Touchy Subject #7: Obama NSFW

[Piotr]

I don't even know what to say to this. I think I'll hop out of the ring too before I go just as daft.

Is that an insult?

[Piotr]

Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

Stopped reading at 'provided $ for this or that'. He didnt provide any $, the taxpayers did. The government has to extort money to 'provide' it. Obama is one of the bunch who believe that goal justifies the means. This is directly breaking the iMtG law.

I posted this website in response to "what good has Obama done?". I may or may not be an Obama fan, I may not care at all! I'm not actually going to involved in this discussion.

Fair enough, I was just disputing the argument from the link.

[Raiderrob]

Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't

All I noticed. We have enough from Bush's day. And isn't it GOOD we aren't making weapons against the rest of the world? The UN? That is illogical. Also, obama's paid off more debt than most of his REPUBLICAN predecessors, who created the debt. So he's done more than most other presidents.

Paid off debt?? He has created more debt than every previous president combined. At 12 years old I think it's hella cool that you are interested in .politics., and world issues, but either your fact finding skills suck or your opinion is very heavily influenced by liberal views of people close to you which is what I suspect. I grew up in a very liberal household, and held those views until my early 20s when I decided I wanted to look deeper into .politics. and not just listen to people. Keep the interest, but use your smarts to help build a solid unbiased opinion based on fact.

[Dudecore]

Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't

All I noticed. We have enough from Bush's day. And isn't it GOOD we aren't making weapons against the rest of the world? The UN? That is illogical. Also, obama's paid off more debt than most of his REPUBLICAN predecessors, who created the debt. So he's done more than most other presidents.

Paid off debt?? He has created more debt than every previous president combined. At 12 years old I think it's hella cool that you are interested in .politics., and world issues, but either your fact finding skills suck or your opinion is very heavily influenced by liberal views of people close to you which is what I suspect. I grew up in a very liberal household, and held those views until my early 20s when I decided I wanted to look deeper into .politics. and not just listen to people. Keep the interest, but use your smarts to help build a solid unbiased opinion based on fact.

I think describing Democrats as "liberals" is entire off base: there isn't a single mainstream liberal in their entire lot. Same goes with equating republicans as "conservative". Neither party qualifies for their extremes. If anything Republicans and Democrats are mirror images. Both parties call the other their extreme to bring about a dichotomous relationship, but both are undoubtedly wrong about that position,

And also, not because I'm defending his position - but that is an ad hominem attack and an appeal to experience. Both of which are not required to advance your position and argument, and can prove to be detriments.     

[Dudecore]

There are no parties that represent the people, the people can represent themselves in purposeful, un-coerced, willful social and financial engagements with others. The purpose of goverment is for the un-liberated.

How "good" or "how much" Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, <insert past or future president> did something is a tactic used by government supporters to have their agenda imposed upon the people. Be free, remove the government from your life and be free to pursue anything one may given a life let free.

[Dudecore]

I thought the rule was no negative karma on these nsfw threads?

That's a thing that exists? Awesome.

Every single other person should have sexual intercourse with their biological mothers.

[Mikefrompluto]

I thought the rule was no negative karma on these nsfw threads?

If someone thinks a post is worthy of a -1, that is their right as a forum member. Can't really stop them. Telling people they can't do something that is legal is breaking iMtG law itself.

[Bozo_Law]

One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America

Very true.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

I thought the rule was no negative karma on these nsfw threads?

That's a thing that exists? Awesome.

Every single other person should have sexual intercourse with their biological mothers.

Lol!

But no, Mike is right.  If someone doesn't like the post they can -1 it all day.  But if you have the ability to refrain when someone posts an opinion that you don't agree with.  It shows a level of maturity.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Going back to the what good has Obama done:

An article from time magazine about Obama's environmental work:

-launch the first 45 renewable-electricity projects ever built on federal land, enough to power 4.4 million homes.
-pledged to slash the government's carbon emissions by 15%,
-jack up vehicle-efficiency standards enough to eliminate an entire year's worth of U.S. emissions by 2025
-enact appliance-efficiency standards that would save enough electricity to power every single-family home for two years.
-vowed to spark a clean-energy revolution with unprecedented investments in wind, solar and geothermal power; electric vehicles; a smarter grid; cleaner coal; green research; and much more.

Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/07/11/beyond-the-keystone-pipeline/#ixzz2a6TPPD3R


Obama on economics:
Directly quoted from the transcript of a speak Obama recently gave in Galesburg, Illinois.

-"In the period after World War II, a growing middle class was the engine of our prosperity. Whether you owned a company or swept its floors or worked anywhere in between, this country offered you a basic bargain, a sense that your hard work would be rewarded with fair wages and decent benefits, the chance to buy a home, to save for retirement and — and most of all, a chance to hand down a better life for your kids.

But over time that engine began to stall, and a lot of folks here saw it. That bargain began to fray. Technology made some jobs obsolete. Global competition sends a lot of jobs overseas. It became harder for unions to fight for the middle class. Washington doled out bigger tax cuts to the very wealthy and smaller minimum wage increases for the working poor.

And so what happened was that — (applause) — the — the link between higher productivity and people's wages and salaries was broken. Used to be that as companies did better, as profits went higher, workers also got a better deal.

And that started changing.

So the income of the top 1 percent nearly quadrupled from 1979 to 2007, but the typical family's incomes barely budged. And towards the end of those three decades, a housing bubble, credit cards, a churning financial sector was keeping the economy artificially juiced up, so sometimes it papered over some of these long-term trends.

But by the time I took office in 2009 as your president, we all know the bubble had burst. And it cost millions of Americans their jobs and their homes and their savings. And I know a lot of folks in this area were hurt pretty bad. And the decadeslong erosion that had been taking place, the erosion of middle-class security, was suddenly laid bare for everybody to see.

Now, today, five years after the start of that Great Recession, America has fought its way back. We've fought our way back. (Cheers, applause.) Together we saved the auto industry, took on a broken health care system. (Cheers, applause.) We invested in new American technologies to reverse our addiction to foreign oil. We doubled wind and solar power. (Cheers, applause.)

Together we put in place tough new rules on big banks and protections to crack down on the worst practices of mortgage lenders and credit card companies. (Applause.) We changed a tax code too skewed in favor of the wealthiest at the expense of working families. So we changed that. We locked in tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans, and we asked those at the top to pay a little bit more. (Applause.)

So you add it all up, and over the past 40 months our businesses have created 7.2 million new jobs. This year we're off to our strongest private sector job growth since 1999. And because we bet on this country, suddenly foreign companies are too. Right now more — more of Honda's cars are made in America than anyplace else on Earth. (Applause.) Yeah. Airbus, the — the European aircraft company — they're building new planes in Alabama. (Applause.) Then American companies like Ford are replacing outsourcing with insourcing. They're bringing jobs back home. (Cheers, applause.)

We sell more products made in America to the rest of the world than ever before. We now produce more natural gas than any country on Earth. We're about to produce more of our own oil than we buy from abroad for the first time in nearly 20 years. (Applause.) The cost of health care is growing at its slowest rate in 50 years. (Cheers, applause.)

And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years. (Cheers, applause.)

So thanks to the grit and resilience and determination of the American people, of folks like you, we've been able to clear away the rubble from the financial crisis. We've started to lay a new foundation for stronger, more durable economic growth. And you know, it's happening in our own personal lives as well, right? A lot of us tightened our belts, shed debt, maybe cut up a couple of credit cards, refocused on those things that really matter. As a country, we've recovered faster and gone further than most other advanced nations in the world, with new American revolutions in — in energy and technology and manufacturing and health care. We're actually poised to reverse the forces that battered the middle class for so long and start building an economy where everyone who works hard can get ahead.

But — and here's the big "but" — I'm here to tell you today that we're not there yet."

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/24/with-more-deadlock-ahead-obama-condemns-republicans-in-economic-speech/#ixzz2a6VWtNMu

Like it says in the rules for this discussion page. Use facts. Let me see your sources. Lets get this conversation back to a debate instead of this flinging of opinions.

[Piotr]

TL;DR, please?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

TL;DR, please?

What?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Okay, looked it up.
I'd like to start by saying that its that kind of attitude that is a major problem in the US today. 'I don't want to hear facts, listen to debates, or read information; just tell me what to think so I can go back to play Farmville'. Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of that, just think its a major problem today.

To sum up the last post: Obama has done alot to help the environment and to aid the economic recovery. Don't believe me? The facts are posted in my last post.

Let's not complain about our leaders, instead lets learn so we can make more informed decisions and force politicians take responsibility. To quote William Drummond, "He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave."

[Piotr]

He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.

"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..

[ihasfrozen]

He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.

"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..

Apparently the numbers he used are accurate enough according to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/

Out of curiosity, how are taxes stealing/extorting from anyone/anything?