Whatever you feel like man

[Xaol]

Gay people are not condemned to hell because they are gay, a Christian can be gay, but it IS a sin, just like lying, stealing, jealousy, murder, ect. we have all sinned, no sin is any worse than another, they are all equally bad.
you cannot condemn a gay person, because you are just as corrupt in your soul as they are, there is no way around it. it is through grace and faith alone that we are saved.

That's absurd. Why should being gay be a sin? Do you realise how wrong that is? You don't choose to be gay; it's like you don't choose to feel attracted to a woman (assuming you're a guy). Why should something natural, harmless, and PERSONAL above all things be a sin? This is what I meant earlier when I said that religion becomes tarnished when it tries to influence things it should have no say over. Why should religion be able to pass judgement on what goes on between two consenting people? That is between those people, and that doesn't merit ANY outside forces ruling on whether or not it is a "sin". This right here is my problem with religion.

[Gorzo]

What about all of the pastors, preachers, priests, etc that have come out in favor on same sex equality? Doesn't that blow your reason to hate religion all to hell (pun intended)

It's not the religion, it's the people in it that hold beliefs. Isn't religion nothing more than a tool for us to use? To me, blaming religion because some random nut is a volatile homophobe follows the same path of logic as blaming the Glock company because that one NBA player shot himself in the crotch a few years back. I don't understand that reasoning.

Granted, I do understand that religion is ocassionally used as vessel to spread bad things by bad people. I'm not arguing that it isn't. I'm just saying - who is to blame for that? Religion itself, or the people who abuse, pervert, and contort religion to spread their own personal agenda?

Just want to end on something a little more positive. Religion, wether you like it or not, wether you believe in God, or multiple Gods, or no God at all, has undeniably helped countless people over its years. It gives billions hope, moral guidance, direction, and togetherness every day. You don't hear about the good. The bad gets too much media. It's a damn shame.

And this is coming from a Deist. I don't believe in going to church. I don't believe in the bible. I don't believe God is an entity, I believe that God is creation. And these beliefs are correct...FOR ME. I love to hear from people of how church has helped them, and all the other good things that people's religions do for them. I think it's wonderful that people can find their own path and succeed in so many different ways. I am in 100% support of anyone and their beliefs, so long as they try their best to promote goodness towards each other. Tolerance, people! It's so important to accept beliefs that are not your own.

[The1337Magician]

No. There can't be coexistence sadly. Have you seen the Jews? Everyone hates the Jews. Ever since they were a nation, they have been attacked and conquered by the Philistines, Caananites, Persians, Romans, Nazis, and now the Muslims. There is always a remnant though. There is only one universal truth. Saying there is no universal truth is a universal truth. You apply it to everything. You say not to force tour beliefs on another and you force coexistence on others. That is hypocritical. We all have sinned and fallen short of the kingdom of God and that is why Christ came to save us. Infinite wrath from an infinite God can only be satisfied by an infinite Savior. This is not of ourselves so no one can boast. This is the basis of Christianity.

[Apathy Reactor]

I'm not trying to sound homophobic, i am saying that pursuing a sexual desire with the same sex is just as much a sin as fornication, and no worse either. if you have ever read the Pauline Epistles (which I assume you haven't) you would know that homosexuality is the very first sin of the flesh that Paul talks about. I'm not saying it's fine to be gay, but it is no worse than being a lier, or a thief. all sin is the same in Gods eyes.

[Piotr]

all sin is the same in Gods eyes.

Do you have any citations confirming this claim?

[Birdbrain]

I blame television. We have all these shows about cheating, and sleeping around and lots of violence. And not treating people well. WTF? I'm not saying we should go back to those horribly mindless shows of the 60's and 70's like happy days, or worse...the Brady bunch. I'm just saying television is putting bad morels into people and the lack of discipline means...guess what...people will emulate what they see

[Birdbrain]

Oh. I didn't read beyond the first page at the time I posted that

The male and female body's were made to fit together. I don't believe gays are born that way. Though neither do they choose it. It happens over a collection of there experiences. It doesn't happen in nature, so it is probably apart from a persons nature to be gay.

How do you explain the guy who was straight had a stroke and then suddenly was gay? Or how do you explain someone who was gay becoming straight?

[The1337Magician]

all sin is the same in Gods eyes.

Do you have any citations confirming this claim?

Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all sin and are thus unholy equally.

[Piotr]

all sin is the same in Gods eyes.

Do you have any citations confirming this claim?

Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all sin and are thus unholy equally.

This is not about equality of sins, it simply states that all humans are sinners, without determining if certain sins are more grave than others. The context is a discussion whether there's any value in being a Jew.

[Mikefrompluto]

all sin is the same in Gods eyes.

Do you have any citations confirming this claim?

Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all sin and are thus unholy equally.

This is not about equality of sins, it simply states that all humans are sinners, without determining if certain sins are more grave than others. The context is a discussion whether there's any value in being a Jew.

I think this is closer to what he's looking for:

James 2:10 - "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it."

While it's true that it could be interpreted as "all sins are equal," the bible also talks about a greater sin, and sins that are unto death, and sins that aren't unto death, which implies they aren't all equal.

[Piotr]

I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.

[Apathy Reactor]

Oh. I didn't read beyond the first page at the time I posted that

The male and female body's were made to fit together. I don't believe gays are born that way. Though neither do they choose it. It happens over a collection of there experiences. It doesn't happen in nature, so it is probably apart from a persons nature to be gay.

How do you explain the guy who was straight had a stroke and then suddenly was gay? Or how do you explain someone who was gay becoming straight?

I agree with you, also, I believe that even if you are attracted to someone, it is your decision whether or not to pursue that attraction.

[Mikefrompluto]

I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.

I agree. Like everything, people interpret it and bend it to mean what they want it to mean. As far as my personal opinion on that specific matter goes, I don't have one. 

I did a quick Google (TM) search of "are all sins equal." Nothing gives a definite "yes" or "no." It's all interpreted bible verses.

[Apathy Reactor]

I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.

if you have delved deeper into Christiam Theology, you would know about total depravity. we are all totally and utterly depraved, the depths if our sin are infinite, and require an infinite atonement that we can never afford to give, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ provides this for those who are Christians.

[Mikefrompluto]

I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.

if you have delved deeper into Christiam Theology, you would know about total depravity. we are all totally and utterly depraved, the depths if our sin are infinite, and require an infinite atonement that we can never afford to give, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ provides this for those who are Christians.

You're missing the point, yo. He's asking for a citation (bible verse) that explicitly says "all sins are equal." There is none. Only interpretations.