Imink

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 06:42:39 AM

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same. That's just me though there is always someone out there that is smarter than you was quote I was told to as a child so I always assume anything I can do can be done by another person. Look at it like this I don't want negative karma for things I say but people do it anyways and that hurts me but does it make them wrong. No we all have a right to express our feelings on a situation even if it hurts someone else. So unless you want to do away with your whole karma system on this site then that rule will always be broken or twisted. Why don't we kill? Because a book says its wrong or because we feel that it's wrong. Yet what is war if not killing other people but we still go to it. That's how the world works. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other. And what is good to you can be evil to someone else that's why we have laws that hand out minimum  and maximum  sentencing regardless of the situation. You need to take feelings out of this as they are not always the same as someone else's. so I say we ask him.
Did you expect other people to do the same thing you did? And base a decision on his response so that's my question to you imink. Now off to work so don't take any lack of response as admission to me being right or wrong.

killing is not wrong, murder  is wrong. There is a huge difference in someone being killed by a murderer and a soldier killed in battle.

Killing and murder are hand In hand look at assanation for the betterment of the people it's still murder but people justify as the right thing to do. Think abought Osama dudes broke into his house in the middle of the night and murderd him in cold blood. Was he in the act of committing a crime or act of war at that very point in time no he wasn't so its murder. Now the sob totally deserved it and if you ask me he got off easy. But what they did was still murder. Who's right and who's wrong is dependent on which side of the line you stand on.

Quote from: IceScythe on August 01, 2013, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 06:42:39 AM

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same. That's just me though there is always someone out there that is smarter than you was quote I was told to as a child so I always assume anything I can do can be done by another person. Look at it like this I don't want negative karma for things I say but people do it anyways and that hurts me but does it make them wrong. No we all have a right to express our feelings on a situation even if it hurts someone else. So unless you want to do away with your whole karma system on this site then that rule will always be broken or twisted. Why don't we kill? Because a book says its wrong or because we feel that it's wrong. Yet what is war if not killing other people but we still go to it. That's how the world works. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other. And what is good to you can be evil to someone else that's why we have laws that hand out minimum  and maximum  sentencing regardless of the situation. You need to take feelings out of this as they are not always the same as someone else's. so I say we ask him.
Did you expect other people to do the same thing you did? And base a decision on his response so that's my question to you imink. Now off to work so don't take any lack of response as admission to me being right or wrong.

killing is not wrong, murder  is wrong. There is a huge difference in someone being killed by a murderer and a soldier killed in battle.

Killing and murder are hand In hand look at assanation for the betterment of the people it's still murder but people justify as the right thing to do. Think abought Osama dudes broke into his house in the middle of the night and murderd him in cold blood. Was he in the act of committing a crime or act of war at that very point in time no he wasn't so its murder. Now the sob totally deserved it and if you ask me he got off easy. But what they did was still murder. Who's right and who's wrong is dependent on which side of the line you stand on.

Under the law, killing and murder are not one in the same. The definition of murder is "the unlawful taking of another human life with malice a forethought." At least in NY, this definition may change slightly from state to state.

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 06:42:39 AM

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same.

The law cares not a bit what you expect others to do, you cannot project your expectations on people. The law cares about what the others would expect from your actions. The law is addressed to you. Do you expect that people want to be cheated? If you do, you are mad and get the .love. out of here.

Karma number is a public record of karma flow. Karma is people's to give and take, it is protected by free speech natural law. On equal ground you cannot force me to remain silent, that would be doing something what I don't want to be done to me. On private ground the owner can ban you from their property.

I don't expect they want to be cheated but I expect they are worried that they will so it's survival of the fittest. The first one to adapt and out think there opposition are the victors. Your laws are flawed just like all laws and can not be followed to the letter at all points in time. Case in point you wife asked you if she looks fat in a dress regardless of the truth you say no which is a form of lying which is one of your little rules on here that many of us have broken. So you need to stop and look at the whole picture and ask these questions.
1. Was there a rule anywhere that said he could not do what he did?
2. If no rule existed then did he believe that other people were capable of doing or going to do what he did?

We both know the first question was a no so it all depends on the second question on weather or not he broke your imtg law. And you have to take your personal feelings out of this and base the decision on fact. Also I said everyone had a right to karma I was pointing out a hole in your logic.

Sound argument, +kar

Quote from: Birdbrain on July 20, 2013, 08:22:00 AM

Quote from: whitedrake on July 20, 2013, 08:17:10 AM

As I said... your way... But for me discouraging to vote...

i eliminated a lot of voters by saying people in the contest can't vote. Besides, if I put up a pull, some people may just vote for themselves, and then you have the votes too widely spread to pick a winner

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 02:56:26 AM

Yes and no there was no rules saying that someone could not make accounts and vote for them selfs therefore no rules were broken. Was this action really low yes but I didn't break any rules. I only used a loophole.

As you can see, I expressed concern for people voting for themselves. If I did that, than voting for themselves multipule times is out of the question. Therefore, he did break the rules of the contest

I'm letting the contestants decide if they want punishment or not however

Expressing concern and not making a ruling on the subject at that point and time was your mistake. And by the way this reads shows that the only reason you even talk about this is because you were afraid the votes would be to spread out not that someone would stack them. All in all I think this all could have been avoided if you guys would have taken 10 extra minutes and made rules for the contest.

One last point imtg law is not a bad thing and I give you props for making it and drawing your line in the sand. Any one who stands for what they believe in right or wrong is a person I respect. But nothing is prefect and its only through our mistakes that we learn and become stronger as a person and as a community. Rules and laws are only as good as the people who write them and no person is prefect so no law is either. And pitor I know you to be an intelligent person so you know everything I have said right or wrong holds merit. And at no point do I want you to think I'm trying to undermine the imtg laws in any way I'm just saying we should never stop improving on them.

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 04:15:21 PM

Quote from: IceScythe on August 01, 2013, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 06:42:39 AM

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same. That's just me though there is always someone out there that is smarter than you was quote I was told to as a child so I always assume anything I can do can be done by another person. Look at it like this I don't want negative karma for things I say but people do it anyways and that hurts me but does it make them wrong. No we all have a right to express our feelings on a situation even if it hurts someone else. So unless you want to do away with your whole karma system on this site then that rule will always be broken or twisted. Why don't we kill? Because a book says its wrong or because we feel that it's wrong. Yet what is war if not killing other people but we still go to it. That's how the world works. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other. And what is good to you can be evil to someone else that's why we have laws that hand out minimum  and maximum  sentencing regardless of the situation. You need to take feelings out of this as they are not always the same as someone else's. so I say we ask him.
Did you expect other people to do the same thing you did? And base a decision on his response so that's my question to you imink. Now off to work so don't take any lack of response as admission to me being right or wrong.

killing is not wrong, murder  is wrong. There is a huge difference in someone being killed by a murderer and a soldier killed in battle.

Killing and murder are hand In hand look at assanation for the betterment of the people it's still murder but people justify as the right thing to do. Think abought Osama dudes broke into his house in the middle of the night and murderd him in cold blood. Was he in the act of committing a crime or act of war at that very point in time no he wasn't so its murder. Now the sob totally deserved it and if you ask me he got off easy. But what they did was still murder. Who's right and who's wrong is dependent on which side of the line you stand on.

Under the law, killing and murder are not one in the same. The definition of murder is "the unlawful taking of another human life with malice a forethought." At least in NY, this definition may change slightly from state to state.

I didn't say it was the same I said they go hand in hand which means depending on the individual you talk to it could be viewed as one or the other.

Well ink you need to answer the question.

Quote from: EvACiDe on August 01, 2013, 04:22:19 PM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 04:15:21 PM

Quote from: IceScythe on August 01, 2013, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 06:42:39 AM

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same. That's just me though there is always someone out there that is smarter than you was quote I was told to as a child so I always assume anything I can do can be done by another person. Look at it like this I don't want negative karma for things I say but people do it anyways and that hurts me but does it make them wrong. No we all have a right to express our feelings on a situation even if it hurts someone else. So unless you want to do away with your whole karma system on this site then that rule will always be broken or twisted. Why don't we kill? Because a book says its wrong or because we feel that it's wrong. Yet what is war if not killing other people but we still go to it. That's how the world works. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other. And what is good to you can be evil to someone else that's why we have laws that hand out minimum  and maximum  sentencing regardless of the situation. You need to take feelings out of this as they are not always the same as someone else's. so I say we ask him.
Did you expect other people to do the same thing you did? And base a decision on his response so that's my question to you imink. Now off to work so don't take any lack of response as admission to me being right or wrong.

killing is not wrong, murder  is wrong. There is a huge difference in someone being killed by a murderer and a soldier killed in battle.

Killing and murder are hand In hand look at assanation for the betterment of the people it's still murder but people justify as the right thing to do. Think abought Osama dudes broke into his house in the middle of the night and murderd him in cold blood. Was he in the act of committing a crime or act of war at that very point in time no he wasn't so its murder. Now the sob totally deserved it and if you ask me he got off easy. But what they did was still murder. Who's right and who's wrong is dependent on which side of the line you stand on.

Under the law, killing and murder are not one in the same. The definition of murder is "the unlawful taking of another human life with malice a forethought." At least in NY, this definition may change slightly from state to state.

I didn't say it was the same I said they go hand in hand which means depending on the individual you talk to it could be viewed as one or the other.

Oh gotcha. I misread

Yes I believe that everyone was capible of voting in the same manner that I did, if they chose to.

Yes I believe that everyone was capible of voting in the same manner that I did, if they chose to.

And did you believe they would?

iMTG Law "Logic is the ultimate law."

What would be the point of having people vote if one person could just make as many accounts as they want to and vote for them self as many times as the want. Common sense dictates you can't do what you did.

Yes I believe that everyone was capible of voting in the same manner that I did, if they chose to.

Are you for real?

Yes I did

iMTG Law "Logic is the ultimate law."

What would be the point of having people vote if one person could just make as many accounts as they want to and vote for them self as many times as the want. Common sense dictates you can't do what you did.

If what you say is true then why does every contest you see have a 1 entry per person clause?