps brings you back when you start sliding your own creatures.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2013, 05:22:36 PM
I remember astraslide back in odyssey/onslaught... Holy batman, had some good matches against it with my R/G madness...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 08, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
I was sad to see no {searing spear} in M14, hopefully we have some decent burn in theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 08, 2013, 11:38:11 PM
Nope. I think I saw {shock} though.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on July 08, 2013, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 08, 2013, 11:38:11 PM
Nope. I think I saw {shock} though.
Yeah thats pretty decent and it is coming back
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 09, 2013, 06:24:38 PM
Not enough to remove kalonian tusker turn 2
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: TheRagingMage on July 11, 2013, 02:57:39 AM
I hope they bring back fading.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 11, 2013, 07:39:23 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on July 11, 2013, 02:57:39 AM
I hope they bring back fading.
it would be cool if they combined fading with suspend. Whenever something totally faded, it would be suspended, and then come back in when it was done fading. Sort of like phasing, only more flavorful
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 12, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
I got an idea what the dual lands might be like. What if they entered tapped unless you reveal a card of one color or the other from your hand?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 12, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 12, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
I got an idea what the dual lands might be like. What if they entered tapped unless you reveal a card of one color or the other from your hand?
That would be sweet but so OP!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quackmaster5 on July 12, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
I like the tribal lands from Lorwyn block better. And since we are speculating that Theros would be tribal, they make more sense.

Ie  {Murmuring Bosk},  {Secluded Glen}, etc.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 12, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on July 12, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
I like the tribal lands from Lorwyn block better. And since we are speculating that Theros would be tribal, they make more sense.

Ie  {Murmuring Bosk},  {Secluded Glen}, etc.
though, having you reveal a card of one of the two colors is more powerful than tribal lands. Plus, were just rotating from a tribal block
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quackmaster5 on July 12, 2013, 09:37:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 12, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on July 12, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
I like the tribal lands from Lorwyn block better. And since we are speculating that Theros would be tribal, they make more sense.

Ie  {Murmuring Bosk},  {Secluded Glen}, etc.
though, having you reveal a card of one of the two colors is more powerful than tribal lands. Plus, were just rotating from a tribal block

Ya it's OP. which is why they won't do it. And I wouldn't consider innistrad a very "tribal" block. It had tribal aspects but when I think tribal, I think Lorwyn or Scourge. Both those blocks were nothing but tribal. Innistrad went halvies on the tribal, which is why werewolves and vampires weren't that great.

I'm just going off what people are saying. The lands could be tribal based like i said.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on July 13, 2013, 02:18:38 AM
Hopefully they reprint the alpha dual lands lol jk
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 13, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
Legendary lands.  Like in kamigawa :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 15, 2013, 05:46:47 AM
What I want to see are depicitations of Greek and Roman Gods in Theros.

Example:

Ares,God of Combat {4}{R}{R}{R}

Whenever a source would deal damage to a player,it deals twice that damage instead.

Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control,destroy that creature.Ares,God of Combat deals damage equal to that creatures toughness.

4/5
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 15, 2013, 05:54:17 AM
Or:

Posiedon,Master of the Seas. {5}{U}{U}

Hexproof,Islandwalk.

Creatures you control have Islandwalk

All lands are Islands in addition to their other types.

Creatures without Flying or Islandwalk cant attack.

4/3
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 15, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
That TOTALLY isn't like {Stormtide Leviathan}...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 15, 2013, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 15, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
That TOTALLY isn't like {Stormtide Leviathan}...

Functional reprints TOTALLY don't exist...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on July 15, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
You mean Greek Gods and the copy cat Roman ones
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bookmeister on July 15, 2013, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on July 15, 2013, 05:46:47 AM
What I want to see are depicitations of Greek and Roman Gods in Theros.

Example:

Ares,God of Combat {4}{R}{R}{R}

Whenever a source would deal damage to a player,it deals twice that damage instead.

Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control,destroy that creature.Ares,God of Combat deals damage equal to that creatures toughness.

4/5

Well that would suck. With your wording YOU would take double damage as well.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 07:27:43 PM
I know a card that would not only be a perfect reprint for theros, but would be an excellent choice for control and would slow the meta down significantly, causing players to focus more on bigger creatures than an abundance of creatures, and would help the bigger cards in the ravnica block breathe and see some play...

{soul barrier}. I hope they reprint this in the theros block!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Also, I think hades would have something to do with creatures in the graveyard, yet still be {U}{B}. Maybe an effect that exiles creatures from a graveyard?

{U}{U}{B}{B}{1}

Hades, lord of the underworld

Ledgendary creature-??

When CARDNAME deals combat damage to a player, that player loses 1 life for every creature in that players graveyard. That player discards 1 card off the top of there library for every point of damage CARDNAME deals to that player in combat.

4/4
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 08:08:35 PM
Or maybe

{U}{B}{3}

Hades, lord of the underworld

Ledgendary creature-??

When CARDNAME deals combat damage to a player, that player puts the top X cards of there library into there graveyard, were X is the number of creatures in that players graveyard.

4/4
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 15, 2013, 11:42:33 PM
I like the concept but the theros gods will likely be mono color.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 15, 2013, 11:48:22 PM
Yeeeaaahh... Assuming those are the walkers.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 09:09:51 AM
Would {soul barrier} fit in this block do you people think? It would definitly slow down the meta if it was
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 16, 2013, 04:38:10 PM
I think hybrid gods
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 16, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 09:09:51 AM
Would {soul barrier} fit in this block do you people think? It would definitly slow down the meta if it was

That would work good but we would need goodish creatures and effective counterspells
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 07:20:05 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 16, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 16, 2013, 09:09:51 AM
Would {soul barrier} fit in this block do you people think? It would definitly slow down the meta if it was

That would work good but we would need goodish creatures and effective counterspells
we do have lots of quality creatures. Players wouldn't need more. They would have to just play quality creatures rather than a quantity of them.

On the other hand. I can see a card like this that activated when a creature dies in theros, representing the river Styx
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on July 17, 2013, 12:54:28 AM
Just read the flavor text for {Elvish Mystic}. New Nissa in Theros perhaps? Could be sweet!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 17, 2013, 04:50:42 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 17, 2013, 12:54:28 AM
Just read the flavor text for {Elvish Mystic}. New Nissa in Theros perhaps? Could be sweet!

Or even a  {Nissa Revane} reprint would be nice.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Crisys on July 17, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
Pegasus Saddle. {2}

Artifact - equipment

Equipped creature gains flying and trample.

Equip {2}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 17, 2013, 03:03:20 PM
That would have to be a rare or cost more just because of limited formats.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 18, 2013, 02:11:12 AM
We should have a slower meta, i need room to have fun
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 18, 2013, 10:54:17 PM
Who else is hoping for a reprint of {zoologist}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 19, 2013, 06:18:00 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 18, 2013, 10:54:17 PM
Who else is hoping for a reprint of {zoologist}?
Domri's best friend...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 19, 2013, 07:50:19 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 19, 2013, 06:18:00 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 18, 2013, 10:54:17 PM
Who else is hoping for a reprint of {zoologist}?
Domri's best friend...
its actually pretty synergistic with flashback
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on July 19, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
I just can't wait for this set! I've always been fascinated by mazes, I used to draw about one a day on triangular graph paper, they would come out insane! Needless to say, one of my favorite mythical beasts is the Minotaur. Minotaurs and Labyrinths are definitely greek/roman, I want to see them do something Interesting with that. Look through M14 really well, a lot of cards in there were made for Theros block, and a lot of them foretell what we may see. There are a hell of a lot of Minotaurs in M14, most of them undead though, remember our buddy {Boros Reckoner}? Minotaur baby! Even of they don't do anything, especially after printing {Maze's End}, I'd be happy with a few more good Minotaurs.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 19, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Maybe they could make some cards that make {mazes end} more playable. And yes, I'd like to see some maze cards too. Maybe just enough to make a maze deck?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Falcon182 on July 19, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
 {Didgeridoo} returns?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 19, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 19, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
{Didgeridoo} returns?
if a Minotaur deck is playable. I see minotaurs as {U}{R} though. Although {nimbus maze} suggests what colors there putting it in. I can see a USA Minotaur deck pooping up
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 19, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
Have they officially released ANY cards yet?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Melek the fire on July 19, 2013, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 19, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
Have they officially released ANY cards yet?

Sadly, not yet. Some art I believe tho.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Xaol on July 20, 2013, 09:49:30 AM
People have speculated a {Mortify} reprint.

I guess we will learn a lot of new info at Comic Con, 12 PST tonight! Ill be long asleep :/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on July 20, 2013, 03:19:48 PM
Theros will be an enchantment block
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 03:20:51 PM
Quote from: Rasser on July 20, 2013, 03:19:48 PM
Theros will be an enchantment block
evidence that {mortify} is a possibility
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on July 20, 2013, 03:25:33 PM
Follow updates on @wizards_magic on twitter
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on July 20, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on July 20, 2013, 03:25:33 PM
Follow updates on @wizards_magic on twitter
Lots if good stuff being posted
Elspeth is back plus two other PWs with 2 new cards

Theme of heros, monster, and gods with three new mechanics.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on July 20, 2013, 03:37:25 PM
Hero cards look different, don't know if they're tokens or actual cards

New frames!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Think well see the warriors vs cowards guy again?

Edit: for theros, I have a sudden urge to build a deck and call it "of monsters and men." It would be a human deck that also uses the monsters from the monsters deck
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 20, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
I'm so excited for this set now!  This looks so cool!
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Spikepit on July 20, 2013, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:16:34 PM
You forget red's fighting for what they believe in, passion, and stuff.
Red's actual two word description is Passion and Chaos. Spartans ARE passion, however, Spartans are anything but Chaos.
Title: Re: Theros baseless speculation and spoilers
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 20, 2013, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 15, 2013, 11:16:34 PM
You forget red's fighting for what they believe in, passion, and stuff.
Red's actual two word description is Passion and Chaos. Spartans ARE passion, however, Spartans are anything but Chaos.
i thought Spartans played calming music before each battle to calm emotions into piercing determination and focus. Which is a blue thing, isn't it?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 20, 2013, 08:02:18 PM
Theros will be an enchantment block that plays off building blocks in M14.
@3:13pm


Not just "enchantment matters". Game play needs to part of the set. Found a way to take enchantments and bring gods to life.
@3:14pm


Another theme of Theros will be Heroes -- Magic's take on classic mythological tropes. art (http://pic.twitter.com/BMOYApd54W)
@3:15pm


What is the mood and tone of Greek myth? Adventure, achievement, accomplishment. Hero's journey. art (http://pic.twitter.com/lCfcsEFFMY)
@3:16pm


Monsters are another theme. Heroes need something to fight. Awesome monsters. art (http://pic.twitter.com/R9wa99AcqY)
@3:17pm


"If you like Minotaurs this set is for you." art (http://pic.twitter.com/atKJSsAr9u)
@3:18pm


Three new mechanics. One for the Heroes, Monsters, and Gods. Five total mechanics in Theros. Including something people have been asking for
@3:19pm


Three Planeswalkers; one of which is Elspeth with two new ones. art (http://pic.twitter.com/wj6DxgzTof)
@3:19pm


There will be a handful of gold cards but it is NOT a gold set.
@3:19pm


There is a Future shifted card in Theros.
@3:20pm


Theros is a large set, Born of the Gods is small, Journey into Nyx is small. Classic draft format.
@3:20pm
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on July 20, 2013, 08:02:56 PM
Looks like sun Titan and a new legendary hydra spoiled. All that was released for the hydra is 2GG cc and the name Polukranos, World Eater
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 20, 2013, 08:20:29 PM
Quote from: Rasser on July 20, 2013, 03:37:25 PM
Hero cards look different, don't know if they're tokens or actual cards

New frames!

I believe they function like Vanguard cards. As in they go to the command zone and interact with the battlefield from there. A vanguard card may have any number of static, triggered, and/or activated abilities. As long as a vanguard card is in the command zone, its static abilities affect the game, its triggered abilities may trigger, and its activated abilities may be activated.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
Think slivers are in theros? They fit the monsters theme
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 20, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
Think slivers are in theros? They fit the monsters theme

I don't see why not. They claim to be using the enchantments from M14 as a building block. Only reason I can think of for them not including slivers is because they want to go in another direction thematically.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:36:55 PM
I wonder if journey to nyx has a small graveyard theme...sounds like the theros storyline might end badly.....

Nyx rhymes with Styx. Like the river Styx
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 20, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:36:55 PM
I wonder if journey to nyx has a small graveyard theme...sounds like the theros storyline might end badly.....

Nyx rhymes with Styx. Like the river Styx

Believe they're staying away from that, since we'd be leaving a graveyard theme set. But that isn't a bad prediction.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:59:19 PM
For the walkers. We know Elspeth. I'm also guessing Dak, and either the merfolk walker, or a sliver walker
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
My reasoning for Dack as a walker?

http://www.magicspoiler.com/theros-spoiler/

Also, wizards is cutting down in the story department. Which means, Dack as a pic in a theros background probably means he's going to be made as a walker...

I hope they make Fblthp a walker instead of the merfolk or a sliver walker

Edit: Dack is a Theif...the two colors that steal stuff are {R} and {U}. I'm guessing he'll be those colors
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on July 20, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Woo called elsepth :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 20, 2013, 09:42:18 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
My reasoning for Dack as a walker?

http://www.magicspoiler.com/theros-spoiler/

Also, wizards is cutting down in the story department. Which means, Dack as a pic in a theros background probably means he's going to be made as a walker...

I hope they make Fblthp a walker instead of the merfolk or a sliver walker

Edit: Dack is a Theif...the two colors that steal stuff are {R} and {U}. I'm guessing he'll be those colors

Wasn't Dack just on Ravnica? He goes everywhere the sets go, because he's the main dude in the comics. I think Kiora Atua will be on this set for sure, Dack I am not positive about.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 20, 2013, 09:50:04 PM
Ok, I thought this was also a legendary block.  This is what caused them to change the rules for the legends.

By the way.  ELSPETH!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 21, 2013, 01:40:27 AM
I've been reading through every page waiting to say Kiora Atua will make an appearance too. The classic Zeus line "Release the Kraken" has Kiora all over it. Also, for a narrative like Magic that spans across infinite plans, I'm a little sick of endless reprints of past Planeswalkers when there's so much scope for new ones and so many mechanics they can be based on that haven't been used yet, like green's mana ramp hasn't really been PW represented yet from memory.

Just sayin. We do not ANOTHER Jace (for example) when we could actually get a Dak or a Kiora. This being said, I can see Koth in this set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 21, 2013, 01:44:59 AM
Koth and Elspeth are the only block reprints aloud in my opinion.  The rest should be new.  And GOOD!  Not the "balanced" planeswalkers we have now.  We need a {Jace the Mindsculptor} type of planeswalker, with a great set to go along with it.  Unlike worldwake which had Jace, and a few other cards thrown in.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bozo_Law on July 21, 2013, 09:29:45 AM
They actually said there would be two new Elspeths and one other walker.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on July 21, 2013, 10:09:59 AM
Uh no. It say elspeth and two new walkers. So just 1 elspeth.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 21, 2013, 11:02:34 AM
18 revealed card art from Theros (http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/breathtaking-new-art-from-theros#slide=64160782)

I'm betting that's a new Elspeth card art, with the Window XP desktop background.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on July 21, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
Woah seeing that made
Me get excited for THeros!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 11:13:36 AM
I see hydras and miniatures...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 11:13:36 AM
I see hydras and miniatures...
what about a hydra Minotaur? A hydra with Minotaur heads
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 11:55:18 AM
Or a hydra wielding the Minotaur hammer things.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 12:34:14 PM
WoTC has released a {G}{U}{R} walker, but nothing else about him. Anyone else hoping for Wedge decks in Journey Into Nyx?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 12:34:14 PM
WoTC has released a {G}{U}{R} walker, but nothing else about him. Anyone else hoping for Wedge decks in Journey Into Nyx?
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! My favorite wedge! Yes! I am hoping for wedge decks
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 12:39:07 PM
Me too, I need a USA one.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 21, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from:  Mark Rosewater:

The highlights revealed at the panel:

- It is to Greek mythology what Innistrad was to gothic horror
- Top-down design
- First time I lead the design and Erik Lauer led the development since Innistrad
- the block has an enchantment theme somehow connected to the gods
- The set has gods, heroes and monsters. Each has a new mechanic tied to it
- Of the other two mechanics, one is a repeated mechanic brought back that strongly hits the flavor of Greek mythology; the second is a mechanic that we thought had potential but didn't live up to it first time out - it has been mechanically retweaked and given a new name and flavor. The last mechanics is also tied to the gods
- There will be more legendary permanents than normal - not Kamigawa but above average
- The set's tone is one of accomplishment and adventure
- Not a lot of tribal but minotaurs get some love
- Many nods to elements of the stories of Greek myth
- 3 planeswalkers - Elspeth and two new ones
- A few gold cards but mostly monocolored with a little monocolored theme
- A Future Sight card and the set does something we've never done before except on another Future Sight card.

I feel like the returning Mechanic that was tweaked is probably Champion or Bushido.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 01:09:47 PM
FUSE! 😜
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM
What if there are creatures that can be played as auras?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 21, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 01:29:26 PM
What if there are creatures that can be played as auras?

The rules would be pretty confusing. They've made enchantment creatures like {Halcyon Glaze}, {Veiled Sentry}, ect. We could see some of that.

Supposedly the God's are going to have alternate casting costs we've not seen yet, most likely tied to enchantments of a certain type/produce a certain new mana.

Hopefully the new enchantments say "remove all Eldrazi from all decks in the room, they cannot return under any circumstances".
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 01:57:04 PM
I meant they can be cast either as an enchantment, or a creature. They don't swap back and forth

Like scavenge, only you skip the graveyard
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Like double sided and you can cast either side! 😱
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 21, 2013, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Like double sided and you can cast either side! 😱
no. I mean, the equipped creature gets +X/+Y where X is the aura creatures power and Y is its toughness. Also, evergreen mechanics would transfer over
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 21, 2013, 03:39:39 PM
I think mine would be good-Lije, an instant on one side and a creature and you could cast either one.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 21, 2013, 09:28:34 PM
Double-Sided Split Cards!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on July 21, 2013, 11:19:09 PM
I feel like flavor wise the enchanments will be temples of the gods.

Maybe with payments (offerings) each turn.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 22, 2013, 01:39:13 AM
Spoilers at comicon, enchantment based, 0 planeswalkers, god creatures and theros will be big while the other two or small.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on July 22, 2013, 01:54:41 AM
Don't ya mean 3 Planeswalkers? Lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 22, 2013, 02:02:06 AM
Elspesh stopped planeswalking and it was announced at comic con
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on July 22, 2013, 02:12:05 AM
But they said 3 Planeswalkers including elspeth.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 22, 2013, 02:14:32 AM
Source?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on July 22, 2013, 02:23:59 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 22, 2013, 02:02:06 AM
Elspesh stopped planeswalking and it was announced at comic con

No, the story is she doesn't want to be a hero.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 22, 2013, 02:50:04 AM
Ok i suppose it could be either
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 22, 2013, 05:57:16 AM
So are we saying it might be based off the licid cycle?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 22, 2013, 02:46:07 PM
From Wikipedia

" Set details

Theros has a ancient Greek themed top-down design, making use of many mythological tropes. It is the first set to thematically take place on the plane of Theros. It is mostly monocolored with a handful of gold cards. There is a little monocolored theme. Theros will be an enchantment block that plays off building blocks in M14 and Return to Ravnica block. It's not just "enchantment matters". The mood and tone are those of Greek myth: adventure, achievement, accomplishment, a hero's journey. Many existing creature types will be getting reworked to match the Greek flavor. Apart from Minotaurs, it's not a tribal set. Other confirmed creature types are Kraken, Gorgons, Griffins, Hydras, Centaurs, Merfolk, Satyrs and Sphinxes. Elves ar confirmed out. There are three Planeswalkers in the set; one is Elspeth and the other two are new ones. There will be an above average amount of legendary permanents.
Storyline

Theros is very dangerous land outside of the walled cities Meletis, Akris and Setessa (which are inspired by Athens and Sparta). Nyx is the night sky, and home of the gods, it moves around each night. The five main gods are: Heliod (white), Erebos (black), Nylea (green), Thassa (blue) and ... (red). The gods can take multiple forms and walk among mortals. The planeswalker Elspeth Tirel will fight a Hydra and attracts the attention of Heliod. Elspeth doesn't want to be a hero and does not believe she will be called on to be a leader in a world of gods. Minotaurs are the rampaging savages of Theros. The Merfolk of Theros are called 'Tritons'. Thassa (goddesss of the sea) favours appearing as a Triton when she's among mortals.
Themes and mechanics

Themes are: Heroes, Monsters, and Gods

There are five mechanics in Theros. Including something people have been asking for

    Three new mechanics. One each for the Heroes, Monsters, and Gods.
    The enchantment theme is connected to the gods
    Of the other two mechanics, one is a repeated mechanic brought back that strongly hits the flavor of Greek mythology;
    the second returning mechanic is a mechanic that the developers thought had potential but didn't live up to it first time out - it has been mechanically retweaked and given a new name and flavor.

    The Hero mechanic is possibly Hero's Reward, which appears in the challenge deck of the prerelease.

Card types

Theros introduces the supertype Elite and the Creature type Head."
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 22, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
I still say exalted!! If the information is accurate...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 22, 2013, 04:23:59 PM
There is a pretty interesting conversation going on here:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?26436-Theros-thread
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on July 22, 2013, 05:17:24 PM
man i sure hope it's "grandeur" kooooorlash!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: scarsabrex on July 22, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
People do know even if they bring back grandeur they wouldn't be bringing back korlash, baru, or rorix etc right?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 22, 2013, 08:06:27 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 22, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
People do know even if they bring back grandeur they wouldn't be bringing back korlash, baru, or rorix etc right?

I don't know why, and I don't want to at all. I want to sit in my land of hope and wait for Korlash.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 22, 2013, 08:07:01 PM
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ths/index.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 22, 2013, 11:26:04 PM
May I just say...
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/activity/1208

Anyone else notice the tattooes on his arm? Seems theros, if you ask me...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 23, 2013, 06:49:01 AM
What would be nice and iconic and deals with gods...  {Lightning Bolt}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 08:43:53 AM
Chroma is possibly the mechanic. I remember MaRo saying in one of his articles it didnt live up to its potential the first time around
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 09:31:49 AM
There will have to be Cyclopses too!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 01:31:10 PM
I hope Fblthp is in theros. Maybe he became a planeswalker and travled there
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 23, 2013, 01:32:35 PM
^^
YUSH!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 04:04:34 PM
How would fblthp fit the story though? I think he would be blue and/or white. Because he was in service to the azurious

Although probably more blue than white actually, sense white is a social color at its core, and fblthp is an uber introvert
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
Do you think we'll finally see a Legendary Hound type for us thematic/tribal deck fanatics? There has been quite a few more hound types appearing in recent sets, maybe a particular three headed Boss Dog to follow...?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 06:57:03 PM
I always thought {revile squad} would be a good flavor for a hound. People invade on your territory, the hound starts barking, people mobilize quickly
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on July 23, 2013, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
Do you think we'll finally see a Legendary Hound type for us thematic/tribal deck fanatics? There has been quite a few more hound types appearing in recent sets, maybe a particular three headed Boss Dog to follow...?

Cerberus, perhaps? I'd be okay with a card based off of Cerberus ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
He seems {R}{B} though, and most hounds are white
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
He seems {R}{B} though, and most hounds are white
I agree, {B}{R} seems logical. Hopefully they jig it around somehow to fit.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
He seems {R}{B} though, and most hounds are white
I agree, {B}{R} seems logical. Hopefully they jig it around somehow to fit.
than again, it does give one of the wedges some power. You know, if they would make it a tribal lord
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
He seems {R}{B} though, and most hounds are white
I agree, {B}{R} seems logical. Hopefully they jig it around somehow to fit.
than again, it does give one of the wedges some power. You know, if they would make it a tribal lord
Im not sure the Wizards would purposefully make him a dog lord (with the 'other _____ creatures get +1/+1 ability), at least not yet, but they can't stop us deck tweekers from making him so! Ultimately, Id love him to be {W}{B}{R} but I know there's only a handful of golds. It makes more sense in my flavour-mind to make him those colours.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 08:16:12 PM
Not all lords give +1/+1.

There are a lot of other things they can do mechanically, that would fit it being a dog lord, and for Cerberus
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 08:20:25 PM
I must say, Greek Mythology is one of my favorite things ever, my mind is going ballistic with possibility! I'm not sure if anyone else is still on here as well from when Gathering began, but the first thing I thought of with the announcement of Theros was the God of War (Playstation game) fan set I made and posted! Pretty sure they're going to print my Kratos, Ghost of Sparta creature and Kratos, God Killer planeswalker I made. 😜
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
http://images.wikia.com/godofwar/images/0/0b/Kratos%2C_A_God_Slayer.jpg

http://godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Spikepit/God_of_War_comes_to_Magic_the_Gathering!?file=Kratos%252C_Ghost_of_Sparta.jpg

(...before people tell me how this wouldn't work why it's not blah blah blah just to make yourself sound smart or smarter than everyone else, it's just a bit of fun and sticking closer to GoW than magic conventions, just thought we might have a laugh)

I made these with the release of GoW III and the enchantment creature thing that we've been proposing here I thought of back then! YAY me!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 23, 2013, 11:41:18 PM
We have a legendary hound type.  That {W} 2/2 in kamigawa block.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 23, 2013, 11:46:20 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 23, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
http://images.wikia.com/godofwar/images/0/0b/Kratos%2C_A_God_Slayer.jpg

http://godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Spikepit/God_of_War_comes_to_Magic_the_Gathering!?file=Kratos%252C_Ghost_of_Sparta.jpg

(...before people tell me how this wouldn't work why it's not blah blah blah just to make yourself sound smart or smarter than everyone else, it's just a bit of fun and sticking closer to GoW than magic conventions, just thought we might have a laugh)

I made these with the release of GoW III and the enchantment creature thing that we've been proposing here I thought of back then! YAY me!

Not to be off topic, but the ".love. YEAH GOD OF WAR" at the bottom made me laugh 😄

Pretty sweet, though!  👍
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
Not sure if this is already very obvious or not, but  {Awaken the Ancient} seems like a dead giveaway of what's to come in theros, thoughts?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 24, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
Not sure if this is already very obvious or not, but  {Awaken the Ancient} seems like a dead giveaway of what's to come in theros, thoughts?
ah! Very true!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on July 24, 2013, 03:31:23 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 24, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
Not sure if this is already very obvious or not, but  {Awaken the Ancient} seems like a dead giveaway of what's to come in theros, thoughts?
ah! Very true!

I'm slow may you explain for me?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 07:24:16 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 24, 2013, 03:31:23 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 24, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
Not sure if this is already very obvious or not, but  {Awaken the Ancient} seems like a dead giveaway of what's to come in theros, thoughts?
ah! Very true!

I'm slow may you explain for me?
the titans I think
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 24, 2013, 07:26:48 AM
I think they'll make a titans cycle in Theros.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 07:40:25 AM
That makes sense because Sun Titan is in the Duel Decks, just like Jarad was in IvG. Although MaRo has said that it is nice to be rid of the titans because they dominated standard while they were legal.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 07:40:25 AM
That makes sense because Sun Titan is in the Duel Decks, just like Jarad was in IvG. Although MaRo has said that it is nice to be rid of the titans because they dominated standard while they were legal.
which possibly means a new set of titans which are B rank rares rather than A rank rares
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 24, 2013, 07:49:58 AM
That's a shame,was really looking forward for Titans in Theros.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 08:09:29 AM
There is a new article on the hero theme in Theros and the prereleases:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/257c
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 24, 2013, 08:16:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 08:09:29 AM
There is a new article on the hero theme in Theros and the prereleases:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/257c
I love the reference to The Legend of Zelda in that article. Who else can find it?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on July 24, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
Interesting..... 

I wonder if they are going to bring back "level-up"?

Still tring to think what mechanic they are bringing back that r&d felt was good, but didn't catch on..  This could be a hint.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 24, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
Interesting..... 

I wonder if they are going to bring back "level-up"?

Still tring to think what mechanic they are bringing back that r&d felt was good, but didn't catch on..  This could be a hint.
MaRo said Chroma didn't live up to its full potential and that they would bring it back one day
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 01:31:10 PM
I hope Fblthp is in theros. Maybe he became a planeswalker and travled there

Maybe Fblthp is a Dimir mastermind who was working to bring about the gateless movement so that they could stir things up and create divisions among the guilds and planeswalkers. You know who else would benefit from discontent in Ravnica? The Rakdos cult. Holy crap...Fblthp is Nicol Bolas in disguise!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 23, 2013, 01:31:10 PM
I hope Fblthp is in theros. Maybe he became a planeswalker and travled there

Maybe Fblthp is a Dimir mastermind who was working to bring about the gateless movement so that they could stir things up and create divisions among the guilds and planeswalkers. You know who else would benefit from discontent in Ravnica? The Rakdos cult. Holy crap...Fblthp is Nicol Bolas in disguise!!!
i think {liliana of the dark realms} is nicoal bolas disguised as liliana
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 10:46:46 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 24, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
Interesting..... 

I wonder if they are going to bring back "level-up"?

Still tring to think what mechanic they are bringing back that r&d felt was good, but didn't catch on..  This could be a hint.
MaRo said Chroma didn't live up to its full potential and that they would bring it back one day
not only this, if theros has a small mono-colored theme, then Chroma is perfect for that

Edit: I'm calling it now. Chroma is the returning mechanic that didnt live up to its potential
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 07:24:16 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 24, 2013, 03:31:23 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 24, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
Not sure if this is already very obvious or not, but  {Awaken the Ancient} seems like a dead giveaway of what's to come in theros, thoughts?
ah! Very true!

I'm slow may you explain for me?
the titans I think
I was going along the enchantment based creature stuff they had talked about, and art... But sure titans too
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on July 24, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 10:46:46 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 24, 2013, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 24, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
Interesting..... 

I wonder if they are going to bring back "level-up"?

Still tring to think what mechanic they are bringing back that r&d felt was good, but didn't catch on..  This could be a hint.
MaRo said Chroma didn't live up to its full potential and that they would bring it back one day
not only this, if theros has a small mono-colored theme, then Chroma is perfect for that

Edit: I'm calling it now. Chroma is the returning mechanic that didnt live up to its potential


B/W chroma in eventide was the bomb
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 12:00:17 PM
What was chroma? I wasn't aroun.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 24, 2013, 12:01:59 PM
It did things based on how many of the same mana symbols are in a card's casting cost.

{Heartlash Cinder,} {Light from Within,} etc.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on July 24, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 24, 2013, 08:16:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 24, 2013, 08:09:29 AM
There is a new article on the hero theme in Theros and the prereleases:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/257c
I love the reference to The Legend of Zelda in that article. Who else can find it?

I saw it, chuckled, and gave a nod to the author.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on July 24, 2013, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 24, 2013, 12:01:59 PM
It did things based on how many of the same mana symbols are in a card's casting cost.

{Heartlash Cinder,} {Light from Within,} etc.

{Light from within} was my favorite chroma card. Worked brilliant with alk the crratures with mana symbols in the the cost. " {divinity of pride} {deathbringer liege}

Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 03:28:42 AM
Wow! Chroma would be rad! In that case the Mythics Creatures will unleash in standard! {Lazav, Dimir Mastermind}, {Armada Wurm}, {Obzedat, Ghost Council}!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Lich_Hugger on July 25, 2013, 11:29:33 AM
I think a knew black plainswalker would be nice
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 25, 2013, 12:04:47 PM
Maybe

(Name) {B}{B}{2}

Plains walk, protection from white
Whenever (CARDNAME) deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card.


I think it's a good plains walker, with nice abilities. Rare?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on July 25, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
 {Zodiac Rooster} is best plainswalker.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 25, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: Vyse on July 25, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
{Zodiac Rooster} is best plainswalker.
thats Chinese mythology, not Greek mythology
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 25, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 25, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: Vyse on July 25, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
{Zodiac Rooster} is best plainswalker.
thats Chinese mythology, not Greek mythology

He was making a joke.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 25, 2013, 05:31:21 PM
AAAAWWWW......
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 25, 2013, 06:34:09 PM
 Does anyone have any guesses as to what Elspeth will be. I am assuming its not {Elspeth, the Knight Errant} because she was just in Modern Masters so what are we thinking?
Edit: and I know this is discussed very briefly a few pages back but I thought I would bring it back up to see if people had more ideas now that we know more about the set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on July 25, 2013, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 25, 2013, 06:34:09 PM
Does anyone have any guesses as to what Elspeth will be. I am assuming its not {Elspeth, the Knight Errant} because she was just in Modern Masters so what are we thinking?
I'm thinking a totally new one that fits the scheme of the block. Tirel is good but I have a feeling they aren't going that route.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 25, 2013, 06:42:56 PM
I say a new one... Red/white combination
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 25, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
Also was wondering about Kiora Atua. I know some people have said a few things about her and I think she fits into a mythical monsters of the sea theme nicely especially with krakens and *from M14* whales.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on July 25, 2013, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 25, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
Also was wondering about Kiora Atua. I know some people have said a few things about her and I think she fits into a mythical monsters of the sea theme nicely especially with krakens and *from M14* whales.

Maybe she's one of the Tritons of Theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 25, 2013, 07:06:39 PM
Ha!  Didn't even think of that!  Wonder if we'll get some nice merfolk!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on July 25, 2013, 08:44:04 PM
Well the blue god on theros prefers to take the form of one soooo lets assume haha.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
FYI for those who have no idea what we're talking about, these are the only two WotC official images of the {U}{G} planeswalkers:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/vrsdxcvjhgvtgfgbasaasa.jpg)

... and the link below is the to the second pic, it's the promo art for MTG 2013. She's standing in between {Garruk Wildspeaker} and {Koth of the Hammer}:

http://coolvibe.com/2011/videogame-wallpaper-of-the-week-26/

(I would have put the actual image but its gotta be in HD to see everything, which explode the dimensions of this thread!)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 25, 2013, 10:48:55 PM
That artwork is very Japanese influenced to be in a Greek influenced set. I like it though.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 25, 2013, 10:48:55 PM
That artwork is very Japanese influenced to be in a Greek influenced set. I like it though.
i agree, but it was released during SoM if memory serves me correctly, so far enough back that it was in no way meant to allude to anything I guess. However, funny you mention the Asian aesthetic of the artwork. I was involved in a convo when {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} was first seen, combined with the idea that Kiora's teaser image looked Asian, that we would be going back to Kamigawa.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on July 25, 2013, 11:01:25 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 25, 2013, 10:48:55 PM
That artwork is very Japanese influenced to be in a Greek influenced set. I like it though.
i agree, but it was released during SoM if memory serves me correctly, so far enough back that it was in no way meant to allude to anything I guess. However, funny you mention the Asian aesthetic of the artwork. I was involved in a convo when {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} was first seen, combined with the idea that Kiora's teaser image looked Asian, that we would be going back to Kamigawa.

Ah okay, I didnt know it was released then. Yeah they probably didnt know they were going Greek when it was released.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 25, 2013, 10:48:55 PM
That artwork is very Japanese influenced to be in a Greek influenced set. I like it though.
i agree, but it was released during SoM if memory serves me correctly, so far enough back that it was in no way meant to allude to anything I guess. However, funny you mention the Asian aesthetic of the artwork. I was involved in a convo when {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} was first seen, combined with the idea that Kiora's teaser image looked Asian, that we would be going back to Kamigawa.
ACTUALLY!!! Now it's just twigged in my head, with the possibility of there being ample Legendaries in a themed set like Theros (having lots of actually characters and icons to base characters on) a return to Kamigawa could be a possibility of the next set after Theros and M15? Just a thought/possibility (which I'm claiming if it comes a reality, haha!)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 25, 2013, 11:05:38 PM
With Krakens, Leviathans, Merfolk and similar seafaring creatures - it could be a safe bet for Kiora Atua to pop up. Especially coming off a multi color block with Simic in it. The only reason I could possibly imagine for her omission is that it's not multicolored block. But they did say some cards would be gold, if it fit the card.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 25, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
That seems legit, going back to Kamigawa would be awesome, hopefully they would reprint the dragons as mythics.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 25, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
I would adore a return to Kamigawa!!! More rats for EDH! More Kirin (based on one of my fav of mythical creatures, Quilin)! And hopefully more Bushido, if anything will get me playing Aggro again...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 25, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
As long as this one is GOOD and does't have Isamaru, I am okay with it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 26, 2013, 12:14:19 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 25, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
As long as this one is GOOD and does't have Isamaru, I am okay with it.
To be fare to Isamaru, you didn't get a {W} 2/2 without some form of drawback in those days.  This was the first card to do that.  Ignoring the fact that it is legendary but you get the point.  All the other 2/2 one drops had something like sacrifice a creature, or lose 2 life, etc...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 12:27:13 AM
Yeah.. The legendary part just sickens me,
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 26, 2013, 02:13:28 AM
 {Isamaru, Hound of Konda}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 26, 2013, 07:56:44 AM
{Foo Fighters}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 08:14:25 AM
I have made noise on here about wanting a return to kamigawa before. However, I'm also hoping to see dinosaur world. But that's either a new plane, or an old plane in the past. Possibly one thats had a major time rift or something

Anyway, if they go back to kamigawa, I hope they design it right this time
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on July 26, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
I want to see a Sci-Fi plane.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: IntoFire on July 26, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
I want to see a Sci-Fi plane.
i thought scars was sci-fi horror
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 26, 2013, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: IntoFire on July 26, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
I want to see a Sci-Fi plane.
i thought scars was sci-fi horror
totally was.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 26, 2013, 09:41:16 AM
I want to see an unglued plane...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 10:07:16 AM
^^^^^^
YUSH!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on July 26, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
Any thoughts on the "Hero Quest"? I'm actually excited to see more..
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: darkshanx on July 26, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
I wonder if there will be a new Hydra of some sort. That could be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
I think the one from DD: Heroes/Monsters might be from Theros...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 12:49:35 PM
It probably might be like a {phantom flock} only when a counter is removed, you can pay a certain amount of mana (probably 4 or more) to add two counters
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on July 26, 2013, 03:53:50 PM
Anyone else think the "Future Sight" card in Theros will be {Grove of the Burnwillows} - and that will be the new cycle?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on July 26, 2013, 03:53:50 PM
Anyone else think the "Future Sight" card in Theros will be {Grove of the Burnwillows} - and that will be the new cycle?
i hope so. Though {nimbus maze} would also fit in theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 26, 2013, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 26, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
I think the one from DD: Heroes/Monsters might be from Theros...
It is...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 26, 2013, 09:41:16 AM
I want to see an unglued plane...
what about an unglued planeswalker that does incredibly silly things
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 26, 2013, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 26, 2013, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 26, 2013, 09:41:16 AM
I want to see an unglued plane...
what about an unglued planeswalker that does incredibly silly things
+1 make every opponent do the hokey pokey
-2 make every opponent switch decks with each other and play with decks upside-down
-4 target opponent throws a cream pie at another target player (the player cannot be you)
Starting loyalty 2
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 26, 2013, 11:21:58 PM
So I've been google scouring for days now and haven't found this new card type or way of casting or whatever this new thing is that was mentioned around page 4 or so. Anyone know anymore or have a link for me?

Then again I could have completely fabricated that in my misinterpretation or wrong recollection...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 26, 2013, 11:26:19 PM
A lot of people think that because Theros is more enchantment heavy and MaRo said they are bringing back one thing from Future Sight enchantment creatures will be returning. {Lucent Liminid} is the only enchantment creature ever printed and is in Future sight.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 27, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
Aura Swap???
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 27, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Aura swap would work also but they are making gods which would make more sense if they were enchantment creatures than normal creatures. Gods are supposed to be a force instead of a solid being so it would work well with them.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 27, 2013, 04:06:10 PM
I think {Lucent liminid} is a possibility because its basicly Pegasus
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on July 27, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Since it enchantment block, think we'll see return of the enchantments that actually tap for effect?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on July 27, 2013, 08:15:47 PM
The enchantments are for turning your creatures into gods not tapping them.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 27, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
He means stuff like {flow stone embrace} {second wind} and {witches mist}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on July 27, 2013, 10:35:08 PM
I'm confused whats the point of an enchantment creature?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 27, 2013, 10:37:47 PM
It works well with stuff like {Ethereal Armor}, {Sphere of Safety} and {Blightcaster}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on July 27, 2013, 10:45:47 PM
Oh ok thanks
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on July 28, 2013, 08:58:03 AM
They need to reprint {Parasalene}. (last block I wanted {Pyroclasm}, didn't get that. So come on, help us defend ourselves against aggro, Wizards!

Edit: don't forget curly brackets in cards names. They are I place of the E and R on the key board changes.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on July 28, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: izik99 on July 28, 2013, 08:58:03 AM
They need to reprint {Parasalene}. (last block I wanted {Pyroclasm}, didn't get that. So come on, help us defend ourselves against aggro, Wizards!

Edit: don't forget curly brackets in cards names. They are in place of the E and R on the key board changes.

Oh sorry. haven't posted in a while, I completely forgot.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 12:43:23 AM
That's all good!

On a different note, I'd like to go out on a limb and say now that if there's a {Giant Growth}/{Giant Strength}esque card in Theros, it will have the Hercules representation hero appear in the artwork!

Jus' saying. ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 12:55:09 AM
This brings forth another question for speculation of a baseless quality.

What Colour do you think the Heroes, Monsters or Gods will appear in? Using Hercules for example, if sticking to the Mythos, I'd say he'd be in {R} due to his raw power and apparent hulk like qualities and if not straight {R}, then probably {R}{W}. But if sticking to MtG guidelines, Heroes (all of them) would most likely be {W}, due to the Order, Honour and Justice theme present in {W}.

Using 100% MtG alignment (and considering its almost purely a mono block), I would see the following if just as a basis:

Heroes: {W} (honour, peace, order and justice)
Monsters: {G} (untamed wilds, nature and growth)
Gods: {U} (manipulation, knowledge and control)

But I could see flavourful and thematic deviations all over Greek Mythology!!! What do my lovely peers think?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: The1337Magician on July 29, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
According to the Heroes vs Monsters, Heroes are White with a splash of red and monsters are green. There are five main gods, one for each color. The white, sun god; the black, death god, the green, hunt god and so forth.
I think in Theros it'll be RW heroes vs GB monster. I don't see where U will be with those two.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
I think with hero's and monsters it will be the same as innistrad

{W}{G}{R} and {U} were good
While
{B}{G}{R} and {U} were bad

They might change the excluded color though.
And Dudecore (I think) said there will be a god in each color
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 29, 2013, 04:11:16 PM
Why does good and bad have to be represented by certain colors? There are gods of each color, each of the five heros shown so far is inspired by each color, there is no need to deprive certain colors of heros or monsters. Black can have heros that wish to rule and white can have monsters that abuse the principles of order and purity.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 04:30:41 PM
Monsters in white would belive that what they are doing is right, and fight for that

Black hero's would probably do heroic things because they want glory and to make a name for themselves. And to get things they want: money, power, sex, prestige, ect
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on July 29, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
What if we had a new Nicol Bolas ??!!
I'm mean, there's Gods in theros and Gods rule all so i could imagine Nicol Bolas going to theros slay the Gods, steal their power and proove that he is the true master of the Multiverse !!
With that said it could explain why Elspeth is back, maybe the Gods need they're help against Nicol Bolas and who knows she might even call upon Ajani to help her and if that happens i could see Nicol Bolas bring back Ajani's dead brother has a planeswalker. He would have three colors, "Black" because he's a zombie, "Red" because he's more aggressive then Ajani and he appears in the art of some red cards and, either "Blue" because he's controled by Nicol Bolas or "White" because he was good or "Green" because of where he lived (Naya)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on July 29, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 12:55:09 AM
This brings forth another question for speculation of a baseless quality.

What Colour do you think the Heroes, Monsters or Gods will appear in? Using Hercules for example, if sticking to the Mythos, I'd say he'd be in {R} due to his raw power and apparent hulk like qualities and if not straight {R}, then probably {R}{W}. But if sticking to MtG guidelines, Heroes (all of them) would most likely be {W}, due to the Order, Honour and Justice theme present in {W}.


Heracles could also potentially be part {B} as in  part of the myth he is driven mad
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: S717 on July 29, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 12:55:09 AM
This brings forth another question for speculation of a baseless quality.

What Colour do you think the Heroes, Monsters or Gods will appear in? Using Hercules for example, if sticking to the Mythos, I'd say he'd be in {R} due to his raw power and apparent hulk like qualities and if not straight {R}, then probably {R}{W}. But if sticking to MtG guidelines, Heroes (all of them) would most likely be {W}, due to the Order, Honour and Justice theme present in {W}.


Heracles could also potentially be part {B} as in  part of the myth he is driven mad
i always associated insanity with {R}. Because red acts without thinking, and doesn't think about the consequences of its actions until after there done. While black understands the consequences, and acts in spite of them

@mizark: I thought Elspeth was white. If she is black, it could be because she's thinking more of her own needs than the needs of other people

Or maybe she's whites goals with blacks means. As opposed to Ohrzov being blacks goals with whites means
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on July 29, 2013, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: S717 on July 29, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 12:55:09 AM
This brings forth another question for speculation of a baseless quality.

What Colour do you think the Heroes, Monsters or Gods will appear in? Using Hercules for example, if sticking to the Mythos, I'd say he'd be in {R} due to his raw power and apparent hulk like qualities and if not straight {R}, then probably {R}{W}. But if sticking to MtG guidelines, Heroes (all of them) would most likely be {W}, due to the Order, Honour and Justice theme present in {W}.


Heracles could also potentially be part {B} as in  part of the myth he is driven mad
i always associated insanity with {R}. Because red acts without thinking, and doesn't think about the consequences of its actions until after there done. While black understands the consequences, and acts in spite of them

@mizark: I thought Elspeth was white. If she is black, it could be because she's thinking more of her own needs than the needs of other people

Or maybe she's whites goals with blacks means. As opposed to Ohrzov being blacks goals with whites means

{B}{R} might do it then, and I believe you misread there, mizark said elspeth was back, not black
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 29, 2013, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: S717 on July 29, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 12:55:09 AM
This brings forth another question for speculation of a baseless quality.

What Colour do you think the Heroes, Monsters or Gods will appear in? Using Hercules for example, if sticking to the Mythos, I'd say he'd be in {R} due to his raw power and apparent hulk like qualities and if not straight {R}, then probably {R}{W}. But if sticking to MtG guidelines, Heroes (all of them) would most likely be {W}, due to the Order, Honour and Justice theme present in {W}.


Heracles could also potentially be part {B} as in  part of the myth he is driven mad
i always associated insanity with {R}. Because red acts without thinking, and doesn't think about the consequences of its actions until after there done. While black understands the consequences, and acts in spite of them

@mizark: I thought Elspeth was white. If she is black, it could be because she's thinking more of her own needs than the needs of other people

Or maybe she's whites goals with blacks means. As opposed to Ohrzov being blacks goals with whites means

I think a lot of times red knows the consequences, but doesn't care about them and just cares about BRINGING GOVERNMENT DOWN.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 29, 2013, 04:11:16 PM
... each of the five heros shown so far is inspired by each color ...
For those that are struggling to find a reference to this link (like us Aussies with crappy servers) have a look here (http://www.magicspoiler.com/heroes-vs-monters-spoiler/) and the tease of this particular hero infers more standard domination that we only just thank got rid of.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 29, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 29, 2013, 04:11:16 PM
... each of the five heros shown so far is inspired by each color ...
For those that are struggling to find a reference to this link (like us Aussies with crappy servers) have a look here (http://www.magicspoiler.com/heroes-vs-monters-spoiler/) and the tease of this particular hero infers more standard domination that we only just thank got rid of.
Actually this is the referance. (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/257c) Scroll down just alittle bit to see the heros.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 30, 2013, 04:20:02 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 29, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 29, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 29, 2013, 04:11:16 PM
... each of the five heros shown so far is inspired by each color ...
For those that are struggling to find a reference to this link (like us Aussies with crappy servers) have a look here (http://www.magicspoiler.com/heroes-vs-monters-spoiler/) and the tease of this particular hero infers more standard domination that we only just thank got rid of.
Actually this is the referance. (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/257c) Scroll down just alittle bit to see the heros.
niiiiice!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 30, 2013, 09:49:09 AM
Think we'll see cowards and warriors again?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jerimiah_Tice9898 on July 30, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
I think it would be great for three color maybe like American.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on July 30, 2013, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Jerimiah_Tice9898 on July 30, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
I think it would be great for three color maybe like American.
To what are you referring could be great?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 30, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 30, 2013, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Jerimiah_Tice9898 on July 30, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
I think it would be great for three color maybe like American.
To what are you referring could be great?
he's probably hoping for more multi-color. Sorry, but its heading the other direction
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 30, 2013, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 30, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on July 30, 2013, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Jerimiah_Tice9898 on July 30, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
I think it would be great for three color maybe like American.
To what are you referring could be great?
he's probably hoping for more multi-color. Sorry, but its heading the other direction

Yeah, MaRo says that the mana base it too good in standard right now, that's why they released {Burning Earth} and why there are no shock lands in M14
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on July 30, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
Will Theros have dual lands? Like have they confirmed/denied anything for it?

And ya the mana base in Standard is unreal to have Shocks and Checks is rather unfair. Like I think I've seen 1 mono colored deck.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 30, 2013, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 30, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
Will Theros have dual lands? Like have they confirmed/denied anything for it?

And ya the mana base in Standard is unreal to have Shocks and Checks is rather unfair. Like I think I've seen 1 mono colored deck.
Theros will have dual lands, but they will make it hard to use more than two colors
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on July 30, 2013, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 30, 2013, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 30, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
Will Theros have dual lands? Like have they confirmed/denied anything for it?

And ya the mana base in Standard is unreal to have Shocks and Checks is rather unfair. Like I think I've seen 1 mono colored deck.
Theros will have dual lands, but they will make it hard to use more than two colors

I like and agree with that !
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 30, 2013, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 30, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
And ya the mana base in Standard is unreal to have Shocks and Checks is rather unfair. Like I think I've seen 1 mono colored deck.

White Weenie, man. So fun.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: The1337Magician on July 31, 2013, 10:36:13 AM
Well, you did see the rare double color hate in 2014. {Fiendslayer Paladin}, {Lifebane Zombie}, {Witchstalker}, {Mindsparker}, and {Tidebinder Mage} are of each color and hating on BR, GW, UB, WU and RG. These are the allied colors on the color wheel. The hate card is the opposing color. If you combine the color of the hate and the color it hates you get the opposing tri colors. This most likely means they are trying to slow down bi and tri color stuff.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on July 31, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
hey has anyone seen this?

what do you think. real, fake, hope it is real or what? sounds to good to be true to me.

http://www.geekosystem.com/mtg-theros-spoilers/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on July 31, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 31, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
hey has anyone seen this?

what do you think. real, fake, hope it is real or what? sounds to good to be true to me.

http://www.geekosystem.com/mtg-theros-spoilers/

I hope it's real
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 31, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
hey has anyone seen this?

what do you think. real, fake, hope it is real or what? sounds to good to be true to me.

http://www.geekosystem.com/mtg-theros-spoilers/

Well, a new elspeth HAS been confirmed, soo... This does seem accurate.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on July 31, 2013, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 31, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
hey has anyone seen this?

what do you think. real, fake, hope it is real or what? sounds to good to be true to me.

http://www.geekosystem.com/mtg-theros-spoilers/

Well, a new elspeth HAS been confirmed, soo... This does seem accurate.

Yeah I know but this is very very good
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2013, 12:34:33 PM
Quote from: yourmom on July 31, 2013, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: yourmom on July 31, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
hey has anyone seen this?

what do you think. real, fake, hope it is real or what? sounds to good to be true to me.

http://www.geekosystem.com/mtg-theros-spoilers/

Well, a new elspeth HAS been confirmed, soo... This does seem accurate.

Yeah I know but this is very very good
So was JtMS. They still made him.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on July 31, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
Can't argue with this^
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 31, 2013, 01:15:38 PM
DRAW POWER!!!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 31, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
It's like they fixxed {skullclamp}. Although they also remade the elspeth, jace power couple.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 31, 2013, 05:58:58 PM
Holy .poo.!!  That's awesome!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on July 31, 2013, 06:23:21 PM
Yeah my BW Control might have to be a little more expensive than I anticipated
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on July 31, 2013, 06:51:49 PM
That Elspeth looks awesome !!
I find his - ability to be really unique and interesting !!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on July 31, 2013, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: Mizark on July 31, 2013, 06:51:49 PM
That Elspeth looks awesome !!
I find his - ability to be really unique and interesting !!
Elspeth is a guy now?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 31, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 31, 2013, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: Mizark on July 31, 2013, 06:51:49 PM
That Elspeth looks awesome !!
I find his - ability to be really unique and interesting !!
Elspeth is a guy now?

She got a sex change during the Ravnica block, didn't you read the novels?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 31, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Shouldn't the last one say "under your control" at the end?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2013, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 31, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Shouldn't the last one say "under your control" at the end?

Not nessecarily. It could be permanent.

Also, a new Elspeth was confirmed.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on July 31, 2013, 07:28:10 PM
Yeah you are right.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on July 31, 2013, 09:45:33 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 31, 2013, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: Mizark on July 31, 2013, 06:51:49 PM
That Elspeth looks awesome !!
I find his - ability to be really unique and interesting !!
Elspeth is a guy now?

I lol'd.  Quite a bit, actually.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 01, 2013, 07:59:38 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 31, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Shouldn't the last one say "under your control" at the end?
Not necessarily. Ive always known the words 'onto the battlefield' to imply your own zone anyway.

e.g. {Brood Birthing}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 01, 2013, 08:08:18 AM
And yep, once upon I would have cried shenanigans at plastered FAKE all over any {Elspeth Ascended} banter. But the silly cards that are getting released these days, I'm inclined to believe it, if not hope for it.

Why the hell wouldn't you just protect her every turn and turning her into an {Iridescent Angel} machine!

It's stupid and I want it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on August 01, 2013, 08:17:13 AM
Well if they are going to make it hard for 3 colour decks do you guys think this would be accurate

Name:
Land
T: Add WW or BB to your mana pool (activate this ability only if you control a basic plains and swamp)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 01, 2013, 11:05:18 AM
Think we'll see a card based off of Archemedes? What color do you guys think he would be in? I think he would be in red
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 01, 2013, 11:23:28 AM
I was just kidding on the previous post. In all seriousness though, I think he is {U}{U}{G}

Wasn't he an astrologer? Astrology is observing the natural world and gaining insight from it. From astrology, we get calculus, physics, and all sorts of other wonderful sciences. Biology of course comes from observing the natural world. And from science, we gained all sorts of knowlage that put us were we are today. Blues goals, with greens means
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 01, 2013, 04:04:42 PM
Birdbrain, I sincerely wish someone to join the forums one day that shares your passion for everything color wise in magic lol.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 01, 2013, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 01, 2013, 08:08:18 AM
And yep, once upon I would have cried shenanigans at plastered FAKE all over any {Elspeth Ascended} banter. But the silly cards that are getting released these days, I'm inclined to believe it, if not hope for it.

Why the hell wouldn't you just protect her every turn and turning her into an {Iridescent Angel} machine!

It's stupid and I want it.

This I agree completely. .

But it will overshadow the ajani even More tham gideon
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 02, 2013, 11:53:48 AM
Think we'll see cards that seal the abilities of other creatures?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 02, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Vyse on August 01, 2013, 04:04:42 PM
Birdbrain, I sincerely wish someone to join the forums one day that shares your passion for everything color wise in magic lol.

This!  I don't mean it in a malicious way at all, either!  I wish I had more creativity in that respect.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 02, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
.... I'm such a dork.. last night I had a dream they had started spoiling cards for theros.. and the three they released so far were generic vanilla monsters for green blue and white....


Im far to obsessed with spoilers...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 02, 2013, 12:06:49 PM
Lol they ought to do that. Spoil the worthless cards only and make it seen like a really bad set, then have awesome cards released
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 02, 2013, 12:08:49 PM
Dinosaur world could make generic vanilla creatures awesome
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 02, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 02, 2013, 12:08:49 PM
Dinosaur world could make generic vanilla creatures awesome

{Imperiosaur}!!

I'd love a dinosaur themed set...  That'd be so cool
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 02, 2013, 12:11:54 PM
IT WAS A {NIGHTMARE} !!


Okay I believe that joke disqualifys me from posting in the future...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 02, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
{marganda petroglyphs}

See. A dinosaur world card that makes creatures with no abilities awesome

Proof its dinosaur world? Look at {imperasuars} flavor text
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 02, 2013, 03:08:27 PM
Vanilla matters set huh? MaRo has answered questions about that before. Although Theros doesn't seem the block (because its based on mythological heroes, monsters and gods - no one wants vanilla heroes).

Maybe in the future they will have a vanilla matters block, or set. It could be Born of Gods/Journey to Nyx. Thematically the gods could be giving regular people (vanilla) super powers through enchantments. It would REALLY screw up tokens, those decks would become pretty unbearable.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 02, 2013, 03:10:13 PM
Wow...selesnya should run the petroglyph. Lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 04, 2013, 04:08:48 PM
We may see cards with three classifications. If they make the Gods enchantment creatures, then they will be:
Ledgendary enchantment creatures
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 04, 2013, 05:46:46 PM
After some thinking here are some thoughts I have had on speculation. The new clone rule discourages cheap unflavorable kills on legendaries and emcourages using each printing of a planeswalker to it's fullest.

On the planeswalkers this allows the same walkers to be printed and revamped at both higher and low CMC reguardless of what else sees a lot of play. No more {jace beleren} legend blading {jace, the mind sculpter} situations. Meaning new Elspeth could very well be a 3cmc just as much as a 6cmc. New garruk is a good example of this new playability dispite smaller garruks seeing lots of play.

As for legends and specifically gods...think eldrazi. It takes a lot of investement to make an eldrazi happen and once you get their 4cmc {clone} should not be an end all to all your hard work. With this concept in mind I am anticipating the gods being a similar or even greater workload to play with a high rate of return in their sheer power now that cloning is not the ultimate FU.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2013, 05:58:52 PM
Something similar to Anhiallator!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 04, 2013, 06:17:02 PM
I actually hope the gods are drastically different from the eldrazi. Otherwise, they'll just seem like eldrazi, and be boring
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
The Eldrazi are not boring. I mean, very new and different, but something like the Eldrazi. Like, "when this bvfhb enters the battlefield" and studf
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 04, 2013, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
The Eldrazi are not boring. I mean, very new and different, but something like the Eldrazi. Like, "when this bvfhb enters the battlefield" and studf
that may be true. I wasn't playing around zenkidar, so I don't know. Though I still would like to see something unique with the gods, that the eldrazi don't do
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 04, 2013, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2013, 05:58:52 PM
Something similar to Anhiallator!
Due to meta anger at the time of release, I don't think we'll be seeing Annihilator or things similar until the next time Eldrazi come back if at all.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 04, 2013, 06:50:03 PM
....did you just call the Eldrazi boring?  I love the Eldrazi. Very much.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 04, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on August 04, 2013, 06:50:03 PM
....did you just call the Eldrazi boring?  I love the Eldrazi. Very much.
yea. And when they hit the battlefield, it's a garunteed win. BORING
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 04, 2013, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 04, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on August 04, 2013, 06:50:03 PM
....did you just call the Eldrazi boring?  I love the Eldrazi. Very much.
yea. And when they hit the battlefield, it's a garunteed win. BORING
{Wrath of God}, {Merciless Eviction}, {Blind Obedience}, {Nevermore}...there are more than a few ways to deal with Eldrazi.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 04, 2013, 08:36:10 PM
I've dropped {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} and still lost before.  And in all reality, {Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre} and {Kozilek, Butcher of Truth} get taken out pretty easily :-\
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 04, 2013, 11:09:16 PM
{Act of Treason} style decks (as I had around their standard day) make Eldrazi player second guess their strategy hands down.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 04, 2013, 11:15:31 PM
Hey, what if we get Legendary Enchantments, Sorceries and Instants in Theros ??
I'm not sure how the legendary sorcery and instant cards would work, maybe you can only have one in a deck or something, i'm not sure or maybe they would work with a new mechanic...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Falcon182 on August 05, 2013, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 04, 2013, 05:46:46 PM
After some thinking here are some thoughts I have had on speculation. The new clone rule discourages cheap unflavorable kills on legendaries and emcourages using each printing of a planeswalker to it's fullest.

On the planeswalkers this allows the same walkers to be printed and revamped at both higher and low CMC reguardless of what else sees a lot of play. No more {jace beleren} legend blading {jace, the mind sculpter} situations. Meaning new Elspeth could very well be a 3cmc just as much as a 6cmc. New garruk is a good example of this new playability dispite smaller garruks seeing lots of play.

As for legends and specifically gods...think eldrazi. It takes a lot of investement to make an eldrazi happen and once you get their 4cmc {clone} should not be an end all to all your hard work. With this concept in mind I am anticipating the gods being a similar or even greater workload to play with a high rate of return in their sheer power now that cloning is not the ultimate FU.

A lot of work... You mean like  {Lotus Petal},  {Ancient Tomb},  {Show and Tell} ---> {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} ----> win?

There's no reason I shouldn't be able to pay cmc 4 or cmc 2 even to remove this, if I happen to have that playable in my hand. Decks don't run clones main board generally and considering how non-interactive some cards are, not being able to legend them out makes them even more broken. I've said time and again: cards as powerful as  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} should never be printed.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 05, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 04, 2013, 11:15:31 PM
Hey, what if we get Legendary Enchantments, Sorceries and Instants in Theros ??
I'm not sure how the legendary sorcery and instant cards would work, maybe you can only have one in a deck or something, i'm not sure or maybe they would work with a new mechanic...

How about something like the old Enchant World cards??
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 05, 2013, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 05, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 04, 2013, 11:15:31 PM
Hey, what if we get Legendary Enchantments, Sorceries and Instants in Theros ??
I'm not sure how the legendary sorcery and instant cards would work, maybe you can only have one in a deck or something, i'm not sure or maybe they would work with a new mechanic...

How about something like the old Enchant World cards??

That could be a possibility
I mean this is the first time we have "Gods" in Magic so i can imagine some enchantments, sorcery or instant cards that would be linked to those gods
Something like the "Miracles" in Avacyn Restored
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on August 05, 2013, 08:05:57 PM
"divine intervention" mechanic...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 05, 2013, 08:17:11 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on August 05, 2013, 08:05:57 PM
"divine intervention" mechanic...

Yeah, i like that !!
It could be like "every time someone casts a legendary spell, destroy all non-land non-legenday non-God permanents they can't be regenerated"
It would be like a {Wrath of God} implemented in the card, which is quite powerful
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on August 05, 2013, 08:21:52 PM
Depending on what minotaurs are produced...homelands may go up in value for legacy/vintage
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 05, 2013, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on August 05, 2013, 08:21:52 PM
Depending on what minotaurs are produced...homelands may go up in value for legacy/vintage

Lol that's wotc's scheme the whole time!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on August 05, 2013, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 04, 2013, 05:46:46 PM
After some thinking here are some thoughts I have had on speculation. The new clone rule discourages cheap unflavorable kills on legendaries and emcourages using each printing of a planeswalker to it's fullest.

On the planeswalkers this allows the same walkers to be printed and revamped at both higher and low CMC reguardless of what else sees a lot of play. No more {jace beleren} legend blading {jace, the mind sculpter} situations. Meaning new Elspeth could very well be a 3cmc just as much as a 6cmc. New garruk is a good example of this new playability dispite smaller garruks seeing lots of play.

As for legends and specifically gods...think eldrazi. It takes a lot of investement to make an eldrazi happen and once you get their 4cmc {clone} should not be an end all to all your hard work. With this concept in mind I am anticipating the gods being a similar or even greater workload to play with a high rate of return in their sheer power now that cloning is not the ultimate FU.

A lot of work... You mean like  {Lotus Petal},  {Ancient Tomb},  {Show and Tell} ---> {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} ----> win?

There's no reason I shouldn't be able to pay cmc 4 or cmc 2 even to remove this, if I happen to have that playable in my hand. Decks don't run clones main board generally and considering how non-interactive some cards are, not being able to legend them out makes them even more broken. I've said time and again: cards as powerful as  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} should never be printed.

I agree 100%. What's the point of even playing the game when a card like that hits the field? At that moment, it's no longer fun. And then I flip the table.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MuggyWuggy on August 05, 2013, 09:12:22 PM
Table flip usually cannot be Countered

Great anti Spagetti lord move
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on August 05, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned but aura swap could be useful

{Arcanum Wings}

Or enchantments that you can tap

{Second Wind}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on August 05, 2013, 09:22:24 PM
I'm just going to leave this here at the mention of "table flip:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYuF3T7s7XY

"Bounsh my shuman?!"
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 09:28:09 PM
LOL, but seriously.....that's what goes through my head when I'm losing. Guess that's why my main colors are Red & Black ^_^;;
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: EvACiDe on August 05, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 09:28:09 PM
LOL, but seriously.....that's what goes through my head when I'm losing. Guess that's why my main colors are Red & Black ^_^;;
*gasp* no blue?? Lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 05, 2013, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on August 05, 2013, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 04, 2013, 05:46:46 PM
After some thinking here are some thoughts I have had on speculation. The new clone rule discourages cheap unflavorable kills on legendaries and emcourages using each printing of a planeswalker to it's fullest.

On the planeswalkers this allows the same walkers to be printed and revamped at both higher and low CMC reguardless of what else sees a lot of play. No more {jace beleren} legend blading {jace, the mind sculpter} situations. Meaning new Elspeth could very well be a 3cmc just as much as a 6cmc. New garruk is a good example of this new playability dispite smaller garruks seeing lots of play.

As for legends and specifically gods...think eldrazi. It takes a lot of investement to make an eldrazi happen and once you get their 4cmc {clone} should not be an end all to all your hard work. With this concept in mind I am anticipating the gods being a similar or even greater workload to play with a high rate of return in their sheer power now that cloning is not the ultimate FU.

A lot of work... You mean like  {Lotus Petal},  {Ancient Tomb},  {Show and Tell} ---> {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} ----> win?

There's no reason I shouldn't be able to pay cmc 4 or cmc 2 even to remove this, if I happen to have that playable in my hand. Decks don't run clones main board generally and considering how non-interactive some cards are, not being able to legend them out makes them even more broken. I've said time and again: cards as powerful as  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} should never be printed.

I agree 100%. What's the point of even playing the game when a card like that hits the field? At that moment, it's no longer fun. And then I flip the table.

Unless your next turn you cast  {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}, use his -2 and take control of  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 09:37:30 PM
@ evacide: WELL YES!! But Black first, over all :) I like rot & decay.

@ rarehuntertay: YES!!! NICOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 05, 2013, 09:55:24 PM
I dont think we can expect them to have 10+ stats. I personally would love them to function as creatures but have echantment like qualities. {Hellrider} and {Varolz, the Scar-Striped} are good examples of what I am talking about. However in keeping with the lore of olympus style gods, their powers could be both limited and exagerated based upon what shrines (enchantments) are erected in their name.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 09:59:57 PM
I'm hoping they bring out some fabulous Gorgons. I've always wanted to make a Gorgon deck, as well as a Minotaur deck, but there just aren't enough decent cards to play.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 05, 2013, 10:14:27 PM
I know it won't happen but...Zeus, supreme god who uses lightning...{Lightning Helix}...please?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 05, 2013, 11:05:48 PM
"The gods can take multiple forms and walk among mortals."

I just took that from Thero's storyline
Does that mean that you will be able to transform your Gods ?? I mean, just imagine this:
*Opponent plays a card that destroys all creatures with flying*
*Your god has flying, you pay {1}{B}, transform him into a 2/2 human with Shadow*
*Your God doesn't get destroyed, next turn pay {2}{B}{B} re-transform him to the 9/9 Flying Deadtouch God creature*

Or this:

*You play a card that deals damage to target creature and/or player, equal to twice the number of Minotaurs you control*
*Just before you cast it, pay {1}{R}{R} transform your God to a 3/3 First Strike Minotaur*
*Deal 2 extra damage*
*Next turn pay {2}{R}{R} re-transform him to a 11/7 Flying Haste God creature

Something like that
Each god could have 3 different transformations
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 05, 2013, 11:09:39 PM
Maybe like {Figute of Drstiny}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 05, 2013, 11:19:30 PM
Yeah kinda like that
Except of getting better it would simply give you different options on what you can be
maybe like this
First transformation option: different creature type
Second transformation option: different card type
Third transformation option: different color or become colorless
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 05, 2013, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 05, 2013, 11:05:48 PM
"The gods can take multiple forms and walk among mortals."

I just took that from Thero's storyline
Does that mean that you will be able to transform your Gods ?? I mean, just imagine this:
*Opponent plays a card that destroys all creatures with flying*
*Your god has flying, you pay {1}{B}, transform him into a 2/2 human with Shadow*
*Your God doesn't get destroyed, next turn pay {2}{B}{B} re-transform him to the 9/9 Flying Deadtouch God creature*

Or this:

*You play a card that deals damage to target creature and/or player, equal to twice the number of Minotaurs you control*
*Just before you cast it, pay {1}{R}{R} transform your God to a 3/3 First Strike Minotaur*
*Deal 2 extra damage*
*Next turn pay {2}{R}{R} re-transform him to a 11/7 Flying Haste God creature

Something like that
Each god could have 3 different transformations

This could hold relevance, I remember seeing somewhere that the blue god likes to take the form of a merfolk
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 05, 2013, 11:41:28 PM
What about a new morphing version of morphing where it can start face down then become a god but at any time you can flip it back face down and it gains Hexproof since it blends in with the humans
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 06, 2013, 12:31:27 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on August 05, 2013, 08:05:57 PM
"divine intervention" mechanic...
i totally agree with this idea. However they better call it by its contemporary name Deus Ex Machina (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina), or we Greek Theatre and History fanatics feel sorely let down, having missed an awesome literary Easter Egg...

Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 05, 2013, 09:55:24 PM
... in keeping with the lore of olympus style gods, their powers could be both limited and exagerated based upon what shrines (enchantments) are erected in their name.
BRAVO!!! This is a great idea! I see so many mechanics that would suit this as a base concept...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 08:07:34 AM
Quote from: LadyGrixis on August 05, 2013, 09:59:57 PM
I'm hoping they bring out some fabulous Gorgons. I've always wanted to make a Gorgon deck, as well as a Minotaur deck, but there just aren't enough decent cards to play.
i saw in a spoiler that said "if you like minotaurs, this is the set for you. I'll find it later and put it on here
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: LadyGrixis on August 06, 2013, 08:49:47 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 05, 2013, 11:41:28 PM
What about a new morphing version of morphing where it can start face down then become a god but at any time you can flip it back face down and it gains Hexproof since it blends in with the humans

Oooooo, LOVE this idea!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 05, 2013, 11:41:28 PM
What about a new morphing version of morphing where it can start face down then become a god but at any time you can flip it back face down and it gains Hexproof since it blends in with the humans

It won't happen. MaRo has said that he has tried doing more with morph but the rules say any face down card is a normal 2/2, no exceptions. Unless they change the rule, which they could, it won't happen. Although flip cards could work this way. On the daylight side it's a bird or something and on the night side its a god. Actually there are good chances we will see flip cards again, it was just discussed in a Daily MTG article (20 Things that Almost Killed Magic) where they said despite initial outrage, it ended up the most popular mechanic of the Innistrad block.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 05, 2013, 11:41:28 PM
What about a new morphing version of morphing where it can start face down then become a god but at any time you can flip it back face down and it gains Hexproof since it blends in with the humans

It won't happen. MaRo has said that he has tried doing more with morph but the rules say any face down card is a normal 2/2, no exceptions. Unless they change the rule, which they could, it won't happen. Although flip cards could work this way. On the daylight side it's a bird or something and on the night side its a god. Actually there are good chances we will see flip cards again, it was just discussed in a Daily MTG article (20 Things that Almost Killed Magic) where they said despite initial outrage, it ended up the most popular mechanic of the Innistrad block.
what about two sided flip cards? Though I'm not sure how flip cards did back in kamigawa. Though kamigawa would be the perfect place for them to use that mechanic again. I'd like them to blend those two mechanics together just because it would be outrageously weird
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 01:48:52 PM
http://mtg-realm.blogspot.com/2013/07/theros-spoiler.html?m=1

Apparently, there doing the prerelease similar to return to ravnica block. Only you pick one color to play. They give you a pack of that color and a bunch of other packs
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 01:48:52 PM
http://mtg-realm.blogspot.com/2013/07/theros-spoiler.html?m=1

Apparently, there doing the prerelease similar to return to ravnica block. Only you pick one color to play. They give you a pack of that color and a bunch of other packs

That sounds awesome!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 05:56:17 PM
When will legit spoilers be up? Like mythicspoiler
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 06, 2013, 05:56:24 PM
How bout a land mechanic similar to the tainted cycle in torment? I.e, tap to add colorless, or if you control a plains, tap to add either W or U?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
I think they should do something like {Nimbus Maze}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 06, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
It should be a basic plains though bc with shocks you just have another check
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
I think they should do something like {Nimbus Maze}.
Nimbus maze fits thematically with theros. There was a legend about a maze...of course it was guarded by a Minotaur. But still, there was one none the less, and so that card fits Theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 06, 2013, 07:42:14 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
I think they should do something like {Nimbus Maze}.
Nimbus maze fits thematically with theros. There was a legend about a maze...of course it was guarded by a Minotaur. But still, there was one none the less, and so that card fits Theros

What about  {Maze of Ith}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
I think they should do something like {Nimbus Maze}.
Nimbus maze fits thematically with theros. There was a legend about a maze...of course it was guarded by a Minotaur. But still, there was one none the less, and so that card fits Theros

Yes because it's not like there's something like the metagame or something like that that would be really screwed up.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
I think they should do something like {Nimbus Maze}.
Nimbus maze fits thematically with theros. There was a legend about a maze...of course it was guarded by a Minotaur. But still, there was one none the less, and so that card fits Theros

Yes because it's not like there's something like the metagame or something like that that would be really screwed up.
there taking steps to fix it. You can see it in M14. You can see it in the fact that Theros has a small mono-colored theme. You can see it in the dual lands that they're talking about that will discourage people from playing more than two colors
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.
well, it's not fair that they do the shards, but not the wedges. If they don't like people playing three colors, then Alara shouldn't have been done. Don't get me wrong, I like the block, and it has a rich story. I'm just saying, they should find a way to slow things down and discourage people from playing three colors, then roller coaster back up to if. Then take the dive away from it again towards another block with a mono-colored theme
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2013, 11:13:15 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.
well, it's not fair that they do the shards, but not the wedges. If they don't like people playing three colors, then Alara shouldn't have been done. Don't get me wrong, I like the block, and it has a rich story. I'm just saying, they should find a way to slow things down and discourage people from playing three colors, then roller coaster back up to if. Then take the dive away from it again towards another block with a mono-colored theme

Shards were all ally colors where right now people can play anything. Also, 3, 4 and 5 color decks are running rampant because the mana base is just too good. They aren't going to just declare "you may no long play multicolored decks" but they will try to push us back towards 1 and 2 color decks. They have already started to discourage dual lands with {Encroaching Wastes} and {Burning Earth} and they have been trying to put out good cards that are less easily splashable with the enemy-color hate cycle {Fiendslayer}, {Witchstalker}... They have also lessened what mana ramp cards we have been encouraging mono colored decks with stuff like {Kalonia Tusker}, the new {Garruk, Caller of Beasts} and {Liliana of the Dark Realms}. Though in the end it won't be a huge push or else they wouldn't have included the slivers which are almost always played at 3 color (usually Naya). Finally, don't expect as many 3 and 4 color decks but don't expect them to do anything too crazy.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 06, 2013, 11:37:39 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.

Then why print  {Maze's End}? That's just asking to be put in a 5 colour deck as a win con, plus all the rare fuse cards have a total of 3 colours
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
Quote from: S717 on August 06, 2013, 11:37:39 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.

Then why print  {Maze's End}? That's just asking to be put in a 5 colour deck as a win con, plus all the rare fuse cards have a total of 3 colours

For the same reason they printed battle of wits.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 07, 2013, 12:13:09 AM
Im not saying not to run 3 colors I think it's cool, i just don't like the metagame right now.

Oh i win cause i payed for thagtusk and voice plus my colors are way  better!!!

Eack color should be evenly powered with eachother. Not oh well ifi want to win i need to run 3 colors and it has to be jund bant junk or naya which all cost about 300 dollars. Magic games should be more of a struggle to win, turn 3 win is never fun for anyone. control vs. agro is fun exept agro is so much better than control right now. Midrange vs. midrang is fun, agro vs agro is fun, that crazy guy with the {battle of wits} deck vs anything is fun. {unburial rites} on {thragtusk} is never fun, niether is turn 3 swing for 22 unblockable hexproof.

Im just saying iwant something fun not good, i'm happy about the rotationand i am confident with theros, but no dual lands until m15 or the next block would be good, maybe something that doesn't work with shock lands like lands that only work if you have a basic land that is cheaper for casual players who don't want to spend money on shocks. A slow meta is good not bad.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 02:35:58 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 07, 2013, 12:13:09 AM
Im not saying not to run 3 colors I think it's cool, i just don't like the metagame right now.

Oh i win cause i payed for thagtusk and voice plus my colors are way  better!!!

Eack color should be evenly powered with eachother. Not oh well ifi want to win i need to run 3 colors and it has to be jund bant junk or naya which all cost about 300 dollars. Magic games should be more of a struggle to win, turn 3 win is never fun for anyone. control vs. agro is fun exept agro is so much better than control right now. Midrange vs. midrang is fun, agro vs agro is fun, that crazy guy with the {battle of wits} deck vs anything is fun. {unburial rites} on {thragtusk} is never fun, niether is turn 3 swing for 22 unblockable hexproof.

Im just saying iwant something fun not good, i'm happy about the rotationand i am confident with theros, but no dual lands until m15 or the next block would be good, maybe something that doesn't work with shock lands like lands that only work if you have a basic land that is cheaper for casual players who don't want to spend money on shocks. A slow meta is good not bad.
That was a quality rant! And I totally agree.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 07, 2013, 07:12:53 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.
well, it's not fair that they do the shards, but not the wedges. If they don't like people playing three colors, then Alara shouldn't have been done. Don't get me wrong, I like the block, and it has a rich story. I'm just saying, they should find a way to slow things down and discourage people from playing three colors, then roller coaster back up to if. Then take the dive away from it again towards another block with a mono-colored theme

Ever play during Invasion block?  That's when they first experimented with the wedges, though not to to extent of the shards...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 07:28:58 AM
Funny that you say that because I was going through my old cards the other day and realized there are quite a few gold cards in Invasion.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 07, 2013, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 07:28:58 AM
Funny that you say that because I was going through my old cards the other day and realized there are quite a few gold cards in Invasion.

Yeah. Invasion was the first set to truly explore multicolored mechanics. In fact, the legendary dragons in that block I believe were all wedge colors...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 07, 2013, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 07, 2013, 07:12:53 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.
well, it's not fair that they do the shards, but not the wedges. If they don't like people playing three colors, then Alara shouldn't have been done. Don't get me wrong, I like the block, and it has a rich story. I'm just saying, they should find a way to slow things down and discourage people from playing three colors, then roller coaster back up to if. Then take the dive away from it again towards another block with a mono-colored theme

Ever play during Invasion block?  That's when they first experimented with the wedges, though not to to extent of the shards...

I understand what you are saying but we are in a dual colored set not in shards or invasion, theros still has some gold cards for a smooth transition like {giest of saint traft} and stuff, 3 color decks are fun and good but i think that once the whole set comes out mono color will be so much better that people will use it more, 3 color will work still but it wont be as good. Which is good because that will slow down the metagame. They are trying to transition us away not giving us a 3 color block, if we were going into a 3 color block i would say they definitly would reprint some form of dual lands but we aren't so therefore it would be better to have no duals till M15 or later.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bookmeister on August 07, 2013, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 07, 2013, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 07, 2013, 07:12:53 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 06, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on August 06, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
They WANT people to play mono or dual color. 3 color isn't natural.
well, it's not fair that they do the shards, but not the wedges. If they don't like people playing three colors, then Alara shouldn't have been done. Don't get me wrong, I like the block, and it has a rich story. I'm just saying, they should find a way to slow things down and discourage people from playing three colors, then roller coaster back up to if. Then take the dive away from it again towards another block with a mono-colored theme

Ever play during Invasion block?  That's when they first experimented with the wedges, though not to to extent of the shards...

I understand what you are saying but we are in a dual colored set not in shards or invasion, theros still has some gold cards for a smooth transition like {giest of saint traft} and stuff, 3 color decks are fun and good but i think that once the whole set comes out mono color will be so much better that people will use it more, 3 color will work still but it wont be as good. Which is good because that will slow down the metagame. They are trying to transition us away not giving us a 3 color block, if we were going into a 3 color block i would say they definitly would reprint some form of dual lands but we aren't so therefore it would be better to have no duals till M15 or later.

It may be better but we are getting dual lands in Theros we just don't know which ones yet.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 04:31:22 PM
Looks good.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Yeab, seems plausible. However, I'm certain some cyclops, sirens and others will pop up too.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 05:30:34 PM
I'm hoping for some flyers to work with the {Warden of Evos Isle}. I would love to make a deck around it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Yeab, seems plausible. However, I'm certain some cyclops, sirens and others will pop up too.

Don't forget Harpies !!
And now that i think about it, in Greek mythology there's Titans like Naya and Chronos !!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 07, 2013, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 05:30:34 PM
I'm hoping for some flyers to work with the {Warden of Evos Isle}. I would love to make a deck around it.
one of the Gods is a huntress with a bow. I think she indicates there will be more fliers in Theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: EvACiDe on August 07, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
Didn't they announce there would be heroes, gods, and monsters I think it was? Sounds like Greek mythology to me lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Yeab, seems plausible. However, I'm certain some cyclops, sirens and others will pop up too.

Don't forget Harpies !!
And now that i think about it, in Greek mythology there's Titans like Naya and Chronos !!
Ive already see a spoiler for a newsun Titan, so they may be the only titans we get! But Atlas would be a cool card to make (but he can't be played Michael Clarke Duncan anymore 😔)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Yeab, seems plausible. However, I'm certain some cyclops, sirens and others will pop up too.

Don't forget Harpies !!
And now that i think about it, in Greek mythology there's Titans like Naya and Chronos !!
Ive already see a spoiler for a newsun Titan, so they may be the only titans we get! But Atlas would be a cool card to make (but he can't be played Michael Clarke Duncan anymore 😔)

The {Sun Titan} is for the duel decks, it probably won't be printed in Theros.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Yeab, seems plausible. However, I'm certain some cyclops, sirens and others will pop up too.

Don't forget Harpies !!
And now that i think about it, in Greek mythology there's Titans like Naya and Chronos !!
Ive already see a spoiler for a newsun Titan, so they may be the only titans we get! But Atlas would be a cool card to make (but he can't be played Michael Clarke Duncan anymore 😔)

The {Sun Titan} is for the duel decks, it probably won't be printed in Theros.
Yeah, you're right! They probably wouldn't reprint crazy over powered cards anymore, like JTMS for example ... oh wait.

😜😜😜
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on August 08, 2013, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2013, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 07, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 07, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
So does anyone think that each color will have a signature creature ??
Maybe: 

{R} will have Minotaurs
{B} will have Gorgons
{U} will have Merfolks
{W} will have Humans
{G} will have Centaurs

What do u think ??
Yeab, seems plausible. However, I'm certain some cyclops, sirens and others will pop up too.

Don't forget Harpies !!
And now that i think about it, in Greek mythology there's Titans like Naya and Chronos !!
Ive already see a spoiler for a newsun Titan, so they may be the only titans we get! But Atlas would be a cool card to make (but he can't be played Michael Clarke Duncan anymore 😔)

The {Sun Titan} is for the duel decks, it probably won't be printed in Theros.
Yeah, you're right! They probably wouldn't reprint crazy over powered cards anymore, like JTMS for example ... oh wait.

😜😜😜

I see what you did there...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 08:22:36 AM
JTMS isn't printed in standard but, yeah. They messed up, shouldn't have reprinted him.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:49:37 AM
think we'll see a reprint of {soul catchers arie}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 08, 2013, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:49:37 AM
think we'll see a reprint of {soul catchers arie}?

I don't know
I see more Harpies and Griffins rather then Birds

Does anyone think we might have the creature type- Gladiator ??
Like Human Gladiator, Minotaur Gladiator, Merfolk Gladiator, etc,...
Maybe we could see a Gladiator deck ?!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 08, 2013, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:49:37 AM
think we'll see a reprint of {soul catchers arie}?

I don't know
I see more Harpies and Griffins rather then Birds

Does anyone think we might have the creature type- Gladiator ??
Like Human Gladiator, Minotaur Gladiator, Merfolk Gladiator, etc,...
Maybe we could see a Gladiator deck ?!
its quite possible. And it would be interesting. Although I think gladiators would be in {R} and {G}. And might be something like {magus of the arena}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 03:04:37 PM
Think {arena} will be reprinted?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: lotrwk on August 08, 2013, 04:28:41 PM
I think things like that will be re-done. Gladiators could get bonuses when fighting.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 05:30:29 PM
I was looking through singles today and got to Worldwake and I was thinking...what if Totem Armor is the returning mechanic. It makes sense because Greek god pretended to be (and in all of the art for Totem armor cards there is a person surrounded by an animal umbra, check it out:{Drake Umbra}). Also it works well because it is an enchantment mechanic and Theros is an Enchantment heavy set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DrainCleaner on August 08, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
I want a reprint of  {Amulet of Vigor} so  {Maze's End} can become a real card
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 08, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
I want a reprint of  {Amulet of Vigor} so  {Maze's End} can become a real card

That would be too overpowered. {Ring of Three Wishes} works well with it though, wish for more {Maze's End}s and you can pull out 4 guildgates a turn with them.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 08, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
The Esper in me is hoping there'll be a couple of Equipments too, if just a handful. It fits the mythos when considering Hercules had to get the reflective shield (which could have a reflect style mechanic) or Theseus' invisible cloak (unblockable), etc.

Edit: ... or at least I think it was Theseus... memory is hazy when waiting for work to start.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 08, 2013, 06:56:53 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 08, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
The Esper in me is hoping there'll be a couple of Equipments too, if just a handful. It fits the mythos when considering Hercules had to get the reflective shield (which could have a reflect style mechanic) or Theseus' invisible cloak (unblockable), etc.

Edit: ... or at least I think it was Theseus... memory is hazy when waiting for work to start.

I think it'll be a safe bet to see equipment based off of myths. They'd miss a big part of the God them if they didnt
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on August 08, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 08, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
I want a reprint of  {Amulet of Vigor} so  {Maze's End} can become a real card

That would be too overpowered. {Ring of Three Wishes} works well with it though, wish for more {Maze's End}s and you can pull out 4 guildgates a turn with them.

That wouldnt work. You'd be dead by then. You'd need to have 12 mana available to do that.  Mazes end costs 3 and tap to put a gate into play.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 07:38:34 PM
What about the sword that could pierce any armor, and the shield that could withstand and weapon?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 07:42:51 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on August 08, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 08, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
I want a reprint of  {Amulet of Vigor} so  {Maze's End} can become a real card

That would be too overpowered. {Ring of Three Wishes} works well with it though, wish for more {Maze's End}s and you can pull out 4 guildgates a turn with them.

That wouldnt work. You'd be dead by then. You'd need to have 12 mana available to do that.  Mazes end costs 3 and tap to put a gate into play.

Just run a Bant Mana ramp/control.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 08, 2013, 08:16:03 PM
OOHHHHH !!
I just thought about something we could see in Theros !!
How about a Chimera !!! That would be awesome !! 
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
{iron-heart chimera}
{tin-wing chimera}
{brass-talon chimera}
{lead-belly chimera}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 08, 2013, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
{iron-heart chimera}
{tin-wing chimera}
{brass-talon chimera}
{lead-belly chimera}

I'm talking about the real Chimera
Lion's head, goat's body, snake's tail, fire breathing
https://www.google.ch/search?q=chimera&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=mD4EUsGUIuWQ7AbcmYEQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=356
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 09:09:44 PM
I know what a chimera is. I'm just pointing out they kinda already played around in that space
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 09, 2013, 08:24:11 AM
Look at what was on Daily MTG today:

"Looking at Innistrad, some of the strongest cards interact with the graveyard, while most of the strongest cards in Return to Ravnica block are gold cards. Next year, many of the strongest cards will be enchantments or interact with them, because that is what the block is about. But that is a discussion for another week, very soon, when I can begin talking more about Theros and how it was put together."

Yes!!! So many people have been talking all about what heroes, gods and monsters will be like and I have been sitting here thinking "Oh great, looks like we will have to wait longer for a good enchantment set." but I guess not. Enchantments are going to be on top!!! Also it should be interesting to see what is revealed next week, me thinks that the spoilers are coming soon!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 12:53:09 PM
What if the rare lands in this set would be enchanted lands ?!
For exemple:

Nature's field

Enchanted land- Forest

{T} Add {G} to your mana pool

Green creatures you control have Trample

{G}{G}{T} Target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Forests you control


Volcano Arena

Enchanted land- Mountain

{T} Add {R} to your mana pool

Red creatures you control have Haste

{R}{R}{T} Volcano Arena deals X damage to target creature or player where X is the number of Mountains you control

Etc...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 09, 2013, 01:02:06 PM
You mean like the artifact lands ({Ancient Den}). Could you imagine that with {Ethereal Armor}!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
Yeah like that !!
Great potential for awesome reprints and new cards !!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bozo_Law on August 09, 2013, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 12:53:09 PM
What if the rare lands in this set would be enchanted lands ?!
For exemple:

Nature's field

Enchanted land- Forest

{T} Add {G} to your mana pool

Green creatures you control have Trample

{G}{G}{T} Target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Forests you control


Volcano Arena

Enchanted land- Mountain

{T} Add {R} to your mana pool

Red creatures you control have Haste

{R}{R}{T} Volcano Arena deals X damage to target creature or player where X is the number of Mountains you control

Etc...

Oooooohhhhhhhhhh here is one:

[cardname]
Land Enchantment- Aura

Enchant Creature
Enchanted creature get +1/+1 and has haste and trample.

{T}: Add {R} or {G} to your mana pool.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 09, 2013, 03:04:04 PM
What about this?

Benevolent presence

Legendary enchantment land creature

CARDNAME comes into play tapped

Blocking creatures you control gain +0/+1

{T}: add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Target opponent gains 1 life

2/3
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
There isn't going to be a lot of multicolored spells in Theros so i don't think we'il have lands that produce dual mana
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 09, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
There isn't going to be a lot of multicolored spells in Theros so i don't think we'il have lands that produce dual mana
they said there will be dual lands. However, these will make it hard to run more than two colors
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 09, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 09, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
There isn't going to be a lot of multicolored spells in Theros so i don't think we'il have lands that produce dual mana
they said there will be dual lands. However, these will make it hard to run more than two colors
.

Oh ok, sorry about that
Thanks for the info 😀
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 10, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
I'll bet there's going to be a good amount of enchantments with Flash and enchantments that give other enchantments Flash
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 10, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 10, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
I'll bet there's going to be a good amount of enchantments with Flash and enchantments that give other enchantments Flash
Confirmed? Link please? If speculation, please give reason/evidence.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 10, 2013, 02:58:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 10, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 10, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
I'll bet there's going to be a good amount of enchantments with Flash and enchantments that give other enchantments Flash
Confirmed? Link please? If speculation, please give reason/evidence.

Well Theros is going to be an echantment heavy set so i think a good way to have a lot of enchantments is if they gave them Flash
Just think about it, a human gets atacked by a Minotaur suddently a God gives him an armor so he can protect himself
I think it would go well with the flavor of the set
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on August 11, 2013, 10:05:55 AM
I see {Ethereal Armor} having a future if all the hype about Theros being a enchantment heavy block is true.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 11, 2013, 11:03:31 AM
Is this legit? It definitely seems to fit
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/hall-of-oaths-from-theros-real-or-fake/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 11, 2013, 12:38:14 PM
Theros is heavy enchant so I could see it happening.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: S717 on August 11, 2013, 11:03:31 AM
Is this legit? It definitely seems to fit
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/hall-of-oaths-from-theros-real-or-fake/

If so, I want a playset.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: smalone16 on August 11, 2013, 02:41:04 PM
There's now intense speculation that one of the iconic monsters in Theros will be a Mythic Sliver. Going to be interesting to see how that plays into new sliver builds.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 02:48:59 PM
I WANT SLIVERS!!!!!

Although, MaRo said no tribal feel except Minotaurs, but he could be lying to trick us
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 11, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
239/264 is the number on the bottom.  The second number is equal to the number of cards in the set. 

It's a fake because that number is wrong
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 11, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
If its going to enchantment heavy block, I bet we see a reprint or functional reprint of {Mesa enchantress} or {verduran enchantress}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 11, 2013, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 11, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
239/264 is the number on the bottom.  The second number is equal to the number of cards in the set. 

It's a fake because that number is wrong

That's unfortunate
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 11, 2013, 07:01:57 PM
Hall of Oaths is a sort of enchantment version of {Academy Ruins}. I don't see why it wouldn't be a possibility for that card to be real...if not for the set number thing.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 12, 2013, 12:10:30 AM
Hey guys, what if each God has it's own unique enchantment  ?!
Like: White God could be

Enchanted creature gets +2/+6 and gains Lifelink and Vigilance and has "Whenever a White spell is cast, you may gain 1 life
{W} This creature gets +0/+1 until end of turn"

Blue God could be

Echanted creature gets +2/+3 and gains Flying and Hexproof and has "Whenever a Blue spell is cast, you may have target opponents put the top card of their library in their graveyard
{U} Draw a card, then discard a card"

Red God

Enchanted creature gets +5/+1 and gains Haste and First Strike and has "Whenever a Red spell is cast, you may have enchanted creature deal 1 damage to target creature or player
{R} This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn"

Green God

Enchanted creature gets +4/+4 and gains Trample and Shroud and has "Whenever a Green spell is cast, you may have target creature get +1/+1 until end of turn
{G} Add {2} to your mana pool"

Black God

Enchanted creature gets +3/+3 and gains Deadtouch and Intimidate and has "Whenever a Black spell is cast, you may have target creature get -1/-1 until end of turn
{B} Regenerate this creature"

Sorry, i know it's long but.....well....it's fun making cards 😊
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: xStrayKnightx on August 12, 2013, 07:12:26 AM
I actually really like that idea. They'd be legendary enchantments though, otherwise if you had a playset on the field it'd be way OP'd.

You could compliment them with Shrines to those gods, though, that are a less powerful version of those enchantments.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 12, 2013, 03:10:42 PM
I am thinking maybe the gods will be enchantment creatures, if you look at the spoiler art for Theros the god's body is half sunken into the earth and he looks almost ethereal.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 12, 2013, 06:45:10 PM
I think Gods are going to be summoned into the command zone. For awhile they were experimenting with the Vanguard format, it didnt work out. I've a feeling that they'll have alternate casting costs (tied to a series of enchantments or something), then be summoned into the command zone. Once they're in the command zone, they'll likely act like vanguard cards and be able to interact with things on the battlefield, change your hand size, adjust your life total, ect.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 12, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Vanguard cards??
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: xStrayKnightx on August 12, 2013, 06:57:01 PM
Vanguard's another card game floating around.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 12, 2013, 06:59:49 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 12, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Vanguard cards??

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/productarticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/vanguard/productinfo

The format is no longer supported by Wizards. But the Vanguard cards START in the command zone. However the Gods would have to be added to the command zone after, from there they can do vanguard-y things.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 12, 2013, 09:40:39 PM
Squee and Tawnos are the best!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on August 12, 2013, 11:31:14 PM
I think it'll be like, you can only cast this good if you have x y enchantments. Y is the color
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 13, 2013, 08:37:07 AM
What if the alternate cost is you can cast them for free if you control so many of this color permanent.

Like a 6 CMC green creature that you can cast for free if you control 5 or 7 green permanents or something like that. Sorta like the {force of will} mechanic tweaked for the small mono-colored theme
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 13, 2013, 09:51:21 AM
Spoilers have started... http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7595
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 13, 2013, 10:08:57 AM
Both of those are silly and I want a play set of each, thank you.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 13, 2013, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 13, 2013, 10:08:57 AM
Both of those are silly and I want a play set of each, thank you.

I know...a 3/2 with vigilance, first strike and Heroic...for {1}{W}{R}!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 13, 2013, 10:37:18 AM
So is monstrosity a new mechanic?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 13, 2013, 10:59:31 AM
Polukranus ?! That's a cool ass name !!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 13, 2013, 12:15:42 PM
Looks like green aggro ramp got a new toy
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 13, 2013, 12:21:23 PM
With can I name 0 creatures? If I don't want to fight?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 13, 2013, 12:32:18 PM
Dat boros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 13, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
How would you clear all the +1/+1 counters off of him?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 13, 2013, 01:54:14 PM
{give // take} seems good
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 14, 2013, 11:41:40 AM
I hope those aren't the mechanics they yaked about, those are so boring.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Hopefully a mechanic that's like what the card {Beserk}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 14, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Hopefully a mechanic that's like what the card {Beserk}?
😳Really?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 14, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Hopefully a mechanic that's like what the card {Beserk}?
😳Really?

I'd like that.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 14, 2013, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 14, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Hopefully a mechanic that's like what the card {Beserk}?
😳Really?

I'd like that.

My deck would be broken ...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 14, 2013, 06:40:36 PM
Nvm it can only be cast after but still my deck gets very op from it
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 14, 2013, 06:53:47 PM
I mean, like,
{2}, discard a card: this creature gets +{X}\+{0} until end of turn. At the end of combat, sacrafice this creature if it attacked this turn.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 14, 2013, 07:00:53 PM
Still I bloodrush a lot and can make some petty big creatures so for 2 mana to be able to just double the power with trample ... yes please
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 14, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Ooh ooh! They just released the 20 basic lands !
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 15, 2013, 12:22:18 AM
Well we've seen the Monster mechanic "Monstrosity" and Hero mechanic "Heroic".

Refresher-

Monstrosity — {X}{X}{G}: Put X +1/+1 counters on Polukranos. Then, Polukranos deals damage equal to the number of counters put onto Polukranos this way divided as you choose among any number of target creatures. Each of those creatures deals damage equal to its power to Polukranos. Activate this ability only if there are no counters on Polukranos.

(Presumably the casting cost changes and perhaps what the spell does? The active only once is probably the same for cards with "Monstrosity")


Heroic — Whenever [CARD NAME] becomes the target of a spell you control, creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain trample until end of turn.

(The effect likely changes for each card. But the trigger is the same for all cards with "Heroic")
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 15, 2013, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 14, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Ooh ooh! They just released the 20 basic lands !
Could you please out a link up where you've seen the land art please, Mustachio?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 15, 2013, 01:10:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 15, 2013, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 14, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Ooh ooh! They just released the 20 basic lands !
Could you please out a link up where you've seen the land art please, Mustachio?

I haven't seen art but I'll link you to the page they confirmed release of the basic lands, which im sure art will follow.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7595
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 15, 2013, 09:36:49 AM
Bant chantment is going to be insane in this block

Edit: auras work well with heroic. Aura swap would as well, if they bring it back
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on August 15, 2013, 12:10:48 PM
The mythic hydra is pretty garbage. A 5/5 for 4 with a fringe-playable ability that will almost never make an impact? Sounds a little familiar...*cough*{Deadbridge Goliath}.

The boros legend on the other hand, looks very good to me. a 3 power first striker for 3 is already solid material. Add vigilance and a sicknasty ability? Psshh I think this one will see play.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on August 15, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 15, 2013, 12:10:48 PM
The mythic hydra is pretty garbage. A 5/5 for 4 with a fringe-playable ability that will almost never make an impact? Sounds a little familiar...*cough*{Deadbridge Goliath}.

The boros legend on the other hand, looks very good to me. a 3 power first striker for 3 is already solid material. Add vigilance and a sicknasty ability? Psshh I think this one will see play.

This I agree with. The hydra ability is like a mini fight, but he only does damage equal to the counters put on him. Where he takes full damage in return. Useful to clear mana dorks (if any more are reprinted) and that's about it. The double x is what kills it. We can bet on the hero getting  {Dynacharge} and swinging for 6 by himself.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 15, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
I wish the hydra was better...
the boros warrior is amazing just because he is a 3/2 first strike with vigilance.  then his ability makes everything better...  i mean, those spells include enchantments in the enchantment based block.

SCARY
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Blitz_Tornado on August 15, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
I am positive that Elspeth will appear once again as W. She may be multicolored with something other then W but Theros appears to be mostly mono-colored so I doubt it. As for the other Planeswalkers I speculate that Dack Fayden will be one of them. I assume he will be U, but it's me being baseless. The third Planeswalker hopefully will be multi-colored with W G since this combination has not been done before with Planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 15, 2013, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: Blitz_Tornado on August 15, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
I am positive that Elspeth will appear once again as W. She may be multicolored with something other then W but Theros appears to be mostly mono-colored so I doubt it. As for the other Planeswalkers I speculate that Dack Fayden will be one of them. I assume he will be U, but it's me being baseless. The third Planeswalker hopefully will be multi-colored with W G since this combination has not been done before with Planeswalkers.
I still think Elspeth Ascended is AMAZING!  And checks out so far. 
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 16, 2013, 12:44:52 AM
Quote from: Blitz_Tornado on August 15, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
I am positive that Elspeth will appear once again as W. She may be multicolored with something other then W but Theros appears to be mostly mono-colored so I doubt it. As for the other Planeswalkers I speculate that Dack Fayden will be one of them. I assume he will be U, but it's me being baseless. The third Planeswalker hopefully will be multi-colored with W G since this combination has not been done before with Planeswalkers.
{Kiora Atua}, jus' preemptively saying. But she would be multi ...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on August 16, 2013, 02:47:42 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 15, 2013, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: Blitz_Tornado on August 15, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
I am positive that Elspeth will appear once again as W. She may be multicolored with something other then W but Theros appears to be mostly mono-colored so I doubt it. As for the other Planeswalkers I speculate that Dack Fayden will be one of them. I assume he will be U, but it's me being baseless. The third Planeswalker hopefully will be multi-colored with W G since this combination has not been done before with Planeswalkers.
I still think Elspeth Ascended is AMAZING!  And checks out so far.

Yes!! I love elspeth ascended. I would get a million
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 16, 2013, 07:40:09 AM
What do you bet that the other two planeswalkers will be coffee vampire and infinite divinity?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 16, 2013, 09:18:41 AM
According to this

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/

You pay {G}{G}{X} for his ability

Not {G}{X}{X}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 16, 2013, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 16, 2013, 09:18:41 AM
According to this

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/

You pay {G}{G}{X} for his ability

Not {G}{X}{X}

Thats a lot better
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 16, 2013, 12:12:02 PM
I bet medusas would be double X. But that's because she would petrify the creature, and that would be overpowered as just X
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 16, 2013, 04:06:07 PM
How do the heroes work again? Like are they free to play? I didn't see any mana symbols
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 16, 2013, 04:09:17 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 16, 2013, 04:01:10 PM
Thanks for that link...hadn't checked mythicspoiler since I had already seen mtgsalvation. This seems way more playable, and I like that this has rules text. The fact that creatures BECOME monstrous is cool, as I'm sure we'll see spells that interact with the mechanic.
like this?

{W}{2}

Destroy target attacking creature. If that creature is monstrous, it doesn't have to be attacking
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 18, 2013, 06:05:03 PM
Do you think red will get some fliers? The red God/ess (not sure which it is) Nyx, is god of the night sky...than again, I'm not sure if there would be many...unless the were paired with white
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 18, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
Mythologically speaking Phoenix's were pretty popular.. So I'd assume, they are a popular red flier.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 18, 2013, 08:03:45 PM
Quote from: Vyse on August 18, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
Mythologically speaking Phoenix's were pretty popular.. So I'd assume, they are a popular red flier.
oh good. Because I need some red fliers, and there aren't that many good ones. Or at least that will work with the deck I'm making
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 18, 2013, 11:07:16 PM
Hey guys, would it be awesome if we get a creature based on Typhon ??!!

If you don't know who Typhon is, Typhon is one of the most powerful Greek mythology creature. Together with Echidna, it gave birth to many of the monsters in Greek mythology including Chimera, Cerberus, Sphinx etc...
Typhon is said to be really huge. Its upper body is human like and is said to be taller than a mountain. His bottom half comprised of large vipers that can reach far out in any directions.
In the battle between Gaia and Zeus, Typhon was sent by Gaia as the last resort to destroy the Gods. In the first battle with Zeus, Typhon actually won by capturing Zeus' sinews.  Fortunately, the god of speed recovered the sinews. In the second battle, Zeus managed to defeat Typhon and sealed him under Mount Etna.

(I love Greek mythology !! 😊)
Of course this creature would be mythic and super powerful !!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 18, 2013, 11:13:32 PM
1. That's sick!
2. Bottom half like vipers sound like  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} to me lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on August 19, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 16, 2013, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 16, 2013, 09:18:41 AM
According to this

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/

You pay {G}{G}{X} for his ability

Not {G}{X}{X}

Thats a lot better

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat261_pwe_en_e2e8lkg145.jpg)

Sorry to burst the bubble, but it is {X}{X}{G}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 19, 2013, 01:35:03 AM
Anyone think we'll see the furies?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 19, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
New spoilers on mtgsalvation. This set looks sooooo cool from a flavor standpoint. Really excited.

Holy .poo.. {Cavalry Pegasus} and {Ordeal of Purphoros} both seen like cards I'd love.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 19, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
New spoilers on mtgsalvation. This set looks sooooo cool from a flavor standpoint. Really excited.

Holy .poo.. {Cavalry Pegasus} and {Ordeal of Purphoros} both seen like cards I'd love.
they definitely look playable. But not to the point were I think they deserve a holy .poo. comment
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on August 19, 2013, 09:07:30 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 19, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
New spoilers on mtgsalvation. This set looks sooooo cool from a flavor standpoint. Really excited.

Holy .poo.. {Cavalry Pegasus} and {Ordeal of Purphoros} both seen like cards I'd love.

I'd like Ordeal better if it said sac the creature instead.

"Oh, that's a nice beefy Hydra you got there. Lets add this to it."
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 19, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
We're going to have Satyrs, i knew it !! 😝
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 19, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Think that there might be a return of cards like  {Draco} where it costs less if you have basics. This could reduce the 3-coloured decks if there are enough good ones of these
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on August 19, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
Link please?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 19, 2013, 11:53:43 AM
Dat boros humans!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DylanW18 on August 19, 2013, 01:42:39 PM
Did anyone notice the symbol for Theros changed on the cards?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: scarsabrex on August 19, 2013, 01:47:57 PM
Did you notice that might be because the cards are from the duel decks?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 01:51:47 PM
I wonder if wizards leaked two separate versions of the hydra to hide the real one
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: scarsabrex on August 19, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
Doubtful now that they've already had the duel decks preview.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
There redoing the mechanic lands? Yet another reinforcer to my theory about the block after Theros being Dominiria, those are Dominiria locations

Maybe Theros came about during the events of time spiral and is a different version of it
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 19, 2013, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
There redoing the mechanic lands? Yet another reinforcer to my theory about the block after Theros being Dominiria, those are Dominiria locations

Maybe Theros came about during the events of time spiral and is a different version of it

You seem so knowledgable on this stuff lol but what's a mechanic land?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:45:11 PM
Lands with mechanics like {llanowar reborn}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 19, 2013, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:45:11 PM
Lands with mechanics like {llanowar reborn}

That sounds amazing!! And would help my deck a lot!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 19, 2013, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:45:11 PM
Lands with mechanics like {llanowar reborn}

That sounds amazing!! And would help my deck a lot!!
yea. And llanowar is a location in Dominiria. The first plane in magic the gathering. And the setting in the time spiral block
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
Here's the dual deck list

http://www.magicspoiler.com/heroes-vs-monters-spoiler/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 19, 2013, 03:50:37 PM
Looks like the Hydra is {X}{X}. Also, I'm gonna buy that!!!! I bet you'll make money!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
There redoing the mechanic lands? Yet another reinforcer to my theory about the block after Theros being Dominiria, those are Dominiria locations

Maybe Theros came about during the events of time spiral and is a different version of it

I don't think they are redoing them. There are only 6 cards in the duel decks that are being printed in Theros. They also spoiled the duel decks and the six are: {Polukranos, World Eater}, {Anax and Cymede}, {Cavalry Pegasus}, {Ordeal of Purphoros}, {Satyr Hedonist} and {Destructive Revelry}

http://wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/261
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on August 19, 2013, 05:22:12 PM
That {Beast Within} art!!! 😍😍😍
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 19, 2013, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 19, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
New spoilers on mtgsalvation. This set looks sooooo cool from a flavor standpoint. Really excited.

Holy .poo.. {Cavalry Pegasus} and {Ordeal of Purphoros} both seen like cards I'd love.
they definitely look playable. But not to the point were I think they deserve a holy .poo. comment

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat261a_cp_en_q7uyjjsteu.jpg)

That could destroy in an Innistrad style human deck. Could you imagine an staring at army of humans and then all the sudden it hits the field along with a {Lightning Mauler}. That's when your opponent scoops.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on August 19, 2013, 06:55:05 PM
That Pegasus art is gorgeous. All of the art in this set so far is looking pretty promising.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 07:00:40 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on August 19, 2013, 06:55:05 PM
That Pegasus art is gorgeous. All of the art in this set so far is looking pretty promising.

That's the art for the duel deck though, so they might not be the art for Theros.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rass on August 19, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
Looks like a good DD. almost tempted to get 4 so I can get a play set of some cards
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 19, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
The RtR cards in Izzet v Golgari didn't have alternate art.

Some of them did...look at {Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord} another example is {Putrefy} (which was reprinted in DGM)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: xborborygmosx on August 19, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Anyone else think the titans might be reprinted in Theros?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on August 19, 2013, 10:46:16 PM
I want  {Grave Titan} to be reprinted.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rass on August 19, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: xborborygmosx on August 19, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Anyone else think the titans might be reprinted in Theros?

I don't think so. Isn't  {Primeval Titan} banned in most formats.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 19, 2013, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Rass on August 19, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: xborborygmosx on August 19, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Anyone else think the titans might be reprinted in Theros?

I don't think so. Isn't  {Primeval Titan} banned in most formats.

The worst is probably {Inferno Titan}, what's blues again?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: Rass on August 19, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: xborborygmosx on August 19, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Anyone else think the titans might be reprinted in Theros?

I don't think so. Isn't  {Primeval Titan} banned in most formats.

No, just commander. That's probably because when you drop him he gives you the land to cast him after he dies (CMC+2)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 19, 2013, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 19, 2013, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: Rass on August 19, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: xborborygmosx on August 19, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Anyone else think the titans might be reprinted in Theros?

I don't think so. Isn't  {Primeval Titan} banned in most formats.

No, just commander. That's probably because when you drop him he gives you the land to cast him after he dies (CMC+2)
It's actually due to the number of OP lands available in edh.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rass on August 19, 2013, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 19, 2013, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Rass on August 19, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: xborborygmosx on August 19, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Anyone else think the titans might be reprinted in Theros?

I don't think so. Isn't  {Primeval Titan} banned in most formats.

The worst is probably {Inferno Titan}, what's blues again?

Just check the database and input Titan
{Frost Titan}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 19, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
{Frost Titan} is the worst, and {Inferno Titan} has won many games for me, so he isn't bad.

But incomparison he is 4th on the list.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: xborborygmosx on August 20, 2013, 02:01:26 AM
Primeval Titan was the .poo.. But for edh reasons there is a high chance of no reprint. But I can hope
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 20, 2013, 12:56:51 PM
I think the concept of Titans fits, but the actual ones we're talking about, not so much. Now if they're talking Gaia, Atlas , Kronos and Hyperion, etc... I'm in for that discussion!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on August 20, 2013, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 20, 2013, 12:56:51 PM
I think the concept of Titans fits, but the actual ones we're talking about, not so much. Now if they're talking Gaia, Atlas , Kronos and Hyperion, etc... I'm in for that discussion!

A new line of titans? I'd be okay with that. ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 20, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
New cycle of titans please! {Sun Titan} fits thematically, perhaps {Grave Titan}. The others can use a revamp.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: xborborygmosx on August 20, 2013, 05:35:04 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 20, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
New cycle of titans please! {Sun Titan} fits thematically, perhaps {Grave Titan}. The others can use a revamp.

Agreed
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 05:45:43 PM
Idk....MaRo has said before that the Titans had to go because...well...they dominated too much, but it doesn't hurt to dream. Five new titans would be cool though.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 05:45:43 PM
Idk....MaRo has said before that the Titans had to go because...well...they dominated too much, but it doesn't hurt to dream. Five new titans would be cool though.
maybe they could make titans were you have to sacrifice a number of enchantments were the total cost of the enchantments sacrificed is equal to or greater than there casting cost as an additional cost to cast them?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on August 20, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
I doubt they'll bring the titans back simply because I don't see a standard reprint of  {Primeval Titan} and its hard to believe they'd reprint the others and then change primeval. I could see them doing a variation of the titans tho bc let's face it...it fits. I just think they will all be new rather than reprints.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:03:57 PM
Maybe with the world eater the point is to beef him up, rather than use his ability. That the damage it deals is more of a drawback than what it does. I mean, a 5/5 for 4? And than you pay 3 more, and its a 6/6 for 7. And not to mention they try to make support cards for mechanics (whether hidden or out in the open) not to mention the sleuth of infinite mana combos to abuse him. I would say he's playable, but you would have to build a deck around it, rather than build it around the deck
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:14:58 PM
I kind of like Monstrosity, its not great but it is easily used as a combat trick or something you can do it evade a kill spell. Oh Murder, how about instead I pay 3 and wreck a creature or two of your's. Or you attack with Polukranos and someone blocks it with like a {Hover Barrier} you go, screw you, throw some mana into Polukranos, kill the {Hover Barrier} and wreck some creatures in the meantime. It's also pretty nice to take out annoying mana dorks or other smaller creatures like a young {Scavenging Ooze} or a {Deathrite Shaman}.

Also remember, you deal X damage divided as you choose to any number of creatures your opponents control and they deal damage to it, so if you choose wisely you don't have to kill him. If you wanted to you could pay 3 and destroy 5 1/1s and still have it survive.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:22:08 PM
Wait...I can definitely see a deck that he is absolutely boss in...simic!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Oh wait! Use it as a combat trick to finish off creatures
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Oh wait! Use it as a combat trick to finish off creatures

I already pointed that out.......
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:35:42 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Oh wait! Use it as a combat trick to finish off creatures

I already pointed that out.......
sorry, didn't read your post...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:35:42 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Oh wait! Use it as a combat trick to finish off creatures

I already pointed that out.......
sorry, didn't read your post...

That explains it!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:54:01 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:35:42 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Oh wait! Use it as a combat trick to finish off creatures

I already pointed that out.......
sorry, didn't read your post...

That explains it!!
and now your irritated. Oh well
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 20, 2013, 06:59:49 PM
I'm not irritated. It happens, I don't read every post on each thread either.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 20, 2013, 07:31:39 PM
I thought primordials were supposed to be the new titans? First we want a new jace when we just got one, now titans lol... We are a greedy bunch.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 20, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
I'm pretty sure your going to see more about gods than titans its mythology themed not based.

I know right I <3 titans omgroflmaobbq

But the mechanic wasn't that long ago. Honestly I'm ready for all fresh all new (I know some stuff is returning but what I gathered from their allusion is that it really didn't get played)

Although whoever said sacing enchantments to summon "titans" would be the mechanic I could see that. Replace titan with god though.

And im going to take it a step further and say it may be an aura that you need to sac.

Like white god is sac a aura attached to a "hero" and green god is sac a aura attached to a "monstrosity"

Etc
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 20, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 20, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
I'm pretty sure your going to see more about gods than titans its mythology themed not based.

I know right I <3 titans omgroflmaobbq

But the mechanic wasn't that long ago. Honestly I'm ready for all fresh all new (I know some stuff is returning but what I gathered from their allusion is that it really didn't get played)

Although whoever said sacing enchantments to summon "titans" would be the mechanic I could see that. Replace titan with god though.

And im going to take it a step further and say it may be an aura that you need to sac.

Like white god is sac a aura attached to a "hero" and green god is sac a aura attached to a "monstrosity"

Etc
Oh for sure, this makes sense to me for sure.

Without posting it, I've been thinking for a couple of days now something like:

<Blue God Name>           {6}{U}{U}

Something something about a general blue effect, like tap creatures, or mill, or something...

<God Mechanic Name> - When <Blue God Name> comes into play, sacrifice any amount of auras attached to blue creature you control (or unnattach them and attach them to <Blue God Name>). It cost {1} less to cast for every aura sacrificed this way.

                                                      ?/?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 21, 2013, 07:32:11 AM
I was thinking you need to sac enchantments whose total casting cost equal the gods cost, but that would work too I think
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 21, 2013, 09:19:37 AM
Affinity for enchantments (auras not as bad) would be dumb..... lol

Herp derp {ethereal armor} {detention sphere} {unflinching courage} {blind obedience}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 21, 2013, 03:45:28 PM
Well Theros could have a God cycle, Born of the Gods could have a Titan cycle (Gods would create Titans to defend each realm) and Journey into Nyx would have a Underworld cycle (These would be enchantments that affect the game, like the "enchant world" cards)

Although i don't think that's gonna happen
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
Did any one see DailyMTG today? It's "A Planeswalkers Guide to Theros Part 1"!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
Did any one see DailyMTG today? It's "A Planeswalkers Guide to Theros Part 1"!

How good was it?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 21, 2013, 06:10:07 PM
Link? Im driving and hard to google right now
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on August 21, 2013, 06:16:42 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
Did any one see DailyMTG today? It's "A Planeswalkers Guide to Theros Part 1"!


They said the Gods themselves are living enchanments
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2013, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
Did any one see DailyMTG today? It's "A Planeswalkers Guide to Theros Part 1"!

How good was it?

It was okay. It talked out the gods (names, background, powers...).
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on August 21, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Signature item: Purphoros wields Akmon, a large hammer whose head slightly resembles an anvil. A blow from Akmon can render the earth molten, and when it strikes metal, each spark becomes a new enchantment, some of which even take on life.

😳

I wonder if the gods grant token enchantments.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 21, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
And we have a blue legendary enchantment.  That is also an artifact.  That draws you a card when creatures you control punch other players.  Oh yeah, and if you pay {U}{2}{T}. You can make your opponents creatures attack if able.

Thoughts??
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 21, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 21, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
And we have a blue legendary enchantment.  That is also an artifact.  That draws you a card when creatures you control punch other players.  Oh yeah, and if you pay {U}{2}{T}. You can make your opponents creatures attack if able.

Thoughts??
First thought: {Naturalize}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on August 21, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 21, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 21, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
And we have a blue legendary enchantment.  That is also an artifact.  That draws you a card when creatures you control punch other players.  Oh yeah, and if you pay {U}{2}{T}. You can make your opponents creatures attack if able.

Thoughts??
First thought: {Naturalize}
Lol we had the same first thought.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 21, 2013, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on August 21, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 21, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 21, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
And we have a blue legendary enchantment.  That is also an artifact.  That draws you a card when creatures you control punch other players.  Oh yeah, and if you pay {U}{2}{T}. You can make your opponents creatures attack if able.

Thoughts??
First thought: {Naturalize}
Lol we had the same first thought.
Is everyone having the same thought?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on August 21, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on August 21, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 21, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 21, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
And we have a blue legendary enchantment.  That is also an artifact.  That draws you a card when creatures you control punch other players.  Oh yeah, and if you pay {U}{2}{T}. You can make your opponents creatures attack if able.

Thoughts??
First thought: {Naturalize}
Lol we had the same first thought.

My first though was that plus {Sunblast Angel} plus {Alchemist's refuge}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 21, 2013, 11:14:02 PM
^ or {savage summoning}

I dunno. Maybe not standard. Leaving them open to draw potential + damage ain't bad tho
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 07:42:04 AM
I honestly think saving mechanics whoes total casting cost equal the casting cost of the creature would work better than it costing 1 less for each one saced. And it wouldn't be broken either
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on August 22, 2013, 12:59:37 PM
The art is freaking awesome so far
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 01:51:27 PM
I think the environment is aggressive enough were {force of will} should make a comeback. They say Theros is for new players? Lets hope the appeal towards experienced players after that
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.
i'll do this too. We need more people though
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective

Dibs on ranting!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective

Dibs on ranting!!!
i'll send him an e-mail that's somewhere in between tommorow
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 22, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective

Dibs on ranting!!!
i'll send him an e-mail that's somewhere in between tommorow

I'll act CRAAAAAZYYYYYY about this!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 22, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective

Dibs on ranting!!!
i'll send him an e-mail that's somewhere in between tommorow

I'll act CRAAAAAZYYYYYY about this!!!!
send MaRo a e-mail
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on August 22, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 22, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective

Dibs on ranting!!!
i'll send him an e-mail that's somewhere in between tommorow

I'll act CRAAAAAZYYYYYY about this!!!!
send MaRo a e-mail

Where could we find this email address
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 22, 2013, 09:43:17 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on August 22, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 22, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 22, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have an idea.  Let us all e-mail Mark Rosewater maturely.  Asking why all of the aggro recently, and when control will be a popular thing again.  The mature e-mail is much better than the few page long rant.

But less fun than spamming with a few page long rants.
polite asking, plus rants might be more effective

Dibs on ranting!!!
i'll send him an e-mail that's somewhere in between tommorow

I'll act CRAAAAAZYYYYYY about this!!!!
send MaRo a e-mail

Where could we find this email address
Google!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 22, 2013, 09:45:44 PM
Also, you can contact him via e-mail at the bottom of his "making magic" columns on the mtg website
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 22, 2013, 10:13:43 PM
I like that artifact enchantment.  Why might you ask?

Turbofog.  Think about it.

Play {Goblin Diplomats}, then {elite archivist} with {Fog}. Keep spamming that out while you form a team of hitters.  Then play that when mana is sufficient.  Hit for a bit with quite a number of creatures.  Draw even more attackers.

I like this in commander, seems a bit slow for standard, and especially modern.  But remember, it's Turbo Fog.  It is supposed to be slow.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 25, 2013, 12:25:47 PM
What are tools red and blue have against that world eater hydra thing?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 25, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
I can see it giving my flying deck trouble...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 26, 2013, 02:57:22 AM
Anyone read the new article? Trojan horse all but confirmed, sick sounding creatures, and a card that could have been in modern masters ({thoughtsieze}?)and I'm starting to become sure when I say the new-old ability will be chroma, just reworked and worded as say, devotion.

Just so you don't have to look yourselves-

A 3/3 with three abilities that uses fate counters
Multiple cards with the word "nongorgon"
A high-profile cycle of legendary permanents that are not creatures or lands
A rare card with five words of rules text in which one of the words is "planeswalker"
An artifact creature that appears to be a big horse made out of wood
A 5/5 giant snake that can be cast for (G)(G)
A multicolor Minotaur lord
A card that could have been in Modern Masters
A giant that brings fire to humans
A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine
Here are a few names of cards you will see:

Anger of the Gods
Chained to the Rocks
Lost in a Labyrinth
Rescue from the Underworld
Underworld Cereberus
Witch's Eye
Finally, here are some of the creatures you're going to see (note that not all of these are creature types and is only a partial list):

Catoblepas
Chimera
Cyclops
Harpy
Hippocamp
Hundred-Handed One
Kraken
Nymph (Alseid, Dryad, Lampad, Naiad, and Oread)
Pegasus
Satyr
Siren
Triton
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 26, 2013, 04:30:04 AM
Wait, no Centaurs and Manticores ?? 😕

Ih well, Chimera FTW !! 😄
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 07:21:56 AM
Quote from: Vyse on August 26, 2013, 02:57:22 AM
Anyone read the new article? Trojan horse all but confirmed, sick sounding creatures, and a card that could have been in modern masters ({thoughtsieze}?)and I'm starting to become sure when I say the new-old ability will be chroma, just reworked and worded as say, devotion.

Just so you don't have to look yourselves-

A 3/3 with three abilities that uses fate counters
Multiple cards with the word "nongorgon"
A high-profile cycle of legendary permanents that are not creatures or lands
A rare card with five words of rules text in which one of the words is "planeswalker"
An artifact creature that appears to be a big horse made out of wood
A 5/5 giant snake that can be cast for (G)(G)
A multicolor Minotaur lord
A card that could have been in Modern Masters
A giant that brings fire to humans
A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine
Here are a few names of cards you will see:

Anger of the Gods
Chained to the Rocks
Lost in a Labyrinth
Rescue from the Underworld
Underworld Cereberus
Witch's Eye
Finally, here are some of the creatures you're going to see (note that not all of these are creature types and is only a partial list):

Catoblepas
Chimera
Cyclops
Harpy
Hippocamp
Hundred-Handed One
Kraken
Nymph (Alseid, Dryad, Lampad, Naiad, and Oread)
Pegasus
Satyr
Siren
Triton

What's your source???
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 26, 2013, 08:12:13 AM
You had me at Trojan Horse, you kept me at Chimera.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 07:21:56 AM


What's your source???
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/262
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 26, 2013, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Vyse on August 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 07:21:56 AM


What's your source???
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/262
Holy crap. Sometimes, I just don't even bother with MtG Daily columns/articles. Not because they're bad but because they're so damn good and rife with juicy info!

They're like the good and positive version of Google Doctor where you type in "head ache and compacted left ear" and four link clicks and an hour later: "You have early onset blood cancer of the brain in the fourth trimester." I start reading a column (a Rosewater one ordinarily) and an hour later I haven't finished the initial article about the current set because somehow I'm in a post from years ago about why planeswalkers did blah blah blah.

Ugh, too much cool stuff to read, not enough free time!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 26, 2013, 10:49:53 AM
the hippocamp must have an excellent memory. i bet it remembers every single detail of every moment of it's life :P
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: Vyse on August 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 07:21:56 AM


What's your source???
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/262

Hahaha, thanks. I went to DailyMTG but didn't seen anything that I thought would be about Theros so I spent the next 20 minutes scouring the internet trying to find it....when it was just under my nose.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on August 26, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 26, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
Intriguing. I wonder what he means by "which is one of the Power 9." Obviously nothing to do with THE power 9, does he mean power 9 of Theros?

Yes he means the power 9. The creature will produce the effect when it deals damage to a player. Likely {timetwister} though could be {time walk}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Tidds123 on August 26, 2013, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on August 26, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 26, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
Intriguing. I wonder what he means by "which is one of the Power 9." Obviously nothing to do with THE power 9, does he mean power 9 of Theros?

Yes he means the power 9. The creature will produce the effect when it deals damage to a player. Likely {timetwister} though could be {time walk}.


Could be {ancestral recall} also
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 26, 2013, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tidds123 on August 26, 2013, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on August 26, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 26, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
Intriguing. I wonder what he means by "which is one of the Power 9." Obviously nothing to do with THE power 9, does he mean power 9 of Theros?

Yes he means the power 9. The creature will produce the effect when it deals damage to a player. Likely {timetwister} though could be {time walk}.


Could be {ancestral recall} also

It says "Saboteur ability", {Ancestral Recall} doesn't have much to do with sabotage

{Time Twister} on the other hand...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 26, 2013, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 26, 2013, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tidds123 on August 26, 2013, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on August 26, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 26, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
Intriguing. I wonder what he means by "which is one of the Power 9." Obviously nothing to do with THE power 9, does he mean power 9 of Theros?

Yes he means the power 9. The creature will produce the effect when it deals damage to a player. Likely {timetwister} though could be {time walk}.


Could be {ancestral recall} also

It says "Saboteur ability", {Ancestral Recall} doesn't have much to do with sabotage

{Time Twister} on the other hand...

I could see some like this. When CARDNAME deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice CARDNAME. If you do, take an additional turn after this one.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 26, 2013, 07:06:13 PM
{Timetwister} and {Timewalk} have been reprinted at different power levels, with much greater mana costs and things. I could see either one being reprinted as a super tough to achieve ability.

As far as Modern Masters cards that missed: {Damnation} and {Thoughtseize} missed the cut. I could see either one (or both) hitting this set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 26, 2013, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 26, 2013, 07:06:13 PM
{Timetwister} and {Timewalk} have been reprinted at different power levels, with much greater mana costs and things. I could see either one being reprinted as a super tough to achieve ability.

As far as Modern Masters cards that missed: {Damnation} and {Thoughtseize} missed the cut. I could see either one (or both) hitting this set.
Ohhh! I'm feeling that {damnation}!! Erebos gets pissed, smites some idiot! I like it!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 07:26:18 PM
Isn't {Damnation} just a black {Wrath of God}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 26, 2013, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 07:26:18 PM
Isn't {Damnation} just a black {Wrath of God}
It could be... but the art is much more intimidating
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 26, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
This would be a good format for damnation. We are losing most of the walkers that wouldve been OP with it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 26, 2013, 08:25:34 PM
we are losing {mutilate} right? black needs a good sweeper i believe
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 26, 2013, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on August 26, 2013, 08:25:34 PM
we are losing {mutilate} right? black needs a good sweeper i believe
Thats debatable. Black has such good spot removal that it is often given poor but effective wrath like {mutilate} and {consume the meek}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 26, 2013, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 26, 2013, 09:14:36 PM
Hmmm, a 5/5 for {G}{G}.  I like.

You know there has to be a drawback. "Can't attack unless enchanted", "Sacrifice a creature when CARDNAME enters the battlefield", "CARDNAME can't be cast unless you control X enchantments" or some kind of Chroma rehash.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 27, 2013, 12:34:10 AM
For a Chroma reference that people are hypothesising about look at {Umbra Stalker}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on August 27, 2013, 12:50:13 AM
Chroma it is. Check out the black creature. Now called devotion.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1307
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 27, 2013, 01:27:19 AM
Boom called that one :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 27, 2013, 01:49:34 AM
Oh, there's a new board for the "Enchantment creature" cards !! 😀

This set just feels so Epic !!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 27, 2013, 01:55:13 AM
So when the bestowed creature dies do I get the enchantment creaturestill or is it gone too? Just wondering
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on August 27, 2013, 02:00:27 AM
I believe the way it's made out to be, is when you cast it for it's enchantment cost, and whatever you've enchanted dies, it returns to the field as an enchantment creature. Seems really cool actually.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 27, 2013, 02:01:08 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on August 27, 2013, 01:55:13 AM
So when the bestowed creature dies do I get the enchantment creaturestill or is it gone too? Just wondering

I guess if you play it for it's normal cmc you get the creature but if you play it for it's bestow cost you get to enchant a creature, once the enchanted creature dies the bestowed creature stops beeing an Aura and becomes a creature
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 27, 2013, 02:01:48 AM
Hmm I don't think it leaves the field, so no bs about ETB shenanigans I believe
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 06:46:52 AM
Quote from: Kagain123 on August 27, 2013, 12:50:13 AM
Chroma it is. Check out the black creature. Now called devotion.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1307
yes! I called it
I also wondered about creatures being cast as auras. Woop! Woop!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 07:02:10 AM
I love the new set!!! Some of the cards in the Intro Packs actually look like they can be used!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 07:05:33 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 07:02:10 AM
I love the new set!!! Some of the cards in the Intro Packs actually look like they can be used!
{Yeva, natures herald} is useable and was in a intro pack
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 07:09:34 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 07:05:33 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 07:02:10 AM
I love the new set!!! Some of the cards in the Intro Packs actually look like they can be used!
{Yeva, natures herald} is useable and was in a intro pack

Yeah there are usually one or two cards that are used ({Krenko, Mod Boss}) but generally 60-80% of cards on the front of intro packs almost never see play in competitive standard.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 07:13:26 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 27, 2013, 07:10:37 AM
Also {Wolfir Silverheart}. The CMC of these creatures is pretty high, but that might not be a big deal if some ramp is printed, or Theros standard is a slower format, or both.
i hope it is a slower standard. DG said something about {demonic tutouring} a basic land so you don't miss your land drop, reminding me of the good old days, and I want to see that again
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 07:14:02 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 27, 2013, 07:10:37 AM
Also {Wolfir Silverheart}. The CMC of these creatures is pretty high, but that might not be a big deal if some ramp is printed, or Theros standard is a slower format, or both.

It is supposed to be slower, because right now it is too fast.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 08:31:56 AM
Give me thassa.. I mean wtf!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 08:31:56 AM
Give me thassa.. I mean wtf!
no elves in Theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 27, 2013, 10:15:55 AM
Why does blue get such bad creatures? (Ex: {Ætherling}) That blue kraken thing is junk.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 27, 2013, 10:15:55 AM
Why does blue get such bad creatures? (Ex: {Ætherling}) That blue kraken thing is junk.
three words: blue before mirridon
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on August 27, 2013, 10:41:23 AM
All I see are enchantments that have to do with creatures. So disapointing. I hoped that by enchantment block, it meant global enchantments. Ones that affect the game. Not creatures in the game. When I think of the phrase "let's build an enchantment deck", I think of a deck with almost no creatures (maybe {Academy Rector} or such). However if the trend keeps going, a real enchantment deck will be impossible because the enchantments they are printing are only good when combined with creatures.

On a happier note, here's something positive about theros, so far that I see. I am glad that they seems to be printing balanced cards, that slow the game down. The RTR block has been simply a whirlwind of power and well...perfect manabases, to say the least. When my life wasn't so busy (like 2 months or so ago), I used to run a 4 color deck (all but red) that was decent enough to satisfy the spike inside of me. It ran all 4 colors almost equally, green being the least needed, but still quie a few green cards.
4 color decks like that should not be viable in my opinion. It wasn't broken or anything. I went 3-2 withthe occasional 4-1. But I don't like it when it's possible to just toss all the good cards you see in a deck and just play it. All the lands might as well be rainbow.
And the color possibilities were just half the issues. The power level of decks is over the top. I want wizards to gradually print weaker and weaker cards, so we can get to the point where deck building requires more skill.
So that being said, I think wizards is going in the right direction, like with the "new" devotion keyword. It rewards players for well, devoting! I can see myself playing the new BBB enchantment and the new demon that makes 1/1 harpies upon etb. Oh, the synergy!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on August 27, 2013, 11:43:30 AM
I'm loving the Enchantment Creature type. Just one more card to fortify my Pillow Fort.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 27, 2013, 11:48:50 AM
I think if we see very powerful devotion cards we may see mono colored decks again, which I hope for because shocks are expensive
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 11:48:58 AM
The great thing about Bestow is that in many Pillow Fort decks you end up with enchantments but not creatures. Now you have both.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 08:31:56 AM
Give me thassa.. I mean wtf!
no elves in Theros

Huh, I know. I just really like her, thassa the god. Card is good. does anyone need a link to the spoilers page again?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 27, 2013, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 08:31:56 AM
Give me thassa.. I mean wtf!
no elves in Theros

Huh, I know. I just really like her, thassa the god. Card is good. does anyone need a link to the spoilers page again?

Id like it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 27, 2013, 05:57:45 PM
^
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on August 27, 2013, 06:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 27, 2013, 10:15:55 AM
Why does blue get such bad creatures? (Ex: {Ætherling}) That blue kraken thing is junk.
See my comment on Thassa, but also...Aetherling is amazing. I actually hate playing it because I think it's kinda unfair and OP (but I do still play it anyway, I have no scruples).

LOL with the exception of MacBeth I have never seen or heard the word "Scruples".
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on August 27, 2013, 07:38:34 PM
Quote from: Vyse link=topic=24392.msg243587#msg243587
A giant that brings fire to humans

Prometheus!!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Boringanarchy2 on August 27, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
Thassa might be good enough for modern. Fae and merfolk get a beater that fixes card draw.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Boringanarchy2 on August 27, 2013, 09:40:27 PM
I wonder how {{trait doctoring}} would work with devotion...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 27, 2013, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Boringanarchy2 on August 27, 2013, 09:40:27 PM
I wonder how {{trait doctoring}} would work with devotion...
It goes by mana symbols in Mana cost, {Trait Doctoring} changes a word in the rules text.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 28, 2013, 02:23:09 AM
Everytime I see the enchantment creatures, I think of {Keening Apparation}...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on August 28, 2013, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 28, 2013, 02:23:09 AM
Everytime I see the enchantment creatures, I think of {Keening Apparation}...

Truth. Keening will probably see more play once this hits. Everyone will be main decking enchantment hate.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 28, 2013, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: prayos on August 28, 2013, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 28, 2013, 02:23:09 AM
Everytime I see the enchantment creatures, I think of {Keening Apparation}...

Truth. Keening will probably see more play once this hits. Everyone will be main decking enchantment hate.
green will be awesome in Theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, that would suck...I drop my huge enchantment creature god! I sac my two drop...yours dies.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 28, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, that would suck...I drop my huge enchantment creature god! I sac my two drop...yours dies.
The gods are all likely indestructable.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 28, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, that would suck...I drop my huge enchantment creature god! I sac my two drop...yours dies.
The gods are all likely indestructable.

Wow, how did I miss that?!? Kaleo42 is right, if the blue god is indestructible than the rest probably are too.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 28, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 28, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, that would suck...I drop my huge enchantment creature god! I sac my two drop...yours dies.
The gods are all likely indestructable.

Wow, how did I miss that?!? Kaleo42 is right, if the blue god is indestructible than the rest probably are too.

They're gods after all, so they probably want to keep the flavor of them being "immortal" (well, except if Kratos pays them a visit)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 28, 2013, 03:32:04 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 28, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 28, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, that would suck...I drop my huge enchantment creature god! I sac my two drop...yours dies.
The gods are all likely indestructable.

Wow, how did I miss that?!? Kaleo42 is right, if the blue god is indestructible than the rest probably are too.

They're gods after all, so they probably want to keep the flavor of them being "immortal" (well, except if Kratos pays them a visit)
Or {Storm Crow}...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 28, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
Okay...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 28, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 28, 2013, 03:53:56 PM
Enough with the storm crow!  H has his own thread!  Leave him in his thread.  This is a theros thread.  Not a storm crow thread.  Stay on topic

End random rant.
Agreed. Spoiler threads really need to stay on topic, many users check just for new info. Same goes for te price thread.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: SFGiantsfan4LIFE on August 28, 2013, 04:21:13 PM
I'm curious on plainswalkers and lands
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on August 28, 2013, 04:34:40 PM
I'm excited for elspeth, I have yet to be dissapointed by an iteration of her, I think selesnya will love her
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 28, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 28, 2013, 03:32:04 PM
Quote from: Mizark on August 28, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 28, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, that would suck...I drop my huge enchantment creature god! I sac my two drop...yours dies.
The gods are all likely indestructable.

Wow, how did I miss that?!? Kaleo42 is right, if the blue god is indestructible than the rest probably are too.

They're gods after all, so they probably want to keep the flavor of them being "immortal" (well, except if Kratos pays them a visit)
Or {Storm Crow}...
It would be funny to see him reprinted... Actually would fit the flavor... Since crows were messenger birds of the gods...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 28, 2013, 10:36:44 PM
You know what would be cool? An artifact block and a enchantment block right next to each other. Though they probably won't do that
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 28, 2013, 10:38:38 PM
Yess!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 03:07:07 AM
well we have a {Magma Jet}, which is awesome because scry is awesome
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 29, 2013, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 03:07:07 AM
well we have a {Magma Jet}, which is awesome because scry is awesome

Yeah who needs {ponder} when you have scry!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: whitedrake on August 29, 2013, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 29, 2013, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 03:07:07 AM
well we have a {Magma Jet}, which is awesome because scry is awesome

Yeah who needs {ponder} when you have scry!

I wish for  {Serum Visions} return to standard...:)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Monrodesign on August 29, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
Any word on PW's?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
What's the difference between {Preordain} and {Serum Visions}. Three card advantage instead of 2.  But with one you get to choose what you draw...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on August 29, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
What's the difference between {Preordain} and {Serum Visions}. Three card advantage instead of 2.  But with one you get to choose what you draw...

What's the question? And look  {Preordain} is banned in Modern, {Serum Visions} is not. Preordain is just simply unreal and serum is simply good.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 11:39:26 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 29, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
What's the difference between {Preordain} and {Serum Visions}. Three card advantage instead of 2.  But with one you get to choose what you draw...

What's the question? And look  {Preordain} is banned in Modern, {Serum Visions} is not. Preordain is just simply unreal and serum is simply good.
Lol, thought so.  I love how it is a common... 

Why can't we have that reprinted???
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 30, 2013, 12:03:11 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 29, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
What's the difference between {Preordain} and {Serum Visions}. Three card advantage instead of 2.  But with one you get to choose what you draw...
There's big difference, namely the order! One you must draw first, the other you draw after the reordering of top cards. Preordain is my choice.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 30, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
You know why control is dead in modern.

{Preordain}, {Ponder}

Two amazing cards that are banned because they thought control is to powerful.  I think it is time to bring them back.  Along with JtMS (I wish)...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 30, 2013, 02:00:07 AM
{obzedat's aid} with bestow??
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 30, 2013, 07:29:23 AM
According to MTGSalvation, {Thoughtseize} is back!

Also: Green Legendary Artifact and Azorius Legendary Sphinx!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on August 30, 2013, 07:40:31 AM
That green bow looks sick... 5 abilities?? 1 continuous and 4 activated? definitely looks sick
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 30, 2013, 07:42:08 AM
Link please?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 30, 2013, 07:42:40 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 30, 2013, 07:42:08 AM
Link please?
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 30, 2013, 09:53:28 AM
And just when I didn't wanna play black
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Ragingtiger on August 30, 2013, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: Taysby on August 30, 2013, 07:46:33 AM
I'm gonna be going overboard on buying packs...
I'm buying a box for sure. Maybe 2.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 30, 2013, 10:45:47 AM
That Pegasus is going woop people's butts

Also how high is Tessa going to come out at?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on August 30, 2013, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 30, 2013, 07:29:23 AM
According to MTGSalvation, {Thoughtseize} is back!

Also: Green Legendary Artifact and Azorius Legendary Sphinx!
It was announced at PAX today!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 30, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
Man I wish I could see the set, so far I've only had confirmation to buy a case
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 30, 2013, 05:04:09 PM
Wait...  YES!!!!!!
Why is {Thoughtseize} still a rare according to salvation???
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: NyghtHawk on August 30, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
20 and 30 respectively
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 30, 2013, 09:16:27 PM
Check out {Reverent Hunter} and {Gift of Immortality}! More devotion and an amazing enchantment!!! http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7631
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 30, 2013, 09:28:30 PM
Do you guys think mono-green control will still be possible with {Yeva, natures herald} rotating out?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 30, 2013, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 30, 2013, 10:27:53 PM
Gift of immortality.  WTF WIZARDS!!!  Share the love with green!

And it's possible that Thoughtseize will go up, because that card in standard... W.T.F!
green has gotten a lot of good stuff lately anyway

Wow. It's symbiotic with detain
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 30, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
That green devotion is sick
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on August 30, 2013, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on August 30, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
That green devotion is sick

DEVOTION is sick!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 30, 2013, 10:59:56 PM
Devotion is pretty great and it was GENIUS to make it now that they are trying to go back towards mono color. {Kalonia Tusker} is going to get A LOT of play if green gets any more devotion.

Edit: I had an idea, was going through list of known info on MTGSalvation and it says "Humans make small offerings and tributes daily" which makes me think sacrificing decks might get some play...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 30, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
Mono-colors matter, enchantments and a small tribal thing. Looking like some fun so far. {Thoughtseize} was a nice touch, haven't seen much of anything I like from blue - but it's still early!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on August 31, 2013, 12:58:36 AM
If only Reverent Hunter had Reach to stay in the flavor of him being an Archer, oh well, still awesome anyway

I also like what they did with Medomai so that he can't attack in extra turns, so that there's no infinite loop or anything like that
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on August 31, 2013, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 30, 2013, 10:59:56 PM
Devotion is pretty great and it was GENIUS to make it now that they are trying to go back towards mono color. {Kalonia Tusker} is going to get A LOT of play if green gets any more devotion.

Edit: I had an idea, was going through list of known info on MTGSalvation and it says "Humans make small offerings and tributes daily" which makes me think sacrificing decks might get some play...

Good call, if the Green God is remotely playable Tusker will easily shoot up. It could easily hit $2-3. I went ahead and bought a bunch cheap!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 31, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Not to mention if one of the three plainswalkers Is a new really good green one
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 31, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
Apparently the saboteur power nine is {time walk} and it costs 6 CMC and has flying
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on August 31, 2013, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 31, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
Apparently the saboteur power nine is {time walk} and it costs 6 CMC and has flying
Linkies?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 31, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on August 31, 2013, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 31, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
Apparently the saboteur power nine is {time walk} and it costs 6 CMC and has flying
Linkies?
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/medomai-the-ageless/

http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 07:11:23 PM
{Medomai the Ageless}+{Aurelia the Warleader} maybe I can finally make that Boros/Azorius Deck.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 31, 2013, 07:30:14 PM
Your opponent would still get turns though. But it would be every third turn. Why not throw {strionic resonator} into that deck?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 31, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2013, 07:36:54 PM
Why not throw a {stronic resonator} into every single deck in existence?
It's best when you are winning anyways.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on August 31, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 31, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2013, 07:36:54 PM
Why not throw a {stronic resonator} into every single deck in existence?
It's best when you are winning anyways.
not neccicarily. With the right card/s, you can make a win with it
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 08:24:11 PM
Use it with {Biovisionary} and you could get two wins at once. :P (at least I think his ability is a triggered, its worded weird)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2013, 08:35:50 PM
Could you do that to win 2-0 after just one game?  I see a deck...  Mwah ha ha...
That was my reasoning on the use of it, but sadly no
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 09:54:10 PM
Check it out...two new cards in Theros: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html

{Akroan Crusader} looks sick! An awesome combo with {Young Pyromancer} and works well with {Precinct Captain} too!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 31, 2013, 10:14:24 PM
{Thoughtseize} at Rare puts it around {Mutavault} prices. {Snapcaster} was one of the rare "all format" staple card - that barely went over $20.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on August 31, 2013, 10:23:10 PM
I think thoughtsieze won't go below 25. Regardless of its role in standard, the fact remains that it is a 60 dollar multi-eternal format card, which already existed. Snapcaster is similar, but it didn't have a past. It didn't already exist at a price. Mutavault is similar; it was a reprint, yet existed on a lesser plane than thoughtsieze, pricewise. Thoughtsieze won't shed two thirds of its price because of a reprint. Just look at the shocks. They were reprinted in vast quantities, in three different sets! Yet they didn't shed two thirds of their price. Just a little more than half.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:24:27 PM
I love that land...  It really helps the monstrous mechanic, AND it pushes mono colored decks.  Green got their ramp land so...  {Elvish Mystic} has a friend.
Oh I play forest, {Elvish Mystic}
Then another forest and 3 more mystics.
Then you put in that land, and BOOM you have 8 {G} mana floating on turn 3...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 31, 2013, 10:27:57 PM
I can't think of a $25 rare in the NWO-era. Shocks nearly shed 2/3rds of their price. Some where going for $30-$40 before reprints, to as low as $7-$10. This is the wrong thread for this, but Wizards prints SOOOOO much more then they used to, prices are bound to fall.

{Mutavault} was also nearl $30-$40, lost more then half it's value in reprints.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bozo_Law on August 31, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
HOLY MOTHER********* READ THE BONES IS RETARTED HOLY FREAKING MOTHER*******
WOTC IS INSANE TO PRINT THIS WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO THEM HOLY CRAP
AND AT COMMON? THIS LIMITED FORMAT IS GONNA BE INSANE
DIVINATION ON CRACK AND STEROIDS
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:34:28 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on August 31, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
HOLY MOTHER********* READ THE BONES IS RETARTED HOLY FREAKING MOTHER*******
Lol, I love it.  Best draw we have had in awhile that is splash able.  Why is it that black has been getting this kind of card draw lately and not blue? 
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 31, 2013, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:34:28 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on August 31, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
HOLY MOTHER********* READ THE BONES IS RETARTED HOLY FREAKING MOTHER*******
Lol, I love it.  Best draw we have had in awhile that is splash able.  Why is it that black has been getting this kind of card draw lately and not blue?

Wizards wants to punish blue for something that happened 3 years ago. By slowly bleeding all of the cool things it does to other colors, removing functional counterspells and giving them gigantic creatures with barely any good abilities (save for {Ætherling})

Luckily I don't have to deal with any of it in EDH.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on August 31, 2013, 10:37:15 PM
I like elspeth
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on August 31, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
Thoughts on elspeth? I was hoping for better but I do like her first two abilities...the last...eh
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
Is there a flying subtheme in Theros like they did in M14???  Could be the reason for her last ability.

Something about fatty board wipe is really funny.  At first anyway, I read what dudecore said about blue and I see all these blue fatties.  Even more punishment.

Blue needs to bounce back sometime soon, with all the bleeding of cool blue stuff lately, they better give them a transfusion of controlling awesomeness soon...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on August 31, 2013, 10:43:46 PM
I just saw read the bones...I like this card a ton.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on August 31, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
HOLY MOTHER********* READ THE BONES IS RETARTED HOLY FREAKING MOTHER*******
WOTC IS INSANE TO PRINT THIS WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO THEM HOLY CRAP
AND AT COMMON? THIS LIMITED FORMAT IS GONNA BE INSANE
DIVINATION ON CRACK AND STEROIDS

I know! I had to shake my head and blink to make sure I saw it right. And it common!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on August 31, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
HOLY MOTHER********* READ THE BONES IS RETARTED HOLY FREAKING MOTHER*******
WOTC IS INSANE TO PRINT THIS WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO THEM HOLY CRAP
AND AT COMMON? THIS LIMITED FORMAT IS GONNA BE INSANE
DIVINATION ON CRACK AND STEROIDS

I know! I had to shake my head and blink to make sure I saw it right. And it common!?!?!?!
I didn't notice the rarity.  Even better, I'll get them with some ease. :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on August 31, 2013, 10:49:12 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
Is there a flying subtheme in Theros like they did in M14???  Could be the reason for her last ability.

Something about fatty board wipe is really funny.  At first anyway, I read what dudecore said about blue and I see all these blue fatties.  Even more punishment.

Blue needs to bounce back sometime soon, with all the bleeding of cool blue stuff lately, they better give them a transfusion of controlling awesomeness soon...

I don't know how many 6+ mana 4/4 - 6/6s at rare/mythic I can take. 88% of them are unplayable. Blue just stinks so far, and with the exception of {Delver of Secrets}, what was the last truly good blue card? Green, Red, Black have had 5 or 6 since then.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 10:50:05 PM
Elspeth is meh, at least a lot worse than I expected her to be. Though I LOVE {Read the Bones}, NEED {Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx} and wouldn't mind having some {Underworld Cerberus}s.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bozo_Law on August 31, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 10:50:05 PM
Elspeth is meh, at least a lot worse than I expected her to be. Though I LOVE {Read the Bones}, NEED {Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx} and wouldn't mind having some {Underworld Cerberus}s.
Nykthos is also seems insane.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 31, 2013, 10:49:12 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
Is there a flying subtheme in Theros like they did in M14???  Could be the reason for her last ability.

Something about fatty board wipe is really funny.  At first anyway, I read what dudecore said about blue and I see all these blue fatties.  Even more punishment.

Blue needs to bounce back sometime soon, with all the bleeding of cool blue stuff lately, they better give them a transfusion of controlling awesomeness soon...

I don't know how many 6+ mana 4/4 - 6/6s at rare/mythic I can take. 88% of them are unplayable. Blue just stinks so far, and with the exception of {Delver of Secrets}, what was the last truly good blue card? Green, Red, Black have had 5 or 6 since then.
ONLY 88%?!?  I thought that would be a higher percentage.  We had {Snapcaster Mage} though.  So far the only tolerable blue card is either {Turn the Tides} (If it says return nonland permanent, if not, I don't like it} and Thassa.  I tolerate it due to the fact that it at least HAS a blue ability of scry 1 each upkeep, other then that, I dunno.

I hate all these "attack me and see what happens AFTERWARDS" abilities.  The Azouris sphynx had it, and we hate him.  Teysa has it, and she isn't getting played.  (many reasons for that but still), I hate these...

I will play a mono green Monstrosity deck due to the legendary land, or a mono black control.  Two cards for the second reasoning, find them (it won't be that hard...)

I'm sorry for the bad spelling, I'm am tired...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 11:02:32 PM
mono black control.  Two cards for the second reasoning, find them (it won't be that hard...)

I'm sorry for the bad spelling, I'm am tired...

I can't guess.........:P
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 11:12:59 PM
Looking at MaRo's Twitter announcement for Elspeth which was "Theros needs a hero" and someone replied "Theros needs a cheaper hero :("
https://twitter.com/maro254/status/374004193385648128/photo/1
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on August 31, 2013, 11:15:40 PM
And they said this set was for new players lolz
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 11:21:25 PM
Holy .poo....check out Chained to the Rocks!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on August 31, 2013, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 11:21:25 PM
Holy .poo....check out Chained to the Rocks!!!!
If your opponent hits you with {street sweeper} they get there creature back though
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on August 31, 2013, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 31, 2013, 11:21:25 PM
Holy .poo....check out Chained to the Rocks!!!!
If your opponent hits you with {street sweeper} they get there creature back though

I honestly have never seen a Street Sweeper played.

Edit: And.........we have a green god.
Edit 2: And......a crappy hammer.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on August 31, 2013, 11:52:19 PM
Will goyf still be printed in a block set since it was in modern masters, the futuresight cards were from the future so is it no longer in the future?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on August 31, 2013, 11:55:45 PM
I prefer Nylia's Bow the Nylia herself...

LAND DESTRUCTION MIGHT BECOME A THING!!!!

Probably not, but we still have it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 01, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
Alright! After seeing just these spoilers, I just preordered two boxes of Theros. So I know I at least have two {Sylvan Caryatid}s! WOOP WOOP!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 01, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 01, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
Alright! After seeing just these spoilers, I just preordered two boxes of Theros. So I know I at least have two {Sylvan Caryatid}s! WOOP WOOP!

Where is the spoiler for sylvan carayid
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 01, 2013, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 01, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 01, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
Alright! After seeing just these spoilers, I just preordered two boxes of Theros. So I know I at least have two {Sylvan Caryatid}s! WOOP WOOP!

Where is the spoiler for sylvan carayid
No spoiler yet, but most of the places I've read hypothesise that Caryatids could be a 5 colour cycle, one in each colour. But still, no actual spoiler, yet many speculations. It is definite that it'll be a Defender considering what the actual meaning of a caryatid is (a statue/effigy pillar or column I tribute to a female god from Ancient Greece).
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 01, 2013, 12:50:06 AM
I love nylea...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 01, 2013, 01:56:23 AM
*GASP* reanimator will still be playable!

We have {dread return} for keeping stuff, {obzedat's aid} for the main reanimator + enchantments, and {rescue from the underworld} AT INSTANT SPEED for some pretty good reanimating.. {Mortus strider} may actually have a use. I will gladly play it if it means reanimate a fatty.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: gtfotis on September 01, 2013, 10:05:23 AM
That {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}.. 😍
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 01, 2013, 10:24:17 AM
RG aggro is still gonna be a thing...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 01, 2013, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Taysby on August 31, 2013, 09:26:56 PM
Splash some black for things like {doom blade} to kill your own {fagtusk} get a 3/3, it comes back, gain 5, repeat.
rescue from the underworld would be great with {thragtusk}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 01, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
As for read the bones. I think there trying o give control a leg up
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 01, 2013, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on September 01, 2013, 10:40:33 AM
Here's hoping the White god is playable; my Fort deck could use some White devotion love XD
is there such thing as green pillow?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 01, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
I don't understand why Thassa is much more than nylea.... I think nylea is a game ender but Thassa just let's you scry and make things unblockable. And blue don't have big scary creatures for that ability. I wouldn't mind playing a blue green deck in theros because both of those have pretty good synergy
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 01, 2013, 11:57:54 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on September 01, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
I don't understand why Thassa is much more than nylea.... I think nylea is a game ender but Thassa just let's you scry and make things unblockable. And blue don't have big scary creatures for that ability. I wouldn't mind playing a blue green deck in theros because both of those have pretty good synergy
Referring back to what dudecore said, blue is getting all these big creatures.  Have you ever scryed each turn before you draw, it is good.  Putting that on a 5/5 body is pretty good.  Giving that 5/5 industructability is great.  And then it has ANOTHER ability.
It isn't blue style cool I like, but I can't help but say he is amazing.  Nylia however is a 6/6 industructable for more then Thassa, and although she give your creatures trample, her other ability is bad.  Maybe with that land it becomes spammable, but it is over costed to dumb it down.  Besides, how many big creatures are you gonna have that will benefit from trample in that early game.

I love her bow because, imagine a world where you tokens get deathtouch...  Selesniya got scarier just now didn't it. :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on September 01, 2013, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 01, 2013, 10:24:17 AM
RG aggro is still gonna be a thing...

Naya is still going to be overpowered. Legion loyalist and the green bow equipment equals first strike deathtouch all day. Overpowered much? Akroan crusader and that other guy with vigilance first strike. Hyper Agro still going to be around
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on September 01, 2013, 05:26:48 PM
Art for the satyr planeswalker  Xenagos
http://instagram.com/p/du2TZxlqB_/

Daxos
http://instagram.com/p/du3Ee_FqDk/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 01, 2013, 05:36:24 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 01, 2013, 05:30:18 PM
What duh fuh is up with daxos?  That can't be real.

Announced by wotc tho
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 01, 2013, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 01, 2013, 05:36:24 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 01, 2013, 05:30:18 PM
What duh fuh is up with daxos?  That can't be real.

Announced by wotc tho
looks good for control
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 01, 2013, 05:46:44 PM
This set is insane....I like it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
I want a playset of daxos. Wtf
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 01, 2013, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
I want a playset of daxos. Wtf
👆👆👆👆👆👆
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 01, 2013, 06:15:55 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on September 01, 2013, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
I want a playset of daxos. Wtf
👆👆👆👆👆👆
Can I have 2 playsets???
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
2 more cards. I want to hear everyones opinion on the new blue sorcery, "curse of swine"
XUU
Exile x target creatures. For each creature exiled this way that players controller puts 2/2 green boar creature token into play
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 01, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
2 more cards. I want to hear everyones opinion on the new blue sorcery, "curse of swine"
XUU
Exile x target creatures. For each creature exiled this way that players controller puts 2/2 green boar creature token into play
.....
{Illness in the Ranks}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 01, 2013, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 01, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
2 more cards. I want to hear everyones opinion on the new blue sorcery, "curse of swine"
XUU
Exile x target creatures. For each creature exiled this way that players controller puts 2/2 green boar creature token into play
.....
{Illness in the Ranks}
lol that would be awesome
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 01, 2013, 06:42:13 PM
New satyr planeswalker..... Hmm black red or black green
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 01, 2013, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 01, 2013, 06:51:49 PM
How bout witches eye?  That card seems good.
I don't think so...  Maybe you put it on a wall that blocks, then scrys at. The end of the turn???

I dunno...  I think Thassa does it better.

I love how there are a lot of exiling cards in this set because all the gods are industructable.

Now we can get rid of that pesky Tajic. ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 01, 2013, 08:03:19 PM
EVERYTHING in Theros seems OP... Just about... Maybe I'll get a box.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 01, 2013, 08:09:47 PM
I want that to show up so I can preorder a set or two...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bozo_Law on September 01, 2013, 11:10:33 PM
One of the dudes at my LGS bought four of the FTV: 20 and four Theros boxes ($175 bundle my store is doing for 1 of each). I ENVY THIS PERSON.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 01, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Getting a case of theros. Whatever colors I don't play are going in the binder. I was thinking bant. But now I'm really looking at esper/or just azorious
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 01, 2013, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on September 01, 2013, 11:10:33 PM
One of the dudes at my LGS bought four of the FTV: 20 and four Theros boxes ($175 bundle my store is doing for 1 of each). I ENVY THIS PERSON.

I wish my LGS had that, I would probably do that! You could easily sell some of the FTV and still make money, just the JTMS is going to $130!

Edit: They reprinted {Smite the Monstrous} but added a scry 1 and bumped up the Mana cost by {2}

Edit2: New white god, iffy but playable.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 12:30:10 AM
Anyone else laugh at One Hundred Handed One? It's card art is awesome but it's ability to block an additional 99 attackers just made me laugh.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 12:42:03 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 12:30:10 AM
Anyone else laugh at One Hundred Handed One? It's card art is awesome but it's ability to block an additional 99 attackers just made me laugh.

Just saw it and yes, I laughed my ass off. Had to spell it out so you know I meant it. Sad part is, as long as your opponent's creatures don't have trample, it has applications

Edit: Gray Merchant of Asphodel and Karametra's Acolyte are nice!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 12:45:15 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 12:42:03 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 12:30:10 AM
Anyone else laugh at One Hundred Handed One? It's card art is awesome but it's ability to block an additional 99 attackers just made me laugh.

Just saw it and yes, I laughed my ass off. Had to spell it out so you know I meant it. Sad part is, as long as your opponent's creatures don't have trample, it has applications

I know lol if they have trample it kinda sucks. But if it doesn't and you make him a) have regenerate or b) indestructible. He's ******* awesome
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 02, 2013, 03:45:34 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/

Just to save people back tracking pages to find the link, can we remember to post a link to any new cards we mention.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 02, 2013, 07:10:37 AM
So I'm looking at the card {gift of immortality}.   Want to make sure I've got this right for removal purposes.

"When enchanted creature dies, return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. Return Gift of Immortality to the battlefield attached to that creature at the beginning of the next end step."

So say in combat creature dies goes to graveyard w/ enchantment. End of combat/damage phase, creature returns to battlefield. Then 2nd main phase. Creature could then be targeted with a removal spell, and go into graveyard. And then @ end step gift of immortality has no valid target and fizzles out.

Am I correct on this from card text?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
Was {witches eye} inspired by the fates?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vindog on September 02, 2013, 10:59:25 AM
Does anyone think  {Tidebinder Mage} will see more play with thassa and this new devotion stuff ?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 02, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
{Thoughtseize} {underworld cerberus} {magma jet} and even {omenspeaker to replace {auger of bolas}!!! My grixis ks going to pown post rotation, now i only wizards would replace {think twice} for the control people who cant run {azorius charm}...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I just realized...{trait doctring} really screws with devotion. I'm thinking it will soon see play
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I just realized...{trait doctring} really screws with devotion. I'm thinking it will soon see play

Slightly, only if you were to target a permanent with Devotion and change it to a color a deck isn't running. Ex. Target Heliod and say it has Devotion to black. I think the best application would be against that crazy Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx. It could shut down that land.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I just realized...{trait doctring} really screws with devotion. I'm thinking it will soon see play

Slightly, only if you were to target a permanent with Devotion and change it to a color a deck isn't running. Ex. Target Heliod and say it has Devotion to black. I think the best application would be against that crazy Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx. It could shut down that land.
how much do you think that land will be?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Ace on September 02, 2013, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I just realized...{trait doctring} really screws with devotion. I'm thinking it will soon see play

Slightly, only if you were to target a permanent with Devotion and change it to a color a deck isn't running. Ex. Target Heliod and say it has Devotion to black. I think the best application would be against that crazy Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx. It could shut down that land.
how much do you think that land will be?

Initially it will reorder for about 15, then shoot up to about 25-30 because of hype and people wanting to play with it, then after a month or so it will most likely settle at around 20. That's my guess.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: Ace on September 02, 2013, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I just realized...{trait doctring} really screws with devotion. I'm thinking it will soon see play

Slightly, only if you were to target a permanent with Devotion and change it to a color a deck isn't running. Ex. Target Heliod and say it has Devotion to black. I think the best application would be against that crazy Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx. It could shut down that land.
how much do you think that land will be?

Initially it will reorder for about 15, then shoot up to about 25-30 because of hype and people wanting to play with it, then after a month or so it will most likely settle at around 20. That's my guess.

Yeah, that's what I estimate although magic is weird. I have a question about whether it will see any eternal play, I am going to go the Price thread though.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on September 02, 2013, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
Was {witches eye} inspired by the fates?
Most definitely

Witch Decks anyone??? I know at least person who will try it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 02, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
Wish I had more hands to punch all these 5+ mana creatures with 5+ monstrous costs on them.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 02, 2013, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 02, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
Wish I had more hands to punch all these 5+ mana creatures with 5+ monstrous costs on them.
Yeah, at least it slightly slows down the game.

Except for green.  Anybody seen the {G}{3} creature that says, {T}: add any amount of {G} mana up to the amount of devotion you have to {G}...

A few things...
{Omnath, Locus of Mana} doesn't need to have more speed, and power in EDH.  It is an already targeted card in EDH, we don't need to pinpoint him.

And standard will consist of boros hyper aggro, heavy ramp green monstrosity, maybe BU control, and Izzet aggro, due to that new card that says each time you scry, this card gains +2/+0...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 01:34:14 PM
Green is definitely looking strong and I have no doubts it will benefit from Devotion the most.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 02, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
I dont care to because im too buisy bashing face with {thoughtseize} in my grixis along with new Auger of bolas and a ton of scry spells to make control awesome.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 02, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
Wish I had more hands to punch all these 5+ mana creatures with 5+ monstrous costs on them.
i think the devotion land helps with monstrous
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
i was thinking more like innistrad duals, but this works too
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
i was thinking more like innistrad duals, but this works too

I don't know what you mean, could you give me an example of what it might look like?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 02, 2013, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
i was thinking more like innistrad duals, but this works too

Maybe {T}: add (colour 1) to your mana pool.
{T}, colour 1: Add (colour two) to your mana pool equal to your devotion to that colour.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
i was thinking more like innistrad duals, but this works too

I don't know what you mean, could you give me an example of what it might look like?
{sulfur falls} except replace the text "control land type] to [devotion to color]
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
Like

CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped if you don't have any devotion to green or white

{T}: add {G} or {W} to your mana pool
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
i was thinking more like innistrad duals, but this works too

I don't know what you mean, could you give me an example of what it might look like?
{sulfur falls} except replace the text "control land type] to [devotion to color]

so it comes into play tapped unless you have a devotion to a color?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
I bet the dual lands are devotion lands and you have to have a devotion in one color or another

Like:

[CARDNAME]

Land

{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to blue is less than 2.

{T}: Add {B} to your mana pool. You can't activate this ability if your devotion to black is less than 2.
i was thinking more like innistrad duals, but this works too

I don't know what you mean, could you give me an example of what it might look like?
{sulfur falls} except replace the text "control land type] to [devotion to color]

so it comes into play tapped unless you have a devotion to a color?
a devotion to a color that it would add to your mana pool. See the post above this one that I quoted
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:17:22 PM
An they could make each one a temple. Like

Temple to Athena

CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped if you have no devotion to white or blue

{T}: add {W} or {U} to your mana pool
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:17:22 PM
An they could make each one a temple. Like

Temple to Athena

CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped if you have no devotion to white or blue

{T}: add {W} or {U} to your mana pool

I really really really like this idea. I wouldn't be surprised if this (or something similar was the actual one)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on September 02, 2013, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 04:17:22 PM
An they could make each one a temple. Like

Temple to Athena

CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped if you have no devotion to white or blue

{T}: add {W} or {U} to your mana pool

I really really really like this idea. I wouldn't be surprised if this (or something similar was the actual one)

This is worse than buddy lands, and they said that they don't want multicolor to be too op so tjis could happen.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 05:25:55 PM
I think journey to Nyx is all enchantment creatures, because MaRo said in his article, that's where enchantment creatures come from
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 02, 2013, 07:07:59 PM
Devotion lands would suck for control decks, theyve already made agro op why not give us fixing too!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 02, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/nyx/index.html

Ajani in theros?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 02, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/nyx/index.html

Ajani in theros?

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 07:28:04 PM
Oh wow!! That's awesome. Think that it'll be a new Ajani or a reprint?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 07:28:04 PM
Oh wow!! That's awesome. Think that it'll be a new Ajani or a reprint?

Its almost always (or maybe even always) a new one when its in a block.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
True then I can't wait! He will probably be RW bc I doubt they'd have 2 monowhite Planeswalkers in the same block.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 07:34:02 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
True then I can't wait! He will probably be RW bc I doubt they'd have 2 monowhite Planeswalkers in the same block.

Possibly but that wouldn't fit with his story line (him being enraged (being RW) then calming down and going white)...but then again WotC can do whatever they want.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 08:35:25 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 07:34:02 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
True then I can't wait! He will probably be RW bc I doubt they'd have 2 monowhite Planeswalkers in the same block.

Possibly but that wouldn't fit with his story line (him being enraged (being RW) then calming down and going white)...but then again WotC can do whatever they want.

Idk about storylines. But I'm just thinking why would they have 2 monowhite PWs unless they have 2 PWs of every colour which would be a tad too much lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 02, 2013, 09:09:22 PM
Hells yes for new Ajani...

but on the other hand...

C'mon WotC!!! Give some new storyline focal characters! Introduce some new blood!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 02, 2013, 09:09:22 PM
Hells yes for new Ajani...

but on the other hand...

C'mon WotC!!! Give some new storyline focal characters! Introduce some new blood!!!

So true lol or at least bring back some older PWs (idk storywise) but I'd like to see another Tezzeret or Tibalt or really any PW with 1 form. I'm not sick of Jaces and Ajani's but Id like them to create some fresher ones. Like when standard has more than one of a PW Name like JMA and JAoT you know it's time to introduce a different PW
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
In hi article today. MaRo said he wanted to do a different set besides Theros, yet it was shot down because they "didn't have enough resources."
Given that MaRo is trying to fit Barry's land into the game...I think he was trying to introduce a new color...

What do you guys think about a new color?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
In hi article today. MaRo said he wanted to do a different set besides Theros, yet it was shot down because they "didn't have enough resources."
Given that MaRo is trying to fit Barry's land into the game...I think he was trying to introduce a new color...

What do you guys think about a new color?

Interesting but only if it didn't last more than one block.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
I heard rumors about a color yellow that took elements from red and blue and used cities as lands back around time spiral. I'm guessing fight was the element from red they were taking...also, MaRo did shift around the color pie. Possibly making room for a new color?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 02, 2013, 10:26:09 PM
Maybe ajani in in journey into nyx but he is definitly on the plane of theros or else they wouldnt have him in the picture
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 02, 2013, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
I heard rumors about a color yellow that took elements from red and blue and used cities as lands back around time spiral. I'm guessing fight was the element from red they were taking...also, MaRo did shift around the color pie. Possibly making room for a new color?

Hmm... Sounds okay, but maybe it should pull elements from ALL colours?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 02, 2013, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
I heard rumors about a color yellow that took elements from red and blue and used cities as lands back around time spiral. I'm guessing fight was the element from red they were taking...also, MaRo did shift around the color pie. Possibly making room for a new color?

Hmm... Sounds okay, but maybe it should pull elements from ALL colours?
well, we haven't seen many pingers in a while, so maybe pingers were planned in the new color?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
What's a pinger
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 02, 2013, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
In hi article today. MaRo said he wanted to do a different set besides Theros, yet it was shot down because they "didn't have enough resources."
Given that MaRo is trying to fit Barry's land into the game...I think he was trying to introduce a new color...

What do you guys think about a new color?
Ever since about '98 there has been rumblings of Purple and MaRo has spoken on it a few times on his Tumblr page and in his column (tooooooo long ago to find links). I remember him distinctly saying that no matter what Colour he'd like to integrate, there's none that could solidly identify themselves separately from the existing five.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 02, 2013, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 02, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
In hi article today. MaRo said he wanted to do a different set besides Theros, yet it was shot down because they "didn't have enough resources."
Given that MaRo is trying to fit Barry's land into the game...I think he was trying to introduce a new color...

What do you guys think about a new color?
Ever since about '98 there has been rumblings of Purple and MaRo has spoken on it a few times on his Tumblr page and in his column (tooooooo long ago to find links). I remember him distinctly saying that no matter what Colour he'd like to integrate, there's none that could solidly identify themselves separately from the existing five.

Yeah but can't you see another Future Sight or Un-set including some weird new color or at least some color variations. Speaking of Future Sight, I would LOVE  another version of it. I might buy a case if that happened.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
I was just on Blogatog and saw that Monstrous is meant to be an overlapping mechanic from the RTR Block, because of Evolve and Scavenge. Another interesting point was brought up on Blogatog, the Gods could be commanders even though they aren't always creatures. It was also hinted that Mono-black might be a legitimate deck type again!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 02, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
What's a pinger
These are pingers

{Gelectrode}
{Prodigal Pyromancer}
{Goblin Sharpshooter}
{Cunning Sparkmage}
{Izzet Staticaster} was rather recent though
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 02, 2013, 11:38:29 PM
There are going to be minor two-color gods in the sets following Theros (Journey into Nyx and Born of Gods)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 12:36:36 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/

Just for ease.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 03, 2013, 01:14:26 AM
4 new cards up
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 01:18:13 AM
Pyxis of Pandemonium looks fun! Would fit well it red chaos decks, that Total Madness EDH deck of Gorzo's would have a home for it...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 03, 2013, 01:27:17 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 01:18:13 AM
Pyxis of Pandemonium

Pandora's box?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 01:27:58 AM
Master of Waves is also another example of smart, flavorful card creation!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Ace on September 03, 2013, 02:11:38 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 01:27:58 AM
Master of Waves is also another example of smart, flavorful card creation!!!

Care to explain why? Cuz to me it just looks blah.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 02, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
What's a pinger
These are pingers

{Gelectrode}
{Prodigal Pyromancer}
{Goblin Sharpshooter}
{Cunning Sparkmage}
{Izzet Staticaster} was rather recent though

Come on how can you miss  {Prodigal Sorcerer}. The original!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 03:36:12 AM
Quote from: Ace on September 03, 2013, 02:11:38 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 01:27:58 AM
Master of Waves is also another example of smart, flavorful card creation!!!
Care to explain why? Cuz to me it just looks blah.
Well its just clever flavour and non OP card mechanics due to the concept of when this guy appears by your side on the battle field, he turns the tidal wave he arrived on into an entourage of angry little 2/1s, of which can be enchanted just like any other creature to become bigger and angrier.He hangs back and let's his water sprites do the dirty work but the moment he dies, the magic keeping his sprites alive die with him (unless enchanted by someone's magic).

In my opinion, he's a stroke of flavour genius. He may seem meh with all those permanent token gens out there, but in terms of flavour and not being OP, this guy deserves mythic in my opinion.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 03, 2013, 04:23:25 AM
I will just laugh when someone throws out {Master Biomancer} turn three, then Master Waves....

GENIUS
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 02, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
What's a pinger
These are pingers

{Gelectrode}
{Prodigal Pyromancer}
{Goblin Sharpshooter}
{Cunning Sparkmage}
{Izzet Staticaster} was rather recent though

Come on how can you miss  {Prodigal Sorcerer}. The original!
Bc I've never heard of it lol. I wouldn't run it either.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on September 03, 2013, 08:20:45 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 02, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
What's a pinger
These are pingers

{Gelectrode}
{Prodigal Pyromancer}
{Goblin Sharpshooter}
{Cunning Sparkmage}
{Izzet Staticaster} was rather recent though

Come on how can you miss  {Prodigal Sorcerer}. The original!
Bc I've never heard of it lol. I wouldn't run it either.

TIMMY!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:29:02 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 02, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 02, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
What's a pinger
These are pingers

{Gelectrode}
{Prodigal Pyromancer}
{Goblin Sharpshooter}
{Cunning Sparkmage}
{Izzet Staticaster} was rather recent though

Come on how can you miss  {Prodigal Sorcerer}. The original!
Bc I've never heard of it lol. I wouldn't run it either.
are you insane? Damage in blue is unheard of
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
My ping deck is straight forward. Blue for counterspells and things like {electrolyze} and {gelectrode}. Red for the rest of the pingers and burn dmg. I wouldn't need a blue pinger. I don't even use prodigal and staticaster bc they are unneeded. The blue pinger is exactly the same as prodigal pyromancer and neither make the cut. Cunning makes the cut bc of haste.

I digress. Back on topic shall we?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
My ping deck is straight forward. Blue for counterspells and things like {electrolyze} and {gelectrode}. Red for the rest of the pingers and burn dmg. I wouldn't need a blue pinger. I don't even use prodigal and staticaster bc they are unneeded. The blue pinger is exactly the same as prodigal pyromancer and neither make the cut. Cunning makes the cut bc of haste.

I digress. Back on topic shall we?

Back on topic...
Don't think anyone asked what was in your ping deck.. Someone asked what pingers were.. You responded with some, then I responded with one you forgot, the first pinger.. All the way back in I believe alpha..
That is all
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 09:55:38 AM
I was trying to let birdbrain know why I wouldn't run it since he asked if I was insane
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 03, 2013, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
My ping deck is straight forward. Blue for counterspells and things like {electrolyze} and {gelectrode}. Red for the rest of the pingers and burn dmg. I wouldn't need a blue pinger. I don't even use prodigal and staticaster bc they are unneeded. The blue pinger is exactly the same as prodigal pyromancer and neither make the cut. Cunning makes the cut bc of haste.

I digress. Back on topic shall we?

Back on topic...
Don't think anyone asked what was in your ping deck.. Someone asked what pingers were.. You responded with some, then I responded with one you forgot, the first pinger.. All the way back in I believe alpha..
That is all
There was also  {Rod of Ruin}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 10:04:30 AM
Does anyone know how many planeswalkers are supposed to be in this first block of theros?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 10:06:34 AM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 10:04:30 AM
Does anyone know how many planeswalkers are supposed to be in this first block of theros?
three
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 11:07:00 AM
How come nobody has pointed out that {Night Howler} is OP, us a Green/Black with {Commune the Gods} and some other stuff from RTR to get things in the library. Also this is like the first realistic Bestow cost. Plus it works great with the Bow, giving everything Deathtouch.
How do people feel about the Pandemonium? Seems it would work well for a Garruk Big Creature deck and really suck for a control deck (because Snappy is gone!). I might sideboard it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 11:21:08 AM
Nighthowl is an interesting card.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 03, 2013, 11:29:33 AM
It was Planar Chaos, and the color Purple. Between blue and Black.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/386

It's unlikely to ever happen. Barry's Land is dead for now, made it as far as Conflux and became {Reliquary Tower}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 03, 2013, 11:34:34 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 03, 2013, 11:21:08 AM
Nighthowl is an interesting card.

I love the card art on it.

Oh and the ability is pretty cool
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 11:41:41 AM
I hope that the Theros lands are at least decent enough to support three color when paired with the RTR Lands. I would love a BUG deck for this set. {Nighthowler}, {Consuming Aberration}...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 01:05:40 PM
Starcitygames has started Preordering for Theros, Thoughseize starts at $30
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 03, 2013, 02:39:23 PM
Just preordered my playsets of bow of nylia and hammer of porphoros from trollandtoad... SCG doesn't have bow on preorder yet...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
The pandemonium card could be really awesome in an ETB trigger deck
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
The pandemonium card could be really awesome in an ETB trigger deck

Too bad {Craterhoof Behemoth} is going out.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 03, 2013, 09:06:41 PM
You can not look at face down cards unless it says so, but I will double check before the card is playable.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:11:05 PM
{T}: Each player exiles the top card of his or her library face down.
{7}, {T}, Sacrifice Pyxis of Pandemonium: Each player turns face up all cards he or she owns exiled with Pyxis of Pandemonium, then puts all permanent cards among them onto the battlefield.

You can't look but can still include lots of cards with ETB abilities to increase your chances like {Sylvan Primordial}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 03, 2013, 09:12:09 PM
Box: ordered.
PreRelease: signed up for.
Hype: over the moon.

Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:17:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 03, 2013, 09:12:09 PM
Box: ordered.
PreRelease: signed up for.
Hype: over the moon.

Box: only getting a Fat Pack, spending $200 on an EDH deck and couldn't justify getting both
PreRelease: been trying for the last two weeks but shop owner has been horrible about being there when he is supposed to lately
Hype: meh, I have a feeling I will be disappointed :(

Also, I don't like how the art is so close up on the creature or whatever and doesn't show the environment like how the Ravnica art showed the beautiful landscapes in the backgrounds of the art.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:11:05 PM
{T}: Each player exiles the top card of his or her library face down.
{7}, {T}, Sacrifice Pyxis of Pandemonium: Each player turns face up all cards he or she owns exiled with Pyxis of Pandemonium, then puts all permanent cards among them onto the battlefield.

You can't look but can still include lots of cards with ETB abilities to increase your chances like {Sylvan Primordial}
scry. Also other things that put stuff ontop like {brain storm}...dang. {brainstorm} is very Johnny
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 03, 2013, 09:24:34 PM
M class is full of Greek mythology nerds who also play magic (including me), what can I say?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:17:59 PM
Also, I don't like how the art is so close up on the creature or whatever and doesn't show the environment like how the Ravnica art showed the beautiful landscapes in the backgrounds of the art.
That is actually a very good point! However, just playing Devil's Advocate (as I like to do regularly as a mod to spur on conversation), we have only seen a handful of cards thus far and the plane of Ravnica's aesthetic IS the landscape (or lack there of, as it were). I think Theros' aesthetic is the magic of te land created by the religious faith of it's inhabitants, or Devotion. So looking at it from that perspective, it makes sense we have a close focal point in the artwork.

BUT I do want to see more landscape still! See MtG's take on the Mediterranean terrain and architecture.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:11:05 PM
{T}: Each player exiles the top card of his or her library face down.
{7}, {T}, Sacrifice Pyxis of Pandemonium: Each player turns face up all cards he or she owns exiled with Pyxis of Pandemonium, then puts all permanent cards among them onto the battlefield.

You can't look but can still include lots of cards with ETB abilities to increase your chances like {Sylvan Primordial}
scry. Also other things that put stuff ontop like {brain storm}...dang. {brainstorm} is very Johnny
{congregate at dawn}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:31:17 PM
I want to build a pandora a box deck now
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
Scry. Also other things that put stuff ontop like {brain storm}...dang. {brainstorm} is very Johnny
Oh good pick Birdbrain! The subtle synergy is starting to appear in the spoilers! I'm disappointed in myself I didn't pick on that too!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 03, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
Scry. Also other things that put stuff ontop like {brain storm}...dang. {brainstorm} is very Johnny
Oh good pick Birdbrain! The subtle synergy is starting to appear in the spoilers! I'm disappointed in myself I didn't pick on that too!
im getting most excited about this card now. I must be a Johnny, lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 03, 2013, 09:36:15 PM
I really want more spoilers so I can figure out what kind of deck I want to run!!! Right now I am stuck between {G}{U}{B} or {B}{G} graveyard stuff and {W}{U}{R}, {W}{U} or {W}{R} midrange. It all depends on the dual lands and what comes out in the new colors.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Taysby on September 04, 2013, 12:03:37 AM
Yah, right when I was decided on mono green for the next while, {Thoughtseize} was spoiled and I wanted to run something controlish.  Then some good red stuff was spoiled and I really considered running red.  Then daxos and that sphinx were spoiled and I wanted to run blue white.  Grah!!!  What to run!?!?!?

5 colour aggro, midrange, and control DUH!! Isn't that what everyone is doing?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Byerley121 on September 04, 2013, 12:27:10 AM
I am playing esper post rotation but blue white should be good. As for Daxis(however it's spelled) is only good when attacking so I feel it's gotta be a conservative play because his affect is great but if he's not attacking it's only a 2/2 for 3. As for elsbeth I think she'll receive less credit then she deserves and it will take time to get people to warm up to her. I haven't liked most of the gods but I feel Sam black will come up with some funky combo with our purphoros. I fell like 4/5 color fun stuff could be a deck that comes out of this set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
As a Gruul player I love it but WotC just printed  {Domri Rade} and now we get another PW?!! Like I'm thrilled but idk don't you think that it should have been different colour combinations to overtake Theros? Like maybe BR as like a dark evil trying to Rule the plane.

Or am I crazy? (Which is very possible)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 04, 2013, 12:36:06 AM
XENAGOS IS DUMB
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 12:36:24 AM
Is Xenagos, the Reveler OP or what?! http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
I think now I am going to run a G/R Fatties deck
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:37:17 AM
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1233339_524832300932971_1504662743_n.jpg)

Say hello to Domri's new BFF.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 04, 2013, 12:38:13 AM
Gruul, i hate you. This guy, with the ramp land, will definitely give monsters a chance in a midrange battle. I think we will see longer duels with this set, and i hope so too!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:45:42 AM
Play a bunch of 1 drops like  {Legion Loyalist}  {Elvish Mystic} etc and then BOOM crazy amount of mana from his +1!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 04, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
R/G Midrange FTW
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 05:13:55 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:37:17 AM
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1233339_524832300932971_1504662743_n.jpg)

Say hello to Domri's new BFF.
Ok, everyone pack up, go home. Magic is broken.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on September 04, 2013, 05:22:27 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 05:13:55 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:37:17 AM
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1233339_524832300932971_1504662743_n.jpg)

Say hello to Domri's new BFF.
Ok, everyone pack up, go home. Magic is broken.

How. How is this a real, 4-cost card. How. How...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on September 04, 2013, 05:31:35 AM
Xenagos looks pretty decent..lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: IntoFire on September 04, 2013, 05:37:46 AM
IMO,{Gray Merchant of Asphodel} is one on the best cards in the set.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 04, 2013, 05:42:16 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 04, 2013, 05:22:27 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 05:13:55 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:37:17 AM
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1233339_524832300932971_1504662743_n.jpg)

Say hello to Domri's new BFF.
Ok, everyone pack up, go home. Magic is broken.

How. How is this a real, 4-cost card. How. How...
{beck//call} now has some interesting applications
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 04, 2013, 06:30:34 AM
I can has blue white ajani now? Combats this tyranny plox
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 06:45:21 AM
All I know... Im going to watching websites very closely so I can preorder my playset of the new dragon...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on September 04, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
There's going to be some brave peeps out there not playing RGx
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on September 04, 2013, 09:15:29 AM
Lots of aggro out now
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 04, 2013, 09:22:10 AM
2 RG Planeswalkers is pretty wack. Jund is still going to be a thing.

Flavor wise that totally misses also.
Satyr's are Red/Green ✔
They make fast mana❌
They make tokens❌
They help you cast creatures❌

They are mischievous, or at very least vague about what they want. D- on flavor, D- on having 2 RG walkers in Standard, and A+ for Commander players getting their third RG walker.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 04, 2013, 09:22:10 AM
2 RG Planeswalkers is pretty wack. Jund is still going to be a thing.

Flavor wise that totally misses also.
Satyr's are Red/Green ✔
They make fast mana❌
They make tokens❌
They help you cast creatures❌

They are mischievous, or at very least vague about what they want. D- on flavor, D- on having 2 RG walkers in Standard, and A+ for Commander players getting their third RG walker.
Hear hear!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 04, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Im going to have to dissagree with DC on the flavor principle with Xenagos. The 2CMC satyr and the flavor text on the RG {naturalize}+{shock} defined Theros satyr as communial and mana flaring ({infernal plunge} type effect) creatures. It's only natural they have someone who excels at combining these traits, also should one awaken the spark in any race they always develope a more refined version of their race's traits.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 10:49:26 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 04, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Im going to have to dissagree with DC on the flavor principle with Xenagos. The 2CMC satyr and the flavor text on the RG {naturalize}+{shock} defined Theros satyr as communial and mana flaring ({infernal plunge} type effect) creatures. It's only natural they have someone who excels at combining these traits, also should one awaken the spark they develope a more refined version of these traits.
(http://carteblanchehobbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/destructive-revelry.jpg?w=660)
Flavor text from Destructive Revelry:
"Stoke a fire hot enough and you'll never run out of things to burn."
-Xenagos, the Reveler
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 11:30:26 AM
What set is that card from buddy? I can't make out the symbol.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 11:30:26 AM
What set is that card from buddy? I can't make out the symbol.

Its from Theros, but its the symbol from the duel decks. I posted it because Kaleo was talking about it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
Also, don't forget satyr hedonist. He's like a tinder wall, cept more mana produced
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
Also, don't forget satyr hedonist. He's like a tinder wall, cept more mana produced
Good point, he fits well with Xenagos' flavor:
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/cb/c6/cbc625b6021454b0337177b8a8945ad2.jpg?itok=xm2FjDwH)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
Also, don't forget satyr hedonist. He's like a tinder wall, cept more mana produced
Good point, he fits well with Xenagos' flavor:
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/cb/c6/cbc625b6021454b0337177b8a8945ad2.jpg?itok=xm2FjDwH)
I also like the flavor text... Reminds me of some of my college days...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:27:35 PM
Will there be a Dork in Theros? I want my  {Arbor Elf} back!!! I need Red Mana sometimes and play testing with  {Elvish Mystic} it just doesn't cut it sometimes.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:27:35 PM
Will there be a Dork in Theros? I want my  {Arbor Elf} back!!! I need Red Mana sometimes and play testing with  {Elvish Mystic} it just doesn't cut it sometimes.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1309_9_ob0l906feh.jpg)

So hello to the beefy BoP. Yes, he costs {1} more than {Birds of Paradise}, but he's got quite a bit more survivability than the BoP.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:27:35 PM
Will there be a Dork in Theros? I want my  {Arbor Elf} back!!! I need Red Mana sometimes and play testing with  {Elvish Mystic} it just doesn't cut it sometimes.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1309_9_ob0l906feh.jpg)

So hello to the beefy BoP. Yes, he costs {1} more than {Birds of Paradise}, but he's got quite a bit more survivability than the BoP.

That's McDonalds!.................I'm lovin' it!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on September 04, 2013, 01:14:58 PM
 {Utopia Tree} but a bit better
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bookmeister on September 04, 2013, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 12:27:35 PM
Will there be a Dork in Theros? I want my  {Arbor Elf} back!!! I need Red Mana sometimes and play testing with  {Elvish Mystic} it just doesn't cut it sometimes.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1309_9_ob0l906feh.jpg)

So hello to the beefy BoP. Yes, he costs {1} more than {Birds of Paradise}, but he's got quite a bit more survivability than the BoP.

Play this with {Axebane Guardian}!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 04, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
Why are Satyr's making mana? I don't understand the flavor. They're carefree (red) and adapt to nature at all costs (green) but what is the idea of then creating rituals?

I get Cerebus - that was a flavor homerun and some of the best I can remember in a long time. Master of Tides I understand - that was another fantastic one.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 02:29:00 PM
I meant for like 1 drop dorks oh well
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 04, 2013, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 04, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
Why are Satyr's making mana? I don't understand the flavor. They're carefree (red) and adapt to nature at all costs (green) but what is the idea of then creating rituals?

I get Cerebus - that was a flavor homerun and some of the best I can remember in a long time. Master of Tides I understand - that was another fantastic one.
The mana for this plane seems more based in ispiration than other planes. The satyr could stoke the mana itself with their carefree nature and cause it to flare up and grow almost in celebration with them. Their joyous effects are not restricted to sentient beings.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 04, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on September 04, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
There's going to be some brave peeps out there not playing RGx
i love green. But this is too much. I'm going to go {W}{U} control at the prerelease
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on September 04, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 04, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on September 04, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
There's going to be some brave peeps out there not playing RGx
i love green. But this is too much. I'm going to go {W}{U} control at the prerelease

I really like the w/u legendaries I see here for commander. {Daxos of Meletis} in particular looks like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 04, 2013, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 04, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
Why are Satyr's making mana? I don't understand the flavor. They're carefree (red) and adapt to nature at all costs (green) but what is the idea of then creating rituals?

I get Cerebus - that was a flavor homerun and some of the best I can remember in a long time. Master of Tides I understand - that was another fantastic one.
The mana for this plane seems more based in ispiration than other planes. The satyr could stoke the mana itself with their carefree nature and cause it to flare up and grow almost in celebration with them. Their joyous effects are not restricted to sentient beings.

Satyrs, by playing their Pan pipes during celebrations, can cause things to grow. So this growth can translate into mana, which fits the flavor...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
The land art looks amazing!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rass on September 04, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Sorry if I missed it but how many cards in theis set
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: lotrwk on September 04, 2013, 06:30:09 PM
249
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 04, 2013, 06:49:44 PM
{blustersqual} does not work with heroic
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I doubt that the mana base will be good enough (unless you run a playset of {Chromatic Lantern}s) also Satrys seem to be mostly {G}{R}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I doubt that the mana base will be good enough (unless you run a playset of {Chromatic Lantern}s) also Satrys seem to be mostly {G}{R}

I was joking...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 04, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I doubt that the mana base will be good enough (unless you run a playset of {Chromatic Lantern}s) also Satrys seem to be mostly {G}{R}

I was joking...
Oh.....good! I wasn't sure because I know some people who would try.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 04, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
In regards to the two cerebus cards spoiled, why did they name one two-headed cerebus? In Greek mythology it was called Orthos...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.
Daaang. I'm getting karma negged for the randomist things..
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 04, 2013, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I always WANTED a pro tour deck!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 04, 2013, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I always WANTED a pro tour deck!!!!
See! Now I have won you like $600,000,000!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 04, 2013, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 04, 2013, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I always WANTED a pro tour deck!!!!
See! Now I have won you like $600,000,000!

+1 for being a genius. Thank you for changing my life!!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 04, 2013, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 04, 2013, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 04, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Next big standard deck:
{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} combo satyrs.

You saw it here first.

I always WANTED a pro tour deck!!!!
See! Now I have won you like $600,000,000!

+1 for being a genius. Thank you for changing my life!!!!!
+1 for messing around with me!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 04, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
I will just need more saytrs...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mizark on September 04, 2013, 11:35:19 PM
I'm just curious in the fact that they didn't reveal anything from Erebos yet

I wonder why
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 04, 2013, 11:36:28 PM
I want to see the dual lands!!! When will they be released?!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on September 04, 2013, 11:49:18 PM
We also haven't seen the promised 3rd planeswalker.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on September 05, 2013, 12:15:07 AM
3rd Planeswalker http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/pr/263
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 05, 2013, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on September 05, 2013, 12:15:07 AM
3rd Planeswalker http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/pr/263
hey look at that.  BU control, here i come :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Silent1236 on September 05, 2013, 12:24:22 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on September 05, 2013, 12:15:07 AM
3rd Planeswalker http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/pr/263

Mmm, dat .poo. ultimate. Seriously, that's a "first two abilities only" PW IMO. Not too bad though. Not as broken as the {R}{G} one, though. Since, you know, those colors need more power in standard right now 😒
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 12:32:12 AM
Ya the ultimate is meh. BUT the 1st two are great. It's like Nephalia DY In a PW but then again PWs are quite easy to deal with. But still the -X ability can be great especially if you can keep him alive for long enough. You can steal there big threat and just punish those pesky Aggro players.

That being said I know it's only 1BU but vs. aggro don't control players want something to protect them like mana open for {Doom Blade} or something? But idk I've never really played control
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 05, 2013, 12:38:52 AM
HAH!! Erebos is DUMB
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 05, 2013, 12:39:42 AM
I like his speculation on a certain counterspell that shall become better...
{Essence Scatter} anybody.  Without that {cavern of souls} bothering us anymore, this could help.  Speaking of counterspells, did anyone see the blue one that only counters blue spells.  I lol'd because of its stupidity. 
Also, his deck confused me slightly.  Ashnod's (Whatever her name is) effect states cards exiled with her can be used for her second ability.  But his deck was full of other cards that exiled his stuff.  hmm...

anyway, it goes in my {Mimeoplasm} EDH anyway.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 05, 2013, 01:11:14 AM
I wonder if I should preorder the new Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver now at $25, or risk it going up. I don't think it's amazing, but I don't want it to skyrocket like {Liliana of the Veil}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 05, 2013, 01:22:40 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 05, 2013, 01:11:14 AM
I wonder if I should preorder the new Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver now at $25, or risk it going up. I don't think it's amazing, but I don't want it to skyrocket like {Liliana of the Veil}

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ashioknightmareweaver.jpg)


Its a 3 mana plains walker with no real downsides other than no protecting itself. The fact it goes straight to 5 is great, and then keeps a decent amount of control over the opponent's resources. It's not like Liliana's sacrifice, but you have other cards for that. My guess is it will fit quite well with those Dimir or Grixis control decks giving you the power cards from your opponents deck when you need them or just straight out denying them.

I'd say get your playset before they go up. The amount of early control and power you have from this card will be amazing.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ashioknightmareweaver.jpg)

I'm in love!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mothaelon on September 05, 2013, 01:55:32 AM
So does anyone else see the R/B zombie as extremely powerful as a two drop?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Johng4490 on September 05, 2013, 01:58:22 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ashioknightmareweaver.jpg)

I'm in love!
#Preordered
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 02:20:55 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Its official, I prefer Topdown!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 03:05:27 AM
Quote from: Mothaelon on September 05, 2013, 01:55:32 AM
So does anyone else see the R/B zombie as extremely powerful as a two drop?
Comander for edh!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 05, 2013, 03:23:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 05:13:55 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:37:17 AM
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1233339_524832300932971_1504662743_n.jpg)

Say hello to Domri's new BFF.
Ok, everyone pack up, go home. Magic is broken.


So if you go to YouTube and watch the Theros trailer... At the end of the trailer you see the face of Xenagos.... 

Heliod is talking about how elspeth will save theros from the ____ that would steal it from him... And you see Xenagos fade in and out.  So it looks like he's got a pretty big part in block.

Also look at journey to nix teaser art.. http://www.mythicspoiler.com/nyx/index.html
Could that be Xenagos too?
Does he become like a sarkhan vol and become mad? Maybe 2 different Xenagos in block?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 05, 2013, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 05, 2013, 03:23:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 05:13:55 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 04, 2013, 12:37:17 AM
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1233339_524832300932971_1504662743_n.jpg)

Say hello to Domri's new BFF.
Ok, everyone pack up, go home. Magic is broken.


He becomes the big bad god


So if you go to YouTube and watch the Theros trailer... At the end of the trailer you see the face of Xenagos.... 

Heliod is talking about how elspeth will save theros from the ____ that would steal it from him... And you see Xenagos fade in and out.  So it looks like he's got a pretty big part in block.

Also look at journey to nix teaser art.. http://www.mythicspoiler.com/nyx/index.html
Could that be Xenagos too?
Does he become like a sarkhan vol and become mad? Maybe 2 different Xenagos in block?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 07:12:04 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ashioknightmareweaver.jpg)

I'm in love!

YES.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on September 05, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 07:12:04 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ashioknightmareweaver.jpg)

I'm in love!

YES.

Here's my question about Ashiok. I have one on the field. I ult her, causing her to go to the graveyard. If I play another one, can I still play the cards that were exiled with the previous Ashiok?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 05, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 07:12:04 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ashioknightmareweaver.jpg)

I'm in love!

YES.

Here's my question about Ashiok. I have one on the field. I ult her, causing her to go to the graveyard. If I play another one, can I still play the cards that were exiled with the previous Ashiok?
Nope, it's a new card. Same way reanimating a creature with a cipher on it won't come back with the cipher.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 05, 2013, 09:36:17 AM
What spikepit said. For a ruling on a card with a similar effect see the rulings on {nightveil spectre}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2013, 09:54:02 AM
Set...y u so gud...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
One thing I like about this set is control is getting just as much love as aggro
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Millionlittlee on September 05, 2013, 10:39:43 AM
Y no scry with bonfire
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 05, 2013, 01:11:47 PM
I'm going to miss {bruna, light of alabaster}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on September 05, 2013, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2013, 09:54:02 AM
Set...y u so gud...

^^^
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 02:32:19 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 05, 2013, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2013, 09:54:02 AM
Set...y u so gud...

^^^
maybe all sets are this good. It's just they aren't this open about it
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on September 05, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
This set seems to have a lot of options for various builds.

This set has something for everyone while still adding new wrinkles to the game. I like that it appears super collectible.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 05:22:53 PM
New {searing spear}!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
*Sobs*... No mill...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 05, 2013, 05:26:54 PM
Fleecemane lion and arbor colossus seem like solid additions and will run great.if you can't afford voices
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
*Sobs*... No mill...
Um defender ramp {mind grind} is very viable.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 05:27:59 PM
I meant, in the spoilers so far.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 05, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
-sideboards {loxodon smiter} for {thought seize}
I think i like {fleecemane lion}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 05, 2013, 05:35:33 PM
I'm either playing bug Jund or naya in theros....
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 05:38:05 PM
I LOVE the new walker, he ruins scrying, destroys hands and graveyards and can help you cast their stuff but there is nothing else {U}{B} spoiled yet so I don't know...If the lands are good enough for three color I wouldn't mind an Esper control but Wizards hates us so they are not spoiling them!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?
I don't think they'd have it rotate out and in of standard in the same minute...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
Is bestow even worth using?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?
I don't think they'd have it rotate out and in of standard in the same minute...

In a way they do though. That lightning strike is THE EXACT SAME CARD (minus the name and flavour text)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 06:49:28 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?
I don't think they'd have it rotate out and in of standard in the same minute...


In a way they do though. That lightning strike is THE EXACT SAME CARD (minus the name and flavour text)
I know, but wouldn't it be confusing if searing spear outlived like all the other m13 cards?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:50:20 PM
I guess, but now I need a playset of lightning str.... OHHHH NOW I SEE lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 07:00:09 PM
Yeah, I'm getting a play set for my mono red burn casual deck. Now with 3 vexing devils, 3 guttersnipes, 4 lightning bolts, 4 searing spears, and four lightning strikes, among other things.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 07:11:56 PM
Don't forget  {Burning Earth}!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 07:12:07 PM
It is often that core set cards recieve functional reprints in blocks. This often helps to maintain flavor and allows for a breif period of doubling up on effects such as we had with {evolving wilds} and {terramorphic expanse} during zendikar.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
Is bestow even worth using?

Ummm, YES!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 07:12:07 PM
It is often that core set cards recieve functional reprints in blocks. This often helps to maintain flavor and allows for a breif period of doubling up on effects such as we had with {evolving wilds} and {terramorphic expanse} during zendikar.
though isn't {searing spear} rotating out?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?
I don't think they'd have it rotate out and in of standard in the same minute...

In a way they do though. That lightning strike is THE EXACT SAME CARD (minus the name and flavour text)

I am just going to use my promo Spears and if anyone tells me I can't I'll explain it to them. If the complain after that I will either smack them or switch them out with the stupid Lightning crap.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 05, 2013, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?
I don't think they'd have it rotate out and in of standard in the same minute...

In a way they do though. That lightning strike is THE EXACT SAME CARD (minus the name and flavour text)

I am just going to use my promo Spears and if anyone tells me I can't I'll explain it to them. If the complain after that I will either smack them or switch them out with the stupid Lightning crap.

Smack them.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 07:12:07 PM
It is often that core set cards recieve functional reprints in blocks. This often helps to maintain flavor and allows for a breif period of doubling up on effects such as we had with {evolving wilds} and {terramorphic expanse} during zendikar.
though isn't {searing spear} rotating out?
Yes but now they can come back in M15 or 16 and we will have both.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
Hahaha So I just spent $50 and did quite a bit of trading to make my {W}{B} Lifegain deck and it can just be shut down with a 4 drop and a couple of black permanents...why do you hate me Wizards!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 05, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
Is bestow even worth using?

Ummm, YES!

.... Very few of the cards are worth it for the cmc

There is where I think you are wrong. Do you realize that when the enchanted creature dies the aura becomes a creature and stays on the battlefield?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
{Fleecemane Lion}, want a Playset!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/TJPqPlV.jpg)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 08:12:27 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 05, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
Is bestow even worth using?

Ummm, YES!

.... Very few of the cards are worth it for the cmc

There is where I think you are wrong. Do you realize that when the enchanted creature dies the aura becomes a creature and stays on the battlefield?
I have to side against it. We havent seen any bestow (except nighthowler) with their cmc as both a creature and enchantment. Sure the can be awesome in sealed and edh but in standrad that is just way too slow. You can do so much more with that mana.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2013, 08:12:27 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 05, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Bookmeister on September 05, 2013, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
Is bestow even worth using?

Ummm, YES!

.... Very few of the cards are worth it for the cmc

There is where I think you are wrong. Do you realize that when the enchanted creature dies the aura becomes a creature and stays on the battlefield?
I have to side against it. We havent seen any bestow (except nighthowler) with their cmc as both a creature and enchantment. Sure the can be awesome in sealed and edh but in standrad that is just way too slow. You can do so much more with that mana.
^^^ Agree completely

Wizards think that making one slower set slows down the meta to the point where bestow is actually useable but I am still running my Boros Aggro after rotation. {Clifftop Retreat} and {Vexing Devils} are the only thing the deck is losing (now that {Seaing Spear} functionally reprinted)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on September 05, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Theros trailor

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oNewZZPKH-U&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoNewZZPKH-U
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is AMAZING!!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7698
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 05, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is AMAZING!!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7698

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/prophetofkruphix.jpg)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
It's awesome bc you cast it. And then pass turn. And ass you pass turn all your stuff untaps so it is {3}{U}{G} but you can still do stuff on their turn. And you're playing Blue so you probably have some card draw or something to do.

Also might work well with  {Omnath, Locus of Mana} as you can just keep tapping away and doing it on both turns!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:57:53 PM
Just ordered some on Ebay
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
{Fleecemane Lion}, want a Playset!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/TJPqPlV.jpg)

Ebaying at $34 for a playset.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 05, 2013, 09:46:56 PM
What's the chances of

Enchant creature
Enchanted creatures gets a +3/+3 and becomes monstrous.

When enchanted creature becomes monstrous tap up to 3 target permenants you don't control. (Or some other monstrous ability)

I think this would fit well with Heroic
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 05, 2013, 09:58:17 PM
We got artifact enchantments. God creature enchants. And bestow enchant creatures. Can we get some legendary auras or something.. plz..
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 09:59:35 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 05, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is AMAZING!!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7698

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/prophetofkruphix.jpg)
wow. Control is really getting some love in this set
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 09:59:35 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 05, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is AMAZING!!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7698

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/prophetofkruphix.jpg)
wow. Control is really getting some love in this set
Screw control, this is going in my simic creatures casual deck!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 05, 2013, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 05, 2013, 09:59:35 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 05, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 05, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is AMAZING!!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html#7698

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/prophetofkruphix.jpg)
wow. Control is really getting some love in this set
Screw control, this is going in my simic creatures casual deck!
ok. Yea it does have a lot of uses. But it's a nerfed {seedborn muse} that give creatures flash.

The muse is a control/combo card
And flash is a control mechanic through an through
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on September 05, 2013, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 05, 2013, 09:46:56 PM
What's the chances of

Enchant creature
Enchanted creatures gets a +3/+3 and becomes monstrous.

When enchanted creature becomes monstrous tap up to 3 target permenants you don't control. (Or some other monstrous ability)

I think this would fit well with Heroic

I don't think they will make something like, because flavorwise not every creature is monstrous.

However, if they did, I feel like to make it work, it would have to be associated with a lesser evil god that just wanted to cause chaos on the plane.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mothaelon on September 05, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
{Tymaret} is still my vote for strongest card revealed so far. It's two colors are black and red, two of the arguably strongest colors right now in standard. Then, with the amount of token and cheap creatures red produces to be able to reanimate it or burn out your opponent with only 2 mana? Come on. Stupid strong.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 05, 2013, 11:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 05, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
I don't understand. Why don't they just reprint  {Searing Spear}?

From Mark Rosewater: "it's a card so basic, that having two different names to better match the world is not a bad thing. It also allowed us to have a flavorful {lightning bolt} without having to print a card we currently do not want to print."
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 05, 2013, 11:47:38 PM
Also another card for edh/singleton decks.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
Five new lands go go go
They all come into play tapped but they let you scry 1, rare duals

Www.mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on September 06, 2013, 12:14:01 AM
Five of the ten dual lands. The scry lands http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/263
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 06, 2013, 12:23:40 AM
So what colors are you guys choosing at the PreRe?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 12:27:12 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 06, 2013, 12:23:40 AM
So what colors are you guys choosing at the PreRe?

Depends on which plainswalker I pull lolololol.

Uh is it like that isnt it a diff kinda game this time?

I think red.black or green red
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 06, 2013, 12:44:37 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 12:27:12 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 06, 2013, 12:23:40 AM
So what colors are you guys choosing at the PreRe?

Depends on which plainswalker I pull lolololol.

Uh is it like that isnt it a diff kinda game this time?

I think red.black or green red
I mean for the entry. In RtR block you chose a guild, in this you choose a single color.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 12:48:44 AM
Oh do you get more cards of color.choice. if so white
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 06, 2013, 01:16:10 AM
I will either play black, or green.  I have variety, and although I love control, it is fun to play aggro from times just for fun.
maybe I'll try out white if I have the chance.  Still more cards to be spoiled though. :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 06, 2013, 01:22:18 AM
Opinions on Scry lands

Temple of Abandon

ToA enters Tapped

When ToA etb Scry 1

{T}: add {R} or {G}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Would love to see the spear or some white devotion
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 06, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
The dual lands are just Guildgates that give you a scry 1.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 07:13:25 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 06, 2013, 12:23:40 AM
So what colors are you guys choosing at the PreRe?
either white, or blue, or green
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 06, 2013, 07:14:59 AM
Naya looks OWSHUM to me...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Bookmeister on September 06, 2013, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 06, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
The dual lands are just Guildgates that give you a scry 1.

Which makes them better than the gates.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 07:46:47 AM
Quote from: Bookmeister on September 06, 2013, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 06, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
The dual lands are just Guildgates that give you a scry 1.

Which makes them better than the gates.
yes. I actually think you could pull them off in a competitive deck
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 07:49:12 AM
Think we'll only get the 5 or will we see more this set?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 06, 2013, 08:14:17 AM
I think we will see them all.. 
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 08:43:02 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 06, 2013, 08:14:17 AM
I think we will see them all..
or maybe we'll see them all...in ANOTHER DIMENSION!!!! Ooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on September 06, 2013, 08:45:52 AM
Per the article we only get these 5 right now:

Since we knew we would have all ten in the block, we went ahead right away and commissioned all ten pieces of art, which let us hold off on the decision on which duals to include in Theros until we'd had time to playtest Standard. We tried all the allieds, all of the enemies, and a few random mashups. Tom LaPille made a strong argument, though, that the previous year in Standard had extra time with the Return to Ravnica shocklands, and that the Gatecrash color pairs could use some extra time in the spotlight, so that is the model we went with. This left us with five more for the rest of the block. What will the order be for their release? You'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 06, 2013, 09:41:06 AM
So the prerelease I think I'm playing at least 2 individual and 1 2hg match.  So far looking at w,u,g...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.
on the up side of the mana base. flavor wise, it really felt like ravnica was in a frenzy to accomplish something
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 06, 2013, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.
Reminds me of when I first started playing... Had the original duals, they rotated. Then the ice age pain lands, they rotated. Then the enemy color tap pain lands... Just have to work your mana base
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Monrodesign on September 06, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.

They shouldn't be rare. Uncommon at best.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 06, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Monrodesign on September 06, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.

They shouldn't be rare. Uncommon at best.

Agreed
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 06, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Monrodesign on September 06, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.

They shouldn't be rare. Uncommon at best.

Agreed
they may be better than you think. At least try them first
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Ace on September 06, 2013, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 06, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Monrodesign on September 06, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 06, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
New duals are disappointing to say the least, but we've been playing with such a greedy mana base it's hard to remember all the years of not-so-good dual lands.

They shouldn't be rare. Uncommon at best.

Agreed
they may be better than you think. At least try them first

While I do agree that they should not be rare, I do however think that they r good. They r basically giving u a free scry, which if u have ever used scry u know that one scry can save your life. I like the new lands but am really annoyed they used 5 rare slots for them, they should be uncommon.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 06, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
Scry 2... Thats what they needed to say. Scry is exponentially better when it is greater than 1. One card can sometimes send away nonrelevant cards but is usually just "look at top card" because the chance of getting something worse is too high. When you scry >1 you are make an informed and impactful descision about your next draw instead of leaving it almost entirely ro chance. 
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on September 06, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
Haven't been keeping up on any of this. Anyone have a link to a compilation of spoiled cards? I'm assuming Salvation, but I'm lazy. Link would be appreciated, or I'll get around to it eventually.

Nvm, overcame myself. Here you go guys: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on September 06, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
Woah... This set is weird...

I like a lot of these cards though! The duals are interesting.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: gtfotis on September 06, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
I hope I don't regret preordering a play set of Daxos for 9 bucks :c
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 04:48:23 PM
has anyone else noticed that the dual lands they spoiled so far were the same colors that were in gatecrash?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 06, 2013, 05:29:31 PM
How considerate.. no no.. no I need my alled colors darn it!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 06, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 06, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
Scry 2... Thats what they needed to say. Scry is exponentially better when it is greater than 1. One card can sometimes send away nonrelevant cards but is usually just "look at top card" because the chance of getting something worse is too high. When you scry >1 you are make an informed and impactful descision about your next draw instead of leaving it almost entirely ro chance.
I agree. These lands do not deserve a rare slot just because they are guildgates with scry 1 ducttaped onto them. However these lands will no doubt see play. Not because they are good, but just because they are strictly better than the guildgates. They will be a 2-3 colored deck's only option.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: gtfotis on September 06, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 06, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on September 06, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
I hope I don't regret preordering a play set of Daxos for 9 bucks :c

He's 9 now? I got mine at $4 a pop
Nice, I got -1 for paying more than you haha
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 06, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 06, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 06, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 06, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
Scry 2... Thats what they needed to say. Scry is exponentially better when it is greater than 1. One card can sometimes send away nonrelevant cards but is usually just "look at top card" because the chance of getting something worse is too high. When you scry >1 you are make an informed and impactful descision about your next draw instead of leaving it almost entirely ro chance.
I agree. These lands do not deserve a rare slot just because they are guildgates with scry 1 ducttaped onto them. However these lands will no doubt see play. Not because they are good, but just because they are strictly better than the guildgates. They will be a 2-3 colored deck's only option.

I don't know if the scry is actually enough to make them better than guild gates. At least guild gates have tutors and other cards that interact with them, these just look at your top card. :/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 06, 2013, 08:15:57 PM
I've been a fan of scry since  {Halimar Depths}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 06, 2013, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Wally on September 06, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 06, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 06, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
Scry 2... Thats what they needed to say. Scry is exponentially better when it is greater than 1. One card can sometimes send away nonrelevant cards but is usually just "look at top card" because the chance of getting something worse is too high. When you scry >1 you are make an informed and impactful descision about your next draw instead of leaving it almost entirely ro chance.
I agree. These lands do not deserve a rare slot just because they are guildgates with scry 1 ducttaped onto them. However these lands will no doubt see play. Not because they are good, but just because they are strictly better than the guildgates. They will be a 2-3 colored deck's only option.

I don't know if the scry is actually enough to make them better than guild gates. At least guild gates have tutors and other cards that interact with them, these just look at your top card. :/

Because the gatekeepers are great cards to run because gate decks are ruling standard. If there is something that interacts with gates i'd say its crap because no gate cards are playable ever EVER E V E R Never ever ever ever run guildgates unless you absolutley have too
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 06, 2013, 08:32:44 PM
Unless you run Rakdos  {Geralf's Messenger} don't run gates lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 06, 2013, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on September 06, 2013, 08:34:46 PM
Really? Guildgates are sweet, though they haven't been necessary with the core duals. We run shocks that we often have come in tapped anyway. I totally 100% believe {Maze's End} is going to pop up somewhere. The scry lands are AMAZING I think. I'm only annoyed that everybody's getting them, because I'm a greedy blue mage :)

If you have a {steam vents} and a {izzet guildgate} which will you run?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 06, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on September 06, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Just trying to keep one on every page for ease of perusal.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 06, 2013, 09:06:08 PM
Is it just me or is {reaper of the wild} pretty sick? Maybe it's bc I'm currently making a BG deck, but either way I like it. 4/5 with 4cmc and 3 abilities? Yes please.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 06, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Ok. I know what I'm running at the prerelease. White, because I want to build a heroic aura pillow deck

With {ajani's chosen} as my bomb in the deck
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: gtfotis on September 07, 2013, 03:30:42 AM
Quote from: Potticus on September 06, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on September 06, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 06, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on September 06, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
I hope I don't regret preordering a play set of Daxos for 9 bucks :c

He's 9 now? I got mine at $4 a pop
Nice, I got -1 for paying more than you haha

I got -1 for paying less than you o.O
+1 for paying less than me!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: gtfotis on September 07, 2013, 03:33:00 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 06, 2013, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on September 06, 2013, 08:34:46 PM
Really? Guildgates are sweet, though they haven't been necessary with the core duals. We run shocks that we often have come in tapped anyway. I totally 100% believe {Maze's End} is going to pop up somewhere. The scry lands are AMAZING I think. I'm only annoyed that everybody's getting them, because I'm a greedy blue mage :)

If you have a {steam vents} and a {izzet guildgate} which will you run?
Depending on what I need or have, probably drop the guild gate first if I don't have a 1 drop so I can shock myself next turn for a 2 drop.. Everything is situational!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 07, 2013, 11:40:35 AM
I may just be too tired for cognitive ability, but why is Kragmar Warcaller part {B}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 07, 2013, 12:05:00 PM
I just realized...with the new enchantment creatures...pillow fort can go almost entirely creatures if it wants to
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on September 07, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on September 06, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 07, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Check out a {B}{U} card, {Psychic Intrusion}! Another card for my Esper Exile deck!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 07, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 07, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Check out a {B}{U} card, {Psychic Intrusion}! Another card for my Esper Exile deck!

You'll be dead by the time you cast it. And when you cast it on T5 my board will be developed enough to kill you for your T5 sorcery that does nothing to the boardstate
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 07, 2013, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 07, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 07, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Check out a {B}{U} card, {Psychic Intrusion}! Another card for my Esper Exile deck!

You'll be dead by the time you cast it. And when you cast it on T5 my board will be developed enough to kill you for your T5 sorcery that does nothing to the boardstate

I'm actually going to be using the deck as a casual deck. I was going to make it a standard deck but I decided to make it casual and throw in {Path to Exile}s and {Swords to Plowshares}. Also if the meta slows down as promised (big IF and won't happen until after RTR block leaves) it might be viable in standard when used with enough removal and/or mill in an Esper Control.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 07, 2013, 08:16:31 PM
It says graveyard. So you could put it in a mill deck. Mill there best cards, then have a free-for-all with there graveyard. Not really, though you get my point
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 07, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
Why aren't people going crazy for Erebos?!? For four she's only a indestructible, a banned card ({Greed}) that costs {1} more for the ability, prevents your opponents from gaining life and if you can get 5 {B}'s on the battlefield you get a 5/7 indestructible creature. She should be worth more than Purphos and Thassa and has the potential to become a commander playable card even if you don't use the devotion part of it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 02:13:27 AM
What do you think (flava wise) of (what I call the stab in the back cards) like Gainsay: 1{U} Counter target BLUE spell or Glare of Heresay 1{W} exile target WHITE permanent, etc.

I think they're really cool bc it's like how there is always corruption and backstabbing.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on September 08, 2013, 02:18:13 AM
Does anyone think  {Oath of the Ancient Wood} will see a lot of play now?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 02:24:52 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on September 08, 2013, 02:18:13 AM
Does anyone think  {Oath of the Ancient Wood} will see a lot of play now?

One could make a case for it but who really knows until all the cards are spoiled
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 08, 2013, 07:35:05 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
Yup
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 08, 2013, 08:33:48 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 02:13:27 AM
What do you think (flava wise) of (what I call the stab in the back cards) like Gainsay: 1{U} Counter target BLUE spell or Glare of Heresay 1{W} exile target WHITE permanent, etc.

I think they're really cool bc it's like how there is always corruption and backstabbing.

What do you guys think?
there cool except I don't think there are many corrupt white cards...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on September 08, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 07, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
Why aren't people going crazy for Erebos?!? For four she's only a indestructible, a banned card ({Greed}) that costs {1} more for the ability, prevents your opponents from gaining life and if you can get 5 {B}'s on the battlefield you get a 5/7 indestructible creature. She should be worth more than Purphos and Thassa and has the potential to become a commander playable card even if you don't use the devotion part of it.

Oh we're crazy about it all right but no one on here seems to care too much for it. This is going to be a must in any esper deck and there will be a few.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on September 08, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
I'm more curious at its flavor text, as it mentions keranos, another god that we have yet to hear from. Maybe there's minor gods too?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 10:22:26 AM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 07, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on September 06, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 08, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Vyse on September 08, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
I'm more curious at its flavor text, as it mentions keranos, another god that we have yet to hear from. Maybe there's minor gods too?
You are correct. MaRo said there are five major gods and ten minor gods
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 08, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Vyse on September 08, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
I'm more curious at its flavor text, as it mentions keranos, another god that we have yet to hear from. Maybe there's minor gods too?
You are correct. MaRo said there are five major gods and ten minor gods

So there's a God for each guild too? That's sick. Will they be in Theros or the next set?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 12:03:13 PM
So let's keep a list of the Minor Gods as we figure out what they are:

{W}{U}
{W}{B}
{W}{R}
{W}{G}
{U}{B}
{U}{R}  Keranos (Flavor text of {Steam Augury})
{U}{G}  Kruphix ({Prophet of Kruphix})
{B}{R}
{B}{G}
{R}{G}

When a new one is revealed, quote this and fill in the new god.

Links: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 12:06:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 12:03:13 PM
So let's keep a list of the Minor Gods as we figure out what they are:

{W}{U}
{W}{B}
{W}{R}
{W}{G}
{U}{B}
{U}{R}  Keranos (Flavor text of {Steam Augury})
{U}{G}  Kruphix ({Prophet of Kruphix})
{B}{R}
{B}{G}
{R}{G}

When a new one is revealed, quote this and fill in the new god.

Links: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
mythicspoiler.com

Great idea! +1
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 08, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Vyse on September 08, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
I'm more curious at its flavor text, as it mentions keranos, another god that we have yet to hear from. Maybe there's minor gods too?
You are correct. MaRo said there are five major gods and ten minor gods

So there's a God for each guild too? That's sick. Will they be in Theros or the next set?

I believe they will be in the next set or spread out between the next two sets, not in Theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 08, 2013, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 08, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Vyse on September 08, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
I'm more curious at its flavor text, as it mentions keranos, another god that we have yet to hear from. Maybe there's minor gods too?
You are correct. MaRo said there are five major gods and ten minor gods

So there's a God for each guild too? That's sick. Will they be in Theros or the next set?

I believe they will be in the next set or spread out between the next two sets, not in Theros
he said that too. There's five in the next set (I'm guessing the RTR colors) and five in the set after that (leaving the gatecrash). Based on when there introducing the RTR colored lands
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 12:17:25 PM
I am really hoping for a 5 color ultimate god.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 08, 2013, 12:17:37 PM
I think the gruul one is xenagos and will be In the last set. The preview pic for it has xenagos as a big huge monster god.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 08, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Vyse on September 08, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 08, 2013, 02:39:34 AM
Steam augury, the new {fact or fiction} changeup?
I'm more curious at its flavor text, as it mentions keranos, another god that we have yet to hear from. Maybe there's minor gods too?
You are correct. MaRo said there are five major gods and ten minor gods

So there's a God for each guild too? That's sick. Will they be in Theros or the next set?

I believe they will be in the next set or spread out between the next two sets, not in Theros

Ok cool hopefully they come out at once. I don't like how some guilds got the extra month of duals in RTR. I know they evened it up in Theros but still I don't want it to happen again
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 10:22:26 AM
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http://mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
 Ashon Rider {4}{W}{W}{B}{B} is just awful. Maybe limited as a bomb but come on 8CMC for a 5/5 flyer and exiles a cpl permanents? Seems too meh to be mythic IMO
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 08:13:27 PM
^^^ Usually I'd love a {W}{B} mythic bomb that exiles, especially because of the exile deck I am working on but sadly I have to agree with you. If it was a 5 or 6 drop 2/2 or 3/3 with the same ability and maybe flash it would be playable but this is just terrible.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 08, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
using the theory for minor gods, is Tymaret a god
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 08, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
using the theory for minor gods, is Tymaret a god

No, the minor gods will be released in Journey to Nyx and Born of Gods
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 08, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
Ashon Rider {4}{W}{W}{B}{B} is just awful. Maybe limited as a bomb but come on 8CMC for a 5/5 flyer and exiles a cpl permanents? Seems too meh to be mythic IMO
Um...reanimator, {crypt ghast}, edh bomb, devotion land, and {gift of immortality}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 08, 2013, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 08, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
Ashon Rider {4}{W}{W}{B}{B} is just awful. Maybe limited as a bomb but come on 8CMC for a 5/5 flyer and exiles a cpl permanents? Seems too meh to be mythic IMO
Um...reanimator, {crypt ghast}, edh bomb, devotion land, and {gift of immortality}.
ya this could get pretty nasty in reanimator...T4 hmmmmm ill exile your <enter turn 4 good card here>. Oh you where going to get rid of him go head and get rid of that shock right there...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 08, 2013, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 08, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
Ashon Rider {4}{W}{W}{B}{B} is just awful. Maybe limited as a bomb but come on 8CMC for a 5/5 flyer and exiles a cpl permanents? Seems too meh to be mythic IMO
Um...reanimator, {crypt ghast}, edh bomb, devotion land, and {gift of immortality}.

Oh dear, that and gift of immortality...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 08, 2013, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 08, 2013, 08:24:09 PM
Is there a date for when theros will be completely spoiled?
One week from tomorrow.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 08:27:36 PM
^^^ I usually go into the prerelease and see cards that I haven't seen even though I followed all the spoilers. I once opened a pack of RTR two months after the release and saw a card I haven't seen before.

Kaleo: amazing! I love that combo with {Gift of Immortality}. Are we going to see a rise in bouncing decks again with that card? Too bad Swagtusk is going out.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 08, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 08:27:36 PM
^^^ I usually go into the prerelease and see cards that I haven't seen even though I followed all the spoilers. I once opened a pack of RTR two months after the release and saw a card I haven't seen before.

Kaleo: amazing! I love that combo with {Gift of Immortality}. Are we going to see a rise in bouncing decks again with that card? Too bad Swagtusk is going out.
oh swagy 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 08, 2013, 09:01:19 PM
New archon will def be an addition to many edh decks. I almost feel sorry for kaalia players because it's not an angel or demon or dragon. But then I remember that I am not allowed to feel sorry for kaalia players unless they get hit by a bus. More than one busses, actually.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 08, 2013, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 08, 2013, 09:01:19 PM
New archon will def be an addition to many edh decks. I almost feel sorry for kaalia players because it's not an angel or demon or dragon. But then I remember that I am not allowed to feel sorry for kaalia players unless they get hit by a bus. More than one busses, actually.
True, true...
Does anybody else see a orzhov ramp deck, featuring {Crypt Ghast}, and the devotion land.  Along with {Dept of the Deathless}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 08, 2013, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 08, 2013, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 08, 2013, 09:01:19 PM
New archon will def be an addition to many edh decks. I almost feel sorry for kaalia players because it's not an angel or demon or dragon. But then I remember that I am not allowed to feel sorry for kaalia players unless they get hit by a bus. More than one busses, actually.
True, true...
Does anybody else see a orzhov ramp deck, featuring {Crypt Ghast}, and the devotion land.  Along with {Dept of the Deathless}

Yes but it would be tricky because the devotion land requires at least 3 devotion to generate any mana and {Crypt Ghast} only pumps up Swamps making it tricky because you need enough Plains to use {Debt to the Deathless} but not so much that the {Crypt Ghast} and Nythos don't generate a good amount of mana. You would be balancing a win con on the luck of the draw although with enough scrying, its viable.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 10:22:26 AM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 07, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on September 06, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spencer Addington on September 08, 2013, 11:34:19 PM
How long does it usually take for a new set to be put onto iMTG after it comes out?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 08, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
Piotr often updates it even before the set is officially released.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spencer Addington on September 08, 2013, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 08, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
Piotr often updates it even before the set is officially released.

YES!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 09, 2013, 12:49:42 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 08, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 08, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
Ashon Rider {4}{W}{W}{B}{B} is just awful. Maybe limited as a bomb but come on 8CMC for a 5/5 flyer and exiles a cpl permanents? Seems too meh to be mythic IMO
Um...reanimator, {crypt ghast}, edh bomb, devotion land, and {gift of immortality}.
Ever since {Purgatory} I've been a fan of Orzhov colours! I used to run these colours back when people where running Circle of Protections and Counterspells as a battleplan, they never knew have how to react. Soooooooo stoked its getting some love this year!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 12:59:49 AM
New stuff up go go go. Heroes downfall wtf
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on September 09, 2013, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 12:59:49 AM
New stuff up go go go. Heroes downfall wtf

The cost of  {Murder} with the ability of  {Dreadbore} all in one
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 09, 2013, 01:21:03 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 12:59:49 AM
New stuff up go go go. Heroes downfall wtf
At wizards: "hmmm. If only murder targeted planeswalkers... I know! Lets make it a rare!"
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 01:25:49 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on September 09, 2013, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 12:59:49 AM
New stuff up go go go. Heroes downfall wtf

The cost of  {Murder} with the ability of  {Dreadbore} all in one

@ instant speed!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 03:04:05 AM
Spear of heliod is amazzzing!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 09, 2013, 03:08:21 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 08, 2013, 10:22:26 AM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 07, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on September 06, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 06, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 04, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 03, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 09, 2013, 05:54:45 AM
The whip will now either be very meh or 'Holy-broken-Magic, Batman" considering its last revealed.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on September 09, 2013, 06:02:48 AM
This set is bonkers. WoTC, you're drunk, gimme your keys.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on September 09, 2013, 06:07:43 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 09, 2013, 06:02:48 AM
This set is bonkers. WoTC, you're drunk, gimme your keys.

I know, I love it, so many new wrinkles. I just wonder if anything will make it into the eternal formats? I see Thassa making it for sure.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 09, 2013, 07:00:23 AM
It may be just a {Murder} that also hits planeswalkers, but I love it!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 09, 2013, 08:14:50 AM
Think one of the minor gods will lock the five major gods in an underground prison?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on September 09, 2013, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 09, 2013, 08:14:50 AM
Think one of the minor gods will lock the five major gods in an underground prison?

You mean like the titans?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 09, 2013, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on September 09, 2013, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 09, 2013, 08:14:50 AM
Think one of the minor gods will lock the five major gods in an underground prison?

You mean like the titans?
i'm saying I think the major gods were inspired from the titans
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 08:20:16 AM
🙀🙀🙀. I sort of dropped out of standard sets right before M14. Time to start paying attention again. This set is bananas.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Seth5000 on September 09, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
Late saying this but
Dam I like thoughts lands
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Seth5000 on September 09, 2013, 01:59:50 PM
Also really late but
Thoughtsize
Fk yeah
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on September 09, 2013, 02:30:56 PM
Jund is going to get to go out with a bang
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 09, 2013, 05:08:26 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com (http://mythicspoiler.com)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Iandtormentor on September 09, 2013, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 08:20:16 AM
🙀🙀🙀. I sort of dropped out of standard sets right before M14. Time to start paying attention again. This set is bananas.
talk about hundred handed one chained to  the rocks??!?!??! And sooo many new twists to the game!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quackmaster5 on September 09, 2013, 08:53:34 PM
Holy crap! They made  {Cancel} better! Dissolve is gunna replace all my cancels.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 09, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
^^^ Yes!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: NyghtHawk on September 09, 2013, 09:23:37 PM
{Dissolve} seems so sweet for blue.

{Hero's Downfall} is crazy.

Oh hi jace....bye jace....

{Medomai the Ageless} is going in my edh deck so fast.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on September 09, 2013, 09:23:37 PM
{Dissolve} seems so sweet for blue.


I wish they'd stop pussyfooting around giving us {counterspell} in standard. Though, it is nice to have a somewhat playable hard counter finally.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: NyghtHawk on September 09, 2013, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on September 09, 2013, 09:23:37 PM
{Dissolve} seems so sweet for blue.


I wish they'd stop pussyfooting around giving us {counterspell} in standard. Though, it is nice to have a somewhat playable hard counter finally.
I know but I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 10:43:59 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on September 09, 2013, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 09, 2013, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on September 09, 2013, 09:23:37 PM
{Dissolve} seems so sweet for blue.


I wish they'd stop pussyfooting around giving us {counterspell} in standard. Though, it is nice to have a somewhat playable hard counter finally.
I know but I'll take what I can get.

Same. Better than {syncopate}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on September 09, 2013, 11:22:56 PM
remember that counterspell that got banned like a few days after it was released in modern.

why can't we have {Mental Misstep}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on September 10, 2013, 12:51:59 AM
{Fanatic of Mogis} could easily be a rare!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Ace on September 10, 2013, 01:05:05 AM
Am I the only one thinking about making a W/B life gain deck??? Or even a junk life gain deck? It seems like it could work and work well.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 10, 2013, 01:56:46 AM
Do you guys seriously think 3 color standard is pushing it, because I wanted to do bant. But if I have to Im alright with azorious.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Ace on September 10, 2013, 02:40:25 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 10, 2013, 01:56:46 AM
Do you guys seriously think 3 color standard is pushing it, because I wanted to do bant. But if I have to Im alright with azorious.

Most decks will be either mono or duel colors. U will still see a few tri colors but not nearly as many as right now. If anything it would be duel colors with a splash of a third color.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:22:04 AM
I love the homage to the Trojan Horse of legend! {Akroan Horse} is gonna be fun to play with!

Edit: I've just realised that's going in my Token ramp EDH deck and gonna make sure {War Report} sits in my hand till very last minute!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Ugh, {Whip of Erebos} is sweeeeeet! A permanent reanimator! WITH LIFELINK DISPERSAL?! Thank you Wizards.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:27:23 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 09, 2013, 05:08:26 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com (http://mythicspoiler.com)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 10, 2013, 03:55:42 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Ugh, {Whip of Erebos} is sweeeeeet! A permanent reanimator! WITH LIFELINK DISPERSAL?! Thank you Wizards.
Oh great googly moogly. This card is siiiiick. Someone said earlier reanimator might struggle when {unburial rites} rotates...replacement? Mono color...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 10, 2013, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on September 10, 2013, 12:51:59 AM
{Fanatic of Mogis} could easily be a rare!!

Reminds me of  {Flametongue Kavu}, except to player instead of creature...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Stoneco1d869 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:34 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 10, 2013, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on September 10, 2013, 12:51:59 AM
{Fanatic of Mogis} could easily be a rare!!

Reminds me of  {Flametongue Kavu}, except to player instead of creature...

Yeah except this guy can easily be a game ender with devotion.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 10, 2013, 07:21:18 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:34 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 10, 2013, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on September 10, 2013, 12:51:59 AM
{Fanatic of Mogis} could easily be a rare!!

Reminds me of  {Flametongue Kavu}, except to player instead of creature...

Yeah except this guy can easily be a game ender with devotion.

I say that we are going to have a return of  {Fires of Yavimaya} decks, with hammer being the fires
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: lotrwk on September 10, 2013, 07:24:37 AM
Anyone know what time the prerelease are at? Are they all day, or are they 6-12 like FNM?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 07:41:02 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Ugh, {Whip of Erebos} is sweeeeeet! A permanent reanimator! WITH LIFELINK DISPERSAL?! Thank you Wizards.
all it is is unearth nerfed. Yeesh, no big deal
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 07:41:18 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Ugh, {Whip of Erebos} is sweeeeeet! A permanent reanimator! WITH LIFELINK DISPERSAL?! Thank you Wizards.
😍😍😍😍
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Ugh, {Whip of Erebos} is sweeeeeet! A permanent reanimator! WITH LIFELINK DISPERSAL?! Thank you Wizards.
😍👌😘 my little artifact!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 07:48:10 AM
For standard the whip is good, but for modern and other formats with a wider card base use {Serdis, the traitor king}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 07:50:42 AM
Wizards dropped the ball on originality here

Edit: come on wizards! There has to be better design space for reanimator then bringing back unearth

Edit: the whip is complete and utter crap sense there's something that does the same thing for cheaper
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:02:03 AM
Whip of Erebos + Rescue from the Underworld. Just got excited about standard again.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:02:03 AM
Whip of Erebos + Rescue from the Underworld. Just got excited about standard again.
yes, but if the creature animated from the whip dies it is exiled. Still the combo is pretty cool
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:02:03 AM
Whip of Erebos + Rescue from the Underworld. Just got excited about standard again.
yes, but if the creature animated from the whip dies it is exiled. Still the combo is pretty cool

Well yeah but it's a free sac from a creature that is getting exiled regardless.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 08:27:26 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:02:03 AM
Whip of Erebos + Rescue from the Underworld. Just got excited about standard again.
yes, but if the creature animated from the whip dies it is exiled. Still the combo is pretty cool

Well yeah but it's a free sac from a creature that is getting exiled regardless.
though return brings back the creature you sacrificed. Although I can see times when you might need to use this trick
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 10, 2013, 09:12:37 AM
Everyones all like, whip this, whip that, whip it good (lol) and I'm just sitting here like omg please give me 4 swan song
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quackmaster5 on September 10, 2013, 09:31:13 AM
Ya swan song is pretty epic.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 10, 2013, 11:10:53 AM
I'm looking forward to the seedborn muse that gives creatures flash
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 03:05:56 PM
I'm liking that new sphinx. Its cost is a little high but being able to discard at will is good for reanimator.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 03:05:56 PM
I'm liking that new sphinx. Its cost is a little high but being able to discard at will is good for reanimator.


I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 03:05:56 PM
I'm liking that new sphinx. Its cost is a little high but being able to discard at will is good for reanimator.


I didn't see it.

http://instagram.com/p/eFxukSlqMW/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Seth5000 on September 10, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
Which plainswalker do you think is the best out of the three

I'd have to choose the dimir one just cuz it goes really well with my control deck
Second would be the gruul one
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: izik99 on September 10, 2013, 05:04:28 PM
I'm lovin these slow dual lands... Standard needs to slower paced
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 10, 2013, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: Seth5000 on September 10, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
Which plainswalker do you think is the best out of the three

I'd have to choose the dimir one just cuz it goes really well with my control deck
Second would be the gruul one

Gotta go with Taysby here. Xenagos is just unreal. Every ability is great tbh
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
Taysby's got it, Xenagos all the way! (You don't know how hard it is to say that with an Esper colored planeswalker in standard)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 10, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 10, 2013, 05:04:28 PM
I'm lovin these slow dual lands... Standard needs to slower paced
Mono-Red and Gruul can still be extremely fast.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 10, 2013, 05:55:02 PM
The sphinx seems reasonable, I could see a good esper reanimator brewing from it perhaps
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 10, 2013, 05:55:02 PM
The sphinx seems reasonable, I could see a good esper reanimator brewing from it perhaps

That's going to be my project come rotation.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 10, 2013, 06:02:26 PM
I think the problem will be what do we reanimate? That BW mythic sucks everywhere but reanimator, but maybe a big monster or 2?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on September 10, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on September 10, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: izik99 on September 10, 2013, 05:04:28 PM
I'm lovin these slow dual lands... Standard needs to slower paced
Mono-Red and Gruul can still be extremely fast.

WILL still be extremely fast
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Jdogtoocool on September 10, 2013, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 10, 2013, 06:02:26 PM
I think the problem will be what do we reanimate? That BW mythic sucks everywhere but reanimator, but maybe a big monster or 2?

We were talking about this earlier on fb:
{Skarrg Goliath}
{Borborygmos Enraged}
{Abhorrent Overlord}
{Giant Adephage}
{Angel of Serenity} board wipe swing?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
I run a Boros Aggro that has won first at FNM a few times and the only card that it is using is {Vexing Devil} and {Clifftop Retreats}. Well, technically its losing {Searing Spear} also but I am not even taking them out of the deck, I will put a playset of Lightning .poo. in my box and switch them out only if an opponent politely asks me to.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 10, 2013, 06:02:26 PM
I think the problem will be what do we reanimate? That BW mythic sucks everywhere but reanimator, but maybe a big monster or 2?

{ætherling} maybe? I don't really know.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Monrodesign on September 10, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
I love {Swan Song}!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on September 10, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
I love {Swan Song}!!!

It's pretty bonkers considering it can counter all of the enchantment creatures.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 10, 2013, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 10, 2013, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on September 10, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
I love {Swan Song}!!!

It's pretty bonkers considering it can counter all of the enchantment creatures.

Amen
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
Check out Demonheart Chimera, pretty sweet for an Izzet deck!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
Check out Demonheart Chimera, pretty sweet for an Izzet deck!

Anyone know what it's flavor text means?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
Check out Demonheart Chimera, pretty sweet for an Izzet deck!

Anyone know what it's flavor text means?

Not a clue but I can make something up if you want me to.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 10, 2013, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 10, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 10, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
Check out Demonheart Chimera, pretty sweet for an Izzet deck!

Anyone know what it's flavor text means?

Not a clue but I can make something up if you want me to.

Please do!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Quisequise on September 11, 2013, 12:05:19 AM
Ajani in theros block? http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/263

Letter from Elspeth to Ajani. Maybe her prayer will be answered?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 11, 2013, 12:09:00 AM
I like the ordeals. They remind me of {consuming ferocity}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 11, 2013, 12:52:29 AM
omg that agent of fates!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 01:15:49 AM
DEMONHEART FREAKING CHIMERA!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 11, 2013, 07:07:23 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on September 11, 2013, 12:05:19 AM
Ajani in theros block? http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/263

Letter from Elspeth to Ajani. Maybe her prayer will be answered?

That was kinda assumed a few weeks ago...  Look at the preview art for nyx
Looks like they will be fighting Xenagos.

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/nyx/index.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on September 11, 2013, 09:29:31 AM
I don't know if I'm a fan of the ordeals. They are, at most, a 3 turn benefit. And if you put another ordeal on the same creature, it goes away as soon as you attack again. I don't know. I suppose I'll like them more in about a week.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 11, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on September 11, 2013, 12:05:19 AM
Ajani in theros block? http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/263

Letter from Elspeth to Ajani. Maybe her prayer will be answered?
That was still a great read!!! I loved the Scars story so much, it was awesome to hear its last conclusion from her eyes and an awesome lead into this plane!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 11, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
It may be for space saving purposes, but did anyone notice that the {1}{B} ability for Tymaret, the Murder King says "return Tymaret from your graveyard..." instead of using the full name? Is this unusual?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 11, 2013, 10:53:32 AM
I'm glad we have Anger of the Gods, at least 1 color has a good answer to voice
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 10:55:04 AM
D E A M O N H E A R T    F L I P P I N G    C I M E R A !!!!!!!!!!! I need like 80 playsets!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 11, 2013, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 11, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
It may be for space saving purposes, but did anyone notice that the {1}{B} ability for Tymaret, the Murder King says "return Tymaret from your graveyard..." instead of using the full name? Is this unusual?
This is normal for permanents with a name followed by a title. {Skithyrix, the Blight Dragon} actually does it both ways.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mikefrompluto on September 11, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 11, 2013, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on September 11, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
It may be for space saving purposes, but did anyone notice that the {1}{B} ability for Tymaret, the Murder King says "return Tymaret from your graveyard..." instead of using the full name? Is this unusual?
This is normal for permanents with a name followed by a title. {Skithyrix, the Blight Dragon} actually does it both ways.

Ah I see.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 11:23:03 AM
DEAMONHEART CHIMERA!!! Best card in theros no matter what!!! My grixis deck has been rewarded by the magic R&D gods and my little brother will hate having decided to play mill
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vyse on September 11, 2013, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 11, 2013, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 11:23:03 AM
DEAMONHEART CHIMERA!!! Best card in theros no matter what!!! My grixis deck has been rewarded by the magic R&D gods and my little brother will hate having decided to play mill

In standard you're in a format with scavenging ooze. So I could see him being a lot less effective. As for legacy, could this be a possible delver sidekick?
Slap on  {Runechanter's Pike} for more laughs
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 11, 2013, 04:12:47 PM
Is Chandra's home plane Mirridon? She looks very steam punk. She has the goggles which are a steam punk icon. And a steam punk looking thing on her arm. And she's even wearing chain mail. That suggests a steam punk like world. So maybe Mirridon or the plane with {steam flogger boss}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 11, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 11, 2013, 04:12:47 PM
Is Chandra's home plane Mirridon? She looks very steam punk. She has the goggles which are a steam punk icon. And a steam punk looking thing on her arm. And she's even wearing chain mail. That suggests a steam punk like world. So maybe Mirridon or the plane with {steam flogger boss}?

Nope, it's unnamed.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 11, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 11, 2013, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 11, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 11, 2013, 04:12:47 PM
Is Chandra's home plane Mirridon? She looks very steam punk. She has the goggles which are a steam punk icon. And a steam punk looking thing on her arm. And she's even wearing chain mail. That suggests a steam punk like world. So maybe Mirridon or the plane with {steam flogger boss}?

Nope, it's unnamed.

Nope, it's TBA :P

FTFY

What's TBA?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on September 11, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
To be announced
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 11, 2013, 05:18:48 PM
Quote from: Kagain123 on September 11, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
To be announced
But I want to know what it means now. Why would you withhold that.

Seriously though if you havent all seen the new magic show on youtube by mrorangeguy then you should check it out. He covers some very important key points about theros many have probably overlooked.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 05:43:39 PM
If i have Prognistic sphinx with ordeal of thassa equiped and i attack do i scry 3 or draw 2 cards first?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 11, 2013, 06:00:11 PM
If two triggers are created at the same time the the active player puts all triggers on the stack first in an order of their choosing followed by each other player in turn order doing the same.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 11, 2013, 06:00:11 PM
If two triggers are created at the same time the the active player puts all triggers on the stack first in an order of their choosing followed by each other player in turn order doing the same.

Yes!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 07:27:46 PM
{cognivore} is a lhurgoyf... wut
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 11, 2013, 07:32:12 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 07:27:46 PM
{cognivore} is a lhurgoyf... wut
The never ending story anyone?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 11, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
So far I'm loving mono-red
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 11, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
I can't believe people haven't been talking about {Soldier of the Pantheon}?!? A one-drop 2/1 pro multicolor and whenever an opponent casts a multicolor spell you gain 1 life! White weenie is looking amazing right now!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 11, 2013, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on September 11, 2013, 07:32:12 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 11, 2013, 07:27:46 PM
{cognivore} is a lhurgoyf... wut
The never ending story anyone?
It's a luck dragon!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 11, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
So who's playing what color in prerelease. I'm playing black. Mono black go so many good cards but I'll with play jun reveler, Esper control or b/w/r Purphoros which saw on youtube
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 11, 2013, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on September 11, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
So who's playing what color in prerelease. I'm playing black. Mono black go so many good cards but I'll with play jun reveler, Esper control or b/w/r Purphoros which saw on youtube

I'm doing white but try this thread, people have been talking about the prerelease here: http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=27730.15

If the link doesn't work go to "Drafted and Sealed" and then "Theros prerelease" ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 11, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 11, 2013, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on September 11, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
So who's playing what color in prerelease. I'm playing black. Mono black go so many good cards but I'll with play jun reveler, Esper control or b/w/r Purphoros which saw on youtube

I'm doing white but try this thread, people have been talking about the prerelease here: http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=27730.15

If the link doesn't work go to "Drafted and Sealed" and then "Theros prerelease" ;)


Thanks
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 11, 2013, 10:39:16 PM
Dauntless Onslaught! A must have for every Heroic deck.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 12:18:29 AM
what do you guys think of firedrinker satyr. i may be missing something but i just feel kinda meh...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
Traid of fates or whatever seems wicked for control. The saytr just seems bad unless we get something that will give us some kind of plus for taking hits
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 12, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
The saytr just seems bad unless we get something that will give us some kind of plus for taking hits

Lifelink would cancel the hits out, on another note, does anyone else see white getting a wrath?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MementoMori on September 12, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
As the article revealing it mentioned, 2/Xs for 1 are usually pretty good. See {Jackal Pup} and {Goblin Guide}.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: S717 on September 12, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
The saytr just seems bad unless we get something that will give us some kind of plus for taking hits

Lifelink would cancel the hits out, on another note, does anyone else see white getting a wrath?

Maybe a b/w Wraith
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
I do like how abilities aren't limited to any single color,  but are spread around
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 12, 2013, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: S717 on September 12, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
The saytr just seems bad unless we get something that will give us some kind of plus for taking hits

Lifelink would cancel the hits out, on another note, does anyone else see white getting a wrath?

Maybe a b/w Wraith

Wrath, not wraith, ex:  {Wrath of God}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 12:28:50 PM
Silly thing that came to mind when I woke up. That satyr has a triggered ability that hits you. Wait till damage is done, then target that heroric white one drop that prevents damge while the satyr's ability is on the stack. That way you only get the good and none of the bad. To ba red and white don't mix well...oh wait.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 12:28:50 PM
Silly thing that came to mind when I woke up. That satyr has a triggered ability that hits you. Wait till damage is done, then target that heroric white one drop that prevents damge while the satyr's ability is on the stack. That way you only get the good and none of the bad. To ba red and white don't mix well...oh wait.

Wait what part of the satyrs ability can be used with the hoplite. I guess I don't understand
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: S717 on September 12, 2013, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: S717 on September 12, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
The saytr just seems bad unless we get something that will give us some kind of plus for taking hits

Lifelink would cancel the hits out, on another note, does anyone else see white getting a wrath?

Maybe a b/w Wraith

Wrath, not wraith, ex:  {Wrath of God}

Wow lol ha I must have been real tired
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 01:02:50 PM
There sorta is a wrath in red. But a weak one. Also, green looks kinda weak in this set
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 12:28:50 PM
Silly thing that came to mind when I woke up. That satyr has a triggered ability that hits you. Wait till damage is done, then target that heroric white one drop that prevents damge while the satyr's ability is on the stack. That way you only get the good and none of the bad. To ba red and white don't mix well...oh wait.

Wait what part of the satyrs ability can be used with the hoplite. I guess I don't understand
When he is dealt damage it damages you. You can negate the damage to you. Sure he'll die under most circumstances but casual players love having set ups like this for all the shenanigans.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid I'm assuming were talking about favored hoplite. But it says that he prevents damage to himself the satyr does damage to the owner. Am I really dense I just don't see the connection
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid I'm assuming were talking about favored hoplite. But it says that he prevents damage to himself the satyr does damage to the owner. Am I really dense I just don't see the connection
I'm on the same page, it doesn't work like they are saying. It could be good with fateful hour but that's not happening
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
I signed up for white. Was that stupid?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 02:37:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
I signed up for white. Was that stupid?

Is it that its decided that some colors are already pre decided or if its from the set white looks pretty good already
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 12, 2013, 02:43:51 PM
Esper is gonna be nasty when theros drops. I'm playing black. Is that a good idea??
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 02:37:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
I signed up for white. Was that stupid?

Is it that its decided that some colors are already pre decided or if its from the set white looks pretty good already
i picked white because I wanted to make a pillow fort fight club deck with enchantment creatures
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
I'll probably do {B}{U}, {U}{W}, or {R}{G}. Which is the best?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
I'll probably do {B}{U}, {U}{W}, or {R}{G}. Which is the best?

Best.. can't say yet. Popular opinion would say RG

I personally wanna go UW
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
I'll probably do {B}{U}, {U}{W}, or {R}{G}. Which is the best?

Best.. can't say yet. Popular opinion would say RG

I personally wanna go UW
it depends on your strategy. Theros is an enchantment block. Green is excellent at destroying enchantments, yet you run the risk of not getting those cards. So that's risky business. So I would say either {U}{W} or {U}{B}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 12, 2013, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 09, 1970, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
I'll probably do {B}{U}, {U}{W}, or {R}{G}. Which is the best?

Best.. can't say yet. Popular opinion would say RG

I personally wanna go UW
it depends on your strategy. Theros is an enchantment block. Green is excellent at destroying enchantments, yet you run the risk of not getting those cards. So that's risky business. So I would say either {U}{W} or {U}{B}

There Is A Area In Draft/sealed that Talks About PreRelease.

stupid cell i capping every word!   
If you want to go u/w or U/b, then pick blue and hope you get good black or White in the 5 boosters.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid I'm assuming were talking about favored hoplite. But it says that he prevents damage to himself the satyr does damage to the owner. Am I really dense I just don't see the connection
I'm on the same page, it doesn't work like they are saying. It could be good with fateful hour but that's not happening
Oh good i thought it was broken cause I read it without the "to it" the first time.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid I'm assuming were talking about favored hoplite. But it says that he prevents damage to himself the satyr does damage to the owner. Am I really dense I just don't see the connection
I'm on the same page, it doesn't work like they are saying. It could be good with fateful hour but that's not happening
Oh good i thought it was broken cause I read it without the "to it" the first time.
would it work with the wurm that keeps your life at 7?....{elderscale wurm}
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid I'm assuming were talking about favored hoplite. But it says that he prevents damage to himself the satyr does damage to the owner. Am I really dense I just don't see the connection
I'm on the same page, it doesn't work like they are saying. It could be good with fateful hour but that's not happening
Oh good i thought it was broken cause I read it without the "to it" the first time.

No worries man, I just don't claim to be very quick when it comes to combos. I can build a solid deck with good synergy but I know your a really good player and I just wanted to see it for myself to so I could know the kind of thing to look for
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 12, 2013, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 12, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 12, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 12, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid I'm assuming were talking about favored hoplite. But it says that he prevents damage to himself the satyr does damage to the owner. Am I really dense I just don't see the connection
I'm on the same page, it doesn't work like they are saying. It could be good with fateful hour but that's not happening
Oh good i thought it was broken cause I read it without the "to it" the first time.
would it work with the wurm that keeps your life at 7?....{elderscale wurm}
Yes
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on September 12, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Leviathan on September 13, 2013, 12:43:33 AM
Sooooooo. Firedrinker Satyr is just about horrible.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 13, 2013, 01:18:26 AM
But mistcutter hydra rocks
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 13, 2013, 01:22:58 AM
Green just keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Leviathan on September 13, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Where does Green get off getting Centaur Battlemaster at uncommon with Firedrinker Satyr at rare? (I'm a hardcore red player btw) this has me fuming.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 13, 2013, 01:34:05 AM
Just give me a chance to giant growth it and swing :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 05:00:18 AM
Triad of Fates!!! My Orzhov EDH has been getting soooooo much love lately! What a great tip of the hat to the actual Fates, too!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: Leviathan on September 13, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Where does Green get off getting Centaur Battlemaster at uncommon with Firedrinker Satyr at rare? (I'm a hardcore red player btw) this has me fuming.
theres probably going to be some absurd combo with the stayr that will make it good. I'm going to try and find it
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 13, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 05:00:18 AM
Triad of Fates!!! My Orzhov EDH has been getting soooooo much love lately! What a great tip of the hat to the actual Fates, too!

Love that card. Perfect for an EDH game, and {Oblivion Stone} is the only other card that gives out Fate Counters.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: Leviathan on September 13, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Where does Green get off getting Centaur Battlemaster at uncommon with Firedrinker Satyr at rare? (I'm a hardcore red player btw) this has me fuming.
theres probably going to be some absurd combo with the stayr that will make it good. I'm going to try and find it

I attack, I {Enlarge} it. I now have a 13/13 with trample and you have to block it. ;)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on September 13, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
{Firedrinker sayter} is just an other {Jackal Pup}....and {Jackal Pup} did see play back in the day...it's a good card if you don't care about your life and just want to rush your opponent.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 13, 2013, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 13, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
{Firedrinker sayter} is just an other {Jackal Pup}....and {Jackal Pup} did see play back in the day...it's a good card if you don't care about your life and just want to rush your opponent.
I agree, also {legion loyalist} giving first strike is very relevant.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 13, 2013, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 13, 2013, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 13, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
{Firedrinker sayter} is just an other {Jackal Pup}....and {Jackal Pup} did see play back in the day...it's a good card if you don't care about your life and just want to rush your opponent.
I agree, also {legion loyalist} giving first strike is very relevant.

Hence why he's the best Battalion in Boros a 1 drop haste!

Play him when you have 2 creatures on the field so it's kinda a sneak attack and bam 1st strike, trample! Yes please!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: Leviathan on September 13, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Where does Green get off getting Centaur Battlemaster at uncommon with Firedrinker Satyr at rare? (I'm a hardcore red player btw) this has me fuming.
theres probably going to be some absurd combo with the stayr that will make it good. I'm going to try and find it

I attack, I {Enlarge} it. I now have a 13/13 with trample and everything you have has to block it. ;)
you only have to block with one creature
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
Someone figured out how to use medomai to attack with it, even on extra turns

https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ftl/264
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: Leviathan on September 13, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Where does Green get off getting Centaur Battlemaster at uncommon with Firedrinker Satyr at rare? (I'm a hardcore red player btw) this has me fuming.
theres probably going to be some absurd combo with the stayr that will make it good. I'm going to try and find it

I attack, I {Enlarge} it. I now have a 13/13 with trample and everything you have has to block it. ;)
you only have to block with one creature

Oops, for some reason I was thinking of {Predatory Rampage}, which would also work amazingly with it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 13, 2013, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
Someone figured out how to use medomai to attack with it, even on extra turns

https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ftl/264
I was totally expecting to call BS on this but i forgot you could have {hero of bladehold} and {Geist of saint traft} effects with real creatures via cards currently in magic.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
{Damnation} has been spoiled?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
{Damnation} has been spoiled?

Not that I'm aware of...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 13, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 12, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MementoMori on September 13, 2013, 01:19:25 PM
If this is in reference to the recent Blogatog question, that's about the preview back in Planar Chaos.

You had me really excited for a second.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: MementoMori on September 13, 2013, 01:19:25 PM
If this is in reference to the recent Blogatog question, that's about the preview back in Planar Chaos.

You had me really excited for a second.

+1 for reading my mind.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 13, 2013, 04:56:18 PM
Medomai +  {Clone} would work too right?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 13, 2013, 04:56:18 PM
Medomai +  {Clone} would work too right?
the clone wouldn't be able to attack on extra turns
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
I'm sure people have realised already, but Triad of Fates is a good reason to run the new Archon, flickering him in and out (yes after still having to reanimate after a discard).
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
I'm sure people have realised already, but Triad of Fates is a good reason to run the new Archon, flickering him in and out (yes after still having to reanimate after a discard).

{Gift of Immortality} is a good reason to her too. Archon that is. It's an upgraded {Angel of Despair} - which was just 5/5 flier with {Vindicate} stapled to it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 06:43:08 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
I'm sure people have realised already, but Triad of Fates is a good reason to run the new Archon, flickering him in and out (yes after still having to reanimate after a discard).

{Gift of Immortality} is a good reason to her too. Archon that is. It's an upgraded {Angel of Despair} - which was just 5/5 flier with {Vindicate} stapled to it.
Reading this post, I got the same heart flutter you get when your crush walks in the room ... or your {Archive Trap} goes off. Haha.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 13, 2013, 06:56:54 PM
Lol I love archive trap. My friend always uses some sort of tutors whether land or creature...he gets hit with archive trap alot lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 07:34:26 PM
{Fade Into antiquity}! Wow! Green has always destroyed, but now it's exiling them too! Look out Pillow Fighters! Haha!

PS good on you peeps for keeping the link on each page in my absence! But beware those of you who care about Karma, one particular user isn't a fan of it's repetition.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
Would that one card with flashback be good for heroic?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
Would that one card with flashback be good for heroic?
Which one?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 13, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 07:34:26 PM
{Fade Into antiquity}! Wow! Green has always destroyed, but now it's exiling them too! Look out Pillow Fighters! Haha!

PS good on you peeps for keeping the link on each page in my absence! But beware those of you who care about Karma, one particular user isn't a fan of it's repetition.
That one person doesn't matter...the other 30 that like having the link on every page for easy reference matter more :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
Would that one card with flashback be good for heroic?
Which one?
the one with unblockable
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 13, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 13, 2013, 07:34:26 PM
{Fade Into antiquity}! Wow! Green has always destroyed, but now it's exiling them too! Look out Pillow Fighters! Haha!

PS good on you peeps for keeping the link on each page in my absence! But beware those of you who care about Karma, one particular user isn't a fan of it's repetition.
That one person doesn't matter...the other 30 that like having the link on every page for easy reference matter more :)
Addaboy!!!

On a different note, I can't hold back my love for {Prognostic Sphinx}. Not for his mechanic per se, but just look at him. Reminds of the old many armed dude from Spirited Away. What a champ!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
Holy .poo.! They just spoiled like 100 cards, 240/249 are spoiled now!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 13, 2013, 09:16:30 PM
Wow.. Colossus of Akros

Artifact Creature — Golem   
Defender, indestructible.
: Monstrosity 10.
As long as Colossus of Akros is monstrous, it has trample and can attack as though it didn't have defender
Illus. Zack Stella   10/10
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on September 13, 2013, 09:16:30 PM
Wow.. Colossus of Akros

Artifact Creature — Golem   
Defender, indestructible.
: Monstrosity 10.
As long as Colossus of Akros is monstrous, it has trample and can attack as though it didn't have defender
Illus. Zack Stella   10/10

I know. So cool! I usually don't like non-spike cards, but the flavor for this set has been so good. Very good work by Mark Rosewater and company
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 13, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
The set is very vorthos/Melvin
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 13, 2013, 10:00:42 PM
Someone dropped the ball on spoilers. Whole set is spoiled, and it wasnt due to be revealed for another week.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 12:44:01 AM
Where are they spoilt, Dude?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Pslider on September 14, 2013, 01:17:58 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 12:44:01 AM
Where are they spoilt, Dude?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
Holy .poo.! They just spoiled like 100 cards, 240/249 are spoiled now!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 01:19:12 AM
Wow, look at those cards! I love the spells that target two creatures at once! Where did that ONE Leonin come from? {Nyela's Presence} is exciting!!! AND THERE'S ANOTHER UNICORN!!!!

I think I need to preorder a third box.

And with the 🌞💀 Archon, the Triad of Fates and now the 🌞💀 Skeleton Griffin (plus all the enchantment creatures in both colours and everything else for that matter) I'm totally running Orzhov. Hard!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 01:24:17 AM
Quote from: Pslider on September 14, 2013, 01:17:58 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 12:44:01 AM
Where are they spoilt, Dude?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
Holy .poo.! They just spoiled like 100 cards, 240/249 are spoiled now!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Cheers buddy! However, a visual spoiler here: http://mythicspoiler.com/

I wonder what the last 9 are...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 14, 2013, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 01:24:17 AM
Quote from: Pslider on September 14, 2013, 01:17:58 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 12:44:01 AM
Where are they spoilt, Dude?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 13, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
Holy .poo.! They just spoiled like 100 cards, 240/249 are spoiled now!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/theros-spoiler.html
Cheers buddy! However, a visual spoiler here: http://mythicspoiler.com/

I wonder what the last 9 are...
Look again. All are spoiled :)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 14, 2013, 10:09:11 AM
Now that the whole set is spoiled, what does everyone think of it?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 14, 2013, 10:48:21 AM
It's awesome! I may get yet another box!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 14, 2013, 01:05:54 PM
Still getting a case
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 14, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 14, 2013, 01:05:54 PM
Still getting a case
Wish I could afford one, sticking to 2 boxes, excited for a bunch of this stuff
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 14, 2013, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 14, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 14, 2013, 01:05:54 PM
Still getting a case
Wish I could afford one, sticking to 2 boxes, excited for a bunch of this stuff

Sticking to no boxes and just singles because i dont really buy many packs
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 14, 2013, 04:22:55 PM
Amazing! I hope they let MaRo Topdown a set again!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 14, 2013, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 14, 2013, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 14, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 14, 2013, 01:05:54 PM
Still getting a case
Wish I could afford one, sticking to 2 boxes, excited for a bunch of this stuff

Sticking to no boxes and just singles because i dont really buy many packs

Just because there is just so much value in the set. I'm doing u/w so like ill be able to sell off so much of the hv cards
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 14, 2013, 06:30:20 PM
I'm thinking an American Heroic Midrange (I might go Azorius or Boros instead). It would work a lot like a white weenie deck and would focus on Heroic cards that give bonuses to all of my creatures, like {Phalanx Leader} and overwhelming my opponents with a lot of medium sized creatures. Of course going to run {Frontline Medic}s, {Boros Charm}s and/or {Rootborn Defense}s for survivability, don't want to get board sweeped.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 14, 2013, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 14, 2013, 06:30:20 PM
I'm thinking an American Heroic Midrange (I might go Azorius or Boros instead). It would work a lot like a white weenie deck and would focus on Heroic cards that give bonuses to all of my creatures, like {Phalanx Leader} and overwhelming my opponents with a lot of medium sized creatures. Of course going to run {Frontline Medic}s, {Boros Charm}s and/or {Rootborn Defense}s for survivability, don't want to get board sweeped.

I'd think Bant looks best, {R} isn't seeing much heroic...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 14, 2013, 08:16:12 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 14, 2013, 07:01:13 PM
How about {boros reckoner}?  You have red and white, you have to run 4 of him.  H is the red white {thragtusk}.

To Taysby-Yeah, i'd probably run a few of them but I was just listing the basics.

To Mlerner-Red has a lot of combat tricks and spells that would trip heroic and some of the heroes I was thinking of are {Arkroan Crusader} and {Labyrinth Champion}. Red would also give me the ability to run {Assemble the Legion} and {Purphoros, God of the Forge} could be really nasty in a deck like this.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
Would {weapon surge} work with heroic?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kagain123 on September 15, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
Would {weapon surge} work with heroic?

Not when overloaded. Overload doesn't target
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 15, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: Kagain123 on September 15, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
Would {weapon surge} work with heroic?

Not when overloaded. Overload doesn't target
you would need something that targets, like  {Comet Storm} but preferably something that buffs instead of doing damage
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 11:41:05 AM
{Swift Justice} is amazing with Heroic. It could save your creature (with first strike), gives him a slight bonus (+1/+0), give you lifegain (lifelink) plus whatever bonus the Heroic gives you. Its too bad Bloodrush doesn't work with Heroic though.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Well what if a card said "target each creature target player controls"

Would that work?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Well what if a card said "target each creature target player controls"

Would that work?
Yeah.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 15, 2013, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Well what if a card said "target each creature target player controls"

Would that work?
Yeah.
The wording on that is weird though, for simplicity they would say each creature target player controls, it would be easier to understand
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 15, 2013, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Well what if a card said "target each creature target player controls"

Would that work?
Yeah.
The wording on that is weird though, for simplicity they would say each creature target player controls, it would be easier to understand
but that wording wouldn't work
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
Sorry to say this, but shouldn't this be unpinned now that Theros is fully spoiled and a Born of Gods stickied up?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 15, 2013, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
Sorry to say this, but shouldn't this be unpinned now that Theros is fully spoiled and a Born of Gods stickied up?
I see no born of the gods...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 15, 2013, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 15, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
Sorry to say this, but shouldn't this be unpinned now that Theros is fully spoiled and a Born of Gods stickied up?
I see no born of the gods...
Check again, I just made one
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Dudecore on September 15, 2013, 01:10:02 PM
We should give it until pre-release before we unsticky it.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 15, 2013, 01:54:50 PM
Indeed, that gives people time for it to fully sink in.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 13, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 13, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on September 12, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 12, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 11, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
You know. The set might not actually be spoiled. It could be a joke from wizards
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Vampyvyrus on September 15, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
You know. The set might not actually be spoiled. It could be a joke from wizards
It is premature isn't it?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 15, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
You know. The set might not actually be spoiled. It could be a joke from wizards
It is premature isn't it?
look at the resolution of the hundered cards they spoiled. It doesn't match the others.

Either that or someone panicked because the set wasn't going the way they wanted and they threw a hissy fit by throwing all these cards in. The high-res cards slow things down. While look, the low-res cards are for a fast paced meta. It just doesn't add up why they would just throw those in. Plus a hundered at once? Wierd
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: 5/9 Turtle on September 15, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 15, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
You know. The set might not actually be spoiled. It could be a joke from wizards
It is premature isn't it?
look at the resolution of the hundered cards they spoiled. It doesn't match the others.

Either that or someone panicked because the set wasn't going the way they wanted and they threw a hissy fit by throwing all these cards in. The high-res cards slow things down. While look, the low-res cards are for a fast paced meta. It just doesn't add up why they would just throw those in. Plus a hundered at once? Wierd

I was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 08:47:33 PM
The set looks stapled together now, and I'm not sure it's really going to be as big of a hit as it would have been. Because before it looked incredible. Now it looks meh because of the Frankenstien feel to it
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 15, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Then again. A slower meta should be a gradual change, so I can see why they might have done that
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 15, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
And a random Leonin from no where!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 12:49:15 AM
There are barely any enchantments which is wierd for an enchantment block, wotc hasnt been spoiling or updating on daily mtg for some reason, it all seems pretty wierd...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Rasser on September 16, 2013, 01:14:42 AM
Some have weird wording

"Target creature can't be blocked"
"Equiped creature can't be blocked except by walls"
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 01:23:11 AM
http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2013/03/theros-block-mtg/

Go to this link then check up on the numbers of commons uncommons rares and mythics on
www.Mythicspoiler.com
I think you might find something slightly fishy...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 01:23:11 AM
http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2013/03/theros-block-mtg/

Go to this link then check up on the numbers of commons uncommons rares and mythics on
www.Mythicspoiler.com
I think you might find something slightly fishy...

Sorry wrong link go to http://www.magicspoiler.com/theros-spoiler/
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wally on September 16, 2013, 01:34:19 AM
If you have a look, the images are spoiled from mtgo. That's a pretty official place for information to come from.... I highly doubt it's fake.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 16, 2013, 01:48:28 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 15, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
And a random Leonin from no where!!!
Read the planeswalker's guides. Leonin are huge. They used to live where the red/white city is and were inslaved and had their culture beaten out of them by a tyrant. Now they have a resentment toward humans and their culture and live a semi-nomadic lifestyle of raids and physical prowess. They are as problematic as the minotaurs for the adverage human. 
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 16, 2013, 02:44:09 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 16, 2013, 01:48:28 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 15, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
And a random Leonin from no where!!!
Read the planeswalker's guides. Leonin are huge. They used to live where the red/white city is and were inslaved and had their culture beaten out of them by a tyrant. Now they have a resentment toward humans and their culture and live a semi-nomadic lifestyle of raids and physical prowess. They are as problematic as the minotaurs for the adverage human.
Oh cool!!! I do love Leonin but from memory I don't remember any from Greek Mythology, hence my 'wtf'.
I rarely get a chance anymore to scour the new and/or read cool articles of my interests, but I will now!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 16, 2013, 03:11:05 AM
It's greek/ roman inspired not based on. Their free to keep it more magic friendly.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 16, 2013, 08:03:50 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 12:49:15 AM
There are barely any enchantments which is wierd for an enchantment block, wotc hasnt been spoiling or updating on daily mtg for some reason, it all seems pretty wierd...
there are a lot of enchantments. There just enchantment creatures. Even so, I agree there could be more
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: prayos on September 16, 2013, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 12:49:15 AM
There are barely any enchantments which is wierd for an enchantment block, wotc hasnt been spoiling or updating on daily mtg for some reason, it all seems pretty wierd...

They don't spoil over the weekend. They have been spoiling for the last 2 weeks or so. I believe the whole set was released today.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: prayos on September 16, 2013, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on September 16, 2013, 12:49:15 AM
There are barely any enchantments which is wierd for an enchantment block, wotc hasnt been spoiling or updating on daily mtg for some reason, it all seems pretty wierd...

They don't spoil over the weekend. They have been spoiling for the last 2 weeks or so. I believe the whole set was released today.

Wotc announced the numbers of rares mythics and stuff and it doesnt match up with the set so far. Plus it has not been officialy confitmed by wizards
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MementoMori on September 16, 2013, 11:00:04 AM
The complete set is on the Wizards site now.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 17, 2013, 03:51:21 AM
Quote from: MementoMori on September 16, 2013, 11:00:04 AM
The complete set is on the Wizards site now.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/theros/cig#
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 12:39:59 PM
Why did they slip an affinity card in?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DirtyMustachio on September 17, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 12:39:59 PM
Why did they slip an affinity card in?

What has affinity

I'm a little irked that white has only 2 devotion cards Including the god
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on September 17, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 12:39:59 PM
Why did they slip an affinity card in?

What has affinity

I'm a little irked that white has only 2 devotion cards Including the god
the green creature that costs {1} less for every creature in your graveyard. That's shouting distance from affinity
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
{nemesis of mortals} and its monstrosity costs 1 less to use for each creature in your graveyard

And it gets 5 +1/+1 counters
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 17, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
{nemesis of mortals} and its monstrosity costs 1 less to use for each creature in your graveyard

And it gets 5 +1/+1 counters
That's op in modern.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 17, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
{nemesis of mortals} and its monstrosity costs 1 less to use for each creature in your graveyard

And it gets 5 +1/+1 counters
That's op in modern.
heres the kicker...it's an uncommon
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 17, 2013, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 17, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
{nemesis of mortals} and its monstrosity costs 1 less to use for each creature in your graveyard

And it gets 5 +1/+1 counters
That's op in modern.
heres the kicker...it's an uncommon
I know! Imagine if that was printed when Innistrad was still in!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 17, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
I think there testing the waters for different kinds of affinity, so they know whether they can bring it back nerfed or not
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Wackaman9001 on September 18, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
Anybody else surprised the intro packs have gos weapons? I'm glad since the 2 I want are the ones they included
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 18, 2013, 05:15:19 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on September 18, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
Anybody else surprised the intro packs have gos weapons? I'm glad since the 2 I want are the ones they included
Only the white/green one had a god's weapon in the decklists, {Bow of Nylea} and the B/U has the Whip
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1323
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Zellius on September 18, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
Agrus the B/U has the whip of eberos
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 18, 2013, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Zellius on September 18, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
Agrus the B/U has the whip of eberos
So it does...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 19, 2013, 09:11:21 AM
Wtf?! {gift of immortality} is in an intro pack!?!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on September 19, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 19, 2013, 09:11:21 AM
Wtf?! {gift of immortality} is in an intro pack!?!
yes! all the good things are in intro packs so they will be easy to get!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 10:41:22 AM
PRERELEASE IN 14 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!!!! Who's pumped???!!!!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: DYMongoose on September 20, 2013, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 10:41:22 AM
PRERELEASE IN 14 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!!!! Who's pumped???!!!!!

*raises hand*
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 11:34:52 AM
Quote from: DYMongoose on September 20, 2013, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 10:41:22 AM
PRERELEASE IN 14 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!!!! Who's pumped???!!!!!

Lol what colour are you playing?
*raises hand*
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 20, 2013, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 10:41:22 AM
PRERELEASE IN 14 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!!!! Who's pumped???!!!!!

YEAH!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 20, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: S717 on September 20, 2013, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 10:41:22 AM
PRERELEASE IN 14 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!!!! Who's pumped???!!!!!

YEAH!!
BOO!!! :P
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 12:29:41 PM
What colour are you all playing?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Millionlittlee on September 20, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.

A YouTube channel I'm subsribed to post a video this weekend. Impossibly priceless. Hint hint.  Lol ❤️
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.

Awesome just awesome!!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 20, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.

A YouTube channel I'm subsribed to post a video this weekend. Impossibly priceless. Hint hint.  Lol ❤️
Even if it's low quality we'll put a video out sunday night on our reactions to Theros.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 20, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 12:29:41 PM
What colour are you all playing?

White tomorrow, black on Sunday
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 20, 2013, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2013, 12:29:41 PM
What colour are you all playing?
me? I picked white this time
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 20, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
{inktreader nephilim} was heroic before it was cool 8)
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 20, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 20, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
{inktreader nephilim} was heroic before it was cool 8)

Lol wow, that thing turns  {Doom Blade} into a wrath
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: McAtoms on September 20, 2013, 04:55:13 PM
Going for black tonight and white or green for two-headed giant on Sunday.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Gorzo on September 20, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Good luck in the prereleases everyone!

I'm unstickying this, as it's been fully spoiled and it's about to be prerelease madness. But don't let that stop the conversation, keep chatting!
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 20, 2013, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: Potticus on September 20, 2013, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on September 20, 2013, 03:46:45 PM
Blue and then green.


They will also open 4 boxes of theros to sell singles and have packs to sell. That is all

That is not allowed. With prerelease materials NONE of it is allowed to be sold.


Really, I'll tell em not to sell the cards so ok.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 20, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
But anyways, theros looks really awesome to draft with
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: All-Mana Mania on September 21, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
Yea they didn't sell any. But I pulled 1 Thassa and 2 nylea today :>
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on September 21, 2013, 11:29:44 PM
No fair! I did pull a foil daxos...
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 22, 2013, 08:53:49 AM
I Pulled Fleecemane Lion, 2 bows, Elspeth, ashiok
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 22, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
My buddy pulled a foil ashiok
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Avnger345 on September 22, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Quote from: S717 on September 22, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
My buddy pulled a foil ashiok

Nice! A guy next to us pulled a ashiok and then a foil thoughtsieze in same pack.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: MarduArrow on September 23, 2013, 12:04:27 AM
I got a xenagos today
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 20, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.

A YouTube channel I'm subsribed to post a video this weekend. Impossibly priceless. Hint hint.  Lol ❤️
Even if it's low quality we'll put a video out sunday night on our reactions to Theros.

I call your lie and raise you two videos by Friday
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mattao19 on September 23, 2013, 02:13:39 AM
So what's your favorite card from prerelease weekend?
My vote (for limited only) is  {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver}
And your favourite card from the set?
My vote is  {Fleecemane Lion} like a 3/3 for 2 that can become 4/4 Hexproof and indestructible later is just awesome
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 23, 2013, 03:34:56 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 20, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.

A YouTube channel I'm subsribed to post a video this weekend. Impossibly priceless. Hint hint.  Lol ❤️
Even if it's low quality we'll put a video out sunday night on our reactions to Theros.

I call your lie and raise you two videos by Friday
I just now got home from the last event of the weekend. Im working on it now.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 05:14:56 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 23, 2013, 03:34:56 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 20, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 20, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
TODAY
7pm FNM -$5 from credit
Placing 4-1 or greater +$12 or even $21 to credit
SATURDAY
Midnight prerelease at different shop $25
Noon event at favored shop -$21 credit
7pm event at same shop -$21 credit
SUNDAY
Noon at a third shop -$17 credit and $8 cash

Opening roughly a box of Theros a week early for about $32 and the cost of food...almost priceless.

Having the whole weekend off and sleeping in monday...definately priceless.

A YouTube channel I'm subsribed to post a video this weekend. Impossibly priceless. Hint hint.  Lol ❤️
Even if it's low quality we'll put a video out sunday night on our reactions to Theros.

I call your lie and raise you two videos by Friday
I just now got home from the last event of the weekend. Im working on it now.
did you open anything good?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 23, 2013, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 05:14:56 AM
did you open anything good?
It's all in the video. Just went up. Im adding a short summary that touches on some more general topics. Quality is poor as this is a rush job.

45min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJlXR71Afk&feature=youtu.be

6min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAbM5_OdCIE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 05:55:18 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 23, 2013, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 05:14:56 AM
did you open anything good?
It's all in the video. Just went up. Im adding a short summary that touches on some more general topics. Quality is poor as this is a rush job.

45min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJlXR71Afk&feature=youtu.be

6min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAbM5_OdCIE&feature=youtu.be

im in the middle of the 45 minute one i clicked it before anything else lol
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 23, 2013, 06:09:52 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 05:55:18 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 23, 2013, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on September 23, 2013, 05:14:56 AM
did you open anything good?
It's all in the video. Just went up. Im adding a short summary that touches on some more general topics. Quality is poor as this is a rush job.

45min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJlXR71Afk&feature=youtu.be

6min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAbM5_OdCIE&feature=youtu.be

im in the middle of the 45 minute one i clicked it before anything else lol
Cool, I look forward to hearing what you think.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: That_Guy on September 26, 2013, 08:36:18 AM
What happened to that black scry thing everyone thought was op?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on September 26, 2013, 09:06:07 AM
{Read the Bones}?
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Birdbrain on September 26, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
Is ashiok a nod to innistrad? She's not from theros
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Spikepit on September 26, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
 {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver}

I dunno, she's not really wearing Innistradian garb. Might be from somewhere else again.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Kaleo42 on September 26, 2013, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 26, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
Is ashiok a nod to innistrad? She's not from theros
She looks pretty native to theros. She has a lot of the traits of a returned.
Title: Re: Theros (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)
Post by: Mlerner12 on October 26, 2013, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 26, 2013, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on September 26, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
Is ashiok a nod to innistrad? She's not from theros
She looks pretty native to theros. She has a lot of the traits of a returned.
She does look pretty Innistrad-y...