What do you believe in?

Started by Sevenfold, July 23, 2012, 04:41:37 AM

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BlackJester

Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 06:04:22 PM

True, but there's no reason to lend any credit to the Thor theory. I can't prove there is no Thor, but I can certainly doubt it. The reason I have to give a fair nod to those that believe in God is because the origin of life is impossible to explain otherwise.
On the Origin of Species - Charles Darwin.

Impossible, i dunno about that...

Dudecore

Quote from: BlackJester on July 23, 2012, 06:10:43 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on July 23, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
So an omnipotent space man is more plausible? Who created him?

We're entering in to turbulent waters here. 


This thread is aimed at a theological role call.  A "What team do you cheer for?"  Let's avoid getting into "My team is better than yours!" 'cause that's the road of flamewarz.

I agree. But it's intellectually dishonest to say "there is no way to explain it". Given the mountain of evidence to the contrary. Actual evidence. It was flame bait.

adventus

"My God has a bigger dick than your God" -George Carlin

Kareason

Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on July 23, 2012, 05:51:17 PM
Agnosticism is a funny thing. It kinda opens a world of things you must also be agnostic to. If you just "don't know if there is a god or not" then you must also think "well I don't know if werewolves/vampires/insert monster exists"
You don't know if Thor, Superman, Spiderman or batman exist.
You don't know if there is a 500 pound elephant in the trunk of your car that disappears if you look at him.

I'm sure if 95% of the U.S. population believed in Thor, it would be a relevant issue to discuss...

I actually have members of my play group that are Asatru (Odinism/Norse Pagan) so it is out there still.

BlackJester

Quote from: Dudecore on July 23, 2012, 06:15:42 PM
I agree. But it's intellectually dishonest to say "there is no way to explain it". Given the mountain of evidence to the contrary. Actual evidence. It was flame bait.
LOL

Don't you know: Don't feed the {Jungle Troll}s!

Although, what if we had a dedicated Flame thread?  Okay, maybe not a flame thread, but a place where any and all who enter except the risk and we can argue and attack each others beliefs in a field of battle.  What say you?  Theological debate, no hard feelings?

Aladormax

I'm going to ignore all of this religious talk and answer the original question and say that I am a practicing Jew and proud of it.

Sevenfold

Ok now that im off work i would like to give my thoughts on tge situation. I do not beleive in the god that the churches paint a picture of. I think the churches took releigon in a very bad direction.( my opionon) i would love to see god if hes there and if he showed him self i would make sure that he knows i regret not ever beleiving before. But that being said i remember a quote a scientist said about time travel, " if there is such thing as time travel then where are all the time travelers"? Same goes with god for me. If he exist where is he? Personally i would like to beleive that this whole world universe as a whole is all my imaganation. But that just seems impossible for other ppl think the same thing. I beleive something created us, for what reason or purpose we will probly never know. But what we do know for sure is that we are hear we can breathe and live. And theres nothing in this world that can tell us otherwise

Dudecore

Everyone is "atheist" to something, if it be the existence of Thor, the existence of a myriad of other things.

BlackJester

Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
Sorry BJ, never meant to turn it into a flame war. Just felt attacked and it kinda snowballed from there.

I'll just go back to the combo threads and rulings. My thumb is dying from tying these essays on an iPhone as it is... :)
I don't think you were starting a flame war.  I just think that, in debate, it is important to distinguish between facts and reason and logic, and exaggeration and hyperbole to make a point.  You made a good point, but adding a number value, even to exaggerate, makes it look like your reporting facts not opinion.

That's all.

Xanzurth

Quote from: BlackJester on July 23, 2012, 06:12:29 PM
Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 06:04:22 PM

True, but there's no reason to lend any credit to the Thor theory. I can't prove there is no Thor, but I can certainly doubt it. The reason I have to give a fair nod to those that believe in God is because the origin of life is impossible to explain otherwise.
On the Origin of Species - Charles Darwin.

Impossible, i dunno about that...

First and foremost nothing is impossible or we would not exist.
Second, Darwin never says in his book that man came from monkeys/ apes. Just that from his study on evolution that is was ONE of the possibilities to explain mans existence on earth.
That is one of most misquoted things by anti-creationists.

Coffee Vampire

Quote from: Dudecore on July 23, 2012, 07:17:00 PM
Everyone is "atheist" to something, if it be the existence of Thor, the existence of a myriad of other things.
"Atheist" describes someone who has arrived at the conclusion that there is no god.

You can't say "I'm atheist to Thor." it is misuse of terms. I see what yu are saying but so it isn't confusing you should just say "everyone has something they don't believe in." ...which is true.

BlackJester

Quote from: Xanzurth on July 23, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
First and foremost nothing is impossible or we would not exist.
Second, Darwin never says in his book that man came from monkeys/ apes. Just that from his study on evolution that is was ONE of the possibilities to explain mans existence on earth.
That is one of most misquoted things by anti-creationists.

Give me a minute and I could probably come up with a couple impossible things.  And it was mostly the work begun by Darwin and the following decades of research in the field of evolution that give a possible explanation.  I was attempting to refute the idea of it being impossible to explain, which I believe is incorrect.  There do exist other possible explanations.

To my defense, I never quoted anything.  I just posted the title and author of a book.   ;)

Xanzurth

As a avid reader ivhave read the bible cover to cover and as with most books I believe it was meant to be taken literally. Example one: two testaments, if the book was not to be taken literally then Jesus would not have changed do much with his first coming.

Now with that said the first commandment which so many practicing Christian just browse over states: Thou shall have no Gods before me! Many theorist would have you believe this means false idols and such but that is referenced later in the commandments.
Now with that said to me even though I am a non-denominational Christian, the literal text tells me there are other Gods. So to any who have played D&D this means we have a Polytheism.
So in conclusion even though I belief in the Christian God I also believe there are other lesser gods.

1337m00nm4n

So, I'm just curious to know, what are all of your reasons for believing? Still I remain atheistic instead of agnostic, but I was wondering what some of the reasons you guys believe are? I think that there are some things in the universe that mankind doesn't and never will understand, but that still doesn't make me believe that there were once talking snakes or that gays are messengers of Satan. I was very skeptical about many scientific explanations for a lot of a things when I was a kid, but the more I looked into them the more believable they seemed. This really describes a lot of my beliefs about religion: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion. And then there's the fact that religion (and not all religions when I say this) has oppressed and continue to oppress minorities to the point that some of them commit suicide. There is always the fact that many people flaunt their religions and whenever an atheist does something wrong, such as the Colorado shooter, the entire atheist population is to blame.
/rant
Sorry if I caused any trouble with this post, will remove it upon request. So guise, what are your reasons that you believe in what you do?

Coffee Vampire

Your post doesn't make me angry but just so you know I don't believe gays are messengers from satan or that there were talking snakes...don't know where you got that lol