Should Marijuana be Legal in the USA?

[MisterJH]

Look at my example of visiting other countries damnit i thought it was a good comparison

[Spencer Addington]

Happiness is long term enjoyment of life.  Drugs don't give you happiness. They give you pleasure.  Pleasure is short term.  As soon as the high goes away, you don't feel good.

Sorry, just had to clear that up.  You can continue your argument by replacing happiness with pleasure, and I won't really be able to hit you with anything except my last argument.

How do you know you don't feel good after the high? I feel tired after the high and sleep like a baby. Sure I have a little cotton mouth, but it's nothing water can't fix.

[MisterJH]

Marijuana is actually a hallucinogen so it technically doesnt make you feel happy, just different. The only cases where it makes you feel 'happy' is when youre unhappy to begin with. For most people it just makes them feel different, then when the high is done they sleep for a couple hours and feel completely normal. No happiness is involved, its just an altered state of mind. The same way alcohol doesnt exactly make you happy, just behave differently. Its nothing like MDMA which actually stimulates the release of 'happy chemicals.'

[Rass]

Anyway you guys can hash this out already.

[Wingnut]

Anyway you guys can "hash" this out already.

I see what you did there, sneaky bugga.

[Spencer Addington]

Happiness is long term enjoyment of life.  Drugs don't give you happiness. They give you pleasure.  Pleasure is short term.  As soon as the high goes away, you don't feel good.

Sorry, just had to clear that up.  You can continue your argument by replacing happiness with pleasure, and I won't really be able to hit you with anything except my last argument.

How do you know you don't feel good after the high? I feel tired after the high and sleep like a baby. Sure I have a little cotton mouth, but it's nothing water can't fix.

*You don't feel the desire able way you do during your high

Desirable way?

[Spencer Addington]

If they way you feel isn't desire able then why are you using it for recreation?

I never said it wasn't desirable.

[Wingnut]

Happiness is long term enjoyment of life.  Drugs don't give you happiness. They give you pleasure.  Pleasure is short term.  As soon as the high goes away, you don't feel good.

Sorry, just had to clear that up.  You can continue your argument by replacing happiness with pleasure, and I won't really be able to hit you with anything except my last argument.

See but you are confusing pleasure and short term release. It's not about creating pleasure it's about relaxing stress through means of chemicals. I personally do not smoke even though I have nothing against it or someone who does. But I admit that I drink (enough for the two of us) for my "release", it's about letting the stress from the day go away for a period of time. Some people drink, some people smoke, some people pray, some people beat their kids, to each his own. ( kids thing was a joke by the way, I would never hurt my children and I do not endorse people who do).

[Spencer Addington]

But using chemicals to do it never lasts.  You are released for as long as the chemicals have an effect, and then you're back to normal, then you drink more and more and rape your liver.

Moderation is a thing people are capable of...

[Spencer Addington]

The general cycle if you're trying to block out pain, is to keep doing it.  They can do it in moderation, but they don't.  (Most of the time, if for above reason)

There are always going to be people that abuse a product. Then there's the other 80ish% that use it recreationally and don't abuse. It's hard to abuse weed too. If you don't smoke it you can't really die from it. The only scenario in which weed can kill is if a pallet of it falls on you and crushes you to death.

[rarehuntertay]

I had a friend in college that would go through a pound a week. He was the basketball team, and the funny thing was, he absolutely could not play if he was sober. But after smoking, he was one of the best players I have ever seen. Kinda weird thinking about it.

[Piotr]

I had a friend in college that would go through a pound a week. He was the basketball team, and the funny thing was, he absolutely could not play if he was sober. But after smoking, he was one of the best players I have ever seen. Kinda weird thinking about it.

No it is not weird, marijuana makes you think in different way to your normal thinking. In a lot of people it induces ideas they would not otherwise have, it makes them think more 'out of the box' than they normally do. There are some problems related to this, but I can see how these would not matter much in a fast paced physical game such as basketball. I would imagine it would help in table tennis too.

[MisterJH]

Ok but people abuse the wazoo out of keyboard cleaners, doesnt mean it wont clean 99% of peoples keyboards very well

Youre making an argument for the few percent that use drugs to deal with psychological problems, which is bad yes but not something to base an argument off of
Maybe those same people would commit suicide or who knows what without marijuana
Chances are theyd still never solve their issues but theyd be unhapy and sober all the time which is even less pleasing

You cant say its a bad product because not every single person can use it effectively, theres no product that works for everyone except food

[MuggyWuggy]

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/27/time-reefer-sanity/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

This is an OP Ed. This is not a link to factual sources.

Please cite scientists studies not OP Eds. (Opinion editorials)

[particle]

The general cycle if you're trying to block out pain, is to keep doing it.  They can do it in moderation, but they don't.  (Most of the time, if for above reason)

There are always going to be people that abuse a product. Then there's the other 80ish% that use it recreationally and don't abuse. It's hard to abuse weed too. If you don't smoke it you can't really die from it. The only scenario in which weed can kill is if a pallet of it falls on you and crushes you to death.

I have no source for this information but I heard that scientists were testing the lethality of marijuana on rats to try to compare the data to humans. so apparently the amount of marijuana a human would need to smoke for lethality  would be the weight of the VW beetle. obviously, unless you are  locked in a small room and marijuana smoke is being pumped in constantly, it would be impossible for you to consume that much marijuana. any human would pass out long before they could consume that much. and obviously the human would die much faster from oxygen deprivation than they would from a marijuana overdose. i would look for a source but i dont think it matters. taybsy, until you have some source that isnt an op-ed, that supports/proves your sentiments about why most pot smokers use, and why they dont use, please stop presenting your opinions as fact.