Jeskai Heroic

Started by Drayton99, April 26, 2015, 03:04:38 AM

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Drayton99

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
{Hero of Iroas} is a must.
BUDGET Jeskai Heroic

$3 is cheap. If you can't handle that then you can't play competitive magic in Modern. At least not with this style of deck. $3 is really reasonable.
I understand that, but in my opinion, I don't like {Hero of Iroas} enough to make it worth $4 to me

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
{Hero of Iroas} is a must.
BUDGET Jeskai Heroic

$3 is cheap. If you can't handle that then you can't play competitive magic in Modern. At least not with this style of deck. $3 is really reasonable.
I understand that, but in my opinion, I don't like {Hero of Iroas} enough to make it worth $4 to me

It is key to Heroic in standard. It's how you get {Ordeal of Thassa} to draw you cards the turn you cast it. For {U}.

Drayton99

Quote from: Munchlax on April 26, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
{Battlefield Thaumaturge} is this decks best friend. Also, don't play modern until you have a deck that will be able to go toe to toe with true competitive decks. It won't get you anything but sadness trust me I've tried
The only spell that benefits from {Battlefield Thaumaturge} in this deck is {Ajani's Presence} :(. Every other instant or sorcery has no colorless in its mana cost

Drayton99

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
{Hero of Iroas} is a must.
BUDGET Jeskai Heroic

$3 is cheap. If you can't handle that then you can't play competitive magic in Modern. At least not with this style of deck. $3 is really reasonable.
I understand that, but in my opinion, I don't like {Hero of Iroas} enough to make it worth $4 to me

It is key to Heroic in standard. It's how you get {Ordeal of Thassa} to draw you cards the turn you cast it. For {U}.
You know, I think {Hero of Iroas} could replace my {Favored Hoplite}s very nicely

griffin131

Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on April 26, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
{Hero of Iroas} is a must.
BUDGET Jeskai Heroic
I was going to suggest fetches, but saying no to a $16 investment...
Since when are fetches budget?
They're not. Which is why I didn't suggest them.

Kaalia with haste

No no no no no never cut favored hoplite! It's THE BEST heroic creature hands down. I played heroic and standard (took apart to get ready for rotation) and believe me it's the best out of all of them.

Drayton99

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 27, 2015, 07:56:24 AM
No no no no no never cut favored hoplite! It's THE BEST heroic creature hands down. I played heroic and standard (took apart to get ready for rotation) and believe me it's the best out of all of them.
Then what should I replace? I'm happy with the current decklist, but I would love to find room for a few {Favored Hoplite}

Drayton99

Quote from: CbStrad on April 27, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 26, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 26, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
{Hero of Iroas} is a must.
BUDGET Jeskai Heroic

$3 is cheap. If you can't handle that then you can't play competitive magic in Modern. At least not with this style of deck. $3 is really reasonable.
I understand that, but in my opinion, I don't like {Hero of Iroas} enough to make it worth $4 to me

It is key to Heroic in standard. It's how you get {Ordeal of Thassa} to draw you cards the turn you cast it. For {U}.
This. I used to not like him, until I used a deck that ran him. He's kinda like {Torrent Elemental} and {Yasova Dragonclaw}; doesn't look like much, but he beats faces when you start using him
Yeah, I decided that I want to add a couple to this deck

MommaB

You might wanna think about  {Distortion Strike}  {Emerge Unscathed} and maybe even  a {World at War} .... Especially unscathed in place of gods willing both instant both one W to cast except you get it twice!

Drayton99

Quote from: ConanEdo on April 28, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
Why are you not running Boggles? It's easy to build (minus the mana base, but no modern is going to have a cheap one) and you don't have to play cards like {God's Willing}. In modern people have bolts, {Abrupt Decay}, {Slaughter Pact}, and {Path to Exile}. There's way too much efficient removal to try and protect your dudes. Heroic works in standard because 3 damage starts at 2 mana, and outright killing starts at 3.
Gods willing counters all of those doesn't it? If you give a creature protection from black for instance, then it can't be the target of {Slaughter Pact} so it saves it. Right?

Spencer Addington

Quote from: Drayton99 on April 28, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on April 28, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
Why are you not running Boggles? It's easy to build (minus the mana base, but no modern is going to have a cheap one) and you don't have to play cards like {God's Willing}. In modern people have bolts, {Abrupt Decay}, {Slaughter Pact}, and {Path to Exile}. There's way too much efficient removal to try and protect your dudes. Heroic works in standard because 3 damage starts at 2 mana, and outright killing starts at 3.
Gods willing counters all of those doesn't it? If you give a creature protection from black for instance, then it can't be the target of {Slaughter Pact} so it saves it. Right?
Right, but it's inefficient because you have to use a card to protect. Boggles are cheap hexproof creatures so you don't have to waste a card for protection

MommaB

Quote from: ConanEdo on April 28, 2015, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on April 28, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 28, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on April 28, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
Why are you not running Boggles? It's easy to build (minus the mana base, but no modern is going to have a cheap one) and you don't have to play cards like {God's Willing}. In modern people have bolts, {Abrupt Decay}, {Slaughter Pact}, and {Path to Exile}. There's way too much efficient removal to try and protect your dudes. Heroic works in standard because 3 damage starts at 2 mana, and outright killing starts at 3.
Gods willing counters all of those doesn't it? If you give a creature protection from black for instance, then it can't be the target of {Slaughter Pact} so it saves it. Right?
Right, but it's inefficient because you have to use a card to protect. Boggles are cheap hexproof creatures so you don't have to waste a card for protection
Not only that, but you can tap out to play your enchantments on turns 2 and 3 without fear of getting blanked by Bolt or Abrupt Decay. Green also gives you access to Dryad Arbor to protect against Edict effects, something decks like this are vulnerable to.

All true but isn't the point to help make the deck better and improve the thought of the deck and not say "just run this bc it's better"

Spencer Addington

Quote from: MommaB on April 28, 2015, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on April 28, 2015, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on April 28, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Drayton99 on April 28, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on April 28, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
Why are you not running Boggles? It's easy to build (minus the mana base, but no modern is going to have a cheap one) and you don't have to play cards like {God's Willing}. In modern people have bolts, {Abrupt Decay}, {Slaughter Pact}, and {Path to Exile}. There's way too much efficient removal to try and protect your dudes. Heroic works in standard because 3 damage starts at 2 mana, and outright killing starts at 3.
Gods willing counters all of those doesn't it? If you give a creature protection from black for instance, then it can't be the target of {Slaughter Pact} so it saves it. Right?
Right, but it's inefficient because you have to use a card to protect. Boggles are cheap hexproof creatures so you don't have to waste a card for protection
Not only that, but you can tap out to play your enchantments on turns 2 and 3 without fear of getting blanked by Bolt or Abrupt Decay. Green also gives you access to Dryad Arbor to protect against Edict effects, something decks like this are vulnerable to.

All true but isn't the point to help make the deck better and improve the thought of the deck and not say "just run this bc it's better"
Is it wrong to suggest a deck he might not know about that is in fact better? If I was running a deck and there was one that was very similar in playstyle and was proven better I would appreciate it.

LinkCelestrial

The problem is some people's delivery comes across as rude. Intended or not.

Codester1991

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 28, 2015, 10:51:08 PM
The problem is some people's delivery comes across as rude. Intended or not.

Yup, when I first started posting here as a beginner all I'd get is "that's wrong" "no, do this" "this is obviously better" rather than an explanation as to why those things work and my idea wouldn't. In ConanEdos case he did explain the reasons to why he was suggesting bogles over heroic. So power to you Conan.
Also to the original poster if you like our advice take it and run with it and if you don't like it just remember it's your deck, your money, your cards, and your fun so do whatever you want to :) it's not like we are gonna get your IP Address, hunt you down, and make sure you're running a playset of Hero of Iroas 😝