Ferguson

[Wingnut]

To conan for swearing?

Yes, or at least it is to Conan.

He did come in pretty aggressive, it was a heated conversation but Taysby wasn't being aggressive or degrading to anyone in the conversation. 10 day ban called for, that's another discussion, but he did come in pretty harsh.

[Wingnut]

They were protesting violently.  They were looting buildings. They were letting them do their thing as long as it was peaceful.

They were standing with their hands in the air, this was a peaceful protest and they were fired upon

Riiight...  No stores were ever looted...

I don't think that's what he's saying. No one can refute that stores were looted (by people of different races mind you), but I believe there is footage of police using excessive force on peaceful protesters (peaceful at the time of course).

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

They were protesting violently.  They were looting buildings. They were letting them do their thing as long as it was peaceful.

They were standing with their hands in the air, this was a peaceful protest and they were fired upon

Riiight...  No stores were ever looted...

Whos to say that the protesters were the one looting? Criminals are likely taking advantage of the chaos and the protesters are being blamed. Either way, we have rights and the police cant attack protesters in the streets, thats excessive force.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

They were protesting violently.  They were looting buildings. They were letting them do their thing as long as it was peaceful.

They were standing with their hands in the air, this was a peaceful protest and they were fired upon

Riiight...  No stores were ever looted...

I don't think that's what he's saying. No one can refute that stores were looted (by people of different races mind you), but I believe there is footage of police using excessive force on peaceful protesters (peaceful at the time of course).

This. Put yourself in their shoes. You just had a friend unjustly shot and killed by police. When you go to mourn your friend and protest for justice, his killers show up and tear gas you.

[Spencer Addington]

Something such as this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination
http://www.doi.gov/pmb/eeo/cases/reverse.cfm

Taysby, shut the fūck up, you entitled shït

10 days ban.

Was it against imtg law?

[Spikepit]

Something such as this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination
http://www.doi.gov/pmb/eeo/cases/reverse.cfm

Taysby, shut the fūck up, you entitled shït

Well someone had to say it. Far out Taysby. THIS is why .politics. should not enter a MtG based forum. Topics involving highly emotion sensitive subject matters should be threaded carefully as emotion clouds logic and judgement. These people in this thread weren't harming anyone or defiling anyone. So what's the point of your arguement! The worst part is not your sheltered, medieval views in this 21st century society, or that you're obviously going against the grain of a supportive thread of an outrageous situation (going it solo too, might I add) but you cited Wikipedia as your main source!

Shhhh, move along.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Something such as this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination
http://www.doi.gov/pmb/eeo/cases/reverse.cfm

Taysby, shut the fūck up, you entitled shït

Well someone had to say it. Far out Taysby. THIS is why .politics. should not enter a MtG based forum. Topics involving highly emotion sensitive subject matters should be threaded carefully as emotion clouds logic and judgement. These people in this thread weren't harming anyone or defiling anyone. So what's the point of your arguement! The worst part is not your sheltered, medieval views in this 21st century society, or that you're obviously going against the grain of a supportive thread of an outrageous situation (going it solo too, might I add) but you cited Wikipedia as your main source!

Shhhh, move along.

You're a teacher, you should know. Wikipedia is 95 percent accurate. More than Brittanica, no doubt.

[Spikepit]

Something such as this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination
http://www.doi.gov/pmb/eeo/cases/reverse.cfm

Taysby, shut the fūck up, you entitled shït

Well someone had to say it. Far out Taysby. THIS is why .politics. should not enter a MtG based forum. Topics involving highly emotion sensitive subject matters should be threaded carefully as emotion clouds logic and judgement. These people in this thread weren't harming anyone or defiling anyone. So what's the point of your arguement! The worst part is not your sheltered, medieval views in this 21st century society, or that you're obviously going against the grain of a supportive thread of an outrageous situation (going it solo too, might I add) but you cited Wikipedia as your main source!

Shhhh, move along.

You're a teacher, you should know. Wikipedia is 95 percent accurate. More than Brittanica, no doubt.

True! In fact, last time I checked the Wikipedia page for my school, the school was famously known for schooling all the smurfs and two dragons were on staff. Our old prime minister apparently went to school here whom left early to start the Australian branch of the KKK. [sarcasm]This obviously proves that it's a reputable site that only gives editing access to a select few and only a handful of people can create pages. Obviously the right citation to use in a political discourse.[/sarcasm]

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Something such as this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination
http://www.doi.gov/pmb/eeo/cases/reverse.cfm

Taysby, shut the fūck up, you entitled shït

Well someone had to say it. Far out Taysby. THIS is why .politics. should not enter a MtG based forum. Topics involving highly emotion sensitive subject matters should be threaded carefully as emotion clouds logic and judgement. These people in this thread weren't harming anyone or defiling anyone. So what's the point of your arguement! The worst part is not your sheltered, medieval views in this 21st century society, or that you're obviously going against the grain of a supportive thread of an outrageous situation (going it solo too, might I add) but you cited Wikipedia as your main source!

Shhhh, move along.

You're a teacher, you should know. Wikipedia is 95 percent accurate. More than Brittanica, no doubt.

True! In fact, last time I checked the Wikipedia page for my school, the school was famously known for schooling all the smurfs and two dragons were on staff. Our old prime minister apparently went to school here whom left early to start the Australian branch of the KKK. [sarcasm]This obviously proves that it's a reputable site that only gives editing access to a select few and only a handful of people can create pages. Obviously the right citation to use in a political discourse.[/sarcasm]

While it isnt the best source, Wkipedia started tightening up its site in 2006 and is just as accurate as professionally edited Encyclopedias. Here is an article: http://m.livescience.com/32950-how-accurate-is-wikipedia.html

Also, a list of studies done on the accuracy of Wikipedia: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

[Wingnut]

They were protesting violently.  They were looting buildings. They were letting them do their thing as long as it was peaceful.

They were standing with their hands in the air, this was a peaceful protest and they were fired upon

Riiight...  No stores were ever looted...

I don't think that's what he's saying. No one can refute that stores were looted (by people of different races mind you), but I believe there is footage of police using excessive force on peaceful protesters (peaceful at the time of course).

This. Put yourself in their shoes. You just had a friend unjustly shot and killed by police. When you go to mourn your friend and protest for justice, his killers show up and tear gas you.

Keep in mind (I'm not saying this happened for sure, just keep it in mind) if they just show the part where the police are shooting they may have sone something before it.

The police don't just shoot people standing with signs.  They only shoot when they get out of hand.  Plus, when they were shooting it was bean bags.  Just enough to really hurt and get the point across.  Nothing to injure them.  Same with tear gas.  Plus his killer (not plural) has been put on leave.

I have to agree with a lot of this, the police do not normally get aggressive unless it is a reaction to something, ESPECIALLY with as much heat as is on them at the moment. It is VERY easy for the media to make something seem like something that it is not. Also, THE police did not shoot Mr. Brown, a police officer shot him (right, wrong, idk, not the current convo), the police trying to subdue the protestors/rioting did not start this, they just have to deal with it. But I have to disagree that just because they are using year gas and bean bags does not mean it is simply ok to open up all willy nilly like they're carrying squirt guns. They are still lethal and require discipline. I would venture to guess that the crowd is not as "innocent" as they are being made out to be, I'm sure that the police force is also a bit edgy. The problem is that I have no idea what to trust that is being reported, who the hell knows what's really happening.

[NovusOrbis]

There's video of people looting stores, you just have to look them up. Protests are protected by the constitution, maybe its the protestors, maybe not, but it sgouldnt be done regardless. Also news, I read an article that said the New York Times reported an autopsy done by a Dr. Michael Baden, former chief medical examiner for New York, contradicting several eyewitness claims that Brown was running from Officer Wilson, as all the shots entered the front of the body. I don't know if the websites reliable, but I've seen some pretty unaccredited websites here already. And just for fun ( I don't know how to hyperlink a website, pls forgib)
Read this everyone and chuckle a good chuckle- funnyjunk.com/People+these+days/funny-pictures/5263462/

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

They were protesting violently.  They were looting buildings. They were letting them do their thing as long as it was peaceful.

They were standing with their hands in the air, this was a peaceful protest and they were fired upon

Riiight...  No stores were ever looted...

I don't think that's what he's saying. No one can refute that stores were looted (by people of different races mind you), but I believe there is footage of police using excessive force on peaceful protesters (peaceful at the time of course).

This. Put yourself in their shoes. You just had a friend unjustly shot and killed by police. When you go to mourn your friend and protest for justice, his killers show up and tear gas you.

Keep in mind (I'm not saying this happened for sure, just keep it in mind) if they just show the part where the police are shooting they may have sone something before it.

The police don't just shoot people standing with signs.  They only shoot when they get out of hand.  Plus, when they were shooting it was bean bags.  Just enough to really hurt and get the point across.  Nothing to injure them.  Same with tear gas.  Plus his killer (not plural) has been put on leave.

I have to agree with a lot of this, the police do not normally get aggressive unless it is a reaction to something, ESPECIALLY with as much heat as is on them at the moment. It is VERY easy for the media to make something seem like something that it is not. Also, THE police did not shoot Mr. Brown, a police officer shot him (right, wrong, idk, not the current convo), the police trying to subdue the protestors/rioting did not start this, they just have to deal with it. But I have to disagree that just because they are using year gas and bean bags does not mean it is simply ok to open up all willy nilly like they're carrying squirt guns. They are still lethal and require discipline. I would venture to guess that the crowd is not as "innocent" as they are being made out to be, I'm sure that the police force is also a bit edgy. The problem is that I have no idea what to trust that is being reported, who the hell knows what's really happening.

I was saying from their perspective, I am not calling police in general killers. The "killer/killers" thing is again, from their perspective, the protestors are made at the police of Ferguson and society, in their eyes, it is our racially based stereotypes that killed the kid.

[Wingnut]

I was saying from their perspective, I am not calling police in general killers. The "killer/killers" thing is again, from their perspective, the protestors are made at the police of Ferguson and society, in their eyes, it is our racially based stereotypes that killed the kid.
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Fair enough, comment taken out of context. I still like fluffy bunnies though, that's fa show.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Saw this on Tumblr, it really seems like the cops are doing the right thing, right Taysby?

[TheRecklessPlaneswalker]

This entire "incident", like every other "incident", has dwindled down to something that has been going on ever since the beginning of human history.
A white man shoots an African American man, the family of the Aftican American Man gets the town and the media in a uproar. Because that's how the media works, it gets your attention, regardless of what actually happened.
If a white man killed another white man, we wouldn't hear anything about it
If a black man killed another black man, we wouldn't hear anything about it
In this case...
Did the cop kill the black man: Yes, regardless wether it was right or wrong, it has happened.
Ever since the 60's the African American community has demanded equality. Which after an upward battle, was archived and developed throughout the present.
But the second! An issue that involves a member of a white community kills a member of a black community.
The black family plays the race card. Which the rest of the community has worked so hard to avoid. It happens! The media gets a wiff of it and the world goes into a uproar.

Wether the black man has died unjustifiably, he did do an act that did break the law!
Wether the white cop did respond to the black man unjustifiably, it is his job to respond!

This entire issue is an endless loop which will happen to the end of the time, until we can achieve true equality
Where just because of someone's color that a community can uproar...
It's fighting against something we have been able to wipe away.
But is instantly brought back the second all heck breaks lose.



This entire debate isn't something new. The sooner we can all get past it the better.