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Title: Let's be honest.
Post by: Leviathan on June 29, 2012, 01:15:26 AM
Let's face it. {Battle of Wits} is gonna dominate standard,
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:17:47 AM
I'm really interested to see what a deck around this card will look like. Especially considering how low your odds of drawing it would be.
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Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 29, 2012, 01:18:46 AM
Um ya! I can't think of a million ways for this to work. Diabolical tutor and play witts next turn, insta win. It would be fun trying to kill someone before it happens though.
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:20:37 AM
But 8 cards in 200+. Your odds are less than 1/25
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Post by: Leviathan on June 29, 2012, 01:21:47 AM
Itd be miserable to pull this in a sealed event.
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:23:06 AM
Lol. At that point you just put it away and never think about it again.
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Post by: Kuberr on June 29, 2012, 01:23:55 AM
Quote from: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:20:37 AM
But 8 cards in 200+. Your odds are less than 1/25

8? Five color put all the tutors in it.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Coffee Vampire on June 29, 2012, 01:24:02 AM
Just make a deck of A LOT of cards that search for enchantments I guess. I will have to do a database search...

The deck would probably have to be around 228 cards or so to ensure that you have enough to win. Also, with mill getting all sorts of treats in m13 I doubt this kind of deck could be competitive. But who knows?
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Post by: Millionlittlee on June 29, 2012, 01:25:41 AM
Man I love shuffling 228 cards with no help
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Post by: Leviathan on June 29, 2012, 01:25:51 AM
My initial statement was supposed to be sarcasm lol though I love the card.
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:26:50 AM
You could always run 4x diabolic tutor and 4x battle of wits with 110 islands and 110 swamps and just mulligan XD
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Post by: Kuberr on June 29, 2012, 01:28:41 AM
Quote from: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:26:50 AM
You could always run 4x diabolic tutor and 4x battle of wits with 110 islands and 110 swamps and just mulligan XD

{Diabolic Tutor}, {Enlightened Tutor}, {Demonic Tutor}, {Vampiric Tutor}. {Idylic Tutor} Having them all could help.

Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:32:47 AM
That actually sounds like it has a chance in casual play. I really wanna be that one guy who walks up with my 230 card deck and is like. Sup
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Leviathan on June 29, 2012, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:32:47 AM
That actually sounds like it has a chance in casual play. I really wanna be that one guy who walks up with my 230 card deck and is like. Sup

The stared you'd get would be P-R-I-C-E-L-E-S-S
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:35:37 AM
You would forever be known as the worst deckbuilderr ever.
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Post by: Willthomjr on June 29, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: Leviathan on June 29, 2012, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:32:47 AM
That actually sounds like it has a chance in casual play. I really wanna be that one guy who walks up with my 230 card deck and is like. Sup

The stared you'd get would be P-R-I-C-E-L-E-S-S

Lmfao, hey wanna play?

Pull out your 4 deck boxes and start shuffling them all together. You got 24 piles of 10. 😂
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:39:22 AM
Lol. Ill just go ahaed and use my shoebox as a deckbox
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Post by: Kuberr on June 29, 2012, 01:39:26 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on June 29, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: Leviathan on June 29, 2012, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:32:47 AM
That actually sounds like it has a chance in casual play. I really wanna be that one guy who walks up with my 230 card deck and is like. Sup

The stared you'd get would be P-R-I-C-E-L-E-S-S

Lmfao, hey wanna play?

Pull out your 4 deck boxes and start shuffling them all together. You got 24 piles of 10. 😂

You shuffle ten cards at a time?
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 29, 2012, 01:41:09 AM
In casual, cards like {wheel of sun and moon} would definately be useful for this. Self mill til you get it and then play it.
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 01:43:49 AM
Just posted a rough idea in casual. Title: battle of wits
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Post by: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 07:01:57 AM
It's just a trash card....you have to build the dumbest, most unfun deck ever to make it work.
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Post by: Thorn on June 29, 2012, 07:13:40 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 07:01:57 AM
It's just a trash card....you have to build the dumbest, most unfun deck ever to make it work.
DREAM SQUASHER! DREAM SQUASHER! DREAM SQUASHER!

jk
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 29, 2012, 07:40:44 AM
They should have made it a mythic and changed it.

Duel of Witts
3{U}{U}{U}

Enchant player
At the beginning of enchanted players upkeep, if that player has 200 or more cards in there deck, they win the game. If not, that. Player puts the top 10 cards of their library into his or her graveyard.

It's a win con for that player but also a constant mill.
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Post by: cltrn81 on June 29, 2012, 08:42:18 AM
I am all for unique win-cons but this card just stinks. 
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Post by: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 29, 2012, 08:42:18 AM
I am all for unique win-cons but this card just stinks.

The card is enraging. Who has 200 cards in their library?!? It's just such an atrocious Wincon that I'll nominate it for one of the worst cards to ever be printed. No hyperbole.

You need a minimum of 300 cards probably, every such tutor, you need to avoid being milled any, have a strong enough deck to win otherwise, and stall the crap out of them and hope to top {battle of wits}, which costs 5cmc in its own right. Grrrrr hate, hate, hate
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 10:44:36 AM
Haters jkjk
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Post by: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
Imagine getting a booster pack, a box, maybe a fat pack...opening up a booster and seeing {Battle of Wits} as your rare. It's insultingly bad, and zero thought and effort put into including this card.

Standard has 2 tutors? Legacy has a million, and already had {battle of wits}!
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Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 10:52:45 AM
If i end up pulling it. Im making that deck i posted.
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Post by: Tetsomori on June 29, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
Im building the deck.. Its gonna be {u} {b} {w} and ita gonna contain like 5 different decklists plus all the tutors :)
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
{Battle of Wits} forces you to think outside the deckbox.  Yeah, it'll make the rounds in draft and useless in any limited enviro, but I just read a funny idea for a 60-card BoW deck.  Checkit!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/60-card-battle-of-wits-1/

tl;dr  Activate {Spawnsire of Ulamog}'s ability to put 200 Eldrazi into play, then {Hallowed Burial} or {Terminus}.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 29, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
{Battle of Wits} forces you to think outside the deckbox.  Yeah, it'll make the rounds in draft and useless in any limited enviro, but I just read a funny idea for a 60-card BoW deck.  Checkit!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/60-card-battle-of-wits-1/

tl;dr  Activate {Spawnsire of Ulamog}'s ability to put 200 Eldrazi into play, then {Hallowed Burial} or {Terminus}.  ;)
Haha I am so going to build this deck!!!! I have so many eldrazi!
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Quackmaster5 on June 29, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Any way to make any card outside of the game eldrazi creature type? Make it alot easier on the wallet.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
Can't you just win the game with 200 Eldrazi and not have to play a garbage card?
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
Can't you just win the game with 200 Eldrazi and not have to play a garbage card?
Sure, but where's the novelty in that?   ::)
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Cindjor on June 29, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
Can't you just win the game with 200 Eldrazi and not have to play a garbage card?

But then it's not a battle. Of wits!!! BATTLE OF WITS!!!!
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on June 29, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
Any way to make any card outside of the game eldrazi creature type? Make it alot easier on the wallet.
Use Changelings and common Eldrazi (do a search).
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 02:10:50 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6874536089_532509b3ab.jpg)

Battle of Wits

268 cards, 0 sideboard


4 {Bayou}
24 {Swamp}
4 {Overgrown Tomb}
24 {Island}
24 {Forest}
24 {Plains}
4 {Watery Grave}
4 {Underground Sea}
4 {Hallowed Fountain}
4 {Tundra}
4 {Breeding Pool}
4 {Tropical Island}
4 {Godless Shrine}
4 {Scrubland}
4 {Temple Garden}
4 {Savannah}

144 lands


4 {Birds of Paradise}
4 {Platinum Angel}
4 {Llanowar Elves}
4 {Avenger of Zendikar}
4 {Kazandu Tuskcaller}
4 {Bringer of the Green Dawn}
4 {Platinum Emperion}

28 creatures


4 {Wheel of Sun and Moon}
4 {Teferi's Puzzle Box}
4 {Ajani's Mantra}
4 {Idyllic Tutor}
4 {Cruel Tutor}
4 {Army of the Damned}
4 {Awakening Zone}
4 {Beast Attack}
4 {Phyrexian Unlife}
4 {Elixir of Immortality}
4 {Archmage Ascension}
4 {Grim Tutor}
4 {Demonic Tutor}
4 {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}
4 {Rhystic Tutor}
4 {Battle of Wits}
4 {Rites of Flourishing}
4 {Garruk Wildspeaker}
4 {Ajani Goldmane}
4 {Vampiric Tutor}
4 {Enlightened Tutor}
4 {Howling Mine}
4 {Diabolic Tutor}
4 {Enduring Ideal}

92 other spells


Sideboard
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
I'd probably run {Teferi's Puzzle Box}, {Mindmoil} and heavy card draw and disruption.  This bad boy looks pretty pricy.  $$$
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 02:33:13 PM
Running 4 battle of wits 4 diabolic tutors and tons of islands and swamps works well. You can just mulligan down to one of the two. And its cheap!
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
Many decks could run you over before you could cast it on T5 though.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
I'd probably run {Teferi's Puzzle Box}, {Mindmoil} and heavy card draw and disruption.  This bad boy looks pretty pricy.  $$$
$31446.38
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
I'd probably run {Teferi's Puzzle Box}, {Mindmoil} and heavy card draw and disruption.  This bad boy looks pretty pricy.  $$$
$31446.38
LOL  For the price of a car, you'd BETTER win with that beast!  XD
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
I'd probably run {Teferi's Puzzle Box}, {Mindmoil} and heavy card draw and disruption.  This bad boy looks pretty pricy.  $$$
$31446.38
LOL  For the price of a car, you'd BETTER win with that beast!  XD
Take out the lands and your good.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
Pretty consistent turn 3-5 win.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
Pretty consistent turn 3-5 win.
Consistent vs what?  What are you measuring this against?  Are you winning with BoW?  What's your shoe size?  What's average wind speed velocity of a sparrow? How do you answer a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
Pretty consistent turn 3-5 win.
Q: Consistent vs what?
A: Consistently getting {Battle of Wits} on the board with no counterspells or opposition.

Q:What are you measuring this against?
A:Nothing really, just drawing sample hands and playing the cards.

Q:Are you winning with BoW? 
A:Yes

Q:What's your shoe size?
A:Size 8 men's. Why does it matter?

Q:What's average wind speed velocity of a sparrow?
A:What kind of sparrow, Africa, European, or Jack?

Q:How do you answer a rhetorical question?
A:You don't
Does that answer everything?
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on June 29, 2012, 04:18:11 PM
Does that answer everything?
No, you didn't answer the sparrow question, you just asked another question.  Close enough.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
Many decks could run you over before you could cast it on T5 though.
No one else in my play group will ever dream of a turn 5 win.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: BlackJester on June 29, 2012, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Knew45 on June 29, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
No one else in my play group will ever dream of a turn 5 win.
1v1 or Multi?  A lot of aggro casual decks could kill ppl that quickly if unanswered.

Edit: sounds like your group doesn't dream big enough. 😁
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
Someone made a 4x {Lost in the Woods}, 4x {Dungrove Elder} 52x {Forest} that is Infintely more viable and better then any single {Battle of Wits} deck has ever been.
Title: Re: Let's be honest.
Post by: Leviathan on June 30, 2012, 01:43:08 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on June 29, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
Someone made a 4x {Lost in the Woods}, 4x {Dungrove Elder} 52x {Forest} that is Infintely more viable and better then any single {Battle of Wits} deck has ever been.
I'd run that deck