M14 (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)

[MisterJH]

MANA LEAK MANA LEAK MANA LEAK

[Death Gaara]

So a reprint of  {Mana Leak} could work then?

Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.

[MisterJH]

I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart

[Death Gaara]

I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart

^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.

[MisterJH]

I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart

^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.

What about the newer player base that would love to experience the finer points, such as control(referencing myself). I want the challenge without havig to spend hundreds on eternal formats(which would require me yo save up and not play magic for a long while) and i also need standard to home my skills(in a control environment rater than aggro).

[Death Gaara]

I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart

^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.

What about the newer player base that would love to experience the finer points, such as control(referencing myself). I want the challenge without havig to spend hundreds on eternal formats(which would require me yo save up and not play magic for a long while) and i also need standard to home my skills(in a control environment rater than aggro).

Then you my friend are a rare kind of newer player and I genuinely feel sorry for you. Standard and even the current Modern formats are not even close to what real magic can be like. All I can say is play Legacy if you can afford it. If not, then do what I do (although I still do play Legacy). Play control in Standard regardless of how derpy it looks. It may not be traditional, but at least you show persistence. That alone will help you win games. Control can really only be played if you understand the metagame. So if you persistently aspire to play control, you also persistently try to understand the metagame. This will develop your skills as a player and improve your deck building skills.

Also helps you can laugh at the aggro player when you beat them anyways with no reasonable counterspells because they were naive enough to overextend into your wrath effect.

[Bozo_Law]

So a reprint of  {Mana Leak} could work then?

Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.

Do you mean UW Delver? I hope a deck like that comes back though haha

[Death Gaara]

So a reprint of  {Mana Leak} could work then?

Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.

Do you mean UW Delver? I hope a deck like that comes back though haha

No, I know what I meant. UW Delver was a house, but Caw Blade was evil in most people's eyes. Also, we are talking control. UW Delver is not control. It is tempo. There is a huge difference between the two. Mana Leak was not even the card that put UW Delver over the top. That spot goes to the fixing of {Ponder} and the extra one life loss on {Vapor Snag}. Geist did not hep either.

[Bozo_Law]

So a reprint of  {Mana Leak} could work then?

Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.

Do you mean UW Delver? I hope a deck like that comes back though haha

No, I know what I meant. UW Delver was a house, but Caw Blade was evil in most people's eyes. Also, we are talking control. UW Delver is not control. It is tempo. There is a huge difference between the two. Mana Leak was not even the card that put UW Delver over the top. That spot goes to the fixing of {Ponder} and the extra one life loss on {Vapor Snag}. Geist did not hep either.

Yeah I played during Caw Blade season too. That was pretty insane but I am in the 1% that though that deck was just what the game should be about. And this is when I am just getting into the competitive scene.

[Therobsta12]

I've been playing about 9 months and firmly believe that control is the only fun way to play magic the gathering. I like to challenge myself and think, rather than just turning things sideways.

[Death Gaara]

I've been playing about 9 months and firmly believe that control is the only fun way to play magic the gathering. I like to challenge myself and think, rather than just turning things sideways.

WOAH PRAISE BE THE GODS OF MTG!!! THERE IS MORE THAN ONE???  GATHER TOGETHER MY BROTHERS! THE DAY OF REVELATION IS SOON UPON US!!!!!

In all seriousness, you give me hope for the future of this game. Aggro is fine, but it does not need to be as pushed as it is right now.

[Harvest]

I've been playing about 9 months and firmly believe that control is the only fun way to play magic the gathering. I like to challenge myself and think, rather than just turning things sideways.

WOAH PRAISE BE THE GODS OF MTG!!! THERE IS MORE THAN ONE?  GATHER TOGETHER MY BROTHERS! THE DAY OF REVELATION IS SOON UPON US!!!!!

In all seriousness, you give me hope for the future of this game. Aggro is fine, but it does not need to be as pushed as it is right now.

You'd be surprised how many of us new players are into control. Me personally have been building decks based on every playing style to find what I like. Many of my friends have been as well. Most of my circle are all about control decks .

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

We could make a circle of control lovers, and compile a deck together.  IT WOULD BE SO COOL!!!!

Well if you consider lockdown a form of control, use {Curse of Exhaustion}, and {Possibility Storm}

[MisterJH]

The only problem is with how limited control is in the environment, rogue(and thus CHEAP) control is a fantasy. At the very least i feel as if shelling out 50+$ on snappys, 70+$ on sphinx's, and 100+$ on shocks is unavoidable. I cant support all the super hyped utility cards on top of shocks

[Apathy Reactor]

I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards.