Is Infect OP?

Started by Coffee Vampire, June 10, 2012, 11:14:57 PM

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JaCe BeLeReN

Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on June 11, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 07:03:06 AM
Personally, I think infect is easy to deal with.

Thank you {Melira, Sylvok Outcast}

{doom blade}.....

{Mask of Avacyn}....
{Crush}... Followed by {Dismember}

DevilGin

Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 11, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on June 11, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 07:03:06 AM
Personally, I think infect is easy to deal with.

Thank you {Melira, Sylvok Outcast}

{doom blade}.....

{Mask of Avacyn}....
{Crush}... Followed by {Dismember}


{day of judgement}

JaCe BeLeReN

Quote from: DevilGin on June 11, 2012, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 11, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on June 11, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 07:03:06 AM
Personally, I think infect is easy to deal with.

Thank you {Melira, Sylvok Outcast}

{doom blade}.....

{Mask of Avacyn}....
{Crush}... Followed by {Dismember}


{day of judgement}
Another possibility. The point is, since Melira is the only protection against infect, she's vulnerable. Very vulnerable.

scarsabrex

melira isn't the only protection against infect... gut shots, and regular removal work just as well.

BlackJester

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Quote from: BlackJester on June 11, 2012, 03:07:40 AM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 11, 2012, 01:36:51 AM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on June 11, 2012, 01:35:48 AM
If infect was overpowered then it would be showing up in tournaments heavily.

Phoenix Arizona. Come. You'll change your statement.
I doubt he will.
Quote from: Kuberr on June 11, 2012, 03:28:39 AM
Another Canuck?
...change his statement.

JohnSalun007

Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 11, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: DevilGin on June 11, 2012, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 11, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on June 11, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
Quote from: JohnSalun007 on June 11, 2012, 07:03:06 AM
Personally, I think infect is easy to deal with.

Thank you {Melira, Sylvok Outcast}

{doom blade}.....

{Mask of Avacyn}....
{Crush}... Followed by {Dismember}


{day of judgement}
Another possibility. The point is, since Melira is the only protection against infect, she's vulnerable. Very vulnerable.

COUNTERSPELLS!!!!!!
And combine Melira with Avacyn and give em both a mask. EPIC WIN!!!!

Nobbert

The bottom line is that if you think infect is OP, then most likely you haven't ever played an infect deck, just against one. Infect, more than other decks, MUST win within the first five-six turns or else it loses all its had. And since all your creatures are very weak, mostly 1/1, you have to summon them wisely because removal against them is very very east to achieve. It is a lot of math involved and a lot of skill.

Kuberr

Quote from: Nobbert on June 11, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
The bottom line is that if you think infect is OP, then most likely you haven't ever played an infect deck, just against one. Infect, more than other decks, MUST win within the first five-six turns or else it loses all its had. And since all your creatures are very weak, mostly 1/1, you have to summon them wisely because removal against them is very very east to achieve. It is a lot of math involved and a lot of skill.

I've seen plenty of 4/4 flying and 11/11 trample infect creatures.

cltrn81

Quote from: Nobbert on June 11, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
The bottom line is that if you think infect is OP, then most likely you haven't ever played an infect deck, just against one. Infect, more than other decks, MUST win within the first five-six turns or else it loses all its had. And since all your creatures are very weak, mostly 1/1, you have to summon them wisely because removal against them is very very east to achieve. It is a lot of math involved and a lot of skill.
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Could not have said it better myself.  My U/G Infect deck is Legacy speed and can do T2 kills but if it goes past T4 my odds of winning start to diminish rapidly ....especially against removal.....and most Legacy decks have some form of removal.

Silent1236

Quote from: Kuberr on June 11, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on June 11, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
The bottom line is that if you think infect is OP, then most likely you haven't ever played an infect deck, just against one. Infect, more than other decks, MUST win within the first five-six turns or else it loses all its had. And since all your creatures are very weak, mostly 1/1, you have to summon them wisely because removal against them is very very east to achieve. It is a lot of math involved and a lot of skill.

I've seen plenty of 4/4 flying and 11/11 trample infect creatures.

I'm assuming you mean you have seen Skittles and Blightsteel plenty of times?  I can't think of any other infect cards with those specifics.  You'd need to get Skittles out sooner than T5 for him to be more than a last ditch effort.  And Blightsteel is just a dumb idea to try to get to unless you're running straight mana ramp and him.  {Blighted Agent} could be OP if you don't kill him before your opponent buffs him with hexproof, etc.  But he's a 1/1. {Shock}, {Pillar of Flame}, {Doom Blade}, blah blah blah.  Any burn/kill card.  Same with Skittles, he's a 4/4, but you could {Dismember}, {Grasp of Darkness}, or anything that employs -1/-1 counters.  And all you have to do against Blightsteel is make them sac him.  Simple {Geth's Verdict}....

BlackJester

Quote from: Silent1236 on June 11, 2012, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 11, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
I've seen plenty of 4/4 flying and 11/11 trample infect creatures.

I'm assuming you mean you have seen Skittles and Blightsteel plenty of times?  I can't think of any other infect cards with those specifics.  You'd need to get Skittles out sooner than T5 for him to be more than a last ditch effort.  And Blightsteel is just a dumb idea to try to get to unless you're running straight mana ramp and him.  {Blighted Agent} could be OP if you don't kill him before your opponent buffs him with hexproof, etc.  But he's a 1/1. {Shock}, {Pillar of Flame}, {Doom Blade}, blah blah blah.  Any burn/kill card.  Same with Skittles, he's a 4/4, but you could {Dismember}, {Grasp of Darkness}, or anything that employs -1/-1 counters.  And all you have to do against Blightsteel is make them sac him.  Simple {Geth's Verdict}....

I think {Blightsteel Colossus} can easily be played in non-infect decks.  If you can land him in play, your opponent is going to be scrambling to deal with him unless they are already en-route to winning anyway.  He works really well as the only arti in {Shape Anew} decks, but that's just one deck-type.

Infect creatures are weaker.  They need the boost of equipment/auras/buff-spells.  Control can deal with these, and aggro has access to better monsters.  Infect has to win fast or not at all, reminds me of RDW.

But what do I know?  :-\  I don't follow Pro-Tour stuff.

Silent1236

I've been destroyed by {Shape Anew} and {Blightsteel Collossus} once or twice, but I think my friend got bored with it after a couple games and took that deck apart haha.  I'm not trying to say Blightsteel isn't overpowered, but there are was to deal with him.  He's one of the few OP infect cards. 

I agree with you, Jester, if infect doesn't run fast, it just doesn't do very well. 

Kuberr

I have played blightsteel on turn four in my artifact deck before. Though it's rare it's not impossible. Each urza's land then a second tower plus mox opal and lotus petal. Being him out turn four.

Silent1236

Quote from: Kuberr on June 11, 2012, 02:44:03 PM
I have played blightsteel on turn four in my artifact deck before. Though it's rare it's not impossible. Each urza's land then a second tower plus mox opal and lotus petal. Being him out turn four.

I thought we were talking standard ???

Kuberr

Quote from: Silent1236 on June 11, 2012, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on June 11, 2012, 02:44:03 PM
I have played blightsteel on turn four in my artifact deck before. Though it's rare it's not impossible. Each urza's land then a second tower plus mox opal and lotus petal. Being him out turn four.

I thought we were talking standard ???

Where did it say that?
Plus if you have ever seen me post. You'll know I don't play standard.