Should Marijuana be Legal in the USA?

Started by Coffee Vampire, April 27, 2014, 10:44:08 AM

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Sparkle Ninja

Quote from: MisterJH on April 29, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
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Spencer Addington

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on April 29, 2014, 07:14:07 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on April 29, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
86% of percentages are completely made up on the spot!
79% of stair accidents happen on the stairs
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DimirOverlord1300

I have a completely unscientific arguement to make. Drugs are artificial happiness. You should be spending time actually becoming happy for legitimate reasons, not because of chemicals from a burning plant. I understand that some people need it because they're depressed and stuff, but at that point you should be going to a therapist.

Spencer Addington

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on April 29, 2014, 10:54:10 PM
I have a completely unscientific arguement to make. Drugs are artificial happiness. You should be spending time actually becoming happy for legitimate reasons, not because of chemicals from a burning plant. I understand that some people need it because they're depressed and stuff, but at that point you should be going to a therapist.
I smoke, and thinking about it now I only smoke when I'm in a good mood. Weed isn't an artificial drug too... It's all natural baby.

MisterJH

A lot of drugs actually enhance your current mood, so if depressed alcohol or marijuana can exacerbate your condition
That being said, inherently unsatisfied people can numb themselves with drugs, and thats a horrible way to use said drugs
However for those of sound mind and body its not artificial happiness, its just a way to relax and enjoy an altered state of mind. Thats like saying people who visit other countries should just learn to be happy in their own ;)
Sure, America is amazing but every once in awhile i like to visit stoned America.. err i mean Italy! Lets go with Italy!

Piotr

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on April 29, 2014, 10:54:10 PM
I have a completely unscientific arguement to make. Drugs are artificial happiness. You should be spending time actually becoming happy for legitimate reasons, not because of chemicals from a burning plant. I understand that some people need it because they're depressed and stuff, but at that point you should be going to a therapist.

By this logic, eating chocolate is artificial happiness, isn't it? What are legitimate reasons to be happy? Do you agree that everyone should be free to pursue their own happiness, or should we provide standardised happiness to everyone?

Walkhard

People have the right to do what ever makes th happy. Smoking or what have it. But the problem is when ones pursuit of happiness conflicts with another's. I think the argument is not about is it morally right or if it's artificial but, is making pot legal going to inflict problems on other peoples lives or will it lessen that. This is the real question I have.
I have no problem with that guy drinking himself to death but I do when he becomes a problem of the states. Will pot end with the same problems? And let's not forget the economical issues of who and where this money will go.

MisterJH

Well the war on drugs is a huge problem if you value your money, look up the cost to inarcerate someone for a year and the amount of people in prison for drug charges

Thats what i call interfering with my life damnit

Piotr

Quote from: Walkhard on April 30, 2014, 04:48:32 AM
People have the right to do what ever makes th happy. Smoking or what have it. But the problem is when ones pursuit of happiness conflicts with another's. I think the argument is not about is it morally right or if it's artificial but, is making pot legal going to inflict problems on other peoples lives or will it lessen that. This is the real question I have.
I have no problem with that guy drinking himself to death but I do when he becomes a problem of the states. Will pot end with the same problems? And let's not forget the economical issues of who and where this money will go.

We already have tools to combat that: if they steal or lie or murder we can punish them. The fact that they do harm under the influence of this or that substance is not really relevant.

If you try to ban things in anticipation of crime, you are shooting yourself in the foot. It doesn't work.

MisterJH

I said war on drugs as a general statement in response to the do whtever you want as long as it doesnt affect me post

People only realy get jailed for a loooot of weed which is pretty dumb to have anyways

MisterJH

Although there are a bunch of dumb rules about 'intent to sell' and whatnt

MisterJH

I know i said 'although'

And how can i use it if i cant buy it? Like damn dont hate the supplier of our demand :/

Also because of the specificity of some rules you can have small quantities that you have no intention of selling and still get busted for intent to sell, theres some rule about multiple bags and all kinds of dumb crap

Which is silly because i regularly would buy 3-4 different strains at a time in different bags just cuz i like to have a good time

MisterJH

I was simply making a point not arguing with anything

rarehuntertay

What is happiness? By what norm does society determine to be happiness? If what one does creates happiness for them, and doesn't interfere with other people, then why do they get punished for it?