Dropping from a draft.

[MacheteMable]

Buying a new pack compromises the integrity of the draft.

We had this issue with a foil opening a foil clique and a normal clique in one pack of modern masters. That's an insane amount of value. I think it is justified to pick up and leave. If you're drafting and open a money rare or foil out of your colors rare draft.

7 person pod vs 8 isn't a big change. Especially at fnm. Just enjoy the freaking game and be happy for the guy getting a bomb pack and forfeiting his playtime. He feels like he won the lottery and rightly so.

[Dsx Cherno]

Buying a new pack compromises the integrity of the draft.

We had this issue with a foil opening a foil clique and a normal clique in one pack of modern masters. That's an insane amount of value. I think it is justified to pick up and leave. If you're drafting and open a money rare or foil out of your colors rare draft.

7 person pod vs 8 isn't a big change. Especially at fnm. Just enjoy the freaking game and be happy for the guy getting a bomb pack and forfeiting his playtime. He feels like he won the lottery and rightly so.

As far as I'm concerned, he got the ultra secret grand prize. If he wants a shot at the $20 prize, he needs to draft his $100 cards. Shouldn't be allowed to have both

[Ekann1]

Buying a new pack compromises the integrity of the draft.

We had this issue with a foil opening a foil clique and a normal clique in one pack of modern masters. That's an insane amount of value. I think it is justified to pick up and leave. If you're drafting and open a money rare or foil out of your colors rare draft.

7 person pod vs 8 isn't a big change. Especially at fnm. Just enjoy the freaking game and be happy for the guy getting a bomb pack and forfeiting his playtime. He feels like he won the lottery and rightly so.

As far as I'm concerned, he got the ultra secret grand prize. If he wants a shot at the $20 prize, he needs to draft his $100 cards. Shouldn't be allowed to have both

Exactly. It's fine if he wants to leave, but he can't just buy more packs until he feels like they're good to play with.

[particle]

I believe an lgs ought to make clear what their policy is before drafting. If you don't agree with their policy don't draft there. However, if halfway through a draft, a player wants to pack mulligan, and the store has never discussed this situation before, unless the whole pod agrees I think it would be unfair to allow him to rebuy. And I do agree that a 7 man is much worse than an 8 man. But I still fail to see an actual way to determine a fair dollar amount for when people can pack mulligan and when they can't. Otherwise you are incentivizing players to mulligan until they hit less then the expected value.

[MacheteMable]

The buy is an "issue" in that someone gets a free win and a possibility of bad breakers. Same issue as ANY tournament with an odd number of people. It really does not affect the draft environment very much. The statistics are marginal at best. 8 person pods are just for smoothness and pairings.

The issue with adding a pack is the ethics of it. If everyone can do it the draft can potentially become inconsistent and unbalanced.

How would you feel if someone has an emergency and has to leave in the middle of drafting? Same issue, different circumstance.

[Dsx Cherno]

How would you feel if someone has an emergency and has to leave in the middle of drafting? Same issue, different circumstance.

Same as I feel about pack mulligan. If you have to leave, you have to leave. You make the choice to pick up ur cards and exit the game. And to cover this question before someone asks me, if I crack a huge pack, I fully expect to have to sit out the tourney if I keep it. I chose to not draft that pack, therefore. It adhering to the design of the format, so I am auto disqualified. Because I made the choice that the contents of this pack are worth more than the possible top prize.

[DimirOverlord1300]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

[Rass]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

I'm confused on this.

[Dsx Cherno]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

So he "drafted" that card, in the sense that he only grabbed that card from that pack? Why didn't he just legitimately grab that card, and just not use it, if it's an issue of damaging the card? I think I'm missing part of the puzzle

[griffin131]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

So he "drafted" that card, in the sense that he only grabbed that card from that pack? Why didn't he just legitimately grab that card, and just not use it, if it's an issue of damaging the card? I think I'm missing part of the puzzle

There were two money cards. He used his P1 for the first money card, they put a token in for the second money card and he sacrificed his P2 to take the token, but was guaranteed the two money cards.

[Dsx Cherno]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

So he "drafted" that card, in the sense that he only grabbed that card from that pack? Why didn't he just legitimately grab that card, and just not use it, if it's an issue of damaging the card? I think I'm missing part of the puzzle

There were two money cards. He used his P1 for the first money card, they put a token in for the second money card and he sacrificed his P2 to take the token, but was guaranteed the two money cards.

Ah. I gotcha. I gotta say I would be pissed if I was next for that pack. But if that's what the LGS felt was right, then cool. It sounds like they have had it come up before.

[Rass]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

So he "drafted" that card, in the sense that he only grabbed that card from that pack? Why didn't he just legitimately grab that card, and just not use it, if it's an issue of damaging the card? I think I'm missing part of the puzzle

There were two money cards. He used his P1 for the first money card, they put a token in for the second money card and he sacrificed his P2 to take the token, but was guaranteed the two money cards.

That's kinda shitty. The reason they are money is because they are good. Not only do they get good cards to use they also get a chance at prize packs with two good cards. Especially if they are good cards that can work good together.

[Dmreiss]

This situation happened at fnm this week. Our event coordinator/guy who runs all the magic stuff just put a token in the pack in place of the other card he wanted and then the guy didn't get to take a second card from the pack. Overall, I think that this is something up to store owners, but I think that buying a new pack is fair.

So he "drafted" that card, in the sense that he only grabbed that card from that pack? Why didn't he just legitimately grab that card, and just not use it, if it's an issue of damaging the card? I think I'm missing part of the puzzle

There were two money cards. He used his P1 for the first money card, they put a token in for the second money card and he sacrificed his P2 to take the token, but was guaranteed the two money cards.

Then what is the point of drafting. Why don't I just "reserve" every card I want in each pack and replace them with tokens?

[Dmreiss]

Again, you all aren't reading, you get a pack mulligan if the value of either one of two cards would exceed what you could potentially win. If you want to do anything else, it's up to TO and other players. Personally, I operate under the don't be a dick principle and feel that of someone got some sweet pulls, they can keep them and grab another pack. Doesn't bother me, a it's a casual FNM event where the goal is to have fun, not worry about some bullshìt about draft integrity.

I am reading the posts. I don't agree with the idea of mulligan a pack. It is not fair to the other players in the draft. Now you add in the idea of picking two cards and replacing with a token and you are messing with the system even more. Where does it end?

Take a card and pass the pack or drop. Simple, and not being a dick.

[Dmreiss]

Again, you all aren't reading, you get a pack mulligan if the value of either one of two cards would exceed what you could potentially win. If you want to do anything else, it's up to TO and other players. Personally, I operate under the don't be a dick principle and feel that of someone got some sweet pulls, they can keep them and grab another pack. Doesn't bother me, a it's a casual FNM event where the goal is to have fun, not worry about some bullshìt about draft integrity.

I am reading the posts. I don't agree with the idea of mulligan a pack. It is not fair to the other players in the draft. Now you add in the idea of picking two cards and replacing with a token and you are messing with the system even more. Where does it end?

Take a card and pass the pack or drop. Simple, and not being a dick.

The tokens solution is bullshit as well, granted. How is it not fair? They wouldn't have received the cards if the player dropped, so they're not losing anything, and if anything they're gaining by having another set of packs to pull from.

What if that next pack is better?  Do they keep going back to the well until they get a pack that is lackluster enough they don't want any of the cards?  The more crap you allow the worse the draft gets where it doesn't even matter anymore.

Tack a card and pass the pack or drop. Simple as everyone understands the rules.