Lands in front of spells

[MuggyWuggy]

Would Magic Judges and Rules stop you from wearing a Go-Pro helmet as long as it is not transmitting live and is only recording?

personal "camera" matches

wearing it on the guise of recording how you play to watch for mistakes and the like and if you so happen to catch your opponent cheating you could hand the gopro to the judge?

Comp rel = no electronic devices

[LinkCelestrial]

How on earth does lands in front make it more shady? Wouldn't lands back be more shady? Bc you can quickly untap a land/play an extra one.

Hmm, untapping my lands and getting more out or, you know, not letting my opponent see my boards state, cheating in and untapping creatures?

Except the same exact thing can be said for Lands back ppl. Just replace creatures with lands in your argument. In fact, what is more easy to spot, a cheated in creature or an extra land? So wouldnt it be easier to cheat with lands back?

Maybe. We have stories here of people cheating lands up front and there's often covering.

[Rass]

How on earth does lands in front make it more shady? Wouldn't lands back be more shady? Bc you can quickly untap a land/play an extra one.

Hmm, untapping my lands and getting more out or, you know, not letting my opponent see my boards state, cheating in and untapping creatures?

Except the same exact thing can be said for Lands back ppl. Just replace creatures with lands in your argument. In fact, what is more easy to spot, a cheated in creature or an extra land? So wouldnt it be easier to cheat with lands back?

Maybe. We have stories here of people cheating lands up front and there's often covering.

That's because people are better at cheating with their lands in back so they don't get caught.😆😆😆

[Double-O-Scotch]

I still don't understand how there's a debate. It's only the blue players that do it.  Only blue play lands up front because everybody else uses these permanents called creatures to punch each other in the face until someone comes out a winner. As such, combat is a huge factor in determining that outcome. In 1v1 (which is how the game was originally designed, folks, see alpha {wheel of fortune}. With creatures closest to each other it is far easier to show attackers and assign blockers.  Blue has no need for this. Well, control has no need for this but we all know that control is synonymous with blue and therefore I hold blue ultimately responsible for this debacle.  It is the ARROGANCE of blue to play their own special way and it has to be different from everyone else. The irony is, it's all the same blue bs. Counter, bounce, counter, draw, draw, draw, draw, counter, bounce bounce counter counter counter. The same blue strategy in every format.

We tolerate this (by we I mean EVERY OTHER COLOR) because that's what we do. We accommodate each other so we can annihilate each other. All we ask is that you respect the way it's always been played. It makes sense logically, and a certain uniformity helps the game flow, makes it easier for others (new players, spectators) to understand, and ultimately people won't have anything to complain about anymore and we can all get along and proceed to destroy each other.

Ya big blue babies. Grow a pair and get in the game.

[Splicer]

I feel like I'm being discriminated. Blue is all I play lol.

[Mattao19]

I mean he doesn't play {U} are his points even valid? I mean what player would play a weaker colour ... ON PURPOSE! Sorry Double but your point has been {Couterspelled}

[griffin131]

I still don't understand how there's a debate. It's only the blue players that do it.  Only blue play lands up front because everybody else uses these permanents called creatures to punch each other in the face until someone comes out a winner. As such, combat is a huge factor in determining that outcome. In 1v1 (which is how the game was originally designed, folks, see alpha {wheel of fortune}. With creatures closest to each other it is far easier to show attackers and assign blockers.  Blue has no need for this. Well, control has no need for this but we all know that control is synonymous with blue and therefore I hold blue ultimately responsible for this debacle.  It is the ARROGANCE of blue to play their own special way and it has to be different from everyone else. The irony is, it's all the same blue bs. Counter, bounce, counter, draw, draw, draw, draw, counter, bounce bounce counter counter counter. The same blue strategy in every format.

We tolerate this (by we I mean EVERY OTHER COLOR) because that's what we do. We accommodate each other so we can annihilate each other. All we ask is that you respect the way it's always been played. It makes sense logically, and a certain uniformity helps the game flow, makes it easier for others (new players, spectators) to understand, and ultimately people won't have anything to complain about anymore and we can all get along and proceed to destroy each other.

Ya big blue babies. Grow a pair and get in the game.

So, on the off chance you're serious...

I rarely play blue, and when I do it's more of a splash. When I learned to play in 1994 I learned with lands in front.
MaRo's puzzles way back then in Wizard (iirc) had lands in front.

Please don't pretend lands in front is some conspiracy from blue players trying to make the game harder to understand.

[Double-O-Scotch]

Hey, if you gotta hit the EASY button to defeat your opponent, that's your deal. Followed through to its logical conclusion, if we all played like that, nothing would happen at all, we'd all draw extra, there'd be no need for any board clear and everything would get countered.  Just sit there looking at each other.

[Double-O-Scotch]

Love the {U} bashing. (Yes I maindeck {boil} and {tsunami} lol

[Mattao19]

I guess only real players can appreciate the beauty of the control mirror. Knowing when to go for it what to counter it is such a great match to watch but I guess non blue players have fun summoning 2/2s for 2 that just get wrathed

[theravenseye]

I guess only real players can appreciate the beauty of the control mirror. Knowing when to go for it what to counter it is such a great match to watch but I guess non blue players have fun summoning 2/2s for 2 that just get wrathed

Props to Return to Ravnica block.

[rarehuntertay]

Wasn't it in the 4th Ed. Rule Book stating that your non-land permanents had to be in front of your lands?

[Double-O-Scotch]

I guess only real players can appreciate the beauty of the control mirror. Knowing when to go for it what to counter it is such a great match to watch but I guess non blue players have fun summoning 2/2s for 2 that just get wrathed

Case in point. Blue arrogance. You blue mages are so impressed with yourselves. And to refer to yourselves as the "only real players", quite frankly, is pretty disappointing. Even The almighty Bolas knows well enough to be {B} and {R} aswell. Ugin doesn't even care. But no worries, they can just be countered. Unless your counter is countered, or it can't be countered!, or {price of glory} is on the field and you could counter it but you reaaaally don't want to.... Easy, bounce the price and counter it if it's played again.

I understand if that's all you play and you feel butthurt from my statements. However, don't be foolish enough to think that I don't play {U}. Here's a question, what is the only colour in the power nine? Here's a hint. Nm it's blue. Banned from standard (JtMS) blue, almost every "take extra turn" spell ever (don't, I know there's a bunch that aren't, I know, thank you though) blue, almost every counter, blue. Blue is by far the most powerful color of the color pie. Anybody would be a fool NOT to play blue in a competitive environment. It's just too good. I play a lot of EDH and I can recognize the need for a well placed counter to stop someone going infinite or comboing out.

That's why I try to avoid it. It's like training wheels. Sure I'll splash blue, if I need more card draw, or synergy with a certain mechanic. But I certainly won't build a deck based around just stopping other peoples stuff. Even the old {stasis} control decks punched you in the face during combat. Y'know, stuff was happening on the battlefield.

But blue has lost that noble attitude. They've been corrupted. Now, maybe it's the ichor, maybe it's the threat of eldrazi and they're just terrified, I'm not sure. Whatever the reason, Blue needs to go home and really think about where it's going in its life. At this rate, it's like an 8 year old with a high-powered flash light; annoying, not really useful, but highly entertaining to the 8 year old.

[rarehuntertay]

Whatever the reason, Blue needs to go home and really think about where it's going in its life. At this rate, it's like an 8 year old with a high-powered flash light; annoying, not really useful, but highly entertaining to the 8 year old.

Even if it were not for the rest of that this was worth the +1 a few times over

But it's so fun to play Blue without the counters... Blue aggro tribes ftw!!!

[Mattao19]

I mean ever {U} Mage has to splash for removal. I play {U}{W} for Elspeth and End Hostilities. I'm a fun player to play against sure I like to win but I like to crack jokes make small talk etc. it's not like we are robots lol but again I like to win hence why I play {U}