Question on Miracle cards.
If I reveal a {temporal mastery} in my draw phase am I able to either use a) {dual casting} on a valid creature to double it or b) {reverberate} or similar.
Also if I cast the {temporal mastery} normally for full mana would I be able to use {chandra the firebrand} to essentially get 2 extra turns?
Thinking about also using {bonfire of the damned} ?
Any help appreciated :)
U can copy it but i don't think it'd do u any good card says take an extra turn after the one you are on that can only happen once right? I think the way they worded it prevents it
Would work on {thunderous wrath} and {bonfire of the damned} ok though yeah?
Quote from: ChimpanHorse on May 04, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Would work on {thunderous wrath} and {bonfire of the damned} ok though yeah?
{thunderous wrath} yes to my knowledge but for {bonfire of the damned}, the copied version would have X=0 so it would do nothing
The copied version would not be zero. The copy spell copies the spell after it's been paid for whatever u paid for x will be copied just the same way
Quote from: Poof on May 04, 2012, 07:38:08 PM
The copied version would not be zero. The copy spell copies the spell after it's been paid for whatever u paid for x will be copied just the same way
I learned something new today :), I was always told it was the way I said
Quote from: Poof on May 04, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
U can copy it but i don't think it'd do u any good card says take an extra turn after the one you are on that can only happen once right? I think the way they worded it prevents it
If you copy {Temporal Mastery}, you will get two extra turns.
Quote from: Clearmario on May 04, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: ChimpanHorse on May 04, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Would work on {thunderous wrath} and {bonfire of the damned} ok though yeah?
{thunderous wrath} yes to my knowledge but for {bonfire of the damned}, the copied version would have X=0 so it would do nothing
CMC of X is zero. Thats what u prob was thinking
It just says take an extra turn after this one so when u do it again it just throws another turn before free your current turn. So u actually take the second extra turn before the first.
Quote from: Chaosquirrel on May 05, 2012, 05:14:14 AM
It just says take an extra turn after this one so when u do it again it just throws another turn before free your current turn. So u actually take the second extra turn before the first.
this.
though if i'm not mistaken it still ends up that the original gave you the "second"
extra turn which you are taking first.
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 05, 2012, 12:36:05 AM
Quote from: Clearmario on May 04, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: ChimpanHorse on May 04, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Would work on {thunderous wrath} and {bonfire of the damned} ok though yeah?
{thunderous wrath} yes to my knowledge but for {bonfire of the damned}, the copied version would have X=0 so it would do nothing
CMC of X is zero. Thats what u prob was thinking
CMC of X is always zero anywhere except on the stack. Copying an X spell on the stack will also copy the chosen value of X.
Quote from: ChimpanHorse on May 04, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
Question on Miracle cards.
If I reveal a {temporal mastery} in my draw phase am I able to either use a) {dual casting} on a valid creature to double it or b) {reverberate} or similar.
Also if I cast the {temporal mastery} normally for full mana would I be able to use {chandra the firebrand} to essentially get 2 extra turns?
Thinking about also using {bonfire of the damned} ?
Any help appreciated :)
I may be mistaken, but I don't think that you could enchant a creature with {Dual Casting} after drawing a miracle card and then cast the miracle card for its miracle cost. Enchantments are not instant speed so you can't respond to casting {Temporal Mastery} by enchanting a creature. If you drew the mastery and then enchanted a creature, you already missed the trigger to cast for miracle cost because you left your draw phase before casting it. {Reverberate} would work though, because it is instant speed and you don't need to enchant anything before using it. Now if the a creature was already enchanted with {Dual Casting}, then that would work too, because abilities are instant speed.
You don't have to play miracle as soon as you draw it. You have to reveal it to prove you drew it.
So you could draw for turn reveal temporal mastery, main phase plan dual casting then play temp mastery for miracle cost then copy it for another turn.
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 05, 2012, 05:53:47 PM
You don't have to play miracle as soon as you draw it. You have to reveal it to prove you drew it.
So you could draw for turn reveal temporal mastery, main phase plan dual casting then play temp mastery for miracle cost then copy it for another turn.
No.
If you want to cast a spell for its miracle cost, you MUST pay for and cast it as you draw it. If it goes into your hand (whether you revealed it or not) its too late.
http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=5161.0
Quote from: BlackJester on May 05, 2012, 06:23:46 PM
If you want to cast a spell for its miracle cost, you MUST pay for and cast it as you draw it. If it goes into your hand (whether you revealed it or not) its too late.
http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=5161.0
this looks eerily familiar
Moral of the story is...miracle cards aren't about TRUST. Just because someone knows that you drew a miracle card that turn doesn't mean you can play it after your draw phase.
If you ever play against me though feel free to reveil all the cards you want and I'll use it to my advantage! ;)
Dual casting could easily already be cast.
So, if mana fell right, you could draw mastery, negative Chandra, cast mastery, the dual cast and reverberate it, netting three extra turns? Hell, an {infernal plunge} would cover all the red needed....
Quote from: CajunJynx on May 06, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
So, if mana fell right, you could draw mastery, negative Chandra, cast mastery, the dual cast and reverberate it, netting three extra turns? Hell, an {infernal plunge} would cover all the red needed....
You can't use {Chandra, Firebrand}'s ability until your main phase, as a sorcery.
Quote from: BlackJester on May 06, 2012, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on May 06, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
So, if mana fell right, you could draw mastery, negative Chandra, cast mastery, the dual cast and reverberate it, netting three extra turns? Hell, an {infernal plunge} would cover all the red needed....
You can't use {Chandra, Firebrand}'s ability until your main phase.
There you BJ, hatin again. 😜
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