Lands in front of spells

[Kaylesh]

Wasn't it in the 4th Ed. Rule Book stating that your non-land permanents had to be in front of your lands?

I've still got a Vth, lemme check that for you. I think I remember otherwise...

[Splicer]

I speak for the shard of Esper, in which we have disposed of your petty squabbles. As we force you to comply with our plans, you begin to lose yourself. As you die, you can look up at us and ask, "Why?", but our only response will be,"Because you aren't worth it."

Lol jk but blue is so much fun, I don't understand the blatant disregard for other's prefrences.

[Double-O-Scotch]

I mean ever {U} Mage has to splash for removal. I play {U}{W} for Elspeth and End Hostilities. I'm a fun player to play against sure I like to win but I like to crack jokes make small talk etc. it's not like we are robots lol but again I like to win hence why I play {U}

Of course, everyone likes to win. And if what you say about yourself is true, my argument is not directed at you.  Rather, it's directed at blue itself. There is such a thing as obnoxiously too much control. The point is to stop them from winning, not stop them from playing. I've banned Teferi decks from my house on principal only. Made an exception once and it led to a turn 3 {omniscience}. I will never get that time back. Fred Estaire moments, I call them. Tappety tap tap tap tap tap UNTAAAAAP!  Much to my annoyance, that musical number is rather long. It's why I took the {derevi, empyrial tactician} deck apart. Which brings me full circle. Blue is the powerhouse. It's supposed to be. Let me put it this way, if magic was duck hunt, the more blue you play, the closer you get to the t.v. And the easier the game is. But I wouldn't walk around saying "look how good I am! I even hold the gun upside down! We're the only real players, that's why we sit so close, cause we care so deeply". It's like the tee you shoot from while golfing. And not only is blue closer to the pin, but is down there blocking your shots and throwing your balls back towards the tee.

Obnoxiously frustrating.

watching 2 players do that to each other is always entertaining.  It's like watching 3 stooges. But when you aren't prepared to lower yourself to that level by maindecking against it, it's absurd.

I'm beginning to think it's cause there are just two types of players, not the Johnny, Spike, etc. types.

You have players that play to win and players that play to have fun. They don't mingle well. I'm not saying there are people who don't want to win. I said earlier, everyone wants to win. However, I would rather lose the game after an intense struggle against a well matched opponent than win cheaply like that. It's not about the W. It's about enjoying the game which boils down to respect. Which is the motivation concerning my original post about lands up front.

I leave you with my new favourite old card. I want the artwork jumbo sized, framed and hung on my living room wall. {nature's wrath}

[Splicer]

Wow  that natures wrath is the definition of a non fun edh without using blue lol.

[Double-O-Scotch]

Wow  that natures wrath is the definition of a non fun edh without using blue lol.

Being a 6-drop, it never actually resolves. But that has its uses too.

[griffin131]

We've gotten way afield from the topic...

[Double-O-Scotch]

Name one situation where control is "terrible" lol

[Kaylesh]

Back in the day we had a house-rule in our playgroup, banning those hate-cards.. Respect and fun were the mottos with which we played. Oh, the days relive after my research of good old rule books, finding my first 5th edition (DUTCH) intact except for the cover. (Booklet the size of a magic card, 80 pages..)
However, in those 80 pages nothing is mentioned about the layout of the battlefield.
All that is said, is to expect to play a lot of cards, so to use a flat, dry surface.
In the booklets from Urza's Saga & Legacy, not much rules info is included. Some rule changes that remind you how much has changed (New trample rule that stopped trample be a redirection effect but allowed to do more than lethal damage to a creature to compensate for prevention (And where creatures such as {fog bank} would be plain ignored by tramplers)).
However: nothing on board layout.
The earliest thing I could find was the M13 rules poster, which clearly states: lands are played nearest to you.
It's in the rules folks

[Kaylesh]

Name one situation where control is "terrible" lol

Situation is a bit old, but mono-{U} counter/control vs {scragnoth}. Terrible carnage, every game.

[Splicer]

Name one situation where control is "terrible" lol

When you are playing against a super fast deck that kills you before you can get into the endgame. Trust me, control has it's weaknesses.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

I am by no means a control player, but I feel the need to clarify ..... playing control and using counterspells etc that lead to winning a game is not a 'cheap' way to win. It is a legitimate strategy that was intended to be a part of the game. If something that is by no means overpowered or oppressive offends you that much that you believe it is 'cheap' than not only do I say that magic may not be for you, but if anyone says to me 'x strategy is a cheap way to win' then I would intentionally only play that strategy against them and during the games constantly call their strategy cheap, cos im a dick like that 

Also, by calling it cheap arent you being arrogant exactly like you are claiming blue mages are?

[Double-O-Scotch]

I am by no means a control player, but I feel the need to clarify ..... playing control and using counterspells etc that lead to winning a game is not a 'cheap' way to win. It is a legitimate strategy that was intended to be a part of the game. If something that is by no means overpowered or oppressive offends you that much that you believe it is 'cheap' than not only do I say that magic may not be for you, but if anyone says to me 'x strategy is a cheap way to win' then I would intentionally only play that strategy against them and during the games constantly call their strategy cheap, cos im a dick like that 

Also, by calling it cheap arent you being arrogant exactly like you are claiming blue mages are?

Again, the butthurt, emotionally invested response. I can only imagine how many {Ertai, wizard adept} EDH decks are in the works after reading this thread cause that's what you guys do. "What? You don't like that? It's not fun? Here's a whole deck based on it. Brewhahahahaha!!!!"

I'm not saying I cry foul ever time someone plays a counter. I also enjoy a lot of blue and would love to see someone get punted with a {polar kraken}.

I'm saying that obnoxious oppression of the game (which is intrinsically blue) makes the game unfun. I'm not saying we should do away with blue. I'm saying blue requires more depth. I'm not saying I won't play with blue cards or against blue decks. I'm not saying that all of blue is a cheap way to win. I'm saying that counterspelling your opponents strategy is far easier and requires less resources than confronting it. If used in excess, the game comes to a grinding halt and nobody is playing anything anymore. Hence, unfun.

And now that I'm sure I'm clearly angering some of you, I also take issue with black. Totally a new thread, though. We're not even talking about land placement anymore.

You're seriously gonna fight me on this? You've never heard the old joke,

Island: the most powerful card in magic's history. It's funny cause it's kinda true.

[Splicer]

Creating a new thread for people to continue this off-topic conversation.

[Double-O-Scotch]

Creating a new thread for people to continue this off-topic conversation.

Sweet lol

[Kaylesh]

Creating a new thread for people to continue this off-topic conversation.

Much appreciated