Dropping from a draft.

[Rass]

Drop vs replacement pack.

Drop really sucks. Unless you like sitting on the side watching for 50 minutes. I hate byes.

[LinkCelestrial]

I think it's quite naive to assume that dropping from a draft is significantly more impactful than a pack mulligan. Both have impacts that can be significant. And the idea that "a random pack is a random pack" is also flawed because no one is trying to mulligan bad packs. Only good "random packs" are being mulliganed. If i open a pack with two valuable and powerful cards, I am significantly affecting the draft if I pack mulligan. Now I still think it is possible to have a fair system that allows pack mulliganing, to incentivize people not to drop. However, I think it is very hard to determine what a fair value is for when you can pack mulligan. And this "open more than you could leave with" is also suspect. If everyone opens double ugin, you can expect to make that much so there's no guaranteed way to tell.

How is it niave? How does it not make sense that cutting a person and three packs makes a bigger difference than swapping a valuable pack with a random one?

I like swapping out the whole pack with a new one. That way they get to keep their power cards and not use them. For now I think it's the best option.

The other thing is that it is the way it is. If you get so hung up on the impact of people staying versus dropping versus swapping packs how on earth do you decide what socks to wear, nevermind what cards to pick when drafting. The fact is that the future is what it is, and acting on what such insignificant things will or won't change is a horrible way to spend your life, and an even worse excuse for getting mad at somebody.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

I think it's quite naive to assume that dropping from a draft is significantly more impactful than a pack mulligan. Both have impacts that can be significant. And the idea that "a random pack is a random pack" is also flawed because no one is trying to mulligan bad packs. Only good "random packs" are being mulliganed. If i open a pack with two valuable and powerful cards, I am significantly affecting the draft if I pack mulligan. Now I still think it is possible to have a fair system that allows pack mulliganing, to incentivize people not to drop. However, I think it is very hard to determine what a fair value is for when you can pack mulligan. And this "open more than you could leave with" is also suspect. If everyone opens double ugin, you can expect to make that much so there's no guaranteed way to tell.

How is it niave? How does it not make sense that cutting a person and three packs makes a bigger difference than swapping a valuable pack with a random one?

I like swapping out the whole pack with a new one. That way they get to keep their power cards and not use them. For now I think it's the best option.

The other thing is that it is the way it is. If you get so hung up on the impact of people staying versus dropping versus swapping packs how on earth do you decide what socks to wear, nevermind what cards to pick when drafting. The fact is that the future is what it is, and acting on what such insignificant things will or won't change is a horrible way to spend your life, and an even worse excuse for getting mad at somebody.

Im going to make a comparison to soccer. They also have a 'non competitive' format called in international friendly. Does that mean they are allowed to bend the rules if it nets them a monetary gain? Of course not. They still follow the rules of soccer. Maybe not the best analogy but i think my point is sufficiently made. As far people taking seriously things that you dont being a horrible way to live, well thats both offensive and arrogant.  You are entitled to your beliefs without being .poo. on and so is everyone else. Bottom line, the rules dont allow it, therefore it shouldnt be done. I wont begrudge anyone for doing it if they can get away with it, but if it happens i will never draft with those people again.

[LinkCelestrial]

I understand what you're saying in regards to the soccer example. If the LGS doesn't advocate pack swapping and it's not made clear that it's allowed before cracking packs I agree one hundred percent. However if the option is there I have no issues with it being used.

As for me "being offensive and arrogant" I'm sorry I came across that way. This is off topic but I've watched too many people go downhill off of "what if" mentalities. (Generally with people committing suicide). Myself included. What I'm saying is that acting on the impact of insignificant things is pointless. You gain nothing. If I had worn a different pair of socks today maybe I wouldn't be typing this. But what does anyone gain by thinking about that? I just can't accept such a flawed logic to support such strong bias.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

I understand what you're saying in regards to the soccer example. If the LGS doesn't advocate pack swapping and it's not made clear that it's allowed before cracking packs I agree one hundred percent. However if the option is there I have no issues with it being used.

As for me "being offensive and arrogant" I'm sorry I came across that way. This is off topic but I've watched too many people go downhill off of "what if" mentalities. (Generally with people committing suicide). Myself included. What I'm saying is that acting on the impact of insignificant things is pointless. You gain nothing. If I had worn a different pair of socks today maybe I wouldn't be typing this. But what does anyone gain by thinking about that? I just can't accept such a flawed logic to support such strong bias.

I get what you are saying. But the logic isnt flawed. The entire concept of a draft is 'draft with the 3 packs you have in front of you at the draft' not 'draft with the 3 packs you have in front of you unless your pack has 2 cards worth a bit of money in which case you may keep them and open another pack for the draft so you dont have to share'

On that basis, draft or drop. Dont expect the rules to get broken to accomodate your regret of drafting those packs instead of just opening them, because at the end of the day thats all it really is. Almost like a form of buyers remorse, or an investment gone bad. And to be completely honest, i believe that you already have more than you deserve by being allowed to drop and keep the entire pack.

As far as the lgs making it clear that it isnt allowed, well they shouldnt have to. One should assume that at a sanctioned event the rules are followed and that doesnt happen.  If anything they should make it clear before hand if it is allowed. And for me personally, if it is allowed, the first draft that it happens in is the last draft i attend at that particular store. But that's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.