What do you believe in?

Started by Sevenfold, July 23, 2012, 04:41:37 AM

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JaCe BeLeReN

*Finding God in The Lord of the Rings*
By Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware

Coffee Vampire

{Emerkul, the Creator}
Legendary Creature
If Emerkul is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with him in the battlefield. If you would draw him, exile him.
If Emerkul, the Creator would be cast somehow, the player who cast him loses the game.
If any player touches Emerkul, the Creator while he is on the battlefield, that player loses the game.
Only one copy of Emerkul, the Creator may be used in a deck.
If Emerkul, the Creator is in a deck, any player who uses that deck in a game may not muligan.
Protection from colored spells
Tap Emerkul to put a 1/1 white human token onto the battlefield under your control.
Untap Emerkul to put a 1/1 black human token unto the battlefield under your control.
15/15

Some of my friends believe in this guy ^

Fenster

Quote from: BlackJester on July 23, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: Fenster on July 23, 2012, 01:35:47 PM
Common mistake! Although the name seemingly sugests that the worship of satan is part of this religion its not.
Devil worship is a completly different religion. Satanism is named so because it stands for in simple terms egoism and is all about yourself, wich is the opposite of christian values such as "Love thy neighbor" etc.
Not very informed about this but its pretty much what i said. Feel free to correct me :)
Really?  Well, if I'm mistaken then the name is very misleading.  Why not just go with pure Hedonism?  If it feels good, do it.
Think of it as "Reverse christianity" but not exactly :)

smokin terry

Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
I was raised Christian. But after I moved on my own and had time to think, I realized that I doubt I would believe in the Bible if I hadn't been raised to do so. I'm sure if my parents were Muslim, I would have worshiped Allah. Jewish, I would be skimming the Torah. Each religion is certain they know the truth, with no true reason other than being born into it. By definition, it wouldn't be faith if there was evidence.

I've always felt that the divine was attributed to anything man could not explain, which is why most faiths no longer have a deity for every natural phenomena, and now simply have a creator.

And it is for that reason I'm not an atheist: I can't explain the origin of the universe. Whether it was the hand of God or a spontaneous inexplicable event, neither can be explained logically. And to be certain of either is impossible without belief.

My agnostic perspective tends to be misrepresented and always seems to incense both Christians and atheists alike, but I can't bring myself to assert that something is true without a reason why.

That's my two cents, anyway...
Agreed with everything you said. Most people that get into arguements over religion follow it blindly without an open mind to others, which 90%+ of every religion and kindergarten teaches is treat others how you want to be treated.

Love your avatar by the way.

Kareason

Quote from: Xanzurth on July 23, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
The great thing about this country is you can believe what you want and act like a stupid idiot defending that belief. Most people can't talk about their belief, not religion cuz atheists and agnostics don't have one, without get uppidity and defensive. But for me who is a Christian an adult conversation with other beliefs is refreshing. Remember everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness so respect other people's beliefs as they respect yours.

Couldn't agree more. Like someone else said, no reason this can't be kept adult and respectful. I have friends of varied religions. In fact 3 members of my play group as Asatru.

Xanzurth

Quote from: Fenster on July 23, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 23, 2012, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: Fenster on July 23, 2012, 08:55:50 AM
Im an atheist until proven otherwise :)

Don't ask for someone to prove it, just leave it alone.

IBTF
No i didnt mean like that, if someone could prove anything i'd believe. But so far none have. Im just saying im openminded to all theories as long as they can be backed up by facts that are not pure guessing or man made fiction. There are mysteries out there that science have no explenation for, yet.

That is not atheism that is agnostic. Please review a belief before you pick it. Will give you a better understanding of what your suppose to belief.

Fenster

Quote from: Xanzurth on July 23, 2012, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Fenster on July 23, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: Willthomjr on July 23, 2012, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: Fenster on July 23, 2012, 08:55:50 AM
Im an atheist until proven otherwise :)

Don't ask for someone to prove it, just leave it alone.

IBTF
No i didnt mean like that, if someone could prove anything i'd believe. But so far none have. Im just saying im openminded to all theories as long as they can be backed up by facts that are not pure guessing or man made fiction. There are mysteries out there that science have no explenation for, yet.

That is not atheism that is agnostic. Please review a belief before you pick it. Will give you a better understanding of what your suppose to belief.
Atheism is believing in no supernatural forces. I dont.

Xanzurth

Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
I was raised Christian. But after I moved on my own and had time to think, I realized that I doubt I would believe in the Bible if I hadn't been raised to do so. I'm sure if my parents were Muslim, I would have worshiped Allah. Jewish, I would be skimming the Torah. Each religion is certain they know the truth, with no true reason other than being born into it. By definition, it wouldn't be faith if there was evidence.

I've always felt that the divine was attributed to anything man could not explain, which is why most faiths no longer have a deity for every natural phenomena, and now simply have a creator.

And it is for that reason I'm not an atheist: I can't explain the origin of the universe. Whether it was the hand of God or a spontaneous inexplicable event, neither can be explained logically. And to be certain of either is impossible without belief.

My agnostic perspective tends to be misrepresented and always seems to incense both Christians and atheists alike, but I can't bring myself to assert that something is true without a reason why.

That's my two cents, anyway...

I agree with you on us not knowing how the universe/multiverse was created because none of us were there. Here is where I have a problem, science and scientist alike trying to shove the big bang theory and others like down our throat as is was the "gospel" truth. If you look into it, if my memory serves me correctly they are only about 50% sure that the BBT is how this "verse" was created. Statistically to me it is an improbability that life just spontaneously sprouted on earth. I have always felt a divine present to myself and look at the world around me and see intelligent design every where. Now with that you can also see evolution every where. So in conclusion I believe God created everything and has been content to sit back and watch how his creations play out.

Coffee Vampire

Atheists have come to a conclusion. Agnostics have not yet come to a conclusion and are open to ideas. Doubtful maybe of the supernatural but still looking.

Elitehalo360

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Praise Lilith! Hopefully someone will know the referance...
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Elitehalo360

Btw I am atheist, I was rose to be a catholic like my parents but I renounced my religion when I was 11, and have been ever since, I try not to push down anyone's religion but it gets really hard not to when they try to shove it down your throat, I do hate what religion is and has become, I feel it has become a tool to control people into doing stupid things, like ruining the American dream, I mean I was and still am all for abortion when used properly, properly meaning if the mother wot survive the pregnacy, the mother was raped, or the baby won't survive due to complications, and yet people are using religion to say its wrong and sinful, who are you to judge?! I'm damn sure that the bible you love to preach about say that god will judge you not his people -.- and ughhh sorry /rant gf is 8weeks and we have to get one because she was born without a thyroid and can't keep up on her pills because the egg is sucking all the nutrients out of her slowly killing her and they're are supposed to be protesters out in front of the place and she said I can't go -.-

Gorzo


Falcon182

Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 23, 2012, 03:03:50 PM
Btw I am atheist, I was rose to be a catholic like my parents but I renounced my religion when I was 11, and have been ever since, I try not to push down anyone's religion but it gets really hard not to when they try to shove it down your throat, I do hate what religion is and has become, I feel it has become a tool to control people into doing stupid things, like ruining the American dream, I mean I was and still am all for abortion when used properly, properly meaning if the mother wot survive the pregnacy, the mother was raped, or the baby won't survive due to complications, and yet people are using religion to say its wrong and sinful, who are you to judge?! I'm damn sure that the bible you love to preach about say that god will judge you not his people -.- and ughhh sorry /rant gf is 8weeks and we have to get one because she was born without a thyroid and can't keep up on her pills because the egg is sucking all the nutrients out of her slowly killing her and they're are supposed to be protesters out in front of the place and she said I can't go -.-

Times like those it is helpful to believe in a God. Sorry you're going through that brother.

God talk reminds me of this quote from Pitch Black:

Imam: Because you do not believe in God does not mean God does not believe in - .
Riddick: Think someone could spend half their life in a slam with a horse bit in their mouth and not believe? Think he could start out in some liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and not believe? Got it all wrong, holy man. I absolutely believe in God... And I absolutely hate the ****er.

Not necessarily what I believe but it's an interesting take.

BlackJester

One long response post instead of many mini-quotes:
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on July 23, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
*Finding God in The Lord of the Rings*
By Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware
Is it Funny or serious?  Any good?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 23, 2012, 01:45:54 PM
{Emerkul, the Creator}
...
Some of my friends believe in this guy ^
But does it use the Flying Spaghetti Monster pic?  XD
Quote from: Fenster on July 23, 2012, 01:53:13 PM
Think of it as "Reverse christianity" but not exactly :)
Even so, it requires you to at the very least believe in the existence of a god and/or anti-god, doesn't it?  Otherwise it just becomes a philosophy instead of a religion.
Quote from: Testset on July 23, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Just to clear it up:

"atheist: one who believes that there is no god."

"agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god."

-Taken from Merriam-Webster.

I personally don't like their wordings and prefer to go back to the roots of the words:
Atheism - the a prefix means an absence of or without.  So to add that to Theism = believe in the existence a deity, then you get "someone who holds no belief in the existence of a deity."

There should be a distinction between "I don't believe that a god exists." and "I believe a god does not exist."
Though they seem similar, it's akin to saying "I don't have a believe about the top card of my Library." versus "I believe the top card of my Library is NOT a land card."  (Theists in this case believing that the top card is in fact a land card.)

Conventional use I think has turned Atheist into Antitheist or Non-theist, but the rules-guru in me likes correctness.
That's just me.  YMMV.

AgrusKos

Quote from: Xanzurth on July 23, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
The great thing about this country is you can believe what you want and act like a stupid idiot defending that belief. Most people can't talk about their belief, not religion cuz atheists and agnostics don't have one, without get uppidity and defensive. But for me who is a Christian an adult conversation with other beliefs is refreshing. Remember everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness so respect other people's beliefs as they respect yours.
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