Modern Masters 2015 (Speculation and Spoilers)

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Pls don't reprint the fulminators

If they do, they will barely drop. At $~15 a pack, they should hold pretty well.

[LinkCelestrial]

Affinity staples. Specifically pretty much everything in the decklist I'm about to post.

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{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!

This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.

[cltrn81]

{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!

This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.

The print run will not be that high.  It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.

[blackychan1]

{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!

This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.

The print run will not be that high.  It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.

I still don't know if it would bring her to $5.00... I'd definitely run her over caryatid, and caryatid is $14!

[griffin131]

{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!

This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.

The print run will not be that high.  It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.

I still don't know if it would bring her to $5.00... I'd definitely run her over caryatid, and caryatid is $14!

In standard?  Exalted isn't worth *that* much. 2 toughness and 2 fewer colors to tap for (and one CMC) for exalted...

[blackychan1]

{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!

This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.

The print run will not be that high.  It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.

I still don't know if it would bring her to $5.00... I'd definitely run her over caryatid, and caryatid is $14!

In standard?  Exalted isn't worth *that* much. 2 toughness and 2 fewer colors to tap for (and one CMC) for exalted...

It's the T1 exalted that does it for me. (Also, imb paying UG aggro)

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I'm wondering if any of the cards that could be unbanned next month could see print. WoTC banned a few boogey men early for modern, but as we've seen from {Bitterblossom} and {Wild Nacatl}, they really aren't that scary. I'm wondering if WoTC has been planning on a slow unbanning of many of the cards banned early and because they were confident they would unban them, could appear. For example: {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} could come off without too much of an impact, and I wonder WotC already planned to take it off the list, if they would put it in Modern Masters.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Why is everyone afraid of JTMS? He is great, but he is far from broken in Modern at this point. 2UU at sorcery speed and dies to Bolt unless they +2 immediately. It might see play in control, but it wouldn't be dominant or anything, it was only banned because when Modern was made WoTC was afraid of Faeries taking over the format (same reason {Bitterblossom} was banned). I also don't see how SFM is related, JTMS is a vulnerable 4 drop that doesn't really do anything too broken (would you pay {2}{U}{U} for a sorcery speed {Brainstorm}?) where as SFM is a 2 drop that can tutor up a {Batterskull} or any other equipment and put it into play for {1}{W}, that is quicker and more efficient than JTMS. Honestly though, I could SFM being a lot of fun in modern if {Batterskull} were banned because of {Puresteel Paladin} decks, but I highly doubt they will ban Batterskull because it was just a GP promo. JTMS wouldn't be broken, especially if they leave TC in the format. If between discard, burn, creatures and counterspells, you can't keep a Jace from ultying, what are you playing?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

A repeatable draw3 (because of fetches) isn't broken?  You are throwing a fit about cruise but think jtms is ok?  Learn magic.

Wow, being an ass helps. It isn't draw 3, it's draw three, and put the worst 2 back, and if you have a fetchland, you can get rid of them. Also, it isn't very hard to kill him. TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with (the most played card in the format takes him down), Learn Magic. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}. It is cute that you think {Brainstorm} and {Ancestral Recall} are the same thing though.

Edit: the only reason they might not want to unban him is price (because he could rocket back up to $400 overnight) and they are afraid that TC leaving, and Jace coming in could lead too much of a swing.

Edit 2: If we want to continue this we should make another thread or go to the Modern Banlist thread.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

A repeatable draw3 (because of fetches) isn't broken?  You are throwing a fit about cruise but think jtms is ok?  Learn magic.

Wow, being an ass helps. It isn't draw 3, it's draw three, and put the worst 2 back, and if you have a fetchland, you can get rid of them. Also, it isn't very hard to kill him. TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with (the most played card in the format takes him down), Learn Magic. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}. It is cute that you think {Brainstorm} and {Ancestral Recall} are the same thing though.

Edit: the only reason they might not want to unban him is price (because he could rocket back up to $400 overnight) and they are afraid that TC leaving, and Jace coming in could lead too much of a swing.

Edit 2: If we want to continue this we should make another thread or go to the Modern Banlist thread.

Since when does Bolt kill Jace? I'm sure any competent player playing against a red-ish deck would wind him up first at least.

[blackychan1]

I dunno. The reason I see JTMS as better than TC is that even If jace dies T1 of being out, you still get the equivalent of drawing three (putting three NEW cards in hand, not increasing hand count by three), and he is a threat that MUST be dealt with pretty quickly. Not because of his Ult, but because of the sheer card advantage, MAKING your opponent use his removal on it, thus dictating what your opponent uses his mama for. Also, he can be run more efficiently than TC in more decks, because mainly decks with only low cost spells (delver, burn, storm) can use TC efficiently early enough in the game that it matters.

[MuggyWuggy]

3 cards is cool

But a PW who people have to move their strategy around is much better

One is like: ok go draw three cards

The other is like: Jace???!! (Opponent grabs head and slowly brings it to table as they contemplate what to do)

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I think you all seriously overestimate the card. I have one, I play it, it's great, but it isn't the god you are all making it out to be. I think he would only be unbanned now if TC stays in the format and even then it would be debatable if people would even play it. It would get overrun with Delvers and Pyro-tokens. People remember that it from its reign of terror as a part of Caw-blade, but forget that modern decks are slightly better than {Bloodghast}/{Vampire Nighthawk} vampire tribal that Jace played against in standard.

Since when does Bolt kill Jace? I'm sure any competent player playing against a red-ish deck would wind him up first at least.

Okay, so know you are playing {2}{U}{U} sorcery: scry 1 or fateseal one, during your next turn's mainphase, {Brainstorm}.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Treasure cruise gets you 3 new cards turn 6. Jace gets you 3 new cards turn 4,5 and 6. He can screw your opponent out of what they need or get you to what you need. You can repeatedly bounce their threats and his ult wins games. How is treasure cruise better than him?

Lol, turn 6? Have you seen Delver play a game? Comparing TC and Jace is really apples and oranges, because they have completely different applications and go in different decks.