Should Marijuana be Legal in the USA?

[Spencer Addington]

I think its better :p

And yea at least make money on it instea of wasting taxpayer money to waste it and incarcerate(sp?) users... Its a simple debate, lose money or gain money? Hmmmm

Clearly its not that simple just trying to make a point

It's easier to argue that it's no worse than legal stuff. If you try to state otherwise, people like to prove you wrong(taysby).

[rarehuntertay]

For reference someone should list schedule 2 and 3 drugs then remind everyone that alcohol and tobacco products are legal

But yea i tried to make the point that there hasnt been fair extensive testing on marijuana to prove its either harmful OR beneficial... Its way too controlled to even fairly test it, its LUDICROUS

Schedule II drugs:
Cocaine
Percocet
OxyContin
Morphine
Meperidine
Codeine
Et al. (Too many to list)

Schedule III drugs:
Any medication with Codeine
Any other narcotic pain reliever
Et al. (Too many to list)

Also individual states and practices can increase the schedule of a medication but not decrease it.
Example: my prior work had Stadol, which is a Schedule V drug used for the treatment of migraines, as a Schedule II

[MisterJH]

But.. Its not?

And spencer i was just making another point, we should cash in on the black market of ganj we might as well get something out of it!

Taysby please find a link comparing non smokers to cigarette smokers to exclusively marijuana smokers, and if you post that and it shows marijuana to be worse(from a fair source) well youve got my vote
What criteria are you judging it as 'worse than cigarettes' on? The only thing icould possibly think of is marijuana is more impairing than nicotine(if youre referring to intoxication NOT withdrawal)

[Garblefarb]

I think its better :p

And yea at least make money on it instea of wasting taxpayer money to waste it and incarcerate(sp?) users... Its a simple debate, lose money or gain money? Hmmmm

Clearly its not that simple just trying to make a point

It's easier to argue that it's no worse than legal stuff. If you try to state otherwise, people like to prove you wrong(taysby).

It is worse than cigaretts.  (Link coming soon, I just need computer access)

Please just give us the link already? I'm "dying" to know how I'm going to get cancer at 30 and die horribly like you've been suggesting

[particle]

i think the surgeon general warning is a good start to show cigarettes are more harmful than marijuana. first of all, marijuana, or the active cannabinoids in them, don't need to be smoked to be ingested. These chemicals can be broken down into pill or drop form in laboratories. Marijuana can also be used in cooking and vaporized. These are all obviously healthier alternatives to smoking any kind of plant, marijuana or tobacco. But in terms of smoking marijuana vs. smoking cigarettes, its still no contest. Marijuana has no history of causing lung cancer or mouth cancer or anything similar. Cigarettes do have that history. Please don't just keep posting cause you saw one fact on one site that thinks that cigarettes are good and marijuana is bad. You cannot definitely say Marijuana is unhealthy because it hasn't been studied enough. You can cigarettes are unhealthy because they have been studied.

[MisterJH]

Back to the point of its hard to spout any info on weed besides anecdotal evidence becasw of the lack of real study of it

[Distriimuir]

Mayo clinic is using very very dated info about cannabis taysby. You shouldn't use it as fact for cannabis.

[MisterJH]

Dont you dare say mayo clinic is wrong!
I joke, i trust mayo clinic about as much as i trust any other study.. Not at all really

And unless the study says that marijuana users have higher rates of cancer, the carcinogens argument doesnt work. If we all eat a plate of carcinogens every day but our cancer rates dont go up then just maybe its benign and is just pointless facts. Im aware there ARE carcinogens but im also fairly certain the cancer rates arent any higher so why does it matter?

[particle]

If you want to know now, do a search for "mayo clinic marajuana carcinogens". That should bring it up.

did you even read what i said taysby? one source with old info is not a strong enough argument. carcinogens exist whenever something is burned, no matter what. so that burger on the grill, that has carcinogens in it. but marijuana doesnt need to be smoked to be  consumed, as mentioned above, so does not have to provide carcinogens.

[Garblefarb]

My whole argument is just when it is smoked!  I haven't been claiming anything else.  I realize that they haven't found anything else, yet.  It's like cigaretts, you should be able to do it, but it's a poor decision if you value your health.

But your whole argument is outdated... Mayo clinic, where you are getting your sources. does not have up to date facts and could very well have biased views on marijuana. One source is not enough to build a solid argument after. You don't seem to be having the easiest of time with these discussions they're pretty one sided, does anyone have some sources that differ from mayo clinics views that taysby could maybe read? If he wants that is

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Wow, I hate to agree with Piotr here ( ), but I also think that marijuana should be legal. I think it's stupid that alcohol and tobacco are both legal, while being worse for your health. Also, marijuana is arguably less mind altering than alcohol. Lastly, we could put all sorts of excise taxes on it and pay for schools.

[particle]

My whole argument is just when it is smoked!  I haven't been claiming anything else.  I realize that they haven't found anything else, yet.  It's like cigaretts, you should be able to do it, but it's a poor decision if you value your health.

but see even a quote like this is misguided. many scientists are currently trying to assess the medical benefits of cannabis. so saying "its a poor decision if you value your health" seems really silly. many people who value their health still want science to be the foremost factor when determining whatever medical treatment they may need. Propaganda and Reefer Madness are not strong enough arguments without the facts to back them up. And both Piotr and I provided sources in our first post.

[DylanW18]

Its not that THC has been boosted its that there were weaker strains and stronger strains right? And over the years, popularity and connectivity of the world have allowed the finer strains to be bred together, so its more or less the same .poo.(just the higher end strains of the 70s) available to all and grown under perfected conditions from years of practice.

So yes for the average consumer it has become more potent, but for those reasons.

So in conclusion, yay

Hey! I accidentally negged you! Tomorrow I'll +1 you back then another +1 for the trouble lol

[Spencer Addington]

My whole argument is just when it is smoked!  I haven't been claiming anything else.  I realize that they haven't found anything else, yet.  It's like cigaretts, you should be able to do it, but it's a poor decision if you value your health.

but see even a quote like this is misguided. many scientists are currently trying to assess the medical benefits of cannabis. so saying "its a poor decision if you value your health" seems really silly. many people who value their health still want science to be the foremost factor when determining whatever medical treatment they may need. Propaganda and Reefer Madness are not strong enough arguments without the facts to back them up. And both Piotr and I provided sources in our first post.

1. Your source just said what types of drugs are schedule 1,2,3,4,5. It didn't really prove anything.
2. Just using cannibis is great.  Go ahead.  But when people use it for recreational use, 99% of the time! they will smoke it.  Which is bad.

99% is grievously wrong! I know many people who can't smoke, so they vape or make them into delicious treat.

[MisterJH]

86% of percentages are completely made up on the spot!