Touchy Subject #7: Obama NSFW

Started by Taysby, July 23, 2013, 10:52:53 PM

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The Pyromancer


Slenderbro

People need to understand how little presidents actually do.

If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.

The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.

Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.

It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party 

Raiderrob

Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:13:54 AM
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.

If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.

The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.

Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.

It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Explain executive orders?

Slenderbro

Quote from: Raiderrob on July 24, 2013, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:13:54 AM
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.

If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.

The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.

Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.

It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Explain executive orders?
Few and very far between, still goes through a council before he can do anything about it.

Executive order = presidential opinion that got approved by senate

imthelolrus


Raiderrob

Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: Raiderrob on July 24, 2013, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:13:54 AM
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.

If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.

The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.

Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.

It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Explain executive orders?
Few and very far between, still goes through a council before he can do anything about it.

Executive order = presidential opinion that got approved by senate
Not approved by congress, but can be removed with legislation which the president can veto. Yes that can be stopped with a 2/3rds majority, but how hard is to get 2/3rds of the clowns in congress to work together on anything? During obamas presidency he has passed 159 executive orders. To me that seems like alot of executive branch law making.

Vyse

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"

Get rid of the welfare checks!  It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing.  This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.

Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class.  He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.

Anybody watch shark tank?  Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to.  If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money.  Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.

I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time.  Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant

Raiderrob

Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"

Get rid of the welfare checks!  It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing.  This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.

Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class.  He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.

Anybody watch shark tank?  Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to.  If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money.  Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.

I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time.  Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant
I grew up as a kid on welfare so I appreciate that we had something there to provide food and shelter. Unfortunately there are folks out there that arent using the system as a leg up. Some of them are professionals at working the system to there advantage. I think the whole system needs reformed like most of the programs that are government ran. So many things are broken its hard to have a positive outlook about our future.

Piotr

Quote from: Moneekahh on July 23, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

Stopped reading at 'provided $ for this or that'. He didnt provide any $, the taxpayers did. The government has to extort money to 'provide' it. Obama is one of the bunch who believe that goal justifies the means. This is directly breaking the iMtG law.

Piotr

Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"

Get rid of the welfare checks!  It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing.  This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.

Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class.  He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.

Anybody watch shark tank?  Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to.  If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money.  Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.

I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time.  Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant

If your government friends didnt extort the money from people who created the wealth, their life would be completely different. The little help should be provided voluntarily, not at gunpoint. Goal does not justify the means.

Needing some thing does not give you right to own that thing. What gives you right to own things is creating them. Extorting a thing from the creator of the thing to satisfy your need is called stealing. Do not steal.

Dudecore

A certain part of every population will not work. Some are able but will not work. Some are unable and will not work. And some still are victims of some serious hard luck.

The three true economic outcomes are as follows:
A)Earn Money
B)Be given money
C)Steal

Given those outcomes, it is optimal for us to help our fellow man, and keep as many people away from C as possible. That involves a series of charitable donations and community action, not the confiscation of money at gun point.

Flicker I believe is entirely off base by suggesting strip the money away from people on welfare because "they didn't earn it". Removing B pushes folks toward A and C.

The welfare system in this country is broken, because the government runs it. They have not a single efficiently run system of anything, because it doesn't have to be. When you're playing with other people's money - inefficiency is your best friend.

I don't see a problem with helping the poor, the people who don't work, the physically disabled. Their success and failure in some ways is my own, they're members of my community whom deserve the respect and love I was afforded, and sometimes deterministic factors are cruel to some. I'm very lucky to be born who I am, where I was, to the parents I had. I had no choice in the matter, and the amount of places and time periods I could be born are immense. You just don't confiscate people's money to do so, but it seems a nessicary thing.

And I'm tapping out again, .politics. stink. Anarchy for all.

Vyse

Quote from: Piotr on July 24, 2013, 05:03:04 AM
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"

Get rid of the welfare checks!  It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing.  This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.

Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class.  He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.

Anybody watch shark tank?  Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to.  If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money.  Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.

I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time.  Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant

If your government friends didnt extort the money from people who created the wealth, their life would be completely different. The little help should be provided voluntarily, not at gunpoint. Goal does not justify the means.

Needing some thing does not give you right to own that thing. What gives you right to own things is creating them. Extorting a thing from the creator of the thing to satisfy your need is called stealing. Do not steal.
I don't even know what to say to this. I think I'll hop out of the ring too before I go just as daft.

ELLERfeller

I just like saying his name. Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama

Moneekahh

Quote from: Piotr on July 24, 2013, 04:57:55 AM
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 23, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

Stopped reading at 'provided $ for this or that'. He didnt provide any $, the taxpayers did. The government has to extort money to 'provide' it. Obama is one of the bunch who believe that goal justifies the means. This is directly breaking the iMtG law.

I posted this website in response to "what good has Obama done?". I may or may not be an Obama fan, I may not care at all! I'm not actually going to involved in this discussion. :)

Mlerner12

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity link=topic=25929.msg226698#msg226698 date /quote
Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't

All I noticed. We have enough from Bush's day. And isn't it GOOD we aren't making weapons against the rest of the world? The UN? That is illogical. Also, obama's paid off more debt than most of his REPUBLICAN predecessors, who created the debt. So he's done more than most other presidents.