Question of logic

[Wingnut]

Do you find a victimless crime (selling untaxed cigs) worthy of death? Or even just violence?

Taysby has reasoned that because the man is a criminal, his death was technically his fault.

This also implies that it was at no level the criminals fault. I genuinely feel that part of the worlds problem is the inability to accept ones own responsibility in any situation. No, this was not the guys fault, but he was making the concious decision to break the law, to resist compliance to the officers instruction and arguably also being in a situation where his health was not good making a heart attack more likely (mind you, his conditions may NOT be of his own making from injuries inhibiting excersize, genetics, etc....). I also want to state that the same can be said for the officer, I will say without hesitation, the situation could have been handled better, but the officer did not follow that avenue, therefore he should be held responsible for his part in the situation.

But I'm going to finish with this comment, I have studied Brazilian jiu-jitsu for about 6 years, I get choked on a regular basis (a few times a month, sometimes more). If I had to choose between being choked or tazed, choke me all day long. Tazing this man would have led to the same end result and the officer would have been 100% within his departments compliance. I'm positive that people would stl be trying to fry the guy, that's my .02.

[NovusOrbis]

You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.

Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.

Look! We found the root of the problem!

Are you saying that 50% of americans are atrocious?

No, just that they are wrong, where did the word atrocious come into play? The only reason conservatives have any power in the government is ignorance among the masses a lot of people with superiority complexes.

No opinion is wrong or right. Even your grossly biased and, most likely hate driven, opinion. If I'm not mistaken, didn't the man who headed the affordable care act call the American public stupid?

I disagree, most opinions are stupid. Bias is a broad term, yes I have a tendency to think a certain way, but I am able to consider the opposition's viewpoint (which I critically analyze and find incorrect). How is wanting justice for a man killed by the police hate driven? Lastly, how is that person's opinion relevant to this discussion?

And it seems here that you're one of the few that display a superiority complex.

You're on to me, asking for equality and justice is me displaying my superiority. Good job.

People thought Capernicus was stupid when he said the Earth revolves around the sun. You even proved my point that no opinion is wrong or right. Misinformed or not, it's neither correct nor incorrect. As I said before, there can still be a civil case, so justice hasn't been avoided or served yet. Lastly, how is the opinion on the reason why conservatives have any power relevant to this discussion?

No regard to what other say(Taysby and any one else that doesn't always agree with)
Haughtiness, lack of empathy( for police)
Unreasonable expectations of others(Cops should be perfect and better than everyone else)
I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Ron Paul for President 2016.

RON PAUL 2016

[Wingnut]

Ron Paul for President 2016.

RON PAUL 2016

Fa show son.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me (someone you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking me personally, please start another thread.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Ron Paul for President 2016.

RON PAUL 2016

Fa show son.

OBAMA MORE LIKE NOBAMA
ROMNEY MORE LIKE... uhm... STOPNEY
RON PAUL? THATS ALL .love.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me (someone you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking me personally, please start another thread.

DAMN AGRUS YOU KNOW HOW TO HIT

[Gorzo]

if I stab you in the toe and you bleed to death because you have hemophilia, I stabbed you to death. It's just what it means.

So glad you are not a mod here anymore.

I mean, you are so full of hate. Why?

Lol No idea where you get any notion of hatred from that example. Are you suggesting that you think I actually recommend stabbing taysby in the toe? You should probably notice that nobody (including taysby) has even thought I meant anything remotely close to that. Probably because they all understand context.

To put this back into context, would you mind telling me if goal justifies the means?

As for the hate, you right above suggesting that I'm stupid, and that I cannot understand context. Perhaps you are not full of hate, only 90% of it lol.

What goal? What means? And yes, that matters.

And how does you being stupid equate to me being hateful? You are a strange, silly little goofball, sir.

[NovusOrbis]

I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me (someone you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking me personally, please start another thread.

Lol are you serious?
Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me and Taysby(people you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking Taysby or myself personally, please start another thread.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me (someone you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking me personally, please start another thread.

Lol are you serious?
Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me and Taysby(people you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking Taysby or myself personally, please start another thread.

I've called a few arguments idiotic, and I have claimed that Conservatives are wrong in this situation, but if you read, I never personally attacked either of you in this thread. Nice try throwing my words back at me though, and this is still off-topic.

At this point, the thread has devolved into name-calling, I'm out. It's sad that we still haven't gotten past race, and that millions of Americans can turn a blind eye to people being illegally killed by the police with no consequences, but wasting my time here won't help that.

[NovusOrbis]

I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me (someone you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking me personally, please start another thread.

Lol are you serious?
Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me and Taysby(people you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking Taysby or myself personally, please start another thread.

I've called a few arguments idiotic, and I have claimed that Conservatives are wrong in this situation, but if you read, I never personally attacked either of you in this thread. Nice try throwing my words back at me though, and this is still off-topic.

At this point, the thread has devolved into name-calling, I'm out. It's sad that we still haven't gotten past race, and that millions of Americans can turn a blind eye to people being illegally killed by the police with no consequences, but wasting my time here won't help that.

I apologize, it's not all directed at you, but every thread Taysby posts in is you or someone else just attacking him at every chance you get. You call him stupid, his rationale idiotic, and berate him at any chance while offering little information to the actual debate other than ways you can disprove him. The only name calling that has been done is by you and by others. And I'm tired of it.

I agree, and so does the majority, that the cop should receive punishment. It's difficult to discern his true intent that day, but I truly believe that people are good at heart, and I don't believe he wanted the man dead. The man died of a heart attack and not suffocation, and that's probably why they didn't indict him. If the deceased's family really does care about him and isn't out just to gain fame, publicity, or money, they should file a civil suit.

I agree that there are a lot of people that abuse their power in the police force. Most get off Scott-free just because they have a say in the legal system.
Last year there were 320 deaths caused by law enforcement, and a total of 105 that were killed in the line of duty in 2013.  Regardless if the cop is evil or not, if you aggravate an officer or commit a crime, you should be prepared for anything.
Saying race is an issue but then blaming it on the white populace is extremely racist and will do nothing to solve the race issue(if there is one) and most likely hurts any progress that could be made. The only reason we hear about the white v. black killings and not black v. white is because the media saps every cent it can out of it.It's hard to determine what the actually causation of the late minority populace in prison is actually from. We should also be wary of Al Sharpton and people like him who gain fame and money(most likely) from(exploiting) these incidents.
TL;DR
Stop hating people and completely disregarding what they have to say when they have a view that doesn't agree with yours. This goes for everyone, but it always seems directed at Taysby.
The officer needs to be punished, but I don't believe that he killed the man on purpose. Not all cops are bad, but some are and they should be punished. Race might be an issue, but it's hard to say because so many use it as an excuse, and a true answer will probably never come.

[PapaBudz]

C'mon guys, can't we all just get along?

[Piotr]

I wasn't criticizing your opinion, I was criticizing how your views are polar and you won't open up to new ideas. You and others(Taysby, and Muggy Wuggy) are completely polar in your views and want others to join your side and lose individuality.
But, that's just my opinion.

Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me (someone you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking me personally, please start another thread.

Lol are you serious?
Well, sorry to say this, but your opinion of me and Taysby(people you've never met), doesn't much concern me, and it's off topic. If you'd like to keep attacking Taysby or myself personally, please start another thread.

I've called a few arguments idiotic, and I have claimed that Conservatives are wrong in this situation, but if you read, I never personally attacked either of you in this thread. Nice try throwing my words back at me though, and this is still off-topic.

At this point, the thread has devolved into name-calling, I'm out. It's sad that we still haven't gotten past race, and that millions of Americans can turn a blind eye to people being illegally killed by the police with no consequences, but wasting my time here won't help that.

I apologize, it's not all directed at you, but every thread Taysby posts in is you or someone else just attacking him at every chance you get. You call him stupid, his rationale idiotic, and berate him at any chance while offering little information to the actual debate other than ways you can disprove him. The only name calling that has been done is by you and by others. And I'm tired of it.

I agree, and so does the majority, that the cop should receive punishment. It's difficult to discern his true intent that day, but I truly believe that people are good at heart, and I don't believe he wanted the man dead. The man died of a heart attack and not suffocation, and that's probably why they didn't indict him. If the deceased's family really does care about him and isn't out just to gain fame, publicity, or money, they should file a civil suit.

I agree that there are a lot of people that abuse their power in the police force. Most get off Scott-free just because they have a say in the legal system.
Last year there were 320 deaths caused by law enforcement, and a total of 105 that were killed in the line of duty in 2013.  Regardless if the cop is evil or not, if you aggravate an officer or commit a crime, you should be prepared for anything.
Saying race is an issue but then blaming it on the white populace is extremely racist and will do nothing to solve the race issue(if there is one) and most likely hurts any progress that could be made. The only reason we hear about the white v. black killings and not black v. white is because the media saps every cent it can out of it.It's hard to determine what the actually causation of the late minority populace in prison is actually from. We should also be wary of Al Sharpton and people like him who gain fame and money(most likely) from(exploiting) these incidents.
TL;DR
Stop hating people and completely disregarding what they have to say when they have a view that doesn't agree with yours. This goes for everyone, but it always seems directed at Taysby.
The officer needs to be punished, but I don't believe that he killed the man on purpose. Not all cops are bad, but some are and they should be punished. Race might be an issue, but it's hard to say because so many use it as an excuse, and a true answer will probably never come.

Too bad karma's broken.  I'd come back and plus this for like a month. 

This.

[Piotr]

if I stab you in the toe and you bleed to death because you have hemophilia, I stabbed you to death. It's just what it means.

So glad you are not a mod here anymore.

I mean, you are so full of hate. Why?

Lol No idea where you get any notion of hatred from that example. Are you suggesting that you think I actually recommend stabbing taysby in the toe? You should probably notice that nobody (including taysby) has even thought I meant anything remotely close to that. Probably because they all understand context.

To put this back into context, would you mind telling me if goal justifies the means?

As for the hate, you right above suggesting that I'm stupid, and that I cannot understand context. Perhaps you are not full of hate, only 90% of it lol.

What goal? What means? And yes, that matters.

And how does you being stupid equate to me being hateful? You are a strange, silly little goofball, sir.

This was a rhetorical question, I lost hope of getting any sense or logic from you long time ago.

Your goal of bashing everything which is 'right' is making you use hate as your means. You are pathetically predictable at that. 'every thread Taysby posts in is you or someone else just attacking him at every chance you get. You call him stupid, his rationale idiotic, and berate him at any chance while offering little information to the actual debate other than ways you can disprove him. The only name calling that has been done is by you and by others. And I'm tired of it.'

[Cender]

With all due respect, the name calling is happening on both sides. Rather than having a reasoned discourse, it devolves here just like it does most places on the Internet. I've learned my lesson. This forum is great for Magic related topics. Stay away from anything and everything else.