What do you believe in?

[smokin terry]

Btw I am atheist, I was rose to be a catholic like my parents but I renounced my religion when I was 11, and have been ever since, I try not to push down anyone's religion but it gets really hard not to when they try to shove it down your throat, I do hate what religion is and has become, I feel it has become a tool to control people into doing stupid things, like ruining the American dream, I mean I was and still am all for abortion when used properly, properly meaning if the mother wot survive the pregnacy, the mother was raped, or the baby won't survive due to complications, and yet people are using religion to say its wrong and sinful, who are you to judge?! I'm damn sure that the bible you love to preach about say that god will judge you not his people -.- and ughhh sorry /rant gf is 8weeks and we have to get one because she was born without a thyroid and can't keep up on her pills because the egg is sucking all the nutrients out of her slowly killing her and they're are supposed to be protesters out in front of the place and she said I can't go -.-

I am truly sorry to hear about that.

[Kareason]

Btw I am atheist, I was rose to be a catholic like my parents but I renounced my religion when I was 11, and have been ever since, I try not to push down anyone's religion but it gets really hard not to when they try to shove it down your throat, I do hate what religion is and has become, I feel it has become a tool to control people into doing stupid things, like ruining the American dream, I mean I was and still am all for abortion when used properly, properly meaning if the mother wot survive the pregnacy, the mother was raped, or the baby won't survive due to complications, and yet people are using religion to say its wrong and sinful, who are you to judge?! I'm damn sure that the bible you love to preach about say that god will judge you not his people -.- and ughhh sorry /rant gf is 8weeks and we have to get one because she was born without a thyroid and can't keep up on her pills because the egg is sucking all the nutrients out of her slowly killing her and they're are supposed to be protesters out in front of the place and she said I can't go -.-

I hate to hear that man. I know words can't dull the edge but you still have my condolences.

[Kareason]

Deist here.

High-five for Deism!

/highfive

Well met fellow Reasoner.

[BlackJester]

I hate to hear that man. I know words can't dull the edge but you still have my condolences.

Same.  Our thoughts are with the two of you in this difficult times. 

[Fenster]

One long response post instead of many mini-quotes:

*Finding God in The Lord of the Rings*
By Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware

Is it Funny or serious?  Any good?

{Emerkul, the Creator}
...
Some of my friends believe in this guy ^

But does it use the Flying Spaghetti Monster pic?  XD

Think of it as "Reverse christianity" but not exactly

Even so, it requires you to at the very least believe in the existence of a god and/or anti-god, doesn't it?  Otherwise it just becomes a philosophy instead of a religion.

Just to clear it up:

"atheist: one who believes that there is no god."

"agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god."

-Taken from Merriam-Webster.

I personally don't like their wordings and prefer to go back to the roots of the words:
Atheism - the a prefix means an absence of or without.  So to add that to Theism = believe in the existence a deity, then you get "someone who holds no belief in the existence of a deity."

There should be a distinction between "I don't believe that a god exists." and "I believe a god does not exist."
Though they seem similar, it's akin to saying "I don't have a believe about the top card of my Library." versus "I believe the top card of my Library is NOT a land card."  (Theists in this case believing that the top card is in fact a land card.)

Conventional use I think has turned Atheist into Antitheist or Non-theist, but the rules-guru in me likes correctness.
That's just me.  YMMV.

Its alot more to satanism than what i know and can tell but if Kuberr truly is a satanist i guess he could explain
Otherwise just google it

[Xanzurth]

Favorite deity quote:
"Do you believe in the devil? .... You should he believes in you!

John Constatine

[remasuri ger]

What so i beliefe in ...
Me and God

[Johng4490]

I'm actually really happy with how nice this thread has gone. Next time I'm on a comp I'll try to send a round of +karma to everyone.
And I'll input: I'm a Non-denominational Christian. I believe in the Christian God, but choose not to take a side specifically. (Lutheran, Methodist, so on)

[Dudecore]

Agnosticism is a funny thing. It kinda opens a world of things you must also be agnostic to. If you just "don't know if there is a god or not" then you must also think "well I don't know if werewolves/vampires/insert monster exists"
You don't know if Thor, Superman, Spiderman or batman exist.
You don't know if there is a 500 pound elephant in the trunk of your car that disappears if you look at him.

[Dudecore]

Additionally, atheists don't "believe" there is no god as a matter of faith, they're not anti-god, but if there is no evidence for one, why believe something without any evidence?

My suspicious is atheists also don't believe in a lot of things without any evidence, a list would be endless for the amount of things people don't believe, without evidence.

[Dudecore]

Agnosticism is a funny thing. It kinda opens a world of things you must also be agnostic to. If you just "don't know if there is a god or not" then you must also think "well I don't know if werewolves/vampires/insert monster exists"
You don't know if Thor, Superman, Spiderman or batman exist.
You don't know if there is a 500 pound elephant in the trunk of your car that disappears if you look at him.

I'm sure if 95% of the U.S. population believed in Thor, it would be a relevant issue to discuss...

But the number of people who believe in god/Thor is based on the same amount of evidence...

[Dudecore]

Agnosticism is a funny thing. It kinda opens a world of things you must also be agnostic to. If you just "don't know if there is a god or not" then you must also think "well I don't know if werewolves/vampires/insert monster exists"
You don't know if Thor, Superman, Spiderman or batman exist.
You don't know if there is a 500 pound elephant in the trunk of your car that disappears if you look at him.

I'm sure if 95% of the U.S. population believed in Thor, it would be a relevant issue to discuss...

But the number of people who believe in god/Thor is based on the same amount of evidence...

True, but there's no reason to lend any credit to the Thor theory. I can't prove there is no Thor, but I can certainly doubt it. The reason I have to give a fair nod to those that believe in God is because the origin of life is impossible to explain otherwise.

So an omnipotent space man is more plausible? Who created him?

[BlackJester]

I'm sure if 95% of the U.S. population believed in Thor, it would be a relevant issue to discuss...

Is this a factual statistic, or a number you made up?  Neither would surprise me, I just want to be clear if we start stating things that look like facts.

[Dudecore]

Additionally, atheists don't "believe" there is no god as a matter of faith, they're not anti-god, but if there is no evidence for one, why believe something without any evidence?

My suspicious is atheists also don't believe in a lot of things without any evidence, a list would be endless for the amount of things people don't believe, without evidence.

Again, by definition of the English language: Atheists believe he doesn't exist. Look it up if you don't trust me. Anything otherwise is not an atheist.

It's just a name. There isn't a name for non-astronauts, non-mountain climbers. People who don't concern themselves with things lacking any evidence get called "atheist". *shrug*

[BlackJester]

So an omnipotent space man is more plausible? Who created him?

We're entering in to turbulent waters here. 

This thread is aimed at a theological role call.  A "What team do you cheer for?"  Let's avoid getting into "My team is better than yours!" 'cause that's the road of flamewarz.