Sorin Overrated?

[Spikepit]

The problem about sorin's first and second abilities are not as good as people believe. Sorin's token spam first ability is not even as good as garruk, and you can't even use his second twice until you use the +1 first. The abilities are no better than the other planeswalkers we have. Liliana makes ppl discard and is a removal, Garruk tokenspams and is a removal, elspeth gains life and spams more tokens, Gideon is walking death on a stick and is a removal.
All these planeswalkers do a better job than sorin

First, which Garruk, {Garruk Wildspeaker} or the other one? The first Garruk makes vanilla 2/2s with no relevant type at a loss, not a gain. Sorin "tokenspams" for profit. They are a relevant creature type and they can gain you life.
I think you underestimate the value of an emblem, especially one that isn't an Ultimate. 2WB: for the rest of the game +1/+0 is respectable, particularly in an upcoming WB weenie/sac archetype I sense coming (✨Yes Spikepit, I'm calling it✨).
Sorin can win games singlehandedly. Not something all PWs can do. Plus he's has removal too! 
Playability in Standard is not the only thing that defines a card's value. Sorin is oozing flavor, the second enemy-colored PW ever in a pair that hasnt had much love lately. Is he worth $50, I don't think so, but I will trade you Sorin for Garruk any day. ðŸ'°

Hear hear.

✨: oh yeah, I can see it comin on the horizon too! Infact I already dubbed it 'Sac Hum' in another thread in a lame attempted to be a trend setter ... it wont take off ðŸ˜"

[BlackJester]

✨: oh yeah, I can see it comin on the horizon too! Infact I already dubbed it 'Sac Hum' in another thread in a lame attempted to be a trend setter ... it wont take off ðŸ˜"

Ummm, be careful using the words "Sac" and "Hum" together... I'll let you think about that one.  😉

[Spikepit]

✨: oh yeah, I can see it comin on the horizon too! Infact I already dubbed it 'Sac Hum' in another thread in a lame attempted to be a trend setter ... it wont take off ðŸ˜"

Ummm, be careful using the words "Sac" and "Hum" together... I'll let you think about that one.  😉

😖 now I can't use that again. 😷

[Appleguru56]

The problem about sorin's first and second abilities are not as good as people believe. Sorin's token spam first ability is not even as good as garruk, and you can't even use his second twice until you use the +1 first. The abilities are no better than the other planeswalkers we have. Liliana makes ppl discard and is a removal, Garruk tokenspams and is a removal, elspeth gains life and spams more tokens, Gideon is walking death on a stick and is a removal.
All these planeswalkers do a better job than sorin

First, which Garruk, {Garruk Wildspeaker} or the other one? The first Garruk makes vanilla 2/2s with no relevant type at a loss, not a gain. Sorin "tokenspams" for profit. They are a relevant creature type and they can gain you life.
I think you underestimate the value of an emblem, especially one that isn't an Ultimate. 2WB: for the rest of the game +1/+0 is respectable, particularly in an upcoming WB weenie/sac archetype I sense coming (Yes Spikepit, I'm calling it).
Sorin can win games singlehandedly. Not something all PWs can do. Plus he's has removal too! 
Playability in Standard is not the only thing that defines a card's value. Sorin is oozing flavor, the second enemy-colored PW ever in a pair that hasnt had much love lately. Is he worth $50, I don't think so, but I will trade you Sorin for Garruk any day. ðŸ'°

When comared to garruk, any standard garruk for that matter, sorin cannot compete. Primal hunter makes 3/3 as a +1 which builds to his ultimate 6/6 bomb which would easily win games. Relentless is a threshold against anything that is a 2/2, and can produce wolf tokens and can win games singlehandedly on ether flip side.

Sorin makes 1/1 lifelink which has no evasion or even a significant power or body to trade with.
We know +1/0 as to be what? Battlecry! And what colors are battlecry? white and RED! Boros decks do not exist in the standard environment. And giving up 2/3 of sorin's original loyalty to give creatures +1/0 for four mana (making him vulnerable to geistflame and gut shot) is terrible for the cost.
Sorin has no removal except for his bomb, which takes 4 more turns before you can activate. Assuming you do not use his -2 at all (whic completely undermines his value)
Sorin, lord of innastrad is wayy overrated and is definitely not as good as what people believe it to be. (not saying it is bad or unplayable, just saying that it should not be looked up to as the next Jace TMS.)

[cltrn81]

What did I do with that gavel?

[Spikepit]

The problem about sorin's first and second abilities are not as good as people believe. Sorin's token spam first ability is not even as good as garruk, and you can't even use his second twice until you use the +1 first. The abilities are no better than the other planeswalkers we have. Liliana makes ppl discard and is a removal, Garruk tokenspams and is a removal, elspeth gains life and spams more tokens, Gideon is walking death on a stick and is a removal.
All these planeswalkers do a better job than sorin

First, which Garruk, {Garruk Wildspeaker} or the other one? The first Garruk makes vanilla 2/2s with no relevant type at a loss, not a gain. Sorin "tokenspams" for profit. They are a relevant creature type and they can gain you life.
I think you underestimate the value of an emblem, especially one that isn't an Ultimate. 2WB: for the rest of the game +1/+0 is respectable, particularly in an upcoming WB weenie/sac archetype I sense coming (Yes Spikepit, I'm calling it).
Sorin can win games singlehandedly. Not something all PWs can do. Plus he's has removal too! 
Playability in Standard is not the only thing that defines a card's value. Sorin is oozing flavor, the second enemy-colored PW ever in a pair that hasnt had much love lately. Is he worth $50, I don't think so, but I will trade you Sorin for Garruk any day. ðŸ'°

When comared to garruk, any standard garruk for that matter, sorin cannot compete. Primal hunter makes 3/3 as a +1 which builds to his ultimate 6/6 bomb which would easily win games. Relentless is a threshold against anything that is a 2/2, and can produce wolf tokens and can win games singlehandedly on ether flip side.

Sorin makes 1/1 lifelink which has no evasion or even a significant power or body to trade with.
We know +1/0 as to be what? Battlecry! And what colors are battlecry? white and RED! Boros decks do not exist in the standard environment. And giving up 2/3 of sorin's original loyalty to give creatures +1/0 for four mana (making him vulnerable to geistflame and gut shot) is terrible for the cost.
Sorin has no removal except for his bomb, which takes 4 more turns before you can activate. Assuming you do not use his -2 at all (whic completely undermines his value)
Sorin, lord of innastrad is wayy overrated and is definitely not as good as what people believe it to be. (not saying it is bad or unplayable, just saying that it should not be looked up to as the next Jace TMS.)

I actually haven't read anywhere that has said that.

[BlackJester]

Again, why should Standard define the card price?
Yes other PW can win games alone, I just said "not all" of them.
Sorin is splashable in either color, while {Garruk Primalhunter} is very cost prohibitive. And don't get me wrong, I like all iterations of Garruk.
His "battle cry" like emblem works on blockers as well, and so what if red has the ability too?  Giving black access to a more agro ability should be a good thing, not a drawback.
It only takes two "more" turns to use his ultimate.
Like I said, I don't think he's worth as much as he's going for, but as the only PW in the set, people are putting him up pretty high until the community starts using him. And I agree, he's not the next broken {Jace, The Mind Sculptor}.

[Greg54js]

While we are mentioning garruk... In my honest opinion I think relentless is the stupidest and most useless version of garruk.. Especially if you go to flip him. He is so vulnerable after activating the ability which flips him. It defeats the purpose unless you have enough blockers or counters.. Just my thought

[JakeyWakey]

✨: oh yeah, I can see it comin on the horizon too! Infact I already dubbed it 'Sac Hum' in another thread in a lame attempted to be a trend setter ... it wont take off ðŸ˜"

Ummm, be careful using the words "Sac" and "Hum" together... I'll let you think about that one.  😉

Awesome.

[Appleguru56]

While we are mentioning garruk... In my honest opinion I think relentless is the stupidest and most useless version of garruk.. Especially if you go to flip him. He is so vulnerable after activating the ability which flips him. It defeats the purpose unless you have enough blockers or counters.. Just my thought

What you can do is geistflame or gut shot relentless yourself and then flip to activate +1, since PW abilities claims priority, the opponent cant shock it

[Greg54js]

Wow that's a great idea... I didn't even think of giestflaming him..

[Spikepit]

{Garruk Relentless}
{Giestflame}

[BlackJester]

{Garruk Relentless}