Imink

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same. That's just me though there is always someone out there that is smarter than you was quote I was told to as a child so I always assume anything I can do can be done by another person. Look at it like this I don't want negative karma for things I say but people do it anyways and that hurts me but does it make them wrong. No we all have a right to express our feelings on a situation even if it hurts someone else. So unless you want to do away with your whole karma system on this site then that rule will always be broken or twisted. Why don't we kill? Because a book says its wrong or because we feel that it's wrong. Yet what is war if not killing other people but we still go to it. That's how the world works. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other. And what is good to you can be evil to someone else that's why we have laws that hand out minimum  and maximum  sentencing regardless of the situation. You need to take feelings out of this as they are not always the same as someone else's. so I say we ask him.
Did you expect other people to do the same thing you did? And base a decision on his response so that's my question to you imink. Now off to work so don't take any lack of response as admission to me being right or wrong.

Quote from: whitedrake on July 20, 2013, 08:17:10 AM

As I said... your way... But for me discouraging to vote...

i eliminated a lot of voters by saying people in the contest can't vote. Besides, if I put up a pull, some people may just vote for themselves, and then you have the votes too widely spread to pick a winner

Yes and no there was no rules saying that someone could not make accounts and vote for them selfs therefore no rules were broken. Was this action really low yes but I didn't break any rules. I only used a loophole.

As you can see, I expressed concern for people voting for themselves. If I did that, than voting for themselves multipule times is out of the question. Therefore, he did break the rules of the contest

I'm letting the contestants decide if they want punishment or not however

I think there are two possible punishments, both adjustable in value, that I think would be fair.
1- Karma adjustment. We would have to decide how much negative karma he would receive.
2- Ban him from the next X contests, where X we determine here.

I think there are two possible punishments, both adjustable in value, that I think would be fair.
1- Karma adjustment. We would have to decide how much negative karma he would receive.
2- Ban him from the next X contests, where X we determine here.

Who's to say he won't just make another account and enter the contest?

Quote from: Xaol on August 01, 2013, 08:59:25 AM

I think there are two possible punishments, both adjustable in value, that I think would be fair.
1- Karma adjustment. We would have to decide how much negative karma he would receive.
2- Ban him from the next X contests, where X we determine here.

Who's to say he won't just make another account and enter the contest?

Exactly. Banning isn't an option either. As I've said before, a quick Google search and five minutes later, you can have a new IP address and fly by undetected with a new account. Since he didnt get the prize and he didnt deny it when figured out, I think the best course of action is to let karma work itself out. He's already taken a few hits, and will most likely take a few more.

Quote from: #noided on August 01, 2013, 09:11:12 AM

Quote from: Xaol on August 01, 2013, 08:59:25 AM

I think there are two possible punishments, both adjustable in value, that I think would be fair.
1- Karma adjustment. We would have to decide how much negative karma he would receive.
2- Ban him from the next X contests, where X we determine here.

Who's to say he won't just make another account and enter the contest?

Exactly. Banning isn't an option either. As I've said before, a quick Google search and five minutes later, you can have a new IP address and fly by undetected with a new account. Since he didnt get the prize and he didnt deny it when figured out, I think the best course of action is to let karma work itself out. He's already taken a few hits, and will most likely take a few more.

And IP bans aren't really effective either because its simple to set up a proxy and get by that no problem

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 05:24:44 AM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 12:05:57 AM

As pitor says "Logic is the ultimate law."  And logic points out that any one in the contest had the abilty to do this but didn't and that's not his fault.

Did he do to others what they wouldn't want to be done to them? Your logic is so flawed that I find it disturbing to even discuss this. By your logic it is not my fault if I steal your property because everyone has the ability to steal it. Are you mad?

If trust is so common then why did man invent the lock you need to take a step back and look at the entire situation he didn't lie even dude core agrees to that fact. And it's not the same as there are laws and rules that govern theft in the world. There were no rules in this matter that said he couldn't do this. Right or wrong. And that's how it needs to be looked at. And if you make a contest with out proper rules people will find ways to abuse the system it's fact. So to call me mad because I point out fact not feelings in this matter was childish and uncalled for. If you like to run a community based on a moral stand point that's fine but don't be surprised when people who believe in rules and law but heads with you. I'm sure you at some point have played d&d or something like it it's the dif between good and lawful good. If you look at things from a good perspective you weight out your options when makeing a decision but if your lawful then your feelings don't matter you always do what the laws say regardless of personal feeling.  And like I said karma got this individual but if he wouldn't have put his foot in his mouth he would have won by law he did nothing wrong now morally it was a dick thing to do and you need to see the difference.

Did he do to others what they wouldn't want to be done to them?

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same.

The law cares not a bit what you expect others to do, you cannot project your expectations on people. The law cares about what the others would expect from your actions. The law is addressed to you. Do you expect that people want to be cheated? If you do, you are mad and get the .love. out of here.

Karma number is a public record of karma flow. Karma is people's to give and take, it is protected by free speech natural law. On equal ground you cannot force me to remain silent, that would be doing something what I don't want to be done to me. On private ground the owner can ban you from their property.

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 12:55:16 AM

I do not think I deserve the prize. And I also didn't violate imgt law is that correct?

False. Both cannot be true at the same time. If you didn't violate iMtG law, you deserve the prize as the rightful winner. If you did violate the law, you don't deserve the prize as the cheater. You very clearly did something which people wouldn't want to be done to themselves, you are a cheater, hence you do not deserve the prize.

And if I would have done something like this I would have assumed someone else was doing the same thing so the do one to others rules are not broken in that matter as I'm expecting others to do the same. That's just me though there is always someone out there that is smarter than you was quote I was told to as a child so I always assume anything I can do can be done by another person. Look at it like this I don't want negative karma for things I say but people do it anyways and that hurts me but does it make them wrong. No we all have a right to express our feelings on a situation even if it hurts someone else. So unless you want to do away with your whole karma system on this site then that rule will always be broken or twisted. Why don't we kill? Because a book says its wrong or because we feel that it's wrong. Yet what is war if not killing other people but we still go to it. That's how the world works. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other. And what is good to you can be evil to someone else that's why we have laws that hand out minimum  and maximum  sentencing regardless of the situation. You need to take feelings out of this as they are not always the same as someone else's. so I say we ask him.
Did you expect other people to do the same thing you did? And base a decision on his response so that's my question to you imink. Now off to work so don't take any lack of response as admission to me being right or wrong.

killing is not wrong, murder  is wrong. There is a huge difference in someone being killed by a murderer and a soldier killed in battle.

So what is going to happen since a verdict has not been said?

Shhhh... We're debating. What to do with you.

Hmm very interesting topic I would just like to point out half of the US presidents an most likely other countries leaders and how they got there as well

Shhhh... We're debating. What to do with you.

Why do I picture you fireside, sitting in your family armchair with an ancient double-barrel shotgun in lap whispering this?
My thoughts though, to get back on topic, is to let karma run its course and ban him from further contests to the best of your ability.

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 02:30:21 PM

Shhhh... We're debating. What to do with you.

Why do I picture you fireside, sitting in your family armchair with an ancient double-barrel shotgun in lap whispering this?
My thoughts though, to get back on topic, is to let karma run its course and ban him from further contests to the best of your ability.

Lol it would def fit the views he has expressed on this topic.

But back to the prob at hand he never answered my question. Did you or did you not expect other people to do this?

Hmm very interesting topic I would just like to point out half of the US presidents an most likely other countries leaders and how they got there as well

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