Touchy Subject #7: Obama NSFW

[Mikefrompluto]

He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.

"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..

Apparently the numbers he used are accurate enough according to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/

Out of curiosity, how are taxes stealing/extorting from anyone/anything?

Stealing because they take taxes regardless of if you want to give it or not. Extorting because if you refuse to pay taxes, they send you to prison.

[ihasfrozen]

He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.

"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..

Apparently the numbers he used are accurate enough according to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/

Out of curiosity, how are taxes stealing/extorting from anyone/anything?

Stealing because they take taxes regardless of if you want to give it or not. Extorting because if you refuse to pay taxes, they send you to prison.

Taxes are necessary to fund vital local services such as the police, fire department, military, and public utilities/infrastructure. It is a price of choosing to live here.

You could always move to a deserted island if you really find taxes so offensive, not really sure where else there are absolutely no taxes. Or you could make little enough money that you don't actually qualify to pay any...

[Mikefrompluto]

Hey, wasn't stating an opinion on taxes. Just facts. The government uses force, fear, and the threat of prison to take what they want, no matter how necessary it is. You can't argue that.

[ihasfrozen]

Hey, wasn't stating an opinion on taxes. Just facts. The government uses force, fear, and the threat of prison to take what they want, no matter how necessary it is. You can't argue that.

I don't think you can say they use force, since they don't forcibly enter your home to take your money, but I guess the other two are valid enough, they ensure that people obey the law.

[Mikefrompluto]

Ever hear of wage garnishment? I know firsthand that the government uses force if you go long enough without paying your taxes.

[ihasfrozen]

Ever hear of wage garnishment? I know firsthand that the government uses force if you go long enough without paying your taxes.

I would expect nothing less for them to do everything they can to get the money any citizen is legally obligated to pay.

[TheRagingMage]

Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads.  What would your life be like without taxes.  You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads.  And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending.  Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree.  No heath insurance from the government.  You have to pay for that broken arm.  Oh, and your losing blood.  There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes.  And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down.  If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds.  Is that how you want this country to work?

[Mikefrompluto]

Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads.  What would your life be like without taxes.  You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads.  And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending.  Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree.  No heath insurance from the government.  You have to pay for that broken arm.  Oh, and your losing blood.  There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes.  And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down.  If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds.  Is that how you want this country to work?

I never once said taxes weren't necessary. Stealing is taking other people's property. The government takes your money for taxes. That is stealing. Bottom line.

I'm just calling it what it is. I'm not giving my opinion on whether it's right or wrong.

[Piotr]

Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads.  What would your life be like without taxes.  You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads.  And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending.  Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree.  No heath insurance from the government.  You have to pay for that broken arm.  Oh, and your losing blood.  There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes.  And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down.  If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds.  Is that how you want this country to work?

I have not problem paying voluntary taxes for national defense, police force, justice system and the administration required to manage the three. I have no problem with voluntarily paying for use of government land, properties or other resources.

I can purchase transport services from private industry and government should not interfere.

It is not the purpose of the government to provide free insurance or any other wealth to one group of people at the expense of other group of people. The purpose of the government is to serve justice by enforcing the law.

This country climbed to a superpower status because it was free, from socialism and other crap. Now there's more and more socialism in this country and it is slowly but surely going down the drain.

[Imink]

I think Obama has overall been a good president look at the situation that he came into and look at where we are now. He gave the Order to assinate bin laden. He's been pulling troops out of the Middle East and he's good with more scoical issues over all he's done a good job

[Dudecore]

I shouldn't have my money taken from me and spent on bombs and other things I do not agree with. A drug war, the CIA, Wars on other countries, torture, corporate subsidies, bailouts and other military industrial complex non-sense.

I don't care who started it, he's the president - end it. Until then: Obama is a terrorists, imperialist, murder, crony capitalist.  He has removed your rights from everyone and uses it to gain fortunes for the people who put him there.

[ihasfrozen]

Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads.  What would your life be like without taxes.  You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads.  And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending.  Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree.  No heath insurance from the government.  You have to pay for that broken arm.  Oh, and your losing blood.  There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes.  And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down.  If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds.  Is that how you want this country to work?

I have not problem paying voluntary taxes for national defense, police force, justice system and the administration required to manage the three. I have no problem with voluntarily paying for use of government land, properties or other resources.

I can purchase transport services from private industry and government should not interfere.

It is not the purpose of the government to provide free insurance or any other wealth to one group of people at the expense of other group of people. The purpose of the government is to serve justice by enforcing the law.

This country climbed to a superpower status because it was free, from socialism and other crap. Now there's more and more socialism in this country and it is slowly but surely going down the drain.

What do you think of the public education system? Would that be something you would want your voluntary tax dollars to go towards (k-12 and higher education)?

This country climbed to a superpower status because we saved Europe, blew Japan to hell, had the only economy undevestated by war, and maintained military bases in other countries. Some things that were critical in keeping us afloat prior to the war (ie: Great Depression) were 'socialist' programs like the WPA and social security, that were designed to help the common man. Unrelated, but tax rates during this period of becoming a superpower (1940's-1960's) were over 80% at the highest income brackets (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg).

[That_Guy]

My only opinion on obama is hes better than romney. Hahaha

[Piotr]

What do you think of the public education system? Would that be something you would want your voluntary tax dollars to go towards (k-12 and higher education)?

Can't see why not, I support many charities.

This country climbed to a superpower status because we saved Europe, blew Japan to hell, had the only economy undevestated by war, and maintained military bases in other countries. Some things that were critical in keeping us afloat prior to the war (ie: Great Depression) were 'socialist' programs like the WPA and social security, that were designed to help the common man. Unrelated, but tax rates during this period of becoming a superpower (1940's-1960's) were over 80% at the highest income brackets (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg).

This country saved Europe and blew Japan to hell because this country was a superpower. It couldn't do it if it wasn't a superpower. Social security was designed to enslave common man, not to help him. You are managing to keep your superpower status in spite of socialism, against it, not because of it. These social programs are draining and killing you, not helping you. You will lose your superpower status because you implemented too much socialism.

Practically nobody pays the highest income bracket, it is not only unrelated but also irrelevant. In any case, any level of income tax is theft, doesn't matter if 1 or 100%.

[Piotr]

In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.

Yes, that's what income tax is.