What do you believe in?

Started by Sevenfold, July 23, 2012, 04:41:37 AM

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Leviathan

It is very hard to describe my relationship with religion. I am a man of reason and try to remain objective on every topic, you could say I attempt perfect neutrality. What keeps me on the "believer" side is a certain sense of protection. Whenever I seem to end up in a situation that could mean serious harm or death I always "miraculously" escape. When thing seem they're at their hardest, I always seem to get by. Call it a feeling of being watched over. It's to consistent to be luck and coincidences aren't this frequent.

1337m00nm4n

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:13:07 PM
Your post doesn't make me angry but just so you know I don't believe gays are messengers from satan or that there were talking snakes...don't know where you got that lol
I meant the serpent dude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(Bible)

And the gay thing was just because it seems like religion these days are strongly opposed to LGBT stuff and believe that they should die, etc.

Thanks.

Coffee Vampire

That's a steriotype. Any real Christian doesn't hate gay people. That's a fact.

Kareason

Quote from: 1337m00nm4n on July 23, 2012, 09:05:55 PM
So, I'm just curious to know, what are all of your reasons for believing? Still I remain atheistic instead of agnostic, but I was wondering what some of the reasons you guys believe are? I think that there are some things in the universe that mankind doesn't and never will understand, but that still doesn't make me believe that there were once talking snakes or that gays are messengers of Satan. I was very skeptical about many scientific explanations for a lot of a things when I was a kid, but the more I looked into them the more believable they seemed. This really describes a lot of my beliefs about religion: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion. And then there's the fact that religion (and not all religions when I say this) has oppressed and continue to oppress minorities to the point that some of them commit suicide. There is always the fact that many people flaunt their religions and whenever an atheist does something wrong, such as the Colorado shooter, the entire atheist population is to blame.
/rant
Sorry if I caused any trouble with this post, will remove it upon request. So guise, what are your reasons that you believe in what you do?

As a Deist I do believe there is a Creator. That does not mean I believe in the concept of "religious creationism". I actually support a mix of ID and Evolution. But back to your question, why.  The short version is because I want to believe that someone/thing made our universe. That being said if "God" were proven 100% false tomorrow it would not change the wonder I hold for the universe.

PS: LMAO@comic link. Very funny and also a food summation on some of views.

Leviathan

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
That's a steriotype. Any real Christian doesn't hate gay people. That's a fact.

As much as I want to agree with you my entire family goes on frequent tirades about how horrible gays are....

Kareason

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
That's a steriotype. Any real Christian doesn't hate gay people. That's a fact.

I would like to think the same Coffee but sadly I grew up in the Bible Belt South and I would bet 8 of 10 of them do. Just my experinces. That being said I have always wondered about the irony of "Jesus says love everyone...except anyone who is not a Christian, gay, etc", which is the dominant mentality in this part of the US.

1337m00nm4n

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
That's a steriotype. Any real Christian doesn't hate gay people. That's a fact.
Sorry. I guess the media sort of has overwhelmed me with the amount of distaste against gay people. As is the fact that many politicians are anti-gay. I was unaware that that was a stereotype until now, so thank you for clearing that up.

Coffee Vampire

Do you really think someone is a Christian if they believe a person will go to hell because someone is born a certain way? Christians don't hate gays. Fakers do. Sorry if your family thinks they are Christian yet goes on marches to protest something that people can't control.

G2g I have to join my christian family on a march against blind people seeya



Xanzurth

Christianity does not hate gays or anyone for that matter. Organized religion does. I may be wrong but the only major organized religion who openly accepts homosexuality is Buddhism.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Also on an note like I said before every has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of their beliefs.

Kareason

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
Do you really think someone is a Christian if they believe a person will go to hell because someone is born a certain way? Christians don't hate gays. Fakers do. Sorry if your family thinks they are Christian yet goes on marches to protest something that people can't control.

G2g I have to join my christian family on a march against blind people seeya

Lol. No, I agree with you fully. Sadly I only speak from experiences. Many here still think it is a "choice". They also think "Not Christian" = "Devil Worshipper". I was even asked in high school to not get MtG cards out because the Alpha/Beta {Unholy Strength} had that nice flaming pentagram. I judge people on individual merit only.

Enjoy your march. :)

Coffee Vampire

Quote from: Kareason on July 23, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
Do you really think someone is a Christian if they believe a person will go to hell because someone is born a certain way? Christians don't hate gays. Fakers do. Sorry if your family thinks they are Christian yet goes on marches to protest something that people can't control.

G2g I have to join my christian family on a march against blind people seeya

Lol. No, I agree with you fully. Sadly I only speak from experiences. Many here still think it is a "choice". They also think "Not Christian" = "Devil Worshipper". I was even asked in high school to not getting MtG cards out because the Alpha/Beta {Unholy Strength} had that nice flaming pentagram. I judge people on individual merit only.

Enjoy your march. :)
Lol it is funny...my friends and I played magic at my christian school a lot yet they never allowed dancing..so glad I am out of there.

Thorn

Lol I go to a christian school and they have freshmen dances and all sorts of "Frivolous" stuff.
You must have had a strict school...

Kareason

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: Kareason on July 23, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
Do you really think someone is a Christian if they believe a person will go to hell because someone is born a certain way? Christians don't hate gays. Fakers do. Sorry if your family thinks they are Christian yet goes on marches to protest something that people can't control.

G2g I have to join my christian family on a march against blind people seeya

Lol. No, I agree with you fully. Sadly I only speak from experiences. Many here still think it is a "choice". They also think "Not Christian" = "Devil Worshipper". I was even asked in high school to not getting MtG cards out because the Alpha/Beta {Unholy Strength} had that nice flaming pentagram. I judge people on individual merit only.

Enjoy your march. :)
Lol it is funny...my friends and I played magic at my christian school a lot yet they never allowed dancing..so glad I am out of there.

The school I went to was a county/public high school. They even had entries in their Student Code of Conduct that openly forbid "Satanic actions" and listed them as an expulsion worthy offense.

Leviathan

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
That's a steriotype. Any real Christian doesn't hate gay people. That's a fact.

I meant no disrespect, I was just stating the views of my family. (gung-ho penticostal). I don't think all Christians hate gays but I know many that do.

As for your comment about marching against the blind.... I have a hereditary condition that causes severe ocular atrophy. I'm a 20/2000, legally blind, with a -13 stigmatism. My mother, brother, and nephew share this trait and so will my child.  If you had known I would have taken your statement personal. :)


Eryama

Lol I go to a preaching school in Alabama. Counting staff and students there are less than 50 people. 5 of us play magic, and we are considering starting our own team.