Imink

48 hrs isn't necessary I fully take responsibility for what I have done. My reasoning behind this was me trying to get my friend a nice gift for his birthday I do realize that the ethics behind this was wrong and incredibly low I apologize to the rightful winner.i will gladly take the punishment that will follow I assume that what I've done deserves a serious punishment negative karma could and should be part of it fell free to banish me or something of that sort but just so you know I do enjoy being part of this community and I do hope to rejoin it when you decide it's ready.

          - I'm sorry

                        Sincerely Imink     


Congratulations honest winners

You already admitted you were wrong, you can't change your tune because one person starts talking about how the rules were not clear. Everyone knows how voting works, if you don't you aren't old enough to be on the site.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 05:39:13 PM

iMTG Law "Logic is the ultimate law."

What would be the point of having people vote if one person could just make as many accounts as they want to and vote for them self as many times as the want. Common sense dictates you can't do what you did.

If what you say is true then why does every contest you see have a 1 entry per person clause?

Because that is how voting works, this isn't a courtroom where some lawyer can sweet talk someone who is guilty out of a guilty verdict using technicalities. I will remind you that everyday people kill others and people are awarded millions of dollars for spilling coffee on them self with the court saying it is okay. That is the purpose of "Logic is the ultimate law", so people don't get off on technicalities.

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 05:28:09 PM

Yes I believe that everyone was capible of voting in the same manner that I did, if they chose to.

And did you believe they would?

His response to this was yes so in my Opinion he broke no law and should not be found guilty or have his prize taken away. Now if he wants to forfeit his prize because what he did was a dbag move and not in the spirit of the contest which would be the right thing to do then I say we drop it and call it a night.  If he choses not to do that Then with this whole trial being a bought him lying you would need to either start a new trial or amend this one to project different charges.

But either way, we agree he is guilty of something?

Do you think we can vote more than once for our president? Lol

Do you think we can vote more than once for our president? Lol

I would have asked that but would have gone back to it having a "one entry per person clause".

But either way, we agree he is guilty of something?

He is guilty of being a dick and finding away around the rules but that's it. Now regardless of what I have proven the choice is still the community's so if the community decides not to give him the cards all he can do is cry abought it at which time a mod can nail him for trolling so either way we win.

Either way you swing it the rules were simple. Contestants cannot vote for themselves...he broke this rule multiple times in an extremely bad fashion. He knew what he did was wrong when he did it. I feel this makes him guilty more then anything. Also I hope he apologizes to birdbrain. Birdbrain didn't have to do this...he put up a good prize and created a contest on his own accord only to be swindled by a fellow community member.

Actually it says that members should vote for themselves.

Quote from: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:22:00 AM

Quote from: whitedrake on July 20, 2013, 08:17:10 AM

As I said... your way... But for me discouraging to vote...

i eliminated a lot of voters by saying people in the contest can't vote. Besides, if I put up a pull, some people may just vote for themselves, and then you have the votes too widely spread to pick a winner

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 02:56:26 AM

Yes and no there was no rules saying that someone could not make accounts and vote for them selfs therefore no rules were broken. Was this action really low yes but I didn't break any rules. I only used a loophole.

As you can see, I expressed concern for people voting for themselves. If I did that, than voting for themselves multipule times is out of the question. Therefore, he did break the rules of the contest

I'm letting the contestants decide if they want punishment or not however

Lying is also against iMTG Law

I also didn't lie

Whatever, we should take a vote...oh wait.

ly·ing:                                                       1 : to make an untrue statement with intention to deceive.                                             2 : to create a false or misleading impression.                                             
Making multiple accounts that were to be believed were other peoples votes was a form of misleading people.

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 09:39:57 AM

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Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same.

The law cares not a bit what you expect others to do, you cannot project your expectations on people. The law cares about what the others would expect from your actions. The law is addressed to you. Do you expect that people want to be cheated? If you do, you are mad and get the .love. out of here.

Karma number is a public record of karma flow. Karma is people's to give and take, it is protected by free speech natural law. On equal ground you cannot force me to remain silent, that would be doing something what I don't want to be done to me. On private ground the owner can ban you from their property.

I don't expect they want to be cheated but I expect they are worried that they will so it's survival of the fittest. The first one to adapt and out think there opposition are the victors. Your laws are flawed just like all laws and can not be followed to the letter at all points in time. Case in point you wife asked you if she looks fat in a dress regardless of the truth you say no which is a form of lying which is one of your little rules on here that many of us have broken. So you need to stop and look at the whole picture and ask these questions.
1. Was there a rule anywhere that said he could not do what he did?

Your example is irrelevant, there is no conflict in it to be solved by the law. The law is not applicable in this case.

1. He broke the rule: do not do to others what they wouldn't want to be done to them by cheating. Did he or did he not?

I did not every one had the same exact chance to do what I did and I think if other people in the contest realized this I assumed that they would do the same and I'd be fine with it because they found a way to win.