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[griffin131]

Not that it matters because the proxy rules are the same at any DCI event.

A judge can approve a "proxy" if you have the card and it's unplayable due to condition, or marked like a bent foil. It seems like these are on case by case tho.

Only if it gets damaged during the event.
And that's not what the conversation was about anyway - Taysby said his head judge essentially told him to proxy anything as long as he owns it.

[MuggyWuggy]

Judge call: what defines reasonable ?

[Falcon182]

Not that it matters because the proxy rules are the same at any DCI event.

A judge can approve a "proxy" if you have the card and it's unplayable due to condition, or marked like a bent foil. It seems like these are on case by case tho.

Only if it gets damaged during the event.
And that's not what the conversation was about anyway - Taysby said his head judge essentially told him to proxy anything as long as he owns it.

Not necessarily. I've seen a judge deck check a foiled out legacy deck and make the player replace 2 foil cards that had more bend than other cards, saying they were too easy to cut to.

[griffin131]

*anything expensive that no reasonable person would get more than 4 of

Which still violates the DCI rules.

[Kaylesh]

Not that it matters because the proxy rules are the same at any DCI event.

A judge can approve a "proxy" if you have the card and it's unplayable due to condition, or marked like a bent foil. It seems like these are on case by case tho.

Only if it gets damaged during the event.
And that's not what the conversation was about anyway - Taysby said his head judge essentially told him to proxy anything as long as he owns it.

Not necessarily. I've seen a judge deck check a foiled out legacy deck and make the player replace 2 foil cards that had more bend than other cards, saying they were too easy to cut to.

Just curious. Say these two cards where foil Gouda. Would you have to replace them right then, or could you run tokens to replace them for the tournament?

[griffin131]

Typically you run proxies while they're in a hidden zone (Library, hand), but replace them with the real thing when they're in a public zone (Battlefield, graveyard, etc)

[Kaylesh]

Typically you run proxies while they're in a hidden zone (Library, hand), but replace them with the real thing when they're in a public zone (Battlefield, graveyard, etc)

Tx. BTW: Gouda was meant to be Goyfs. Just in case anyone wondered.

[LinkCelestrial]

My playgroup uses proxies but you must own the card. It's like flip cards (Innistrad). You must own as many as you're proxy-ing and when it hits the field/stack/whatever you've gotta being out the real one.

This lets us scrubs with few selves keep our valuable cards safe as well as make swapping decks faster as you don't have to swap cards.

[MuggyWuggy]

Ugh. If you can't afford 12 tarms then you shouldn't have 3 decks with them

[Rass]

It's not a question of being able to afford them.  I could buy 16 {lion's eye diamond}s, I just have 0 desire to.  I think 4 is plenty, when they are all my decks.

/nod

True.

[LinkCelestrial]

It's not a question of being able to afford them.  I could buy 16 {lion's eye diamond}s, I just have 0 desire to.  I think 4 is plenty, when they are all my decks.

/nod

True.

Agreed.

[griffin131]

It's not a question of being able to afford them.  I could buy 16 {lion's eye diamond}s, I just have 0 desire to.  I think 4 is plenty, when they are all my decks.

For casual play that's fine.
For competitive, sanctioned events do everyone a favor and opt not to be lazy.

Especially because the DCI forbids what you're doing rather specifically.

[griffin131]

By "lazy" I mean "move your cards to the deck you're playing"

[LinkCelestrial]

Competitively you should have your deck sleeved or double sleeved and 0 proxies. If a LGS wants to put on an event so they allow 10 proxy modern or whatever that's fine. But as far as FNM and such goes you should have everything you're playing with there in paper.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

I'm loaning out decks so legacy can actually happen. I would buy the cards if needed, but owning 12 LEDs is stupid.

Yeah but when you own 4, yet 12 appear in decks that you own at the same time, (if you are lending them out), that is not only not right, but not fair on the people who dont own 4, therefore they play less than 4.