I actually think this is pretty sweet.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1156
Im really really stoked on the idea of every Dragon's Maze booster not having basic lands in them.
Seems like you'll really cheer on your fellow guildmates. So to be clear, you get two guild packs and get to choose same guild for both packs or 2 different guild packs?
You pick your guild and get a guild pack for that guild. Then you randomly get another guild pack from a guild that shares colors with the one you pick. I.E. pick Dimir and you randomly get Izzet, Golgari, Azorious, so on and so forth.
So with the lands, guildgates will show up in every pack unless you get a shock or mythic land, which will show up at rare+ rates?
Really like that land idea.
And now to think about Dimir or orzhov
I don't want to get rakdos, so I'm going to pick simic. I hope I get izzet as the secret ally pack! What does everyone else hope to get as the secret ally
You might get simic and gruul. Wich is not bad for evolve and blood rush.
Quote from: Gummuh on January 28, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
So with the lands, guildgates will show up in every pack unless you get a shock or mythic land, which will show up at rare+ rates?
Im confused about the mythic land. Will it show up on the basic land slot, or will ot show up in the rare slot, still giving you a chance of pulling a shockland in the same pack?
I love the echoing of the Zen treasure packs they're doing with this set.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 28, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on January 28, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
So with the lands, guildgates will show up in every pack unless you get a shock or mythic land, which will show up at rare+ rates?
Im confused about the mythic land. Will it show up on the basic land slot, or will ot show up in the rare slot, still giving you a chance of pulling a shockland in the same pack?
I love the echoing of the Zen treasure packs they're doing with this set.
Land slot
Quote from: scarsabrex on January 28, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 28, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on January 28, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
So with the lands, guildgates will show up in every pack unless you get a shock or mythic land, which will show up at rare+ rates?
Im confused about the mythic land. Will it show up on the basic land slot, or will ot show up in the rare slot, still giving you a chance of pulling a shockland in the same pack?
I love the echoing of the Zen treasure packs they're doing with this set.
Land slot
That's what I figured. Jeeze, I wonder how awesome its going to be.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 28, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on January 28, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 28, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Gummuh on January 28, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
So with the lands, guildgates will show up in every pack unless you get a shock or mythic land, which will show up at rare+ rates?
Im confused about the mythic land. Will it show up on the basic land slot, or will ot show up in the rare slot, still giving you a chance of pulling a shockland in the same pack?
I love the echoing of the Zen treasure packs they're doing with this set.
Land slot
That's what I figured. Jeeze, I wonder how awesome its going to be.
It's such a crazy idea! I frekin' love it!!!
Knowing my luck I'll just get guildgates.
Also I don't think you will get simic and gruul, as it said in the article one guild from each set. (One gtc, one rtr)
Quote from: Wally on January 28, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Knowing my luck I'll just get guildgates.
Also I don't think you will get simic and gruul, as it said in the article one guild from each set. (One gtc, one rtr)
I didn't see that part.
How do you think they are going to do the maze part? Just a check list like before, or something bigger. I'm not keen on the you and your guild mates advance together. Strictly because with ten guilds, if its the first guild you pick (I.E. I pick Dimir, so rakdos doesn't count) with only 45-50 people I may get a guild that only has two other people, where Boros has 15.
Quote from: Wally on January 28, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Knowing my luck I'll just get guildgates.
Also I don't think you will get simic and gruul, as it said in the article one guild from each set. (One gtc, one rtr)
Simic and izzet! Or simic and...golgari...or simic and selesnya (probably has the most synergy). Or simic and azorious
Yeah im curious about the maze part as well.
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 28, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: Wally on January 28, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Knowing my luck I'll just get guildgates.
Also I don't think you will get simic and gruul, as it said in the article one guild from each set. (One gtc, one rtr)
Simic and izzet! Or simic and...golgari...or simic and selesnya (probably has the most synergy). Or simic and azorious
So, in other words Simic? Lol
Yes. I do NOT want to end up using rakdos. Lol
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 28, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
Yes. I do NOT want to end up using rakdos. Lol
Why? Because it has some of the best removal in Limited?
If I picked a red guild. It would be izzet. Izzet is instant and sorcery based. Plus, the cant block thing really turns me off to rakdos. It's less strategy space to work with. So I don't really like it all that much. I like cards that give options. Rakdos takes away options if you choose to give it a plus one counter. Hellbent was much better in my opinion
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 28, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
If I picked a red guild. It would be izzet. Izzet is instant and sorcery based. Plus, the cant block thing really turns me off to rakdos. It's less strategy space to work with. So I don't really like it all that much. I like cards that give options. Rakdos takes away options if you choose to give it a plus one counter. Hellbent was much better in my opinion
If you Unleash everything, you don't have to worry about blocking, they do. I thought Rakdos was great in Sealed
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on January 28, 2013, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 28, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
If I picked a red guild. It would be izzet. Izzet is instant and sorcery based. Plus, the cant block thing really turns me off to rakdos. It's less strategy space to work with. So I don't really like it all that much. I like cards that give options. Rakdos takes away options if you choose to give it a plus one counter. Hellbent was much better in my opinion
If you Unleash everything, you don't have to worry about blocking, they do. I thought Rakdos was great in Sealed
Well, I've never tried it. So I guess I shouldnt judge. I don't mind smashing them with big creatures, just as long as I can do it with flare
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 28, 2013, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on January 28, 2013, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 28, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
If I picked a red guild. It would be izzet. Izzet is instant and sorcery based. Plus, the cant block thing really turns me off to rakdos. It's less strategy space to work with. So I don't really like it all that much. I like cards that give options. Rakdos takes away options if you choose to give it a plus one counter. Hellbent was much better in my opinion
If you Unleash everything, you don't have to worry about blocking, they do. I thought Rakdos was great in Sealed
Well, I've never tried it. So I guess I shouldnt judge. I don't mind smashing them with big creatures, just as long as I can do it with flare
I feel ya, I like doing things with my cards, rather than just turning dudes sideways
But rakdos and boros would be nuts. As would rakdos and gruul
Quote from: Wally on January 28, 2013, 07:43:07 PM
But rakdos and boros would be nuts. As would rakdos and gruul
Eh...neither idea seems cool to me. But I can see how that could be good
I am actually kinda disappointed by the land thing. I've been trading going for RTR and GTC to get my shocks, and guildgates were already plentiful enough. I'd rather have full arts or something new.
Quote from: Johng4490 on January 28, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
I am actually kinda disappointed by the land thing. I've been trading going for RTR and GTC to get my shocks, and guildgates were already plentiful enough. I'd rather have full arts or something new.
I don't mind getting more shocks, I rarely trade lands anyways.
If they have custom art for Maze, then I'll be getting two boxes. If not, then eh. Lol :)
Boros with azorius :O
Ea, I'm really psyched for this. Also nonbasics in every pack? Yes please!
Don't know the names but I would like to try bw br
I love the land idea so much more trade banter when you get the extra shocklands lol
Quote from: Johng4490 on January 28, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
I am actually kinda disappointed by the land thing. I've been trading going for RTR and GTC to get my shocks, and guildgates were already plentiful enough. I'd rather have full arts or something new.
I like the idea...but full art guild gates would be better. I mean doing things like that do not affect WOTC whatsoever. All it does is drumb up more buzz. I like the idea of no basic but really wish it was a full art guild gate.
Quote from: KangaRod on January 29, 2013, 07:57:44 AM
I'm surprised more people aren't excited for what basically sounds like the creation of the wedges, with probably the creation of some kind of {City of Brass} type mythic rare and probably the ramp up to the next (tricolor themed) set
That's what I was thinking. A land that taps for any color.
A card that says 'if you control 10 guildgates you win the game'
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 29, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on January 29, 2013, 07:57:44 AM
I'm surprised more people aren't excited for what basically sounds like the creation of the wedges, with probably the creation of some kind of {City of Brass} type mythic rare and probably the ramp up to the next (tricolor themed) set
That's what I was thinking. A land that taps for any color.
It could come into play tapped. Send a land back to your hand when it comes into play. Deal 4 damage to you when it comes into play. And/or not untap during your next untap step when it's tapped.
My point is, it will have some major nerf to it
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 29, 2013, 08:17:06 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 29, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on January 29, 2013, 07:57:44 AM
I'm surprised more people aren't excited for what basically sounds like the creation of the wedges, with probably the creation of some kind of {City of Brass} type mythic rare and probably the ramp up to the next (tricolor themed) set
That's what I was thinking. A land that taps for any color.
It could come into play tapped. Send a land back to your hand when it comes into play. Deal 4 damage to you when it comes into play. And/or not untap during your next untap step when it's tapped.
My point is, it will have some major nerf to it
Obviously. I just didnt bother trying to figure it out past the "tap for any color" part hahah.
If it doesn't have a major drawback, it will most definitely be a mythic rare and highly sought after even with a simple drawback...or it could be a land that costs mana to play. Of course that would make one gigantic fat mess of the rules
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 29, 2013, 08:45:29 AM
If it doesn't have a major drawback, it will most definitely be a mythic rare and highly sought after even with a simple drawback...or it could be a land that costs mana to play. Of course that would make one gigantic fat mess of the rules
Well we already know its at mythic level. That's what we've been speculating about. This blocking being all about multicolor, that's why im leaning towards a {city of brass}-esque card. Maybe not a reprint (is it on the reserved list?) but something similar.
So does this mean that it will be possible to open two shocklands in "Dragon's Maze" packs? 'Cause that would be aaaweesoomee
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on January 29, 2013, 12:47:33 PM
So does this mean that it will be possible to open two shocklands in "Dragon's Maze" packs? 'Cause that would be aaaweesoomee
I don't think so. Instead of a basic land, you'll get a guildgate, a shockland, or the new mythic rare land. Normal Dragon's Maze rares will be in the rare slot.
So. It sounds different then most tournaments. What will the prerelease be like?
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 29, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
So. It sounds different then most tournaments. What will the prerelease be like?
I don't know but im intrigued by the maze part. I may spend the $30 for prerelease just to see what it's all about.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 29, 2013, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 29, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
So. It sounds different then most tournaments. What will the prerelease be like?
I don't know but im intrigued by the maze part. I may spend the $30 for prerelease just to see what it's all about.
Yea, im interested to. I heard MaRo used to find ways to make puzzles with various combinations of cards or something like that. So obviously there are a lot more ways to play then just the ways were used to. Speaking of which, does anyone know if there selling the archnemises decks? Or if there still doing that anymore? I want to try that format
I guess it's kinda like Innistrad and DA, you have a chance to get an extra rare with that slot.
Quote from: KangaRod on January 29, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
My buddy just posted on FB that it's about 1/22 to get a shock land
I would think 1/21. Ten gates, ten shocks, one mythic rare. Those are the options.
Quote from: prayos on January 29, 2013, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on January 29, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
My buddy just posted on FB that it's about 1/22 to get a shock land
I would think 1/21. Ten gates, ten shocks, one mythic rare. Those are the options.
The odds are likely working by a ratio, not by sheer number of land cards with equal amounts of all. It's most likely going to contain a land of your guild's color. 20/25 packs will contain your Guildgate, 1/25 will contain {Thespian Stage}, 1/25 will contain {Transguild Promenade}, 2/25 will contain your shock, and 1/25 will contain the new mythic. Or something like that.
Quote from: Wally on January 28, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Knowing my luck I'll just get guildgates.
I can relate. lol
Anyone have any guess as to who is allied with who? I feel like each guild will be associated with 2 other guilds (example: boros allied with azorious and izzet). My guesses are
•boros and azorious- army+law
•boros and izzet- izzet made those soldiers for boros
•izzet and simic- both based in science
•simic and selenstra- simic going more natural than they used to be (at least I thought I read that somewhere)
•rakdos and gruul- both are wild and crazy
•rakdos and dimir- no clue why only thought is that dimir could be manipulating the cultists
•orzhov and golgari- both deal in death (soul vs body)
•dimir and azorious- corruption of lawmakers
•golgari and gruul- outcasts in a sense I guess
•gruul and selenstra- united under goal of nature taking over
You forgot simic and golgari
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 29, 2013, 05:48:31 PM
You forgot simic and golgari
That's what I'm hoping to pull!!!
You're right I did forget them didn't I :)
I really hope they make a tricolor legendary or two based around the other color combos. (I really think a different general for RWU and BRW)
Maybe they'll bring back the nephilams and do them right this time.
I want another legend for each guild though. That's going to be one of my selling points, even if they are not mythic and meh compared to the leaders
Quote from: KangaRod on January 29, 2013, 07:05:15 PM
I'd like to see Borkdos, but that probably won't happen
If each guild has the same guild paired with it. I think we can figure out which ones are paired with which through process of elimination
Simic seems to be leaning towards its green side (story wise) so a pairing with izzet might not be a possibility. Then again, izzet seems more red than blue. And there both science guilds so...
I really want Azorius or Izzet as the Dimir's secret ally, the other RtR guilds aren't very fun to play for me.
So the secret ally isn't random? I thought it was?
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on January 29, 2013, 10:04:04 PM
So the secret ally isn't random? I thought it was?
That's what I got from reading the article too. Random buddy guild sharing 1 colour from the alternate released set.
I was only merely suggesting the possibility, and of they did, rakdos would not be paired with boros
Quote from: Wally on January 29, 2013, 10:17:25 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on January 29, 2013, 10:04:04 PM
So the secret ally isn't random? I thought it was?
That's what I got from reading the article too. Random buddy guild sharing 1 colour from the alternate released set.
Yeah that's also what I got from the article.
It could be random; however, cards have linked guilds together (ex: {Spark Trooper} linking izzet and boros), so it would be a shame if they just threw random guilds together, in my opinion, due to the conflicting flavor (ex: boros could be joined with rakdos, but boros hates rakdos)
Quote from: KangaRod on January 30, 2013, 03:45:00 AM
Yeah, my buddy's and I were talking that they are going to create wedges with the storyline, but you're correct right now it's worded so that they are random, although I don't believe that it will be. I'd hate to get Rakdos - Dimir or something stupid like that. I would think Rakdos will be paired with Gruul most likely, but that's Jund, so it doesn't go with my theory.
I can only think that there is going to be a huge CF and that parts of certain guilds are going to leave to join the wedges that are created.
I pulled these named (I've never heard them before) from the Salvation Wiki
(Dega) - Rakdos, Orzhov and Boros
(Ceta) - Gruul, Simic and Izzet
(Necra) - Selensya, Orzhov and Golgari
(Raka) - Azorious, Izzet and Boros
(Ana) - Dimir, Golgari and Simic
I guess it would kind of work out with the core of a guild making up part of the wedge, and then other parts of the opposing two guilds, 1 quarter would go one way, and one quarter the other....
Of course, this would probably lead into something huge in the next block, and to the best of my knowledge I don't think they've ever really followed 2 blocks together that would fit so closely in the story line like that.
I don't think people would complain too much though, as this would be f'in awesome lol....
It excites me and I'm usually a mono red player, so I can't imagine how exciting it would be for some of the people who casting big multicolor spells (or as I call it, cheating the spirit of magic lol)
I don't think they would do this
From what I gathered, your secret guild could be any guild that shares a color with the guild of your choice, and it's not the same for everyone. Like if you choose Simic, you could also get Azorius, or maybe Gruul.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on January 30, 2013, 08:02:44 AM
From what I gathered, your secret guild could be any guild that shares a color with the guild of your choice, and it's not the same for everyone. Like if you choose Simic, you could also get Azorius, or maybe Gruul.
That's what I got from it
Sounds like a nightmare to organize. It's hard enough to organize for 5 guilds. Now all 10 and a maze (a big object similar to the Helvault prerelease for Avacyn Restored)
Quote from: Dudecore on January 30, 2013, 08:11:55 AM
Sounds like a nightmare to organize. It's hard enough to organize for 5 guilds. Now all 10 and a maze (a big object similar to the Helvault prerelease for Avacyn Restored)
What was that prerelease like?
Avacyn Prerelease had objectives to reach, everyone during their matches would keep score and then once more and more of these achievements were reached, the helvault would open and everyone gets dice, token cards and oversized commander cards.
This sounds like everyone will be playing all 10 guilds, and then "work together" to get through the maze I.E reach objectives to get to the end of this maze object for prizes. It seems like a lot to do.
I wish they had this around my house
Quote from: Dudecore on January 30, 2013, 08:23:30 AM
Avacyn Prerelease had objectives to reach, everyone during their matches would keep score and then once more and more of these achievements were reached, the helvault would open and everyone gets dice, token cards and oversized commander cards.
This sounds like everyone will be playing all 10 guilds, and then "work together" to get through the maze I.E reach objectives to get to the end of this maze object for prizes. It seems like a lot to do.
That reminds me, I still have the #1 most useless thing from all of that, an oversized {griselbrand} card. I mean, what the heck am I supposed to do with it when it's banned in the only format where I can use it?
I think the mythic land will be a legendary land that comes into play untapped and can add two mana of the same color but when u tap it you lose 1 or 2 life. It is a super shock land.
Quote from: KangaRod on January 30, 2013, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: Wally on January 30, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
That reminds me, I still have the #1 most useless thing from all of that, an oversized {griselbrand} card. I mean, what the heck am I supposed to do with it when it's banned in the only format where I can use it?
LoL that is kind of a raw deal. I hate those stupid oversized cards. I don't even know why they make them
I normally just put a proxy card in for those oversize cards. I tell me opponents in advance that is I have an Innistrad flip placement card in there, it takes the place of the oversized card.
Quote from: KangaRod on January 30, 2013, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: Wally on January 30, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
That reminds me, I still have the #1 most useless thing from all of that, an oversized {griselbrand} card. I mean, what the heck am I supposed to do with it when it's banned in the only format where I can use it?
LoL that is kind of a raw deal. I hate those stupid oversized cards. I don't even know why they make them
At avacyn restored release the used oversized angel and griselbrand cards as additional prizes. I got 3 oversized cards and I sold them on eBay for $30. It was sweet because that covered the cost of my entry. :)
I got a Gisela and held on to her. I don't use her, but I like having it.
Guysssss I think kanga rod is right look at the card {Skygames} and {Spark Trooper} I think this proves boros is allied with izzet and azorius !!!!!
Quote from: KangaRod on January 30, 2013, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: Wally on January 30, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
That reminds me, I still have the #1 most useless thing from all of that, an oversized {griselbrand} card. I mean, what the heck am I supposed to do with it when it's banned in the only format where I can use it?
LoL that is kind of a raw deal. I hate those stupid oversized cards. I don't even know why they make them
It would be wonderful to play my oversized black lotus or Juzam djinn
The mythic land is going to be a giant oversized card, with 3D renderings and textures of Mountains, Islands, Plains, Swamps, and Forests.
Built out of dice.
Quote from: Frothandslosh on February 21, 2013, 05:50:50 PM
The mythic land is going to be a giant oversized card, with 3D renderings and textures of Mountains, Islands, Plains, Swamps, and Forests.
Built out of dice.
"When Dragons Maze comes into play, you MUST planechase or concede the game"( You have to change your game type or lose the game)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 21, 2013, 06:17:54 PM
Quote from: Frothandslosh on February 21, 2013, 05:50:50 PM
The mythic land is going to be a giant oversized card, with 3D renderings and textures of Mountains, Islands, Plains, Swamps, and Forests.
Built out of dice.
"When Dragons Maze comes into play, you MUST planechase or concede the game"( You have to change your game type or lose the game)
When Dragon's Maze comes into play, tell yourself "At least it isn't Helvault."
I dunno about you guys, but the pre-release card for Dragon's Maze here is a foil reprint of {Reliquary Tower}. Looks awesome.
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on February 21, 2013, 09:50:14 PM
I dunno about you guys, but the pre-release card for Dragon's Maze here is a foil reprint of {Reliquary Tower}. Looks awesome.
Usually at prerelease you get a foil card from that set as a promo
So that pretty much confirms that Reliquary Tower is gonna be in Dragon's Maze, then? That's cool. I kinda need one for my Praetor's Scorn EDH deck.
Nope they have been giving that out at fnm where I play at
Oh really? Hm. Ah well. I'll be loving just having one any way.
I believe it is the fnm promo this month.
It's sorted to be the Dragon's Maze prerelease card here Down Under. My local card shop is running three events for the prerelease, and I'm booked in for all of them. Three copies? Yes please!