Progenitus + Conspiracy

[MuggyWuggy]

Q1: if I have  {Scion of the Ur-Dragon} out + {conspiracy}, can I select {Progenitus} ? Or is he protected from conspir?

Q2: May I play {Progenitus} from my hand ala {elvish piper}?

[MementoMori]

Protection only applies once the creature is on the battlefield, so yeah, all of those are fine.

If I'm wrong about that, none of those cards target, so they're still fine.

[MisterJH]

Yes, protectn only applies if {progenitus} is a permanent, in the hand or deck he has no abilities.

[MuggyWuggy]

Niiiiice.

[Magicmike]

Does Progenitus have to resolve in the graveyard for scions effect if so it doesn't work

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Does Progenitus have to resolve in the graveyard for scions effect if so it doesn't work

Scion doesn't care what happens to the creature, it just attempts to throw it away.

[Magicmike]

Ok then it works

[Co2]

Does Progenitus have to resolve in the graveyard for scions effect if so it doesn't work

Scion doesn't care what happens to the creature, it just attempts to throw it away.

Not sur about this one. can someone enlighten me with more explanation?

[mickeven]

Does Progenitus have to resolve in the graveyard for scions effect if so it doesn't work

Scion doesn't care what happens to the creature, it just attempts to throw it away.

Not sur about this one. can someone enlighten me with more explanation?

im not sure either. Scion says "search library for dragon, put into grave. IF YOU DO, Scion becomes copy", while Progenitus says "IF you would put in into your grave from anywhere, shuffle it into your library INSTEAD", so it never reaches the grave, which doesnt fullfil Scions desire of the dragon being put into the graveyard.

[rarehuntertay]

Does Progenitus have to resolve in the graveyard for scions effect if so it doesn't work

Scion doesn't care what happens to the creature, it just attempts to throw it away.

Not sur about this one. can someone enlighten me with more explanation?

im not sure either. Scion says "search library for dragon, put into grave. IF YOU DO, Scion becomes copy", while Progenitus says "IF you would put in into your grave from anywhere, shuffle it into your library INSTEAD", so it never reaches the grave, which doesnt fullfil Scions desire of the dragon being put into the graveyard.

From Gatherer rules:
9/25/2006: Removing the other Dragon card from your graveyard has no effect on Scion of the Ur-Dragon.
9/25/2006: When Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of another Dragon, it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn.

[Splicer]

Rare is correct.
Scion only cares that you searched, found and removed from deck.
If the "Dragon" finds its way somewhere else then that is fine.

I don't know. It says that removing it from the graveyard has no effect, but Progenitus never reached the graveyard in the first place.

[Indianslayer]

Scion only cares if you "attempted" to put it into the graveyard, searched and revealed, and removed from the deck. Any replacement effect that makes it so cards don't go into the graveyard won't matter for scions ability. It's the thought that counts *winks, smiles, teeth sparkle*


At least that's how I'm thinking about it :)

[Avnger345]

When  {Progenitus} is put in the graveyard it triggers to be shuffle back into library.  It still hit gy.

[Splicer]

When  {Progenitus} is put in the graveyard it triggers to be shuffle back into library.  It still hit gy.

Well the card actually says if it would hit gy, shuffle it into library instead.

[griffin131]

When  {Progenitus} is put in the graveyard it triggers to be shuffle back into library.  It still hit gy.

Progenitus isn't a trigger. The Eldrazi Titans are triggers, but Progenitus (and {Blightsteel Collosus} for example) aren't - they're replacement effects.

But it doesn't matter if it hits the GY or not. The replacement effect just changes Scion to say (basically) "Tutor for a dragon, reveal it, and Scion copies it. Shuffle the revealed card into your library."