Boston

[Iandtormentor]

when will this stop?

never...

[Keyeto]

Shooting will not happen without guns it's simple.

How do you take illegal guns away from people who already own them though? If there's a will, there's a way. No matter what criminals will have a source for guns.

To back up this point, here's a favorite of mine:

"Making guns illegal would stop shootings and gun violence? Man, we should make drugs illegal too!"

Clearly, making drugs illegal has not stopped drug use. I don't want to get off into a drug related tangent here, but I think it proves I.D.s point. Where there's a will theres a way.

Also, as this thread was intended for the bombings, my heart goes out to those who lost somebody because of this horrible event. I'm glad nobody on here had to experience losing a loved one because of it.

[#noided]

Shooting will not happen without guns it's simple.

This is the most idiotic thing I have read in a long time.

[MuggyWuggy]

I know we are talking guns and all....but this was a bombing. Whoever was responsible for this was just an awful person. They had no thought of who they were hurting, lacking connection to their victims. Who in their right mind thinks its ok to blow up a baby and grandmother? Not myself and I'm I'm sure most people are like this. Removal of weapons does not stop crazy people.

One of the only things that stop crazy people is being properly loved as a human being as they grow. If more people did their part in raising youth rather than scarring it, we would have less chaos. You can say, " but Muggy, it's the media! They play violent games!" Well hey, asshat parent/adult: you're the adult, raise a kid right, not lazy.

We all have very different lives and the one thing that most of the American attackers in any of these bombings shootings etc, are some strange eccentric guy we see every day in the streets. We as humans have to work as a society to ensure less flacka flakked people.


If TL for you:

Raise youth to not be crazy

[Mikefrompluto]

I know we are talking guns and all....but this was a bombing. Whoever was responsible for this was just an awful person. They had no thought of who they were hurting, lacking connection to their victims. Who in their right mind thinks its ok to blow up a baby and grandmother? Not myself and I'm I'm sure most people are like this. Removal of weapons does not stop crazy people.

One of the only things that stop crazy people is being properly loved as a human being as they grow. If more people did their part in raising youth rather than scarring it, we would have less chaos. You can say, " but Muggy, it's the media! They play violent games!" Well hey, asshat parent/adult: you're the adult, raise a kid right, not lazy.

We all have very different lives and the one thing that most of the American attackers in any of these bombings shootings etc, are some strange eccentric guy we see every day in the streets. We as humans have to work as a society to ensure less flacka flakked people.


If TL for you:

Raise youth to not be crazy

This! In the words of Louis CK: "Two people can't get married* just because YOU don't want to talk to your kid?"

*This is in the context of marriage, but the same principle can be applied to this conversation.

[Piotr]

Shooting will not happen without guns it's simple.

This is the most idiotic thing I have read in a long time.

Technically it is true, you remove guns the shootings will stop. Problem is, they will simply turn into bombings or whatnot. Another problem is, it is not possible to remove guns anyway, like with alcohol or drugs.

I use iMtG Law to judge these kind of things: it would be illegal to outlaw guns under iMtG Law for a good bunch of logical reasons, last but maybe not least being that you cannot break law in prohibition of law breaking. Goal NEVER justifies the means.

[Xaol]

I thought killing people with guns not in self defence was already criminalised?

It may be criminalised, but not nearly enough is done to try and prevent it in the first place, or to minimise it.

[Piotr]

I thought killing people with guns not in self defence was already criminalised?

It may be criminalised, but not nearly enough is done to try and prevent it in the first place, or to minimise it.

I beg to differ. Way too much is done in unlawful prevention, and the problem is already minimal. US is a big country, I would bet that during that day many more people drowned in their baths, and they do it every day not once in a few months or less.

[MarduArrow]

I saw a pic today of 2 little girls, one holding an assault rifle, the other holding a copy of Little Red Riding Hood, the caption on this pic read as follows: one of these children is holding something that has been banned in America to protect them, guess which one? Apparently LRRH is banned in American schools because there was a bottle of wine in her basket, wtf is wrong with people

[Mikefrompluto]

I saw a pic today of 2 little girls, one holding an assault rifle, the other holding a copy of Little Red Riding Hood, the caption on this pic read as follows: one of these children is holding something that has been banned in America to protect them, guess which one? Apparently LRRH is banned in American schools because there was a bottle of wine in her basket, wtf is wrong with people

We have so many banned books. Its ridiculous. Censoring of knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

[Mikefrompluto]

I saw a pic today of 2 little girls, one holding an assault rifle, the other holding a copy of Little Red Riding Hood, the caption on this pic read as follows: one of these children is holding something that has been banned in America to protect them, guess which one? Apparently LRRH is banned in American schools because there was a bottle of wine in her basket, wtf is wrong with people

We have so many banned books. Its ridiculous. Censoring of knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

[Xaol]

I thought killing people with guns not in self defence was already criminalised?

It may be criminalised, but not nearly enough is done to try and prevent it in the first place, or to minimise it.

I beg to differ. Way too much is done in unlawful prevention, and the problem is already minimal. US is a big country, I would bet that during that day many more people drowned in their baths, and they do it every day not once in a few months or less.

That's true, but dying in your bathtub is a) something the government can't really regulate and b) shootings have the potential to kill huge amounts of people, so do bombings. There were two snipers who went around the DC area a few years ago shooting people. They were able to ride around killing people for a few days before being caught. This tells me that the government needs to do more to stop this from happening, and that means more regulation of who gets weapons or not.

[Gorzo]

There are a lot of complications with the gun control debate though.

First off, like many here have said, banning guns doesn't stop psychos from getting their hands on them. Many of the big gun violence events in recent years, including columbine and sandy hook, were done with weapons that did not belong to the shooters. Besides, the gun is just a tool - it's the person that's killing, and that's what needs to be dealt with. A killer is going to find a way to kill - you take away his gun, he gets a bomb. Or a 747. Or a hatchet. Or their bare hands. We need to stop gawking at the tools and methods they use to hurt people and instead start working at the brain and mental issues that are causing these psychos to be created and motivates them to pick up these tools to hurt others in the first place.

2nd, this whole background checks thing... Criminal background checks to prevent violent offenders from getting guns? Umm, why aren't we already doing this? As for the comprehensive mental background checks, well...it won't work. How would you determine mental wellness? Who determines what qualifies? Do they look at records to see if the person has been seeing a therapist? Doctor-patient privelage prevents that doctor from discussing your issues with them. So...anyone on certain meds or seeing a psychiatrist is banned from owning a weapon? I mean, sure, I would like it if we could keep guns out of the hands of the criminally insane. But how does one determine dangerous mental incapacity under the current system without violating people's rights?

[Vyse]

   I don't get where people are getting their info, I've purchased two firearms in my life and I have gone through 2 background checks regarding my criminal history, you must provide I.D to prove who you say you are. These where at gun shows in Iowa, and I know other states have different laws on purchasing but you cannot just waltz into Walmart and purchase a baby killer 5000 without a background check and getting put on a waiting list.
  Even purchases from the Internet must be sent to a legal FFL liscense holder and previously mentioned background checks for them to happen so that scratches that out. It's not like people can't  get around this, but in most cases guns come into irresponsible hands illegally.

[Mikefrompluto]

   I don't get where people are getting their info, I've purchased two firearms in my life and I have gone through 2 background checks regarding my criminal history, you must provide I.D to prove who you say you are. These where at gun shows in Iowa, and I know other states have different laws on purchasing but you cannot just waltz into Walmart and purchase a baby killer 5000 without a background check and getting put on a waiting list.
  Even purchases from the Internet must be sent to a legal FFL liscense holder and previously mentioned background checks for them to happen so that scratches that out. It's not like people can't  get around this, but in most cases guns come into irresponsible hands illegally.

False.

http://www.nola.com/.politics./index.ssf/2013/04/senate_rejects_effort_to_expan.html

In the great state of Louisiana (my home state,) background checks are only required when purchasing from a licensed dealer. You can buy guns all day online and at gun shows, no questions asked and without being placed on a waiting list.