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[Keyeto]

Doesn't the accused have to show up to have a trial?

He doesn't have to be here for it to start. I'm going to post some links on his profiles. It would be nice to have a link to a trial, in addition to this one. A trial link would be an easy way for people to read up on all the accusations if they don't feel like reading through this 5 page topic to get all the info. If he doesn't show up for his trial, so be it.

I'm not saying a trial has to start, but it would be a nice way to organize everything. 

[Vampyvyrus]

The trial section is a great way for new traders to figure out who is not only untrustworthy but also why. I agree with Keyeto here, he most likely will not post but it'll spread more awareness on the situation.

[Rasser]

My trusted traders
{SFGIANTSFAN4LIFE} Amazing Trader. Even sent a couple freebies

This is not true, As Goblin Wardriver is SFFAN and a confirmed thief. All be warned.

Likewise,

I would trade with these people again. I have a lot more but these are all I can remember
2012
{ELITEHALO360} x2
{Sagemaster} x3
{Gojudragon}

2013
{Goblinwardriver} - He Sent first on a $75 trade

Is also not true. This was just a scheme.

[SPiNx975]

do you guys not have the ability to ban IP addresses? I know there are even ways around that... but at least it would slow him down... this is also interstate theft... I'm not sure that anything legally can be done here but it sure seems like there may be

I'd love to IP ban the guy, but I don't think it's the right move here. He already has two accounts that I know of with different IP addresses. Even more if we can confirm these rumors about him.

If we ban him, he'll come back with a new name, and try and rip people off. If we make the community aware of who he is, he'll likely be discouraged. If everything checks out, and the accusations are correct (about him being MetalMadMan/thatoneguyjoey/whothehellknows), I'll post a link to this post on all his profiles, so people are aware.

Instead of just getting ban happy, I want people to know that us mods are watching, and we will protect our community.

Problem with your ideal is that you watching isn't preventing him from stealing cards... there is a guy in this post that just sent cards to the dude so what does he care if you're watching because you're really not doing anything about it... he makes a new account every so often to jack a few cards and then goes sleeper until he does it again... this guy has scammed multiple people and your "watching" isn't doing a damn thing proactive to stop it

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

The Mods are doing the best they can, don't be a jerk.

[Keyeto]

do you guys not have the ability to ban IP addresses? I know there are even ways around that... but at least it would slow him down... this is also interstate theft... I'm not sure that anything legally can be done here but it sure seems like there may be

I'd love to IP ban the guy, but I don't think it's the right move here. He already has two accounts that I know of with different IP addresses. Even more if we can confirm these rumors about him.

If we ban him, he'll come back with a new name, and try and rip people off. If we make the community aware of who he is, he'll likely be discouraged. If everything checks out, and the accusations are correct (about him being MetalMadMan/thatoneguyjoey/whothehellknows), I'll post a link to this post on all his profiles, so people are aware.

Instead of just getting ban happy, I want people to know that us mods are watching, and we will protect our community.

Problem with your ideal is that you watching isn't preventing him from stealing cards... there is a guy in this post that just sent cards to the dude so what does he care if you're watching because you're really not doing anything about it... he makes a new account every so often to jack a few cards and then goes sleeper until he does it again... this guy has scammed multiple people and your "watching" isn't doing a damn thing proactive to stop it

And what do you suggest? Making rude remarks to moderators? If you have a better idea, I'm all ears. Banning isn't going to stop him, but maybe having a Mod team that's aware of what's going on will help deter thieves. No, we can't eliminate the problem completely, but we're doing our best.

If you have a better idea, like I said, run it by me. But if you aren't going to help, then stand down. Your negativity is doing far less than my lack of "proactivity".

[SPiNx975]

lmfao I love the bandwagon of "you're being rude to mods" that just came of this when your initial post smacking down IP banning him was just as demeaning and rude... you know what? the community is what you make it... you reap what you sow... so by all means let him keep logging from the same IP

[Vampyvyrus]

Everyone here knows that they are entering into a trade at their own risk. Mods can't be expected to DO anything about it other then watch and try to point out a thief when they see it. A few people have been scammed yes but please tell me, in what way could a mod have prevented it? Accusing someone they aren't fully sure is a thief? No, that would violate imtg law. They are doing the best they can with what they've got, if you don't like it feel free to not trade though the mail. One more thing, what do you possibly hope to gain by .excrement. talking our mods whom I think are doing an excellent job?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

lmfao I love the bandwagon of "you're being rude to mods" that just came of this when your initial post smacking down IP banning him was just as demeaning and rude... you know what? the community is what you make it... you reap what you sow... so by all means let him keep logging from the same IP

If you IP ban him, he will find a new IP and we lose him. He will make a new account on a different IP (from a local library, for example) were he can scam more people and we won't know that it is him. On the other hand if we just watch his IP we can track him and notify people he is trying to set up trades with who is really is.

[Keyeto]

lmfao I love the bandwagon of "you're being rude to mods" that just came of this when your initial post smacking down IP banning him was just as demeaning and rude... you know what? the community is what you make it... you reap what you sow... so by all means let him keep logging from the same IP

You see, here's the part you're missing. He's changing his IP. You want me to IP ban him? He's gonna come back for the fifth time, with his fifth IP. Banning is a bad way to get rid of thieves. Hell, it gives them an amazing reason to come back with a new IP and a new username. Moreso, it forces them to hide, and be more careful about their ways of stealing.

The point is, we've banned people, and they've just come back. After making it very clear that we know who they are, users don't tend to go about "business as usual". Once they know we can find them, they generally stop.

But hey, I can play ball. Maybe I will ban him, and take your idea. But when he comes back with a new user ID and a new IP address that we don't see, and steals from people, its not on me, its on your great "proactive" ways. Sound fair?

[SPiNx975]

you're absolutely right and I do my due diligence before I trade with anyone... but people have lost cards to this guy and still no address is posted... the actual name of this guy isn't posted... everything about this guy (with exception to his IP) is completely unknown and in the mods possession... I don't feel that I was "excrement talking" the mods I'm fired up about the situation... these cards are expensive it's not like you can just go out and replace everything you had for change nor are the mods doing anything to remedy this... they aren't replacing the cards and still this guy continues to make accounts and you don't want to IP ban him??? ok then like I said... let him keep making accounts and scamming people... IP banning is the ONLY real solution... and if he's using an idevice to do it I'm sure there are steps that can be taken to obtain his serial number (just like the lost idevice app) and potentially turn him in for theft...

[gtfotis]

I only trade with people that have had recent trades go well with current users, if not then I ask for them to send first.. It's not hard to not get scammed. Also, if it's too good to be true, it probably is.

[Rasser]

My trusted traders
{SFGIANTSFAN4LIFE} Amazing Trader. Even sent a couple freebies

This is not true, As Goblin Wardriver is SFFAN and a confirmed thief. All be warned.

Likewise,

I would trade with these people again. I have a lot more but these are all I can remember
2012
{ELITEHALO360} x2
{Sagemaster} x3
{Gojudragon}

2013
{Goblinwardriver} - He Sent first on a $75 trade

Is also not true. This was just a scheme.

This should not have been taken out of the trusted forum unless his post are. Both of these users were confirmed by another moderator to be the same person.

I added warnings to his posts. Trusted trader topic is just for positive trades. I've pm'ed the members on his list to see if they can confirm or not that they have traded with SF

[Mikefrompluto]

and still no address is posted... the actual name of this guy isn't posted... everything about this guy (with exception to his IP) is completely unknown and in the mods possession...

As we've explained time and time again. We. Do. Not. Allow. People. To. Post. Other. People's. Addresses. Even thieves. However, as you can clearly read in the stickied topic above, I have a list of known scammer's addresses and my inbox is always open. Thanks to someone (who will remain nameless,) SFGiantsfan's address is on my list.

Just stop with this insanity, man.

[Vampyvyrus]

Being fired up about the situation doesn't change the fact that you indeed talked badly about our mods....like I said we are all aware that we are trading at our own risk. If you can't handle that...don't trade...no one is forcing you. I do not think an ip ban would accomplish anything as he's come back multiple times with a new IP address, which has been stated earlier. I do agree that his mailing address should be made known so we know where to not send cards. His name could be left off, but if he's shady enough he could have people mail to his friends house.