Primal Surge and Purphoros, God of the Forge

Started by Daxos, June 06, 2014, 01:11:14 AM

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Shackles

 Hey. I'm pretty new to the official rules of magic. Thanks for all the novels guys. It has taken me a while to understand even the concept of the stack. This gave me a much better understanding. Thanks



BTW I have a pocket on a single pair of shorts that can somehow fit an IPad.

Daxos

Sorry to revive this but I just imagined something and I'm not sure how to apply the rules, so please help me think it through.

So I'm pretty sure one of my opponents will be packing a Purphoros, God of the Forge himself. The thing is my deck definitely has one that could be flipped into play by a Primal Surge as described during our original discussion. the thing is, I'm also packing a Gilded Drake. you can see where this is going:

What if my friend plays his Purphy (P#1) and I Gilded Drake it, so I become its controller. Then, next turn I Primal Surge, hulking out my own Purphy (P#2) on flip number ten out of forty....

1. Does the Legendary Rule instructing me to destroy one of the two Purphys resolves immediately upon P#2 hitting the board, even though we are mid-resolution of my Primal Surge Sorcery? Doesn't it use the stack as well?
2. If the answer to the first question is no, and the sacrifice occurs after the sorcery is done resolving... doesn't that mean that there will be two of each "deals 2 damage" triggers for each creature that entered after P#2?
3. If there would be indeed two triggers on the stack for each creature after Purphy#2,  what happens to them after I sacrifice one of the Purphys. I think since the card that put them leaves play, perhaps they should be ignored or removed from the stack. But i'm not that sure since I remember some other rulings about stuff that lewves after placing stuff om the stack, and if I remember correctly, they do try to indeed play out.
4. If the answer to that last third question is something that is not obvious or simple, is there any diff. between sacrificing my God (P#2) versus sacrificing his God (P#1)? Is one option more advantageous than the other?, for me I mean.
5. What about if my Gilded Drake is one of the flipped cards instead? In that case, according to our collective understanding of these applicable rulings and scenarios, the Gilded Drake would stay on my side of the board until the end of Primal Surge flipping session (resolution). If that correct?
6. How do I tag/link to the cards as suggested on the Read-Me?

ok, have fun with this one. Check back soon, and thanks for the brain powers :)

particle

so the legendary rule that will make you sacrific a purphorous will not interrupt a spell that is in the middle of resolving. the next time a player would recieve priority, state based actions are checked and you gotta sack one. but both will see the other creatures enter and trigger. those triggers will not be removed from the stack or nullified even if the purph that caused them is gone. gilded drakes ability will also wait for you to finish resolving surge, and then trigger and cause you to switch.

Pleeb

{gilded drake}. Cause I don't know the card.

particle

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Quote from: Pleeb on June 13, 2014, 09:55:13 AM
{gilded drake}. Cause I don't know the card.

i think originally it was printed as a downside to having a 3/3 flyer for 1u but then ppl realized how dumb it could be for stealing your opponents bomb.

Daxos

wow Particle, if what you say is correct and true.... that's bonkers!

returning to original example,
Purphy#1 will see all 40 creatures enter the battlefield and put 40 2-damage delayed triggers on the stack
Purphy#2 will see all 30 creatures revealed from top of library that entered the battlefield after himself and place 30 2-damage delayed triggers on the stack.
Then upon Primal Surge going to graveyard, following APNAP we check state and apply Legend rule to sacrifice one of the two Purphys in play. Then I choose order of triggers and can legally say: Your Purphy deals 80 damage to all my opponents (since I controlled it) and My Purphy deals 60 damage to all my opponents...

Anyone care to survive and deal with my 30+ creature strong attacking army?

That is Bonkers!!
140 damage to eqch opponent, wow



particle

Quote from: Daxos on June 13, 2014, 04:53:32 PM
wow Particle, if what you say is correct and true.... that's bonkers!

what are you referring to? {gilded drake}'s origin?