It's the last core set, here is what we know:
Spoilers: http://mythicspoiler.com/ori/index.html
Announcement Link: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/announcing-magic-origins-2015-02-08
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Lily, Jace, Gideon, Nissa, and Chandra confirmed, also 2 new mechanics, at least one of which involves planeswalker sparks in some way
LILLY REPRINT CONFIRMED
I'm sooo .loving. excited!!!!!
JTMS REPRINT CONFIRMED
{Island} REPRINT CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
It's origins. Like, actual origins. Look how young Jace is!
Love the concept, lets hope of the veil isn't reprinted that fast. Current standard would be OP for bug walkers if we had of the veil and vess
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on February 08, 2015, 02:39:12 PM
Love the concept, lets hope of the veil isn't reprinted that fast. Current standard would be OP for bug walkers if we had of the veil and vess
I'm all for BUG walkers being OP...
Nah cuz then everyone plays my deck :P
I played a mirror recently and he was just piloting the scg winner deck. My build rocked his ;)
Oh and the whole bug walkers deck is rising, deck went from 350 avg to 425 avg! That's not even counting swag factor
{ashiok nightmare weaver}
{thoughtseize}
{liliana Vess}
{ugin spirit dragon}
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on February 08, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
Nah cuz then everyone plays my deck :P
I played a mirror recently and he was just piloting the scg winner deck. My build rocked his ;)
Oh and the whole bug walkers deck is rising, deck went from 350 avg to 425 avg! That's not even counting swag factor
{ashiok nightmare weaver}
{thoughtseize}
{liliana Vess}
{ugin spirit dragon}
I've been playing your list on Untap. I quite like it.
Awesome!
Here is the announcement link, it is also in the OP: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/announcing-magic-origins-2015-02-08
Lily, Jace, Chandra, Gideon, and Nissa are all going to be printed as non-PW. But judging from the spoiled Lily art they might print both.
What if we got a JTMS reprint AND a lily reprint. *shivers*
If that happens I may go for broke and buy a case
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on February 08, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
What if we got a JTMS reprint AND a lily reprint. *shivers*
If that happens, do you think packs would go for MSRP then?
Quote from: rarehuntertay on February 08, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on February 08, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
What if we got a JTMS reprint AND a lily reprint. *shivers*
If that happens, do you think packs would go for MSRP then?
Yes. Magic: Origins is a regular set, it doesn't have a restricted supply like Modern Masters and stores wouldn't be able to successfully increase the price because you could always just go to a Big Box store and get them. That said, there is approximately a .001% chance JTMS ending up this set.
Oooh releases on my birthday
Quote from: bravado883 on February 08, 2015, 04:41:46 PM
The girl in the white dress has to be Elspeth right?
Nope, as GlowackAttack pointed out, it is Liliana before she got her spark (and presumably before she sold her soul to demons), and when she was a healer.
I highly doubt you'll see a {Liliana of the Veil} reprint here with it being an origin story.
I really like he set symbol 😜
May be the "spark" ability will let you search your library or other zones for a PW of same name.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 08, 2015, 05:18:57 PM
Also, the two images of "elspeth" and Lilian are actually 2 pictures of liliana, it's before she died or whatever and after Hence the reasoning for her Origins
oh my lord. They're gonna be flip csrds. Starting as legendaries, and then they flip into PWs!!!! The mechanics will be along the lines of "if you control a planeswalker... so and such" , much like lieutenant.
My guess is probably not. It is still a core set, so they do still want to keep things relatively simple. Although I do hope I'm wrong
I agree with the Legendary creature then flip concept. But unless I'm wrong Chandra had no powers until she awakened her spark... Other note, if it's a legendary creature then flip, they're all going to be EDH legal and expand on the PW commanders.
This is just... Amazing
I'm so stoked
Since it's Origins... Yawgmoth!!!! Bring it!!!
Quote from: rarehuntertay on February 09, 2015, 06:31:54 AM
Since it's Origins... Yawgmoth!!!! Bring it!!!
Vs Urza, Planeswalker!
The only thing is, is that if they printed Urza he'd have to be 15 mana ... Bc he's way too powerful for anything
I think after ugin we are all down for a crazy cmc PW
+1 create a 2/2 artifact token, it has flying
+1 target permanent is now artifact, permanents with shroud and Hexproof may be targeted by this effect
-4 Exile all artifacts
-9 Exile all permanents other than urza from the battlefield, at the end of each turn, return a permanent exiled by Urza back to the battlefield under your control, it is also an artifact.
That would be fun :)
I think it's just going to be origin of the five Lorwyn pw
But you guys are missing one thing
If it's the origin of these particular pw than this set is most likely pre mending
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on February 09, 2015, 05:44:57 PM
I think it's just going to be origin of the five Lorwyn pw
But you guys are missing one thing
If it's the origin of these particular pw than this set is most likely pre mending
The five walkers are gideon, nissa, liliana, jace, and chandra
Okay so... Minus... Garruk and ajani lol, still gotta be pre mending
You know what would be so janky but so cool? Legendary creature forms of Jace, Lily, and such that flip to their planes walker form like the mechanic in Innistrad.
Quote from: Taysby on February 10, 2015, 12:22:03 AM
So since its origins... P9 reprint confirmed!
One could wish lol
Quote from: Taysby on February 10, 2015, 12:22:03 AM
So since its origins... P9 reprint confirmed!
Before it was p9
White lotus {1}
{W} Sacrifice white lotus, add 3 colorless to your mana pool
Unpolished Emerald {G}
{T} to add {1} to your mana pool
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on February 10, 2015, 04:53:21 AM
Quote from: Taysby on February 10, 2015, 12:22:03 AM
So since its origins... P9 reprint confirmed!
Before it was p9
White lotus {1}
{W} Sacrifice white lotus, add 3 colorless to your mana pool
Unpolished Emerald {G}
{T} to add {1} to your mana pool
"Shut up and take my money!"
:P
Ew Gideon
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 12, 2015, 08:58:45 AM
5 confirmed walkers are Gideon, Jace. Liliana, Chandra, nissa. not lorwyn 5
These 5 go with the board game that's coming out too.
Isn't it ironic.
Don't you think.
Cool, I might actually get a {Nissa Revane} Finally. Lol
Quote from: Spikepit on February 12, 2015, 06:39:43 PM
Cool, I might actually get a {Nissa Revane} Finally. Lol
Oh god no. That has to be in the bottom 2 planeswalkers ever, just barely ahead of (or maybe even behind) {Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded}.
Why do you think it irks me that I don't have one yet! Lol
Anyone else here think {Birds of paradise} needs to be printed in standard?
Quote from: Skullguy725 on February 12, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
Anyone else here think {Birds of paradise} needs to be printed in standard?
No. Not in any which way shape or form. {Birds of Paradise} is arguably the best mana dork ever.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 12, 2015, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on February 12, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
Anyone else here think {Birds of paradise} needs to be printed in standard?
No. Not in any which way shape or form. {Birds of Paradise} is arguably the best mana dork ever.
Yep, Wizards, in their crusade to make standard horrible and add no good cards to any other format, has deemed that one drop mana dorks are too strong and from now on they are aiming for two mana dorks with an upside instead, see {Sylvan Caryatid} and {Whisperer of the Wilds}. (This isn't made up just so I can rant about Wizards, Mark said this himself (in different words of course)).
Quote from: Spikepit on February 12, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
Why do you think it irks me that I don't have one yet! Lol
I got a zen one available boobies and all
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on February 12, 2015, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on February 12, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
Why do you think it irks me that I don't have one yet! Lol
I got a zen one available boobies and all
Damn American censorship!!!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on February 12, 2015, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 12, 2015, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on February 12, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
Anyone else here think {Birds of paradise} needs to be printed in standard?
No. Not in any which way shape or form. {Birds of Paradise} is arguably the best mana dork ever.
Yep, Wizards, in their crusade to make standard horrible and add no good cards to any other format, has deemed that one drop mana dorks are too strong and from now on they are aiming for two mana dorks with an upside instead, see {Sylvan Caryatid} and {Whisperer of the Wilds}. (This isn't made up just so I can rant about Wizards, Mark said this himself (in different words of course)).
I mean, what's the worst it will do to the meta? Make green ramp a little more diverse?
What is everything with this time change on Tarkir effected everything in the Multiverse? Where everything got flipped upside down? Could be the Origin of an entirely new multiverse....
Just my thought
Quote from: Noblellama on February 13, 2015, 02:52:09 PM
So the Lorwyn 5
Jace
Liliana
Chandra
Garruk (no longer veil cursed???)
Ajani
Wait, no, here is my thought, when they first debuted the board game last year they did not show the white walker, now is the because at the time they did not know who it was to be?
The Lorwyn 5 would make it Ajani, some speculated the return of Elspeth, but Gideon? Why Gideon????
What makes Gideon the choice for a white Walker other than the one off comment that people had trouble identifying with him because he is not human?
That is my question...
I read something on Quiet Speculation about Nissa and Gideon being in the set...they didn't go into much detail on it though. I like Gideon...
Quote from: Estel2931 on February 13, 2015, 02:57:59 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on February 13, 2015, 02:52:09 PM
So the Lorwyn 5
Jace
Liliana
Chandra
Garruk (no longer veil cursed???)
Ajani
Wait, no, here is my thought, when they first debuted the board game last year they did not show the white walker, now is the because at the time they did not know who it was to be?
The Lorwyn 5 would make it Ajani, some speculated the return of Elspeth, but Gideon? Why Gideon????
What makes Gideon the choice for a white Walker other than the one off comment that people had trouble identifying with him because he is not human?
That is my question...
I read something on Quiet Speculation about Nissa and Gideon being in the set...they didn't go into much detail on it though. I like Gideon...
Yes, the planeswalkers are: Gideon, Jace, Liliana, Chandra, and Nissa. The art was shown on the Pro Tour and it also coordinates with the new game.
Because white men must be repped
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 13, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
Gideon was obviously a soldier or some varation. But we don't know his back story that well... so that's why. Plus he is in the new board game so it ties in very well For marketing purposes, also... aJani has had a lot of recent support for his back story
Very good point mate! I suppose that's why they put Jace in too... (http://gif.co/pf1S.gif)
I know he's in because of marketing, but we already know everything about him! I would have much preferred {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}, who we know nothing about!
#givejacearest
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Gideon_Jura
Quote from: Spikepit on February 13, 2015, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 13, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
Gideon was obviously a soldier or some varation. But we don't know his back story that well... so that's why. Plus he is in the new board game so it ties in very well For marketing purposes, also... aJani has had a lot of recent support for his back story
Very good point mate! I suppose that's why try putHace in too... (http://gif.co/pf1S.gif)
I know he's in because of marketing, but already know everything about him! I would have much preferred {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}, who know nothing about!
#givejacearest
SPIKE STOP WITH THE GIFS I CANT STOP GIVING YOU KARMA
Each of the five Planeswalkers featured in Magic Origins has an accompanying backstory, and that backstory will be told in a variety of ways.
Stories on the web: Around the release of Magic Origins, we'll publish the five official origin stories on DailyMTG.com, each one telling the tale of how those characters came to be Planeswalkers. These narratives were written by members of Magic R&D's creative team.
Magic Origins cards: You'll see cards in Magic Origins that tie to crucial moments in each Planeswalker's origin story. In addition to planeswalker cards, Planeswalker-associated spells, and legendary creatures, some cards will show glimpses of the Planeswalkers' home planes and first-planeswalk planes.
Magic Origins Prerelease boxes: There will also be quick-to-read summaries of the Planeswalkers' stories, hitting the highlights of each character's story using important Magic Origins cards, in the booklets included in your box at Magic Origins Prereleases.
So prerelease, we get to pick by color I guess.
Quote from: Avnger345 on February 27, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
So prerelease, we get to pick by color I guess.
By Planeswalker.
I'm calling {Tarmogoyf}
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 27, 2015, 03:59:32 PM
I'm calling reprint of moxen while we are at it.... they wouldn't put goyf in standard. If anythibe they'd put it in MM2. I HOPE
I don't think they'd put it into standard with the fetches right now
Quote from: Munchlax on February 27, 2015, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 27, 2015, 03:59:32 PM
I'm calling reprint of moxen while we are at it.... they wouldn't put goyf in standard. If anythibe they'd put it in MM2. I HOPE
I don't think they'd put it into standard with the fetches right now
They'd only overlap for 3-4 months or so while there is "super standard". It wouldn't break the format.
This just popped up as further explanation, of sorts, of the intention of the set (and MtG as whole story) trajectory.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/whats-story-magic-origins-2015-02-27
Quote from: Spikepit on March 02, 2015, 03:53:14 AM
This just popped up as further explanation, of sorts, of the intention of the set (and MtG as whole story) trajectory.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/whats-story-magic-origins-2015-02-27
Huh. Zendikar was mentioned. Maybe we'll get some full art basics again.
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 03, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on March 02, 2015, 03:53:14 AM
This just popped up as further explanation, of sorts, of the intention of the set (and MtG as whole story) trajectory.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/whats-story-magic-origins-2015-02-27
Huh. Zendikar was mentioned. Maybe we'll get some full art basics again.
Along with 9 other unmentioned planes. I wouldn't bank on this being the spot for full art lands.
But zendikar has been mentioned and therefore confirmed we are getting fetches, eldrazi and every other card we couldn't get because we got into magic a few years after zendikar or whatever set you're stroking
Quote from: Cender on March 03, 2015, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 03, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on March 02, 2015, 03:53:14 AM
This just popped up as further explanation, of sorts, of the intention of the set (and MtG as whole story) trajectory.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/whats-story-magic-origins-2015-02-27
Huh. Zendikar was mentioned. Maybe we'll get some full art basics again.
Along with 9 other unmentioned planes. I wouldn't bank on this being the spot for full art lands.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 03, 2015, 04:24:03 PM
But zendikar has been mentioned and therefore confirmed we are getting fetches, eldrazi and every other card we couldn't get because we got into magic a few years after zendikar or whatever set you're stroking
Just speculation, guys. I'm not counting on Origins having full art basics
Double faced cards confirmed!
Dfcs for legendary toplaneswalkers confirmed. Liliana, Heretical Healer flips to Liliana, Defiant Necromancer
Do we have pictures?
Pics are up on mythic spoiler already and I've added the link to the OP.
I want a Lili so bad!!!
Nice. Just spotted the lili on spoilers. Start out as a legendary creature, so can be a commander right?
That lili seems schweet. Think it'll push out "of the veil"? Seems better than lily otv most of the time.
No. She is not better than {Liliana of the Veil}.
Firstly because of the flip trigger. If you want Liliana you probably don't want a 2/3 lifelink. Which is an okay body for {1}{B}{B} but it's harshly overshadowed by {Vampire Nighthawk} in any eternal format. If your opponent is going to be killing one of your creatures, odds are it'll be Liliana instead of setting up you flipping her. Of course you can get one of your own creatures killed, but unless you devote resources to it (therefore changing the deck from what {Liliana of the Veil} is in and kinda ruining the point altogether) it's a hiccup. And if you do devote resources to it then your overall investment becomes more than {1}{B}{B} and a card. The point I'm making is you'd rather cast {Lilians of the Veil} instead of shifting or making a deck for {Liliana Heretical Healer}.
They have identical first abilities except that {Liliana, Defiant Necromancer} builds 2 at a time. A small edge compared to the previous paragraph. But not something to forget. We all know the power of building two at a time instead of one. ({Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver}, {Ugin, the Spirit Dragon}, {Venser, the Sojourner}).
The middle ability. The reason {Liliana of the Veil} is so revered /is that middle ability/. It is extremely valuable to be able to take down a hexproof, indestructible or other resilient threat and keep going. {Liliana, Defiant Necromancer} is a different can of worms intierly. I'd like to say I like it, but it's too weak. If you do it the first turn you can you get a creature with CMC 3 or less. If you go for 3 you lose Liliana which seems like a very poor investment. It does synergies with the first ability but the overall investment and non-legendary clause mean if you're running her for that you should just use {Zombify} or something similar. I may be wrong here but this is just how I see it.
Embleming {Grave Betrayl}? And on ALL creatures? I'm shocked there isn't an opponents clause. {Liliana of the Veil}'s ult is very solid as well, though. However for my personal taste I'd rather build around {Liliana, Defiant Necromancer} as it'll be more fun. However {Liliana of the Veil} is going to be more relevant generally.
The verdict: {Liliana Heretical Healer} is not and won't be what {Liliana of the Veil} is. They are different cards. I think {Liliana Heretical Healer} will make a very fun deck, but I do not see it having impacts on Modern or any other eternal format unless some insane synergetic/combo cards are printed/found to push her power levels into the WOW range. Currently I don't think she'll see much play, even in standard.
She will, however, be a great EDH deck. Focus on a sac theme and run after that emblem. She's also looking at a slot in Sac N Grab decks.
All in all I like her, she just isn't a 5 star card.
I was thinking any black deck running {Cabal Therapy} would love her. She is more deck specific I suppose but I think she's going to be really good!
Wtf? I thought that WotC said no more flip cards?
Quote from: NovusOrbis on February 10, 2015, 12:04:56 AM
You know what would be so janky but so cool? Legendary creature forms of Jace, Lily, and such that flip to their planes walker form like the mechanic in Innistrad.
Lol I called it and got negged for it! New Lilly looks fun though!
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 07, 2015, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 08, 2015, 05:18:57 PM
Also, the two images of "elspeth" and Lilian are actually 2 pictures of liliana, it's before she died or whatever and after Hence the reasoning for her Origins
oh my lord. They're gonna be flip csrds. Starting as legendaries, and then they flip into PWs!!!! The mechanics will be along the lines of "if you control a planeswalker... so and such" , much like lieutenant.Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 08, 2015, 05:13:38 PM
Legendary planeswalkers, I'm calling it now. Jace won't be a p-w but a legendary...
but I called it first ;-)
Indeed ;) and I got negged again
Quote from: NovusOrbis on March 07, 2015, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 07, 2015, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 08, 2015, 05:18:57 PM
Also, the two images of "elspeth" and Lilian are actually 2 pictures of liliana, it's before she died or whatever and after Hence the reasoning for her Origins
oh my lord. They're gonna be flip csrds. Starting as legendaries, and then they flip into PWs!!!! The mechanics will be along the lines of "if you control a planeswalker... so and such" , much like lieutenant.Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 08, 2015, 05:13:38 PM
Legendary planeswalkers, I'm calling it now. Jace won't be a p-w but a legendary...
but I called it first ;-)
Indeed ;) and I got negged again
I seconded it. :3
Oh.. Flipwalkers... Sigh lol
Real or fake?
http://m.imgur.com/UgUNII2
Quote from: particle on May 04, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
Real or fake?
http://m.imgur.com/UgUNII2
Leaning towards fake. I like it except that the middle ability sucks.
Quote from: particle on May 04, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
Real or fake?
http://m.imgur.com/UgUNII2
Page not found :(
I feel like everything with it looked fine except the actual art of creature Chandra was really bad. You can barely tell there is a creature in there.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on May 04, 2015, 03:32:48 PM
Image existed earlier, was a Chandra flip walker
1RR
2/2
Tap, ping one damage to creature or player.
when you cast red spell, untap chaNdra.
if chandra deals 3 damage to a player in a turn, flip her.
+ deal 2 damage to a player
- deal some amage to a creature
- - deals 6 damage to all players, they get emblem that says " deal 3 damage to them at upkeep."
LOL, seems like it could be remotely playable, can't be real!
Hmmm... Cast her turn 3. Attack turn 4, then cast a red spell, then ping... Then flip
Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 04, 2015, 08:26:10 PM
Hmmm... Cast her turn 3. Attack turn 4, then cast a red spell, then ping... Then flip
Then two more damage with her +, I like the sound of it
Until she takes a {searing blood} to the face
When do spoilers start?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 21, 2015, 07:15:42 PM
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When do spoilers start?
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When do spoilers start?
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Get on my level.
I'm actually getting negged for this 😜
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This forum has gone downhill :(
The users are what make it
(So blame yourself)
"Users"
More than one. Blame everyone.
So I changed my user name on my second Clas of Clans account to "Darth Sidious"
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So I changed my user name on my second Clas of Clans account to "Darth Sidious"
Ok....
Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 23, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
So I changed my user name on my second Clas of Clans account to "Darth Sidious"
We have beautiful chat threads like in fun section we have: last post wins.
Let's try to keep this clean for when there's actually something to say about Origins?
Slightly OT: read DotP: origins will be FTP with 100% unlock-by-play content. Looks like wizards noticed the success of HS?
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Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 23, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
So I changed my user name on my second Clas of Clans account to "Darth Sidious"
We have beautiful chat threads like in fun section we have: last post wins.
Let's try to keep this clean for when there's actually something to say about Origins?
Slightly OT: read DotP: origins will be FTP with 100% unlock-by-play content. Looks like wizards noticed the success of HS?
Too. Many. Acronyms 😖
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 26, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Hearthstone is actually pretty sweet, I got addicted recently.
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Quote from: Kaylesh on May 26, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Hearthstone is actually pretty sweet, I got addicted recently.
The game balance is frustrating. You can have a well constructed deck and just get wrecked by somebody just because they have legendaries.
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Quote from: Kaylesh on May 26, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Hearthstone is actually pretty sweet, I got addicted recently.
The game balance is frustrating. You can have a well constructed deck and just get wrecked by somebody just because they have legendaries.
Most legendaries are bad. In fact if this is your outlook on the game watch Kripparian's Hearthstone Pay2Lose video
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Quote from: Kaylesh on May 26, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Hearthstone is actually pretty sweet, I got addicted recently.
The game balance is frustrating. You can have a well constructed deck and just get wrecked by somebody just because they have legendaries.
Most legendaries are bad. In fact if this is your outlook on the game watch Kripparian's Hearthstone Pay2Lose video
Link? I'm speaking from experience of winning the game till they drop a legendary turns 6-9 and I lose. Very interested in seeing what I can do about this.
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Quote from: Kaylesh on May 26, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Hearthstone is actually pretty sweet, I got addicted recently.
The game balance is frustrating. You can have a well constructed deck and just get wrecked by somebody just because they have legendaries.
Most legendaries are bad. In fact if this is your outlook on the game watch Kripparian's Hearthstone Pay2Lose video
Link? I'm speaking from experience of winning the game till they drop a legendary turns 6-9 and I lose. Very interested in seeing what I can do about this.
{Karakas}, bounce that legendary yo!
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Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 26, 2015, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 26, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
The annual video game release, duels of the planeswalkers. The 2016 edition, called Origins, will be free to play. Wizards' hearthstone??
Hearthstone is actually pretty sweet, I got addicted recently.
The game balance is frustrating. You can have a well constructed deck and just get wrecked by somebody just because they have legendaries.
Most legendaries are bad. In fact if this is your outlook on the game watch Kripparian's Hearthstone Pay2Lose video
Link? I'm speaking from experience of winning the game till they drop a legendary turns 6-9 and I lose. Very interested in seeing what I can do about this.
{Karakas}, bounce that legendary yo!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXmjZwG44U
There Ya go
So unconfirmed spoiler:
{hixus, prison warden} 3 {W} {W}
Legendary Creature
Flash
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to you, if hixus etb-ed this turn, exile that creature until hixus leaves the battlefield.
Rest of the card is cut off so no p/t.
Thoughts?
Quote from: particle on May 27, 2015, 09:12:00 AM
So unconfirmed spoiler:
{hixus, prison warden} 3 {W} {W}
Legendary Creature
Flash
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to you, if hixus etb-ed this turn, exile that creature until hixus leaves the battlefield.
Rest of the card is cut off so no p/t.
Thoughts?
Seems like a decent EDH general
If he like, dies to {lightning bolt}....
Just kidding, but his survivability is pretty much a factor. You don't want to cast this dude just so your opponent can just recycle his etbs and flip up all his morphs right?
If he can survive until your own combat phase, it offers options.
I mean seems bad to me but I just hate paying 5 mana for stuff that isn't card draw lol
Plus Spear of Heliod is similar and it doesn't see play
I read somewhere that his P/T will be like {Keldon Warlord}, where * is equal to the damage you took...
Agree with llama. Rather pay {G} for a {fog} and then whomp back with all his attackers tapped.
If he prevented the damage we'd be in buisness.
He's a new commander for that oblivion ring tribal EDH deck.
Quote from: Noblellama on May 27, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 27, 2015, 05:33:10 PM
If he prevented the damage we'd be in buisness.
this!!!
imagine if he flashed in to prevent damage and p/t was = damage prevented THEN we would have a beast
you attack with how many sliver/elf/infinite bullshit? cool, this dude, have a nice day
Sitting in the command zone like "come at me bro." Would be a badass card.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on May 27, 2015, 05:56:22 PM
Hell, even if it was just
2GW
2/2
flash
When it enters, prevent all combat damage that would be felt this turn
I'd play him
Me too probably.
That Liliana though.... So going into my Alesha TL
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 27, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
I mean seems bad to me but I just hate paying 5 mana for stuff that isn't card draw lol
Plus Spear of Heliod is similar and it doesn't see play
Spear taps to destroy one creature and has to target...
Quote from: Noblellama on May 27, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 27, 2015, 05:33:10 PM
If he prevented the damage we'd be in buisness.
Bye bye splinter twin's friends. (If they're smart they won't attack with the original.
this!!!
imagine if he flashed in to prevent damage and p/t was = damage prevented THEN we would have a beast
you attack with how many sliver/elf/infinite bullshit? cool, this dude, have a nice day
I'm not sure what to react on, but {splinter twin}?
The guy is legendary.
Oh, w8 nvm... Twin can actually copy legendaries.
However, state based actions being checked before you get priority, would his etb even trigger?
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 28, 2015, 07:16:25 AM
I'm not sure what to react on, but {splinter twin}?
The guy is legendary.
Oh, w8 nvm... Twin can actually copy legendaries.
However, state based actions being checked before you get priority, would his etb even trigger?
Yes. He has to enter the battlefield for the state based action to even occur.
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 28, 2015, 07:16:25 AM
I'm not sure what to react on, but {splinter twin}?
The guy is legendary.
Oh, w8 nvm... Twin can actually copy legendaries.
However, state based actions being checked before you get priority, would his etb even trigger?
The fact that state based actions are checked and may change things does not mean the game won't see the necessary conditions met for a trigger and then let the player trigger them. A player can't put those triggers on to the stack until he or she next receives priority but the trigger isnt negated by state based actions changing the boardstate. Both players can have triggers waiting to go on the stack while state based actions are happening.
Quote from: particle on May 28, 2015, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 28, 2015, 07:16:25 AM
I'm not sure what to react on, but {splinter twin}?
The guy is legendary.
Oh, w8 nvm... Twin can actually copy legendaries.
However, state based actions being checked before you get priority, would his etb even trigger?
The fact that state based actions are checked and may change things does not mean the game won't see the necessary conditions met for a trigger and then let the player trigger them. A player can't put those triggers on to the stack until he or she next receives priority but the trigger isnt negated by state based actions changing the boardstate. Both players can have triggers waiting to go on the stack while state based actions are happening.
Tx for clearing it up.
Quote from: particle on May 28, 2015, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 28, 2015, 07:16:25 AM
I'm not sure what to react on, but {splinter twin}?
The guy is legendary.
Oh, w8 nvm... Twin can actually copy legendaries.
However, state based actions being checked before you get priority, would his etb even trigger?
The fact that state based actions are checked and may change things does not mean the game won't see the necessary conditions met for a trigger and then let the player trigger them. A player can't put those triggers on to the stack until he or she next receives priority but the trigger isnt negated by state based actions changing the boardstate. Both players can have triggers waiting to go on the stack while state based actions are happening.
What I meant was, if he had a built in fog and became as big as the number of creatures he exiled, he'd be good against splinter twin decks. Not to splinter twin himself.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on May 28, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
If he just fogged he'd be instantly playable. like if it was "exile any number of attacking creatures"...except he woukd be a cheaper version of that angel yhat foes it. {angel of the dire hour} or whatevs
That's dirty....
Waaaaaaaat. Gideon is from theerrrrrooooosssss?
http://imgur.com/xJWURYH
Oh snap! Lily is from the Nexus of the Multiverse!!
Anyone else getting a Power Ranger/Super Sentai feel from that image with the nonwalkers and walkers?
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 04, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
Waaaaaaaat. Gideon is from theerrrrrooooosssss?
http://imgur.com/xJWURYH
Yup. I believe they retconned that from some other unknown plane, but they hinted at it on the flavor text of that RW Strive spell from JOU. {Desperate Stand}
Quote from: Noblellama on June 04, 2015, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 04, 2015, 10:32:04 AM
Oh snap! Lily is from the Nexus of the Multiverse!!
Dominaria FTW!!!
I feel kinda bad for Liliana, I don't know what time period of dominaria she is from but it has seen some .poo. so who knows how bad things were while she was there, then she ignites and where does she walk to? The mother F-ing dark horror world of Innistraad. No wonder she is messed up and a pure {B} made, I claim she is a victim of her circumstances (;) )
Also, Kaladesh, Regatha and Vryn are new places to go :)
Regatha and Vryn were both shown on Planechase cards, and references to at least Regatha have been made in the lore. I don't recall if there was anything about Kaladesh, though.
Quote from: Brawler_1337 on June 04, 2015, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 04, 2015, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 04, 2015, 10:32:04 AM
Oh snap! Lily is from the Nexus of the Multiverse!!
Dominaria FTW!!!
I feel kinda bad for Liliana, I don't know what time period of dominaria she is from but it has seen some .poo. so who knows how bad things were while she was there, then she ignites and where does she walk to? The mother F-ing dark horror world of Innistraad. No wonder she is messed up and a pure {B} made, I claim she is a victim of her circumstances (;) )
Also, Kaladesh, Regatha and Vryn are new places to go :)
Regatha and Vryn were both shown on Planechase cards, and references to at least Regatha have been made in the lore. I don't recall if there was anything about Kaladesh, though.
Except that fire magic is banned
Kaladesh rings nothing but a WoW bell to me.
Blood elf greeting: Kaladesh malanor.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 04, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
Waaaaaaaat. Gideon is from theerrrrrooooosssss?
http://imgur.com/xJWURYH
What a boring place to be :(
Well, it looks like Scry, Prowess and Menace (can't be blocked except by two or more creatures) are going evergreen. If any of the walkers in this set had been to Mirrodin, I'd speculate a Serum Visions reprint in Origins, buuuuuut, I'm pretty sure none of hem have.
I cannot wait until preorders start!!!
Goodbye land walk. You will not be missed
Quote from: Cender on June 08, 2015, 10:48:38 AM
Goodbye land walk. You will not be missed
But I love {Aysen Highway}!! Lol
Spoilers coming in.
Love the flavor text on Reave Soul
{Lightning Javelin} is horrible. {Bolt of Keranos} was cheaper and does the same thing. In limited it's a burn card so it'll be good but in constructed {Cunning Strike} is better.
So far i am very dissapointeed from the recent spoilers. Some of the stuff has had good flavor but none of the recent cards have stood out to me.
People already miss modern masters
Did anyone see the crappy mythic Dragon?
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 08, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
I cannot wait until preorders start!!!
eBay has preorders on boxes already.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 09, 2015, 10:03:19 AM
I'm not so sure that dragon is crappy man. It's at the high end of an aggro curve--I can definitely see a slightly more robust mono-red aggro deck playing this as a curve topper. In that deck it's basically {Outpost Siege} on a big-ass evasive body. The discard doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure I'LL never play with it, but I bet it does see constructed play.
End step in response to the trigger kill it
Quote from: bravado883 on June 09, 2015, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on June 09, 2015, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on June 09, 2015, 10:03:19 AM
I'm not so sure that dragon is crappy man. It's at the high end of an aggro curve--I can definitely see a slightly more robust mono-red aggro deck playing this as a curve topper. In that deck it's basically {Outpost Siege} on a big-ass evasive body. The discard doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure I'LL never play with it, but I bet it does see constructed play.
End step in response to the trigger kill it
So what? I have to discard my empty hand or these extra mountains I'm holding? It's the top of an aggro or burn deck, and it seems pretty clear you don't play the card with a full grip. Someone who plays lots of red decks want to weigh in on this? I could be wrong here, but a 4/4 evasive creature that generates card advantage (essentially) for free in a color that wants it seems good to me.
That's the point it's only good if it is the last good card in your hand. Which can happen but it can be a bad draw a lot of the time
Don't play with 4. I could see 2, maybe 3 but doubt that.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 09, 2015, 05:43:06 PM
I keep looking at the spoiler list and wondering that maybe they are spoiling the crap first and saving the good stuff for the end?
Keep in mind almost all the spoiled stuff is going in the 30 card "starter" decks. The most basic of the basic.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 09, 2015, 05:43:06 PM
I keep looking at the spoiler list and wondering that maybe they are spoiling the crap first and saving the good stuff for the end?
It is a Core Set after all...
Quote from: Noblellama on June 09, 2015, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 09, 2015, 06:08:12 PM
Guys... they spoiled 30 commons.... chill out, there will be more wonderful cards. There have been no rares and only 2 mythics. There's a lot more goodies
Its all crap!!
*throws all the cards and rage quits magic*
*comes back and picks up all the cards and starts sorting them back into order...*
And I silently creep in and snatch up all the lilianas without you knowing
They spoiled the PT of Hixus, the white legendary dude that exiles stuff. Turns out he's a 4/4. What do you guys think about his playability now?
Quote from: Lord of the Flying Guinea-Potatoes on June 10, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
They spoiled the PT of Hixus, the white legendary dude that exiles stuff. Turns out he's a 4/4. What do you guys think about his playability now?
0 standard modern and legacy play. He's a joke in those formats.
I don't think he can command his own EDH deck very well either. He seems solid in sisay though.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 10, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Anyone else feel like wizards is punishing us?
We got a peek at the prison ward dude, so they are like "today you get a whole bunch of bad and reprinted commons and uncommons, and a questionable mythic to go with" and then the next day is "well here is the rest of that card you knew about" and today its nothing...
I do feel that overall there is less coverage. Wasn't into spoiler season with M15, though. Is it usual for a core set to get less press?
Meeeeeh
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on June 10, 2015, 09:58:54 AM
Quote from: Lord of the Flying Guinea-Potatoes on June 10, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
They spoiled the PT of Hixus, the white legendary dude that exiles stuff. Turns out he's a 4/4. What do you guys think about his playability now?
0 standard modern and legacy play. He's a joke in those formats.
I don't think he can command his own EDH deck very well either. He seems solid in sisay though.
If only he prevented the damage...
I can see him as a nice intimidator sitting in the command zone but that's it. It's one of those cards that I want to like but it's just..not that good.
I love Chandra's back story...
Can't wait to see her card
I'm hoping for a sac outlet t1/2 for lili for t3 flip
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 10, 2015, 02:03:38 PM
I'm hoping for a sac outlet t1/2 for lili for t3 flip
Oh lili is going in my Alesha TL...
It's going to be interesting...
Confirmed on Twitter - no {Serum Visions} in origins
Quote from: Cender on June 11, 2015, 10:03:32 AM
Confirmed on Twitter - no {Serum Visions} in origins
Keep rising you beautiful bastage. Up to $12 now.
Quote from: Deebiia on June 11, 2015, 12:35:37 PM
Quote from: Cender on June 11, 2015, 10:03:32 AM
Confirmed on Twitter - no {Serum Visions} in origins
Keep rising you beautiful bastage. Up to $12 now.
I remember getting mine for $2 :D so happy :P
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 11, 2015, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 11, 2015, 12:35:37 PM
Quote from: Cender on June 11, 2015, 10:03:32 AM
Confirmed on Twitter - no {Serum Visions} in origins
Keep rising you beautiful bastage. Up to $12 now.
I remember getting mine for $2 :D so happy :P
Same, but then I sold mine for 5 :(
This week wasn't really supposed to be spoiler week. They decided to release the evergreen announcement and the 30 card deck lists ahead of time so everyone would have a chance to come to terms with the news about prowess/menace/Scry.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 12, 2015, 08:48:55 AM
How do you guys feel about the change? I'm personally ambivalent (mostly, I'm pretty stoked about scry being evergreen), but when I read the article by MaRo about why they made the changes the reasons seem really weak. "What do you do if your opponent's creatures have landwalk and you have the appropriate land. Not play basic land?" I was thinking "uh...kill it with something?" Same with intimidate--seems the reasoning is "sometimes it's really good and sometimes it's really bad." To me that makes for interesting deckbuilding decisions.
The thing with limited is that removal is scarce. One {Krenko's Inforcer} can and will win you a game sometimes, and there's nothing like losing to that. I personally always played red/artifacts and backed off from blue during M15 because I was sick of getting island walk/intimidated to death. R/B were the colors to play.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/evergreen-eggs-ham-2015-06-08
For those who haven't seen the evergreen update and explanation from Maro.
Quote from: Noblellama on May 04, 2015, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: particle on May 04, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
Real or fake?
http://m.imgur.com/UgUNII2
If so it is very convincing
The set symbol, lettering, numbering and format look legit, art is unizque (not from elsewhere) though the primary art looks odd. and the font for the flip side leaves me feeling like it is slightly off...
Well sorry to pull this back up again but Mari may have confirmed the front side of the Chandra on his Tumblr
Quote from: Munchlax on June 12, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on May 04, 2015, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: particle on May 04, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
Real or fake?
http://m.imgur.com/UgUNII2
If so it is very convincing
The set symbol, lettering, numbering and format look legit, art is unizque (not from elsewhere) though the primary art looks odd. and the font for the flip side leaves me feeling like it is slightly off...
Well sorry to pull this back up again but Mari may have confirmed the front side of the Chandra on his Tumblr
link does not work anymore
We got walker flip cards. Jace has a milling ultimate, meh. His other abilities are cool but why dat ult? Chandra seems ok might be good. Nissa does not seem good to me but I like the fact that she filters when she enters as a creature. Maybe some broken way to just keep playing her to thin your deck. And an alternate to {cyclonic rift}. Edh just got a little worse.
Preorders for lily are already over 20...
Can we talk about how the jace walker's second ability is a Snapcaster mage?
Quote from: Munchlax on June 14, 2015, 09:01:24 AM
Can we talk about how the jace walker's second ability is a Snapcaster mage?
I like them. And yeah, snappy for 3 loyalty.
Just too bad you can't reset their loyalty that easily. If you flicker them, they return as creatures right?
On another note, is it too late to call {giant spider} is in this set?
Quote from: Munchlax on June 14, 2015, 09:01:24 AM
Can we talk about how the jace walker's second ability is a Snapcaster mage?
So far I can see, if Chandra doesn't cost too much to cast, adding both of them to my Izzet burn deck. Chandra's abilities makes it so I don't have to focus on players with like any of my burn spells and the Jace helps me use cards in my graveyard yet. If the theory is true where they're trying to make all 3 cmc walkers for TL in this set, then Chandra will be like {2}{R} for a really viable walker. As much as others are groaning about having to transform them, Jace's ability is really good card draw which then if I discard a higher cmc burn spell I can use it later with his -3. Chandra is a little dumb in the sense that I ping with her, cast a {Shock}, ping, {Lightning Bolt}, ping, {Searing Blood} and suddenly I transform her and do 2 more damage. On 4th turn I do 13 damage- Assuming that she will follow the 3 cmc trend in this set. Mmm, so good.
Looked this up as well for ya:
110.6b Permanents enter the battlefield untapped, unflipped, face up, and phased in unless a spell or ability says otherwise.
http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3398236
Ah, thanks. Always nice to have CR confirmation.
So meh
All of the walkers are just bad. I'm veyr disappointed.
IMO Liliana is the worst one. Jace is very reasonably priced. I'd rather play {Jace, Architect of Thought} for defence or {Jace, Memory Adept} for mill /but this Jace is two mana/. He also comes in at 5. He is not "good" but I think he's solid value for mana. If he was a 0/4 we'd be in serious business as a solid chump blocker for control into a self protecting win con.
I think that Chandra is very viable. A three mana untapping pinger is pretty sick. Her emblem is basically "you win, or win soon". The only problem is her middle ability is kinda...terrible. I mean -2 for a half power {Flameslash}? C'mon!
Nissa is, IMO, really solid. If only she flipped at ~5 lands. She tutors a land on a reasonable 2/2 frame. Then her +1 is card draw, awesome. I think it's a neat limitation that her middle ability puts out a legendary. It's a reasonable ability. Her ult isn't /amazing/ but it's solid. I'm not one for green but I like it. I know she isn't, but is she a viable {Scapeshift} card?
Lily will be sweet in my Alesha TL... Come on, a recurring PW? And I have several ways to make sure she flips...
Chandra is super good
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 14, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
IMO Liliana is the worst one. Jace is very reasonably priced. I'd rather play {Jace, Architect of Thought} for defence or {Jace, Memory Adept} for mill /but this Jace is two mana/. He also comes in at 5. He is not "good" but I think he's solid value for mana. If he was a 0/4 we'd be in serious business as a solid chump blocker for control into a self protecting win con.
I think that Chandra is very viable. A three mana untapping pinger is pretty sick. Her emblem is basically "you win, or win soon". The only problem is her middle ability is kinda...terrible. I mean -2 for a half power {Flameslash}? C'mon!
Nissa is, IMO, really solid. If only she flipped at ~5 lands. She tutors a land on a reasonable 2/2 frame. Then her +1 is card draw, awesome. I think it's a neat limitation that her middle ability puts out a legendary. It's a reasonable ability. Her ult isn't /amazing/ but it's solid. I'm not one for green but I like it. I know she isn't, but is she a viable {Scapeshift} card?
I guess I really like her since her + makes it a lot easier on my spells. I can focus my spells on creatures instead of targeting the opponent.
You guys should realize that Chandra doesn't care how she deals the damage, only that she's dealt 3 or more damage that turn. If you need to flip her, you can, say, attack in for 2, bolt them, tap her to ping and get the flip. Also, you can stack up the damage by activating her, casting a spell to untap, tap, cast to untap, etc. you can chain together maybe 3 or 4 activations like that with Shocks and Bolts before each one resolves and eventually flip her, to finish off with a +1. She has cool potential, you just have to work in weird ways.
I'm shocked no one is talking about mizzium meddlers
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 14, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
IMO Liliana is the worst one. Jace is very reasonably priced. I'd rather play {Jace, Architect of Thought} for defence or {Jace, Memory Adept} for mill /but this Jace is two mana/. He also comes in at 5. He is not "good" but I think he's solid value for mana. If he was a 0/4 we'd be in serious business as a solid chump blocker for control into a self protecting win con.
I think that Chandra is very viable. A three mana untapping pinger is pretty sick. Her emblem is basically "you win, or win soon". The only problem is her middle ability is kinda...terrible. I mean -2 for a half power {Flameslash}? C'mon!
Nissa is, IMO, really solid. If only she flipped at ~5 lands. She tutors a land on a reasonable 2/2 frame. Then her +1 is card draw, awesome. I think it's a neat limitation that her middle ability puts out a legendary. It's a reasonable ability. Her ult isn't /amazing/ but it's solid. I'm not one for green but I like it. I know she isn't, but is she a viable {Scapeshift} card?
Dude Lili is easily the best one. Play her with any other creature, and your opponent can't make any meaningful attacks in without flipping Lili. One lili flips she will dominate the game. Your guy dies? He's back, don't worry 'bout it. Don't have a guy to reanimate? How about an awesome +2? All this and a freaking zombie token when she flips. This all comes in a neat package of 1BB for a 2/3 lifelink. If LOTV didn't already see modern play, I could see this in a lot of the GBx decks.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on June 15, 2015, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 14, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
IMO Liliana is the worst one. Jace is very reasonably priced. I'd rather play {Jace, Architect of Thought} for defence or {Jace, Memory Adept} for mill /but this Jace is two mana/. He also comes in at 5. He is not "good" but I think he's solid value for mana. If he was a 0/4 we'd be in serious business as a solid chump blocker for control into a self protecting win con.
I think that Chandra is very viable. A three mana untapping pinger is pretty sick. Her emblem is basically "you win, or win soon". The only problem is her middle ability is kinda...terrible. I mean -2 for a half power {Flameslash}? C'mon!
Nissa is, IMO, really solid. If only she flipped at ~5 lands. She tutors a land on a reasonable 2/2 frame. Then her +1 is card draw, awesome. I think it's a neat limitation that her middle ability puts out a legendary. It's a reasonable ability. Her ult isn't /amazing/ but it's solid. I'm not one for green but I like it. I know she isn't, but is she a viable {Scapeshift} card?
Dude Lili is easily the best one. Play her with any other creature, and your opponent can't make any meaningful attacks in without flipping Lili. One lili flips she will dominate the game. Your guy dies? He's back, don't worry 'bout it. Don't have a guy to reanimate? How about an awesome +2? All this and a freaking zombie token when she flips. This all comes in a neat package of 1BB for a 2/3 lifelink. If LOTV didn't already see modern play, I could see this in a lot of the GBx decks.
Yeah, I feel like an important part people are glancing over is that she makes a 2/2 to protect herself or do whatever else needs to be done...
{Spellskite} is cool, but Meddlers allows surprise. That's huge.
Well, Chandra's Ignition is insanely flavorful and very, very aptly named.
Quote from: Remillo on June 15, 2015, 12:40:29 PM
Well, Chandra's Ignition is insanely flavorful and very, very aptly named.
Kaboom!
Let's target a lifelink creature with that.
EDIT:
Chandra's Ignition
{3}{R}{R}
Sorcery
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to each other creature and each opponent.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 15, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 15, 2015, 12:40:29 PM
Well, Chandra's Ignition is insanely flavorful and very, very aptly named.
Kaboom!
Let's target a lifelink creature with that.
EDIT:
Chandra's Ignition
{3}{R}{R}
Sorcery
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to each other creature and each opponent.
{Blightsteel Colossus}anyone?
The whole idea of collected company into potential PWs is kind of nice, I'm not sure how I feel about nissa, seems kind of weak compared to world waker
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 15, 2015, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 15, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 15, 2015, 12:40:29 PM
Well, Chandra's Ignition is insanely flavorful and very, very aptly named.
Kaboom!
Let's target a lifelink creature with that.
EDIT:
Chandra's Ignition
{3}{R}{R}
Sorcery
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to each other creature and each opponent.
{Blightsteel Colossus}anyone?
Yoinks!
My mind read each PLAYER instead of each opponent... That's gonna kill games.
That bounce spell is pretty nasty
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 15, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
That bounce spell is pretty nasty
It's the blue {Engineered Explosives}.
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on June 15, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 15, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
That bounce spell is pretty nasty
It's the blue [Engineered Explosives].
Blue has {engineered explosives}. It's called {engineered explosives}.
Quote from: Taysby on June 16, 2015, 08:40:55 PM
We now have a one mana walker and he's really good.
W 2/1
2w gains indestructible
At end of combat, if he and 2 other dudes attacked flip him
+2 up to 1 creature attacks Gideon
+1 target creature gains indestructible. Untap it
0 becomes a 4/4 with indestructible prevent all damage.
Another walker for my TL... Damn, I'm dropping so much money on just walkers lol
Quote from: Taysby on June 16, 2015, 08:40:55 PM
We now have a one mana walker and he's really good.
W 2/1
2w gains indestructible
At end of combat, if he and 2 other dudes attacked flip him
+2 up to 1 creature attacks Gideon
+1 target creature gains indestructible. Untap it
0 becomes a 4/4 with indestructible prevent all damage.
That's insanely good.
Yea i am so in like with gideon.
Gideon is v good
In EDH, if you animate Gideon with his 0 ability, does it still count as Commander damage?
Commander is still commander
Just as it may enter the command zone rather than be shuffled, exiled, destroyed etc
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 16, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
I believe it does not because it's a new entity, and is not named -Not Gideon- like the commander originally is. However {Akroma, Angel of Vengence} the red one still deals combat damage when it's a 2/2 morphed so I'm not really sure.
Commanderness is a quality of the physical card itself, so he should be dealing commander damage as both Kytheon and Gideon
Quote from: Remillo on June 17, 2015, 12:00:17 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 16, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
I believe it does not because it's a new entity, and is not named -Not Gideon- like the commander originally is. However {Akroma, Angel of Vengence} the red one still deals combat damage when it's a 2/2 morphed so I'm not really sure.
Commanderness is a quality of the physical card itself, so he should be dealing commander damage as both Kytheon and Gideon
Yup. If you manage to animate one of the C14 commander-planeswalkers, they'll do commander damage as well.
{Dragonlord Ojutai} Slowly falling.
Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
{Dragonlord Ojutai} Slowly falling.
Lol wrong thread
I play tokens in modern. Gideon isn't going in this deck. Too clunky.
Did I just read an article stating that you pick your walker at the prerelease?
So are the walkers the promo's?
If so, I really wanna go.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/magic-origins-theme-weeks-2015-06-17
Quote from: Potticus on June 17, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 17, 2015, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: Potticus on June 17, 2015, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 17, 2015, 01:41:50 PM
Did I just read an article stating that you pick your walker at the prerelease?
So are the walkers the promo's?
If so, I really wanna go.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/magic-origins-theme-weeks-2015-06-17
How to ruin a set's value. Make the mythics promos. However, it keeps the standard format a lot cheaper...
I don't mind ;)
Me neither, just thinking that's a really weird thing to make the mythics the promos.
They used to do that. Non-playable promo mythics.
Just cuz you pick the walker does not mean you get the card.
In the past block, there have been a couple possible promos per clan. It could be a chance that you could get the mythic, or you could get the junk rare.
New elf lord. Seems sweet. Wonder if tribal will be a thing.
Quote from: particle on June 17, 2015, 09:39:23 PM
New elf lord. Seems sweet. Wonder if tribal will be a thing.
A new elf lord could very well be a tie in for Zendikat.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 18, 2015, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: particle on June 17, 2015, 09:39:23 PM
New elf lord. Seems sweet. Wonder if tribal will be a thing.
A new elf lord could very well be a tie in for Zendikat.
Well, Nissa is from Zendikar, she's in origins, could be a tie in there,
Liliana is from Dominaria, the first in-game elf lord was from there, so there's the tie-in there
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 18, 2015, 10:28:54 AM
The elf would definitely be from Lorwyn. They talk about eyeblights and whatnot.. lorwyn elf talk
That's it!!!
We're going back to the Shadow Realm!!! Lol
Green draw enchantment
And Chandra's brother&sister maybe married and ones by law, don't think it's her parents
On second glance, I don't think they are bother and sister, I believe their either her parents or her brother and his wife
What is this lore you speak of, I ain't got no time for that
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 19, 2015, 09:01:51 PM
New card,
2U
When you a draw a card, opponent mills two. If they are the same color repeat
5U: draw then discard
I like.
Buy {Painter Servants} NOW!!!
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 19, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
Buy {Painter Servants} NOW!!!
I agree but if it's good it'll get banned so expect a hype train and unload quickly.
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 19, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
Buy {Painter Servants} NOW!!!
Is is banned in modern?
Glowack forgot a crucial part of this card: the two cards must both share a color, and both be NONLAND. Unfortunately, this invalidates the {painter's servant} combo. 😢
Quote from: Lord of the Flying Guinea-Potatoes on June 20, 2015, 01:02:36 AM
Glowack forgot a crucial part of this card: the two cards must both share a color, and both be NONLAND. Unfortunately, this invalidates the {painter's servant} combo. 😢
Painter will still help. Doesn't go infinite, but about 36/60, aka 60% will be non land, ratio goes up with fetches, since they filter. Gives nice odds to get two nonland.And milling two for every draw is nice anyway.
I know I realized on the price thread lol damn!!
It's not good enough to me to be playable now though :( I mean sure a random rogue deck in modern might play it but mill isn't really good in Modern :(
You guys see the new guy
*/4
His power is equal to the amount of lands you control
{2}{G}{R}
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 20, 2015, 01:37:29 PM
You guys see the new guy
*/4
His power is equal to the amount of lands you control
{2}{G}{R}
so {Rubble Hulk}?
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 20, 2015, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 20, 2015, 01:37:29 PM
You guys see the new guy
*/4
His power is equal to the amount of lands you control
{2}{G}{R}
so {Rubble Hulk}?
I like it.
Pretty much
Lili's bro has mechanic to kill himself?
Quote from: redwolv on June 20, 2015, 09:16:57 PM
Lili's bro has mechanic to kill himself?
What's lilis bro? Couldn't find it on mythicspoiler or reddit
{Ob Nixilus, Let's See which Version} is one of those demons. In the current timeline she's hunting the three demons down. I'm not sure how {The Chain Veil} and Garruk fit in but they do. If I'm not mistaken Liliana has already killed a few of the demons...
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 20, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
{Ob Nixilus, Let's See which Version} is one of those demons. In the current timeline she's hunting the three demons down. I'm not sure how {The Chain Veil} and Garruk fit in but they do. If I'm not mistaken Liliana has already killed a few of the demons...
She killed the demons now. And I can't remember about Garruk
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 20, 2015, 11:05:22 PM
Liliana and Gurruk got in that fight on imnistrad, gurruk lost and was killed.. he became black and green, tainted by her magic. If I recall correctly, one of the demons could talk to Gurruk through his tainted nature, and the demon drove him against his friends because they tried to kill him. Something like that
Acutally liliana cursed garruk using the chain veil, making his summoned creatures sickly and twisted. In anger {Garruk Relentless} Chased her down on innastrad, with the hope of recovering the veil from her so he could be cured, but she eacaped, and he was captured by {Odric, master tactician}. Accussed of a crime he didn't commit he breaks out in a fit of rage and falls fully into the veil curses grasp. (Thus his flip is black and gives a weaker but twisted ((deathtouch)) wolf then before, and is called "veil cursed").
Now he is corrupted fully and still hunting lillina and any planeswalker he comes across as {garruk, apex predator}, obsesed with becoming the ultimate hunter, more beast then man with each new kill.
Edit messed up a bit of the lore, fixed now
And there were four demons, not 3
Two we know of, Kothophed and Griselbrand
💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 21, 2015, 07:21:20 AM
💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
No it'll transform them into their normal PW form
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 21, 2015, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 21, 2015, 07:21:20 AM
💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
No it'll transform them into their normal PW form
No, it won't.
They won't have counters unless they ETB as a walker, which is why they exile and return transformed.
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💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
No it'll transform them into their normal PW form
No, it won't.
They won't have counters unless they ETB as a walker, which is why they exile and return transformed.
Really? Do we have a ruling?
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: griffin131 on June 21, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
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Quote from: Kaylesh on June 21, 2015, 07:21:20 AM
💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
No it'll transform them into their normal PW form
No, it won't.
They won't have counters unless they ETB as a walker, which is why they exile and return transformed.
Really? Do we have a ruling?
209.1. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=209.1.): Each planeswalker card has a loyalty number printed in its lower right corner. This indicates its loyalty while it's not on the battlefield, and it also indicates that the planeswalker enters the battlefield with that many loyalty counters on it.
PWs get counters on ETB.
No ETB, no counters. No counters is a sad Planeswalker.
Tabak answered the same thing but I'm too lazy to find the link.
Quote from: griffin131 on June 21, 2015, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: griffin131 on June 21, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 21, 2015, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 21, 2015, 07:21:20 AM
💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
No it'll transform them into their normal PW form
No, it won't.
They won't have counters unless they ETB as a walker, which is why they exile and return transformed.
Really? Do we have a ruling?
209.1. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=209.1.): Each planeswalker card has a loyalty number printed in its lower right corner. This indicates its loyalty while it's not on the battlefield, and it also indicates that the planeswalker enters the battlefield with that many loyalty counters on it.
PWs get counters on ETB.
No ETB, no counters. No counters is a sad Planeswalker.
Tabak answered the same thing but I'm too lazy to find the link.
The only one it doesn't kill is Nissa
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 21, 2015, 12:56:48 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on June 21, 2015, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: griffin131 on June 21, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 21, 2015, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 21, 2015, 07:21:20 AM
💡: {moonmist} transforms humans, Origin walkers are double-faced humans, so they'll transform with no loyalty counters on them. Bye walker!
No it'll transform them into their normal PW form
No, it won't.
They won't have counters unless they ETB as a walker, which is why they exile and return transformed.
Really? Do we have a ruling?
209.1. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=209.1.): Each planeswalker card has a loyalty number printed in its lower right corner. This indicates its loyalty while it's not on the battlefield, and it also indicates that the planeswalker enters the battlefield with that many loyalty counters on it.
PWs get counters on ETB.
No ETB, no counters. No counters is a sad Planeswalker.
Tabak answered the same thing but I'm too lazy to find the link.
The only one it doesn't kill is Nissa
True. We'll just have to send Garruk after her then..
Quote from: Noblellama on June 22, 2015, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 22, 2015, 09:59:27 AM
The demon that gave liliana her powers... kotheped or whatever is the black legendary
3BB
6/6 flier
When a permanent an opponent controls goes to graveyard, draw a card and lose a life
It doesn't say may...
Drop a ton of tokens, board wipe, demon controller dies with a full hand :)
It's relevant that it's actually 4BB, I saw your post and thought he might be really good and that I misread him, but I checked, he's 6 mana, sorry kids we don't have a 5 mana 6/6 flying with an upside :(
Quote from: bravado883 on June 22, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
Mmmmmm...sweepers.
Languish--{2}{B}{B}
Sorcery
All creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn.
I like that one with the demon.
Or some evil sac-cycle. What was that raid-guy that returned from the grave again?
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 22, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on June 22, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
Mmmmmm...sweepers.
Languish--{2}{B}{B}
Sorcery
All creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn.
I like that one with the demon.
Or some evil sac-cycle. What was that raid-guy that returned from the grave again?
{bloodsoaked champion}
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 22, 2015, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 22, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on June 22, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
Mmmmmm...sweepers.
Languish--{2}{B}{B}
Sorcery
All creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn.
I like that one with the demon.
Or some evil sac-cycle. What was that raid-guy that returned from the grave again?
{bloodsoaked champion}
Tx. With some way to generate mana off his demise, he can die quite a lot.
{springleaf drum} maybe?
Quote from: Noblellama on June 22, 2015, 12:58:04 PM
OMG
Languish
{2}{B}{B}
ALL creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn
Sorcery
Esper control gonna be happy...
Yes I am...
Quote from: Taysby on June 22, 2015, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 22, 2015, 12:58:04 PM
OMG
Languish
{2}{B}{B}
ALL creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn
Sorcery
Esper control gonna be happy...
WHY U NO {DAMNATION}?!?!?!?!
Because I have {wrath of god}, and NOT $50 to spend on a single.
Well that thing kills most of standard
Renowned seems cool but bad to me. Spell Mastery just might be my all time favorite mechanic.
There seems to be a ton of U/W tempo cards. If we get a decent finisher it could be a thing.
Quote from: Potticus on June 22, 2015, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 22, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
Well that thing kills most of standard
Except siege rhino.
And tasgiur. Abzan control got a nice one sided board wipe.
Guess wiz really want people to play junk this last cycle
Tainted remedy is such a flavorful card!!!
I like how they reprinted {demonic tutor} in a sneaky way.
{3}{B}{B} - search library for a card, if 2 instant/sorcery cards in grave, get {B}x3.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 23, 2015, 11:38:11 AM
I like how they reprinted {demonic tutor} in a sneaky way.
{3}{B}{B} - search library for a card, if 2 instant/sorcery cards in grave, get {B}x3.
Still costs 5 and not 2!
But damn, Tainted Remedy is a functionally fixed {Rain of Gore} and pairs nicely with {Beacon of Immortality}.
Does anybody know if slivers will be brought back in origins?? Not like they did in m14/m15 but like they were in tempest/stronghold
Damn new type of {opalescence} card. Oh the rules shenanigans!
Oh wow!!! A damn near {Timetwister} reprint! Too bad it ends your turn if used on your turn.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 23, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
Oh wow!!! A damn near {Timetwister} reprint! Too bad it ends your turn if used on your turn.
I can't see many decks running this, unfortunately.
Quote from: The Keeper on June 23, 2015, 12:16:21 PM
Does anybody know if slivers will be brought back in origins?? Not like they did in m14/m15 but like they were in tempest/stronghold
Nope. Wrong time, wrong planes.
Those slivers lived at Rath, and I believe it was before the Shattering.
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2015, 02:33:22 PM
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Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 23, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
Oh wow!!! A damn near {Timetwister} reprint! Too bad it ends your turn if used on your turn.
I can't see many decks running this, unfortunately.
Play it in blue red burn. They cast their stuff at instant speed anyways.
The problem is, will your new hand beat theirs? Maybe in a burn shell as a finisher. Not in a control shell, to dangerous. Even with a {Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind} reprint (not happening) I can't see it in any other decks.
Maybe if will is a thing for that enchantment? Mill 14 and fresh cards?
Nevermind it shuffles graveyards back in.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 23, 2015, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2015, 02:33:22 PM
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Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 23, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
Oh wow!!! A damn near {Timetwister} reprint! Too bad it ends your turn if used on your turn.
I can't see many decks running this, unfortunately.
Play it in blue red burn. They cast their stuff at instant speed anyways.
The problem is, will your new hand beat theirs? Maybe in a burn shell as a finisher. Not in a control shell, to dangerous. Even with a {Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind} reprint (not happening) I can't see it in any other decks.
Maybe if will is a thing for that enchantment? Mill 14 and fresh cards?
Nevermind it shuffles graveyards back in.
However, Nekusar EDH just got it as a new toy 💀
Just do you know, if the Turn Ends, none of your Chasm Skulker or Nekusar or new-Grindstoneish triggers will get to resolve. You just move to Clean-Up where nothing gets placed on the stack.
Quote from: Remillo on June 23, 2015, 07:04:43 PM
Just do you know, if the Turn Ends, none of your Chasm Skulker or Nekusar or new-Grindstoneish triggers will get to resolve. You just move to Clean-Up where nothing gets placed on the stack.
That's why you have {Leyline of Anticipation} and {Vedalken Orrery}!!!
Quote from: Remillo on June 23, 2015, 07:04:43 PM
Just do you know, if the Turn Ends, none of your Chasm Skulker or Nekusar or new-Grindstoneish triggers will get to resolve. You just move to Clean-Up where nothing gets placed on the stack.
Things can go on the stack in Cleanup - Madness has to be able to, for example.
They just released the art for game day promos.
And a mostly full art foil Languish for game day looks absolutely INSANE!
Mana glutton hydra is broke imo
{2}{G}
Trample
whenever a player casts a spell, put a +1/1 counter on MGH
1/1
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 23, 2015, 11:36:20 PM
Mana glutton hydra is broke imo
{2}{G}
Trample
whenever a player casts a spell, put a +1/1 counter on MGH
1/1
*v*
I know. Isn't it beautiful.
That trample just puts it over the top on power level. There has not been a better green creature to create a clock like this since {primordial hydra}
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 23, 2015, 11:43:26 PM
That trample just puts it over the top on power level. There has not been a better green creature to create a clock like this since {primordial hydra}
I saw it immediately and was like, meh.. another hydra.. Wait! Does that say trample?!
Jaces sanctum {3}{U}
Enchantment
Sorceries and instants cost {1} less to cast
Whenever you cast an Ins or sorc, scry 1.
I like it, would be much better if 3 drop tho
MGH is meh and very meh. 3 mana for a charging badger that might become a 2/2 or 3/3 before you swing with it and with giant growth type effects it's cool but in the end it's über weak without much protection
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 24, 2015, 09:29:31 AM
MGH is meh and very meh. 3 mana for a charging badger that might become a 2/2 or 3/3 before you swing with it and with giant growth type effects it's cool but in the end it's über weak without much protection
Yup
I am a fan of MGH. The opponent has to answer it or they will just feed the beast. It would be better if it was {1}{G} and a 0/1 creature :)
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 23, 2015, 11:43:26 PM
That trample just puts it over the top on power level. There has not been a better green creature to create a clock like this since {primordial hydra}
{Kalonian hydra} wasn't bad
Meh cycle spoiled. 4 creatures and an enchantment that have an effect based on if you control another with the same name (or ones in your graveyard for black).
Quote from: particle on June 24, 2015, 12:17:28 PM
Meh cycle spoiled. 4 creatures and an enchantment that have an effect based on if you control another with the same name (or ones in your graveyard for black).
The white and green ones just want to sync with copy effects, the red enchantment is nice, because you'll draw one and tutor the others if the creature dies, the blue one is a 1 drop flier with card draw if you control another. The black one gives you creatures if you got the others in the graveyard. I think black is somewhat meh, but I see potential for the others.
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 24, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 23, 2015, 11:43:26 PM
That trample just puts it over the top on power level. There has not been a better green creature to create a clock like this since {primordial hydra}
{Kalonian hydra} wasn't bad
Who hasn't lost or won a game to a {Heroe's Bane} at 64+
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 24, 2015, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 24, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 23, 2015, 11:43:26 PM
That trample just puts it over the top on power level. There has not been a better green creature to create a clock like this since {primordial hydra}
{Kalonian hydra} wasn't bad
Who hasn't lost or won a game to a {Heroe's Bane} at 64+
I won a game with a heroe's bane enchanted with chromanticor
Gotta say I like the way this is looking ... Standard mill is going to happen in my book lol
What do you guys think of the archangel of tithes? I like it, it seems quite good, but im not sure how well it fits into modern or standard competitive wise
I like tithes a lot
Made for blocking rhinos.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 25, 2015, 08:18:55 AM
Love the angel. That {W}{W}{W} in the casting cost though...
We'll see how it fares against a standard full of dragons. Once they rotate though...
Well now those pain lands may shoot back up since they won't be rotating
{Woodland Bellower}, {Demonic Pact}...some little goodies
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 25, 2015, 12:28:34 PM
Well now those pain lands may shoot back up since they won't be rotating
Just traded most of mine...still have {Yavimaya Coast} I think.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 25, 2015, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on June 25, 2015, 02:09:26 PM
{Demonic Pact}...some little goodies
gotta watch that last one, its a doosie...
Use the first three abilities... Then {donate} it
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 25, 2015, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 25, 2015, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: Estel2931 on June 25, 2015, 02:09:26 PM
{Demonic Pact}...some little goodies
gotta watch that last one, its a doosie...
Use the first three abilities... Then {donate} it
{Bazaar Trader} reprint in Battle for Zendikar please.
Or I dunno, skip your upkeep/blink it
I think pact should have said End Step
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
I think pact should have said End Step
Drawing 2 cards at end step is much worse.
Quote from: particle on June 25, 2015, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
I think pact should have said End Step
Drawing 2 cards at end step is much worse.
But that's the only one that's much worse.
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2015, 06:10:31 PM
Quote from: particle on June 25, 2015, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
I think pact should have said End Step
Drawing 2 cards at end step is much worse.
But that's the only one that's much worse.
Yes but none of them get any better by being at your end step. 4 damage could {clear a path} for blockers. And making them discard in your upkeep has the potential to make them discard counters or other interactive spells.
That's pretty legit
Sweeeet. One of the most value-ful 2-drops is getting a reprint. I like it.
I'm excited White Weenie is actually looking pretty sweet!!
Also it being reprinted think cards like {Mistveil Plains} might get reprinted in BfZ? I don't mean necessarily MP but maybe a non basic plains card
But... It does die to removal
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 26, 2015, 02:41:07 AM
But... It does die to removal
Lol indeed but at least you potentially {Rampant Growthed} so it has made some impact on your board :)
{goblin piledriver} and lots of elves. Including a black one drop who makes green mana to cast elves spells, at the cost of one life, and can gives an attacking elf you control death touch.
So with goblin pile driver being modern legal now, will this make modern goblins a thing again?
Quote from: Ace on June 26, 2015, 11:26:47 AM
So with goblin pile driver being modern legal now, will this make modern goblins a thing again?
Without {goblin matron} or {goblin ringleader} joining him I doubt it.
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 26, 2015, 02:26:45 AM
I'm excited White Weenie is actually looking pretty sweet!!
YES! YES PLEASE!! Although no brave the elements is a little awkward...
Quote from: Ace on June 26, 2015, 11:26:47 AM
So with goblin pile driver being modern legal now, will this make modern goblins a thing again?
Rabblemaster's gonna go through the roof while they're both standard legsl
Quote from: Munchlax on June 26, 2015, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Ace on June 26, 2015, 11:26:47 AM
So with goblin pile driver being modern legal now, will this make modern goblins a thing again?
Rabblemaster's gonna go through the roof while they're both standard legsl
That's going to be until the fall right?
New eternal Merfolk?
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 27, 2015, 04:16:57 AM
New eternal Merfolk?
It's decent. I'll have to test it. It will replace 1-2 Tidebinders and maybe 1 Dismember. It won't be a 4-of
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 27, 2015, 06:25:34 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 27, 2015, 04:16:57 AM
New eternal Merfolk?
It's decent. I'll have to test it. It will replace 1-2 Tidebinders and maybe 1 Dismember. It won't be a 4-of
I think it will replace zero cards in my merfolk deck. Just bouncing is ok but not that great. {tidebinder mage} locks down most relevant threats and {dismember} kills everything else. 4 mana is a ton for merfolk to devote to any one spell, and I think {master of waves} is the only spell worth it. Dismember is good because you can cast it for 1 mana and it kills everything (except Geist). Paying 4 mana seems way to expensive for any kind of effect on eternal merfolk.
Quote from: particle on June 27, 2015, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 27, 2015, 06:25:34 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 27, 2015, 04:16:57 AM
New eternal Merfolk?
It's decent. I'll have to test it. It will replace 1-2 Tidebinders and maybe 1 Dismember. It won't be a 4-of
I think it will replace zero cards in my merfolk deck. Just bouncing is ok but not that great. {tidebinder mage} locks down most relevant threats and {dismember} kills everything else. 4 mana is a ton for merfolk to devote to any one spell, and I think {master of waves} is the only spell worth it. Dismember is good because you can cast it for 1 mana and it kills everything (except Geist). Paying 4 mana seems way to expensive for any kind of effect on eternal merfolk.
I hate typing things at work early in the morning... I meant to say "might replace 1-2 tide infer"
Two cards Id like to talk about
Archangel of tithes
Vryn Wingmare
Taxes, pillowfort. Nice.
However, the Wingmare seems quite fragile at 2/1.
So lets talk about {hallowed moonlight}
{containment priest} as an instant/cantrip
Need to preorder a ton of this
Collected company is done
What about side boarding for show and tell?
And the exile card named: good bye ojutai and raptors and rhinos
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 29, 2015, 02:46:52 AM
Taxes, pillowfort. Nice.
However, the Wingmare seems quite fragile at 2/1.
Wingmare is Thalia with flying instead of first strike. But I get your point
Too bad it's just too expensive to run in burn.
Could get a slot in my anarchy deck. It doesn't have enough copy effects yet ;)
I am more excited about {molten vortex}. Hello {land tax} decks for legacy.
Okay so I'm attending prerelease for Orgins (yay!). We're doing two headed giant so I'd like advice on synergetic colours.
My dad and a family friend are going G/B respectively. Black has a fair chunk of removal and decent low cost creatures. Green has a fair amount of ramp, elf synergy and big nasties. The idea is black paves the way while green smashes face. I like it. The bonus is they might pull of B/G elves in which case one of them can switch colours or something.
I feel like if I was going solo I'd go mono white and look at making W/U or W/R tempo. White has a lot of tap effects and a fairly large amount of efficient creatures. Blue has lots of tempo and some flying finishers. Red's burn is a little lacklustre but I feel like some solid creatures make up for it. However I'm not going solo and tempo is a bad 2HG deck 9/10 times.
I feel like R/G is pretty solid. I also feel like W/B is pretty solid. Of course I always build around what I crack but I need to know what colours to register with.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 29, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
New artifact for Chandra
Chandra mentions Jaya!!!!!!
Did the two ever meet?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 29, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
New artifact for Chandra
Chandra mentions Jaya!!!!!!
Did the two ever meet?
The flavour text reads "I hope to meet Jaya Ballard someday. I think we'd get along" so I'm gunna go with no
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 29, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 29, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
New artifact for Chandra
Chandra mentions Jaya!!!!!!
Did the two ever meet?
The flavour text reads "I hope to meet Jaya Ballard someday. I think we'd get along" so I'm gunna go with no
This is Orgins, so this was presumably a long time ago.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 29, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 29, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
New artifact for Chandra
Chandra mentions Jaya!!!!!!
Did the two ever meet?
The flavour text reads "I hope to meet Jaya Ballard someday. I think we'd get along" so I'm gunna go with no
This is Orgins, so this was presumably a long time ago.
Well chandra and jaya both have those goggles...so I think we can assume the goggles worn by them are the same ones. So sense it is origins, I'm guessing that eventually do meet and chandra is given the goggles by jaya
I'll be super happy if she gets a print in Origins.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 29, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 06:43:48 PM
I'll be super happy if she gets a print in Origins.
that would be so much Vorthos win/fun
Well, the Keral Keep monestary where Chandra learned to control her fiery stuff was founded by Jaya...
Something else interesting.
Gideon is from Theros, whose primary god is Heliod.
The Order of Heliud, to which Gideon was a member, was founded on Regatha.
Regatha was the plane Chandra first walked to.
So if Heliod=Heliud, then maybe there are more Theros tie-ins (or walkers from Theros)
Didn't Gideon arrest Chandra and make her walk through the Purifying Fire or something?
Quote from: CbStrad on June 29, 2015, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
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Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 29, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 29, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
New artifact for Chandra
Chandra mentions Jaya!!!!!!
Did the two ever meet?
The flavour text reads "I hope to meet Jaya Ballard someday. I think we'd get along" so I'm gunna go with no
This is Orgins, so this was presumably a long time ago.
Though, since Sarkhan decided to screw with the timestream, it's anyone's guess at this point
Sarkhan screwing with the time stream only affects Tarkir... Not the rest of the Multiverse
Well, it affects the multiverse in the fact that Bolas didn't kill off Ugin. The effect to Tarkir was that the Dragons are back. However, I think BfZ could showcase some effects for Zendikar. (It was after killing Ugin that Bolas started his schemes to free the Eldrazi right?
Quote from: Noblellama on June 30, 2015, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 30, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
Priest of the sacred rite
5 mana
2/2
enters with a 5/5 demon flier
lose 2 life at upkeep
Damn good
Oh heck yeah, cast him and start swinging with him, either they take the damage from the attack or you get him killed, win win
Want some blink effects.
Porque no los dos?
I love {Pyromancer Goggles}! A little costly, but if you'd get it out... That's awesome. The dude that drops in a 5/5 is suuuper cool. {Cloudshift} him and/or {Wake the Reflections} make him really sweet. May make an Orzhov deck for em. I like the Zombie that makes zombie tokens for how many of him are in the graveyard. That makes my zombie deck able to pump zombies out so {Endless Ranks of the Dead} has power-- BEGIN THE MACHINE! A lot of cool cards. The {Days of Undoing} I can see being in a discard-esque deck. Is that weird? I like.
{Day's Undoing} does combo wombo with {Fate Unraveler}. End my turn for seven damage? Okay.
I like the zombie token guy in {Necromancer's Stockpile} and Sidisi decks for standard. If he does well he may stay in my casual Sidisi deck.
{Pyromancer's Goggles} are badass. They're five mana because screw red they can't actually be good. (Looking at you, {Pyromancer's Gauntlets}). However they will be in all my red inclusive EDH decks as well as joining my playset of {Pyromancer's Gauntlets} in my multiplayer burn deck. Casting {Flames of the Firebrand} with {Pyromancer's Gauntlets} out and a bonus copy from {Pyromancer's Goggles}? It may be 13 mana for situational 18 damage but it feels good. (And you can get value out of the artifacts for the remainder of the game.)
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 30, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
{Day's Undoing} does combo wombo with {Fate Unraveler}. End my turn for seven damage? Okay.
I like the zombie token guy in {Necromancer's Stockpile} and Sidisi decks for standard. If he does well he may stay in my casual Sidisi deck.
{Pyromancer's Goggles} are badass. They're five mana because screw red they can't actually be good. (Looking at you, {Pyromancer's Gauntlets}). However they will be in all my red inclusive EDH decks as well as joining my playset of {Pyromancer's Gauntlets} in my multiplayer burn deck. Casting {Flames of the Firebrand} with {Pyromancer's Gauntlets} out and a bonus copy from {Pyromancer's Goggles}? It may be 13 mana for situational 18 damage but it feels good. (And you can get value out of the artifacts for the remainder of the game.)
I may be wrong, but {Days Undoing} ends the turn and exiles the stack. If you'd do it on an opponents turn, then yeah that'd work.
Quote from: Deebiia on June 30, 2015, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 30, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
{Day's Undoing} does combo wombo with {Fate Unraveler}. End my turn for seven damage? Okay.
I like the zombie token guy in {Necromancer's Stockpile} and Sidisi decks for standard. If he does well he may stay in my casual Sidisi deck.
{Pyromancer's Goggles} are badass. They're five mana because screw red they can't actually be good. (Looking at you, {Pyromancer's Gauntlets}). However they will be in all my red inclusive EDH decks as well as joining my playset of {Pyromancer's Gauntlets} in my multiplayer burn deck. Casting {Flames of the Firebrand} with {Pyromancer's Gauntlets} out and a bonus copy from {Pyromancer's Goggles}? It may be 13 mana for situational 18 damage but it feels good. (And you can get value out of the artifacts for the remainder of the game.)
I may be wrong, but {Days Undoing} ends the turn and exiles the stack. If you'd do it on an opponents turn, then yeah that'd work.
You may be right...idk.
I'm still trying to pick up 2...
Black got a creature that actually crushes the vanilla test and has no downsides (except maybe mana cost (but devotion!))!
{titan of erebos}
{1BBB}
Indestructible if an opp controls no creatures
Whenever an creature leaves an opponents graveyard you may discard, if you do return Titan to you hand
5/5
Quote from: bravado883 on July 01, 2015, 08:45:49 AM
It looks like they really want to push devotion for these last few months of Theros. Lots of 3-pip casting costs in this set.
Not in love with most of the cards (though some could turn out sweet), but this is the first set where I feel they REALLY nailed the mythics. Pretty much all of them FEEL mythic, which is awesome. Also feeling the EDH love in this set.
I agree about the devotion. After all these multicolour decks I approve.
{Magmatic Insight} yes please.
Sick art for {fleshbag marauder}!
For the short period of time that it's all in standard...Ensoul Blast might have the support it's been looking for. Idk about you guys but I'm hype to try it.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 01, 2015, 08:56:01 PM
I'd give the spoilers thus far a solid B. Some cards are really dumb good yet others are just straight dumb. Also, does anybody else find it weird a NEW keywords was put in a core set? Like.. did this every happen before? I'm talking about Renown, not that Menace
And the flip walkers aren't exactly the easiest thing for new players to understand.
And that Nyx herald or whatever looks super strong.
Ok... Tragic Arrogance seems insane
Omg constellation hard
{Sigil of the empty yhrone}in standard!!
{Smash to Smithereens} and {Celestial Flare} reprints! Good news for cube, bad news for my {Ensoul Artifact} deck, since I already have a tough enough time against red decks.
Quote from: bravado883 on July 02, 2015, 03:34:48 PM
Oh noooo! {Celestial Flare} and {Languish} are pulling me in opposite directions. I really want a viable U/W control deck and {Celestial Flare} is soooo good; however, {Languish} puts U/B over the top, and it's probably the better deck. Oh, choices.
Go esper.
Thank you God for granting me celestial flare
All the artifact love. Unce. So hype.
Where is {Storm Crow}??!!
You can't have an Origin set with Storm Crow!!!
Possessed skaab is pretty good
{Animists Awakening}, what do you think about this card for bloom decks?
Quote from: Indianslayer on July 04, 2015, 04:35:32 AM
{Animists Awakening}, what do you think about this card for bloom decks?
Beyond unplayable
Wow sigil starfish got upgraded
Hardly worth it. xD
If only it was a 0/5...
Blocks rabble master
Yeah it does
Block
Response to damage
Scry
Boom
Profit city
Hardly worth it.
I like it, I have a playset. It's just not a very good card.
C'mon now. It's no {Bronze Sable}.
Why r u all talkin about {Bronze Sable} ? It's not that good a card....
Forum joke
Quote from: Coolie2 on July 07, 2015, 01:37:30 AM
Why r u all talkin about {Bronze Sable} ? It's not that good a card....
Noble, show this gentleman your collection.
{storm crow} dies to {bronze sable}. Respect the Sable!
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 07, 2015, 07:45:29 AM
{storm crow} dies to {bronze sable}. Respect the Sable!
But Bronze Sable also dies to Storm Crow! And this the universe is kept in balance.
Quote from: Remillo on July 07, 2015, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 07, 2015, 07:45:29 AM
{storm crow} dies to {bronze sable}. Respect the Sable!
But Bronze Sable also dies to Storm Crow! And this the universe is kept in balance.
{Darksteel Forge} disagrees. ;)
Storm crow flys
So that's pretty OP
1000000000 storm crows will live with a {golgari charm}
Sable crumbles
Quote from: Taysby on July 07, 2015, 08:23:52 PM
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woodland-bellower-combo/
I didn't even know that {Painter's Servant} was modern legal