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[Gorzo]

Well said, Wingnut.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I think Phil Robertson needs to take advice from Mackelmore:

"America the brave still fears what we don't know
And God loves all his children, is somehow forgotten
But we paraphrase a book written thirty-five-hundred years ago" -Same Love, by Mackelmore and Lewis

[DirtyMustachio]

Grass is always greener on the other side when your opinionated.

And neither side will win. So save yourself the friendships and focus on the common ground.

And I really hope you don't take this the wrong way but since when was popular culture icons, hip hop stars, and movie stars the ideal place to start takong advice and mentorship from...

[Wingnut]

Well said, Wingnut.

Thank you, thank you. Try the veal.

[Moneekahh]

The way he worded himself was vile and lacked respect. His employer was completely within their rights to suspend him. Unfortunately, I doubt he will learn anything from it.

Also, what he expressed was hatred hidden behind the veil of religion. Pretty pathetic, IMO. If he's going to be a bigoted .rearexit., that's totally on him, he's just giving god a bad name because he wants to justify his asinine beliefs.

EDIT: part of the interview that was particularly offensive to me.

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,"

[Tonygrabowski4]

First let me say that I have no problem with what he said, how he said it, or what happened to him for saying it.  I think he should be able to say whatever he wants.  Just as I believe that his employer should be able to fire/suspend him for those statements.  What I find fascinating is the hypocrisy.  If A&E fired some person for making a gay statement, even if that statement was unbecoming to A&E as a company, the outcry would not be the same.  I think there is a double standard.  If your beliefs are not part of the mainstream, then you must be wrong, right?  Fifty years ago gays were persecuted because being gay was not mainstream and nowadays anybody who believes that being gay is wrong is persecuted.  All the same, Robertson's beliefs are his and his alone.  He can believe anything he wants.  Tell anybody what he believes. Just as you and I can believe anything we want and tell anybody what we believe.

[Tonygrabowski4]

It's not mainstream, it's recognizing biological prederelictions for what they are, instead of interpreting them through some document written over 3000 years ago.

Just because something is right, it doesn't mean it isn't mainstream.  Regardless of personnel belief (I have no problem with homosexuality btw), if someone disagrees with the gay lifestyle then they are torn apart by the media.  I just don't think that is right.

[Mikefrompluto]

Even if you don't agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is gay? It has literally no affect over your life. The "well I have to explain it to my kids" excuse is stupid. I know no one here has said it but I hear it often and I'm tired of hearing it.

In the words of Louis CK: "Two men or women shouldn't get married because you don't want to talk to your ugly kid for five minutes?"

As for the Phil Robertson thing. Freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility. As stated above, if I blow up on a customer, I have to deal with the blow back. That's on me. It's the same with A&E.

[Tonygrabowski4]

Even if you don't agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is gay? It has literally no affect over your life. The "well I have to explain it to my kids" excuse is stupid. I know no one here has said it but I hear it often and I'm tired of hearing it.

In the words of Louis CK: "Two men or women shouldn't get married because you don't want to talk to your ugly kid for five minutes?"

As for the Phil Robertson thing. Freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility. As stated above, if I blow up on a customer, I have to deal with the blow back. That's on me. It's the same with A&E.

Couldn't agree more.  It does work both ways though.  Even if you agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is against someone being gay?  It has literally no effect over your life.  If I go off on my boss or go off about something that is detrimental to my company, I expect to be fired.  Anyone who doesn't expect it is crazy.

[Mikefrompluto]

Even if you don't agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is gay? It has literally no affect over your life. The "well I have to explain it to my kids" excuse is stupid. I know no one here has said it but I hear it often and I'm tired of hearing it.

In the words of Louis CK: "Two men or women shouldn't get married because you don't want to talk to your ugly kid for five minutes?"

As for the Phil Robertson thing. Freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility. As stated above, if I blow up on a customer, I have to deal with the blow back. That's on me. It's the same with A&E.

Couldn't agree more.  It does work both ways though.  Even if you agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is against someone being gay?  It has literally no effect over your life.  If I go off on my boss or go off about something that is detrimental to my company, I expect to be fired.  Anyone who doesn't expect it is crazy.

That's the thing though. People being anti-gay does affect other people's lives. Look at gay marriage. Still illegal in a large part of the US. I highly doubt pro-gay people are the reason gay people can't get married.

[NyghtHawk]

I think Phil Robertson needs to take advice from Mackelmore:

"America the brave still fears what we don't know
And God loves all his children, is somehow forgotten
But we paraphrase a book written thirty-five-hundred years ago" -Same Love, by Mackelmore and Lewis

Except he never said we shouldn't love all people and he wasn't paraphrasing.

Was it necessary to word it the way he did or even answer the qurstion in that manner? No, but that doesn't change that he was speaking his beliefs and the belief of his faith, which people should have expected...

The point here isn't an argument but if you ask a devout Christian what is right and wrong, homosexuality will show up as one thing on the list. You can agree or disagree on the topic and how you feel about the Christian faith but that's not the point.

If A&E wants to suspend him and it's within their contractual right they can, but in doing so they run the risk of losing the show and pissing off probably most of the people who watch it.

[Tonygrabowski4]

Even if you don't agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is gay? It has literally no affect over your life. The "well I have to explain it to my kids" excuse is stupid. I know no one here has said it but I hear it often and I'm tired of hearing it.

In the words of Louis CK: "Two men or women shouldn't get married because you don't want to talk to your ugly kid for five minutes?"

As for the Phil Robertson thing. Freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility. As stated above, if I blow up on a customer, I have to deal with the blow back. That's on me. It's the same with A&E.

Couldn't agree more.  It does work both ways though.  Even if you agree with homosexuality, why does it matter if someone is against someone being gay?  It has literally no effect over your life.  If I go off on my boss or go off about something that is detrimental to my company, I expect to be fired.  Anyone who doesn't expect it is crazy.

That's the thing though. People being anti-gay does affect other people's lives. Look at gay marriage. Still illegal in a large part of the US. I highly doubt pro-gay people are the reason gay people can't get married.

I wasn't talking about the anti-gay party.  I was talking about those who, like myself, don't agree with homosexuality, but who also don't really care if someone is gay.  IMO homosexuality is wrong, but if you want to practice it, more power to you.  I don't really care how you live your life.  If I offended anybody with my comments, I am sorry.

[Mikefrompluto]

I wasn't talking about the anti-gay party.  I was talking about those who, like myself, don't agree with homosexuality, but who also don't really care if someone is gay.  IMO homosexuality is wrong, but if you want to practice it, more power to you.  I don't really care how you live your life.  If I offended anybody with my comments, I am sorry.

I see. Well I, for one, don't care what someone thinks or believes unless they're shoving it down someone's throat. Live and let live, yo.

[Tonygrabowski4]

I wasn't talking about the anti-gay party.  I was talking about those who, like myself, don't agree with homosexuality, but who also don't really care if someone is gay.  IMO homosexuality is wrong, but if you want to practice it, more power to you.  I don't really care how you live your life.  If I offended anybody with my comments, I am sorry.

I see. Well I, for one, don't care what someone thinks or believes unless they're shoving it down someone's throat. Live and let live, yo.

Yep.  Well said.  Live and let live.

[Moneekahh]

Is being straight something you "practice" as well?