Wussification of America

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Ok youre missing the point. First of all, getting punched in the face is DANGEROUS, and infringes another persons right to safety. Thats vastly different than making someone 'feel bad.'

Verbal abuse has been shown to actually leave physical indicators in people's brain. Also, many people kill themselves and hurt themselves over what people say. Why can't people just not be douches? Wouldn't that solve all of our problems?

[MisterJH]

The same could be said in the opposite directions.  Their views are "offensive" to me.  Why should I have to be quiet just because I'm on the other side of the debate.

Like If I say "being fat is unhealthy it makes you sick more, makes you more suceptible to heart disease, etc"  and they find it offensive because they're fat, I should still be able to tell them that and not have to keep quiet.  I'm not harassing them and saying "your fat, you're ugly, no one likes you". I'm just saying my views in a way that shouldn't hurt their feelings.

Because they have should to right to live how they want to, but you shouldn't have the right to criticize them. Say what you want behind their back, crack jokes with your friends, but saying hurtful things to their face isn't constructive in any way.

Ok here is where i get really upset.. I shouldnt have the right to hurt your feelings? What gives you the right to never be upset? Since when, from the dawn of time, does anyone have a 'right' to never face conflict? Thats actually a minor example, what Taysby used, in regards to telling someone obesity is unhealthy. Thats a polite and respectful way to pose your agreements and opinions. I just am astounded that you have the audacity to say i have no RIGHT to say something that might make someone feel bad. The facts are lfe has conflicts. If it makes you feel that bad you either need help with self esteem or maybe you realize your morbid obesity is actually somethig to feel bad about. I have EVERY RIGHT to say that and many other things, to whoever i want whenever i want. You have quite directly said freedom of speech should not be quite so free. you have told me my basic human rights as defined by the Constitution as well as just basic acknowledgment by civilized society should not be so. I SHOULD have a right to say that to someones face, i should absolutely be able to make people aware that their harming themselves, alog with ABSOLUTELY being allowed to tell someone i think gay people are going tohell(a more extreme example, not a personal viewpoint).

Vegetarians can hate in meat eaters all day long, same thing. Ugh i dont even know how to fully express how much fault i find in you saying i HAVE NO RIGHT to say something that might make another feel bad. I suppose you also believe one could successfully build one of the fad utopian societies as well? The ones which have been proven to work, because guess what. Sometimes you have to feel bad. Its hard to function without being able to tolerate 'feeling bad.'
Learn to deal with someone calling you fat rather than infringing on their rights because of horribly damaged sense of self worth or your own lack of knowledge of conflict resolution. Hey, come back and call that person a bigot, make them feel bad. Guess what, that IS YOUR RIGHT.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

LR;DR. The main point is: Don't be a .rearexit. for the sake of being a .rearexit.. The world would be a lot better place if people were more considerate of others. There is literally no argument that can persuade me otherwise, so this is the last I will post on this subject.

[Ieatfood7]

No i think emotional abuse is the biggest joke in the world. Its basically saying 'someones words are more powerful than your self esteem'

Its not an overreaction, its having my eyes open to whats happening. You can disagree but do NOT tell me what i think and feel, thats way overstepping your freedoms. Id go so far as to say its emotional abuse

I have no idea whether to take you seriously or whether you are just a troll. I will risk feeding a troll and assume you are serous.

I sincerely appologize for accidentally putting words in your mouth. That was not my intent. I assumed I was talking with a reasonable adult, not a troll and or ignorant person and or sociopath.

First, I want to steer away from any specific topic, as the correctness of homosexuality etc is not the issue.

Second, of course psycogival abuse exists. Psych

[MisterJH]

Ok youre missing the point. First of all, getting punched in the face is DANGEROUS, and infringes another persons right to safety. Thats vastly different than making someone 'feel bad.'

Verbal abuse has been shown to actually leave physical indicators in people's brain. Also, many people kill themselves and hurt themselves over what people say. Why can't people just not be douches? Wouldn't that solve all of our problems?

Oh yes, yes indeed, but youre speaking in ideals. Which is the cause of this 'issue' in america. The world will never be an ideal place, and if you believe it can you will die sorely disappointed. Also, to be verbally abused chances are you have to stick around(in cases of abuse by partners, family members post legal age, etc). Of course in the case of verbally abusing a child, that could be considered neglect which is definitely illegal, i agree it should be. Thats horrible. However if someone able to think and speak for themselves allows verbal abuse, its as much their fault. And it should be noted that a lot of the problems are caused by previous generation's failure to properly prepare their offpspring for the real world, opting instead to raise them according to these ideals. so i understand some people are not well equipped to deal with this. The thing is, everyone should be, its part of a healthy psyche, and i feel awful for those who commit suicide over bullying, because its the direct fault of their guardians that they could not handle such an event. However it is NOT the bullies fault they took it to such extremes and committed such an act. Sure, they were huge weiner shnizzles, but its the childs inability to cope that lead to such an event. If it were under the control of a bully, well guess what? Id be dead. Most kids would. So many deal with bullying, but when properly raised and prepared they should and will e able to handle it, because thats the nature ofthis world.

[MisterJH]

LR;DR. The main point is: Don't be a .rearexit. for the sake of being a .rearexit.. The world would be a lot better place if people were more considerate of others. There is literally no argument that can persuade me otherwise, so this is the last I will post on this subject.

Well im not tryig to convice you otherwise, so im fairly sure you completely missed what ive been saying. I agree, people should be more considerate. Myy argument is against the belief that being inconsiderate should be punishable by law, which now happens. The frequency i do not know, but it does happen and its because of a lack of ability to cope with conflict, thus giving a 'bully' more control than you yourself have, which is just absolutely bull crap.

[Ieatfood7]

...psychological toeture is real. See extreme cases of stalking. See the book 1984 ( he was beaten severely but it was the psychological torture that broke him).  It is obvious that "just words" can do extreme harm to anyone if applied correctly.

Saying that such actions should not be legislated is to say that the psychologically strong should be able to hurt the psychologically weak with impunity. You go gather and say that such actions should not be socially unacceptable ( important note!most of the examples in this thread are not illegal...politically incorrect means it us legal but that you face social repercussions for it. In some societies in American being non Christian is socially unacceptable though not illegal. In some being a biblical literalist is socially unacceptable but not illegal. No word is illegal in America. Racism is not illegal (firing someone from their job due to racism is, but vrrbalizing your racism is not illegal). They are just unacceptable. The law only steps in when you cross the line to abuse/assault/threats, and hardly ever then. Google"intentional infliction of emotional distress" and see how very very very hard it is to win on that theory).

A person can have their life forever ruined by emotional and psychological damage, just as much as by physical damage. If a persons body is weak, a light punch could make their body be unable to go on living. If a person's mind/will is weak, a light mental assault could make their mind be unable to go on. (I am not saying you can't ever hurt feelings, just the te principals exist that psychological harm is real and dangerous.)

[MisterJH]

No i think emotional abuse is the biggest joke in the world. Its basically saying 'someones words are more powerful than your self esteem'

Its not an overreaction, its having my eyes open to whats happening. You can disagree but do NOT tell me what i think and feel, thats way overstepping your freedoms. Id go so far as to say its emotional abuse

I have no idea whether to take you seriously or whether you are just a troll. I will risk feeding a troll and assume you are serous.

I sincerely appologize for accidentally putting words in your mouth. That was not my intent. I assumed I was talking with a reasonable adult, not a troll and or ignorant person and or sociopath.

First, I want to steer away from any specific topic, as the correctness of homosexuality etc is not the issue.

Second, of course psycogival abuse exists. Psych

It does exist. So do "hate crimes" which are just regular crimes that just so happen to be done to a minority(in a majority of cases, barring thigs like burning a cross on someones lawn, which is obviously directed towards hatig a religion, and goes into the 'stalker' type of harassment).
Ironically, you have called me ignorant and a troll(which i am neither) which 'makes me feel bad.' Also, you never seemed to have finished your post. And if youre so logical why can you not seem to understand what im saying? I didnt claim psychological abuse doesnt exist. Ive done and said nothing sociopathic. In fact i have stated multiple times i agree being intolerant is wrong, im a VERY tolerant person if you cant tell from me not name calling with my panties in a bunch(which is what you resort to). My argument is with how sensitive society has truly become, never once have i argued a different point per se, and never once have i advocated harassment, name calling, intolerance, abuse, homophobia, or any of the other various things youd likely accuse me of supporting. Saying someone has a right to be a douche is significantly different than advocating such behavior, as i have not attempted to further or encourage such behavior. If youre such a mature adult who follows reason you should probably have understood that. Id appreciate you not posting again because you cant seem to handle conversation. However feel free if youd like, i will read and fairly acknowledge what you have to say, as its very hard to put me to the point where i just ignore you. If youve got somethig logical and relevant to say, be my guest. Its your right

[Ieatfood7]

Sorry for the split post above...a continuation from a few posts back. I accidentally clicked send halfway through and a lot of people posted in the interim.

[MisterJH]

...psychological toeture is real. See extreme cases of stalking. See the book 1984 ( he was beaten severely but it was the psychological torture that broke him).  It is obvious that "just words" can do extreme harm to anyone if applied correctly.

Saying that such actions should not be legislated is to say that the psychologically strong should be able to hurt the psychologically weak with impunity. You go gather and say that such actions should not be socially unacceptable ( important note!most of the examples in this thread are not illegal...politically incorrect means it us legal but that you face social repercussions for it. In some societies in American being non Christian is socially unacceptable though not illegal. In some being a biblical literalist is socially unacceptable but not illegal. No word is illegal in America. Racism is not illegal (firing someone from their job due to racism is, but vrrbalizing your racism is not illegal). They are just unacceptable. The law only steps in when you cross the line to abuse/assault/threats, and hardly ever then. Google"intentional infliction of emotional distress" and see how very very very hard it is to win on that theory).

A person can have their life forever ruined by emotional and psychological damage, just as much as by physical damage. If a persons body is weak, a light punch could make their body be unable to go on living. If a person's mind/will is weak, a light mental assault could make their mind be unable to go on. (I am not saying you can't ever hurt feelings, just the te principals exist that psychological harm is real and dangerous.)

And you refer to abusive cases that also involve physical harm. If you go from beginning to finish, im mostly referring to the fact that political correctness is becomig close to illegal now, as making a finger gun may be politically incorrect in school, yet a child faced very real repercussions. Of course it evolved into wether someone should be allowed to call some a fat tub of lard, or a fag etc, and what i argue is that its up to the person being targeted to handle such things, as they happen and will always happen. Someone will always be ready to put you down. To be a healthy functioning individual id argue youd have to get bullied at some point, just to understand. And if youre healthy chances are youll brush it off like most, and though i may upset you thats the extent, and hopefully not too bad. My argument is not that constant harassment should be legal, although i do agree that for one to remain in a verbally abusive relationship for example, they are lacking the ability to handle themselves which is partially their fault, or the fault of their improper raising. For the most part its made out to seem as if im actively trying to have people hurt other when really im using those as examples to portray oversensitivity and the trend to shelter children from conflict rather than have them develop a healthy self esteem.

[PapaBudz]

I can't stand America. I plan on traveling the world and settling where I feel is right.

I agree that people get offended to easily, but at the same time people are way to anxious to insult. Sadly. empathy seems to be a think of the past. I'm trying to make a revival, but the good news is nature constantly evolves.

[MisterJH]

I can't stand America. I plan on traveling the world and settling where I feel is right.

I agree that people get offended to easily, but at the same time people are way to anxious to insult. Sadly. empathy seems to be a think of the past. I'm trying to make a revival, but the good news is nature constantly evolves.

I also wouldnt mind leaving America one day. Ya empathy is an art rather than a base trait nowadays.

[MisterJH]

There's a difference between harassment and saying that being gay isn't good because god said it was bad.
Harassment would be
You're gay?  Why?  It's an atrocity, you're a horrible person for being gay, you should go kill yourself.
Other option
Being gay isn't good.  God said so, but I still respect you as a person.

Harassment is excessive, intentionally hurtful things.

Where is it said that gaynsss is wrong? I do believe it also says not to judge someone for the choices they make.

It was said a man is made for a woman, and implied very strongly. Sodom was a horribly sinful place(biblically) that was sent up in a blazing pillar. I think its clear that the bible did not support homosexuality, although it never explicitly said 'homosexuals are terrible and will go to hell.' so if youd like to cling onto the lack of direct forbidance be my guest, im indifferent. However this is besides the point again. I encourage you to make a separate post about this if you desire to discuss further, i will gladly contribute without getting too angry or being a bigot. I encourage debate even if im firmly set in my ways

Your religion supports the owning of human beings.... How are you not disgusted by that?

...? What? I never even stated my religion, much lesss affiliated with one that supports slavery.

[MisterJH]

? Never once did i say i supported any religion, and i know i did not claim to be a bible beater. Although you caught me, i am a Christian :O. Not a strict one by any means, it just fits my beliefs best, if libertarian were a religion thats what id be haha. Truthfully i disagree with many of the official standing of the church, id almost go so far as to most. I hardly keep up with them though cuz ive got my own belief system.

There, you got me!

[MisterJH]

Also to be clear: i do NOT believe there is an inferior race!