Origins lilly

[Oldschoolmtgnoob]

Doesn't matter. Chandra flip effect is only checked during  her tap ability.

I actually had a ruling on that during prerelease. My oppenent tapped for the damage, untapped, then attacked. I told him it transforms now, but he disagreed. So he called a judge, and the judge ruled that it does flip. Damage is damage.

It says "this turn" not "this way". I think that's where people miss it

True, so if you attack, deal 2 damage. Cast a spell to untap her then tap her for her ability she will flip.

The issue here is that her the check for when she flips is part of her tap ability. Its not something that is alway being checked for like lili. It's like {jace, vryn's prodigy} if you play him with 5 cards already in your graveyard, or you do something else to put a card in the graveyard so you have 5, doesn't make him flip. It is only checked after the first part of his tap ability.

[DaxosReturned]

Maybe it's all already handled but i read all the posts and i think i can add a little bit no one mentioned.

It seems OP is a bit thrown off by the wording of an ability having an "OR" operator construction. And the problem as I read is that he's confusing it with an "XOR" operator.

When you see an "OR" it means the result happens when the thing before the "OR" is true. Also, the result happens when the thing after the "OR" is true. In the deals-damage card mentioned, this means the result happens as explained for itself (before OR) and for each-all others like it (after OR).

It's not exclusively this or exclusively that, only one of the two things happen. That would be the "XOR", and it's different.

Hope this helps someone

[Oldschoolmtgnoob]

I did finally understand on all cases, thank you anyways

[DaxosReturned]

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