http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/
I know, I know... It's still verrrry early for M15 speculation but here it goes!
I am hearing a lot of stirring about fetchlands in M15, particularly the Onslaught fetchlands... Personally I think it would be awesome, even with people saying that standard cannot handle the combination with the shocks, it would only be for 3 months, and it may actually stir up the meta, which as everyone could probably agree is pretty humdrum right now. Then maybe the devotion decks won't rule the meta anymore...
Come on wizards, give us some fetches!
I've heard that a new version of Garruk should be available, struggling with the effects of the Chain Veil, even more so than in Innistrad...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 15, 2014, 10:27:57 AM
I've heard that a new version of Garruk should be available, struggling with the effects of the Chain Veil, even more so than in Innistrad...
Also they show a greyscale version of him that just looks cool, so I could see this, although they did just have the new {Garruk, Caller of Beasts}...
any m15 Mythic Rare Angel idea??
i saw a picture online of a polluted delta with an m15 border. hope its real!
http://m.imgur.com/5U4qXxY
How much do you think {Waste Not} will come out at? I really want to make a deck...
Quote from: particle on April 15, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
i saw a picture online of a polluted delta with an m15 border. hope its real!
http://m.imgur.com/5U4qXxY
If that's real, m15 will never be in stock for its first 3 months around here.
Quote from: Aladormax on April 15, 2014, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: particle on April 15, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
i saw a picture online of a polluted delta with an m15 border. hope its real!
http://m.imgur.com/5U4qXxY
If that's real, m15 will never be in stock for its first 3 months around here.
As a rare? I'm super suspicious of that.
Quote from: Falcon182 on April 15, 2014, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Aladormax on April 15, 2014, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: particle on April 15, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
i saw a picture online of a polluted delta with an m15 border. hope its real!
http://m.imgur.com/5U4qXxY
If that's real, m15 will never be in stock for its first 3 months around here.
As a rare? I'm super suspicious of that.
Were they not rares in zendikar?
Quote from: Falcon182 on April 15, 2014, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Aladormax on April 15, 2014, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: particle on April 15, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
i saw a picture online of a polluted delta with an m15 border. hope its real!
http://m.imgur.com/5U4qXxY
If that's real, m15 will never be in stock for its first 3 months around here.
As a rare? I'm super suspicious of that.
are you thinking mythic? Because I highly doubt that. The only two mythic lands are {Eye of Ugin} and {Maze's End}.
Quote from: Taysby on April 15, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
Yes... reprint {flooded strand} and {polluted delta} I have 4 of each, and that would make prices SKYROCKET!!! MWAH HA HA!!!
Modern would have to have them even more than the enemy fetches, and if reprinting goyf taught us anything, that increases demand more than they can pump in.
The only difference is the goof reprint was in a limited set. M15 will be easily available. If this is true the will drop some.
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Quote from: Taysby on April 15, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
Yes... reprint {flooded strand} and {polluted delta} I have 4 of each, and that would make prices SKYROCKET!!! MWAH HA HA!!!
Modern would have to have them even more than the enemy fetches, and if reprinting goyf taught us anything, that increases demand more than they can pump in.
The only difference is the goof reprint was in a limited set. M15 will be easily available. If this is true the will drop some.
Agreed.
Also, non issue since I'm pretty sure it's a fake.
I agree
Wouldnt it drop at first then slowly rise like everything else ever?
Quote from: Taysby on April 15, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
Initial spike to $140, settles at $90 while standard, then up to $150 is my guess.
I don't think any card in the history of standard has ever been that high.
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Quote from: Taysby on April 15, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
Initial spike to $140, settles at $90 while standard, then up to $150 is my guess.
I don't think any card in the history of standard has ever been that high.
Yea what were shock lands going for before reprint in standard? Like $20-$30 or more I think. Now they are almost all under $10. Next year the shock lands will be back up there. The same will happen with fetches. I could see them getting as low as $20 a pop if they are just rare and not mythics
Just following
I think it is unlikely to include fetched in a core set. I would think it is more likely in an expansion. Core sets are for introducing I new players; to really understand fetches is a whole different level of complexity. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
Quote from: Dmreiss on April 15, 2014, 06:09:44 PM
I think it is unlikely to include fetched in a core set. I would think it is more likely in an expansion. Core sets are for introducing I new players; to really understand fetches is a whole different level of complexity. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
They put bloodthirst in the core set. Most new players don't understand that there's two main phases
Which card are you talking about?
Don't know about you guys, but I'm psyched for the {Island}s.
Quote from: particle on April 15, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
i saw a picture online of a polluted delta with an m15 border. hope its real!
http://m.imgur.com/5U4qXxY
I was looking for that... That's where I started thinking it could be true..
What mechanic do you guys want to see back?
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on April 15, 2014, 08:16:51 PM
What mechanic do you guys want to see back?
A form of banding that works. ππππ
So do will they bring the fetch lands back in this set?
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on April 15, 2014, 08:16:51 PM
What mechanic do you guys want to see back?
Graft might be fun
Landfall!
IMO, fetches seem highly unlikely in M15, they aren't cards that belong in a core set. (Most new players I've encountered do not understand the value they have at the cost of 1 life.)
I'd love to see the onslaught fetches reprinted soon though, just not in a core set
Quote from: imthelolrus on April 15, 2014, 11:08:11 PM
IMO, fetches seem highly unlikely in M15, they aren't cards that belong in a core set. (Most new players I've encountered do not understand the value they have at the cost of 1 life.)
I'd love to see the onslaught fetches reprinted soon though, just not in a core set
I agree wholeheartedly, but I'll take em in any set honestly!
I want them to be reprinted so I can get a box of what ever they come in so Ivan pick up a bunch of them.
I like the idea of the the fetches being in the core set. It allows Wizards to reprint them whenever they need to, so that they can keep the prices in check and save Modern before it goes the way of legacy (at this rate, in just a few years with prices rocketing the way the are). I wont say its likely that they are in the set, but I hope they are...
I agree on madness. I always fancied the idea of Absorb too...
Don't mind me. Just posting to get updates.
Devour (to combine with athreos) ;)
I'm just posting to follow, so yeah.
Call 42-42-564 whenever you wanna knock on my door
Reprint of the Alpha Duals! Calling it now!**
**The chances of this happening are the same as the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field: 3,720:1.
Quote from: Taysby on April 18, 2014, 11:04:24 PM
Reserve list. The chance is 0.
You never know, someday they might choose to ignore it or find a way around it. Couldn't they just reprint everything with different names if they wanted to?
Stir up some counterspell decks by bringing back split second
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on April 15, 2014, 08:16:51 PM
What mechanic do you guys want to see back?
What about morph? That was an interesting mechanic
I think morph is confusing for a new guy so in a core set? Nah
Cycling!
Cycling would be sweet! Let's not print any more {scornful egotist}...
I like scornful egotist
I would really like to see suspend return. I love suspend.
Oh yes suspend was incred
mythicspoiler.com (http://mythicspoiler.com)
I'd love to see transmute back- perhaps with some different mono or multicolored options.
I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk
Garruk, the Corrupted {G}{G}{B}{B}
Planeswalker - Garruk
+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield
-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent
-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"
3
Yuh
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 05, 2014, 04:58:45 AM
I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk
Garruk, the Corrupted {G}{G}{B}{B}
Planeswalker - Garruk
+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield
-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent
-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"
3
Yuh
I forreal like this. I just think he's a bit too mana specific. It'd probably be more like {2}{B}{G}
They already made a corrupted version of Garruk: {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}. So not too likely. I like the design though. Very powerful, and cool.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 05, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
They already made a corrupted version of Garruk: {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}. So not too likely. I like the design though. Very powerful, and cool.
From what I've read on the mothership, garruk in m15 is going to be more corrupted than as Veil-Cursed
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Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 05, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
They already made a corrupted version of Garruk: {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}. So not too likely. I like the design though. Very powerful, and cool.
From what I've read on the mothership, garruk in m15 is going to be more corrupted than as Veil-Cursed
I heard this is well. As far as the lore is concerned, Garruk is continuing to be affected by the veil whatever it is Liliana got on him (that's a very rough paraphrasing)
They now have 4 of each original planeswalker. Do you think they'll keep printing them?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 05, 2014, 12:21:20 PM
They now have 4 of each original planeswalker. Do you think they'll keep printing them?
Yeah, they're all mascots at this point and every player seems to have a favorite or preference.
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Quote from: DylanW18 on May 05, 2014, 04:58:45 AM
I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk
Garruk, the Corrupted {G}{G}{B}{B}
Planeswalker - Garruk
+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield
-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent
-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"
3
Yuh
I forreal like this. I just think he's a bit too mana specific. It'd probably be more like {2}{B}{G}
He would never happen. All he does is defend himself while giving you dudes in the process, and the ultimate just wins the game. Maby at 5.
There's very few ultimate a that don't win the game. Lists of ones that do
Venser (even more powerful than this ult)
LotV
JtMS
Kiora
Tamiyo usually
Domri
Etc.
As for the +1, {Garruk Primal Hunter} was 1 more CMC and made 3/3's every turn. This Garruk makes 2/2's, at 1 less, but you must be playing GBx to play him, so he's restrictive. In addition, the tokens are GB so giving it 2 colors makes it easier to have Protection from. His minus is a nerfed {Vraska the Unseen}, and you must have a creature to sac if you wanna blow something up. His ult is like {Venser the Soujoners} but not as broken and it won't even do anything until your next turn. I'd say he's well balanced
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I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk
Garruk, the Corrupted {G}{G}{B}{B}
Planeswalker - Garruk
+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield
-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent
-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"
3
Yuh
I forreal like this. I just think he's a bit too mana specific. It'd probably be more like {2}{B}{G}
He would never happen. All he does is defend himself while giving you dudes in the process, and the ultimate just wins the game. Maby at 5.
There's very few ultimate a that don't win the game. Lists of ones that do
Venser (even more powerful than this ult)
LotV
JtMS
Kiora
Tamiyo usually
Domri
Etc.
As for the +1, {Garruk Primal Hunter} was 1 more CMC and made 3/3's every turn. This Garruk makes 2/2's, at 1 less, but you must be playing GBx to play him, so he's restrictive. In addition, the tokens are GB so giving it 2 colors makes it easier to have Protection from. His minus is a nerfed {Vraska the Unseen}, and you must have a creature to sac if you wanna blow something up. His ult is like {Venser the Soujoners} but not as broken and it won't even do anything until your next turn. I'd say he's well balanced
Lilly and domri don't win the game, but they make it easier to win.
I didn't read the sac a dude part.
If it was +1, then it'd be a thing. +2 is a little ridiculous. Ult him 4 turns later and he's still alive? That wouldn't fly.
Other than that he seems good.
You do have a point about the +2. I think I'd be comfortable if he was a 5CMC, like {1}{G}{G}{B}{B}, or {2}{G}{B}{B} or {3}{B}{G}, would that fix him?
If he was a +1 starting at 5 with that ult he would be fair. Id guess his cmc would have to include some combo with {G}{G}
Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?
I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 05, 2014, 11:13:44 PM
I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}
Great minds think alike
Id plus if I could.
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 05, 2014, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 05, 2014, 11:13:44 PM
I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}
Great minds think alike
Id plus if I could.
just for the thought.. +1 ;)
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 05, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
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Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 05, 2014, 11:13:44 PM
I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}
Great minds think alike
Id plus if I could.
just for the thought.. +1 ;)
Haha thanks. :-)
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 05, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?
{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
Quote from: Taysby on May 05, 2014, 11:27:24 PM
Why are we even discussing this? It doesn't matter! And ult on turn 7 is no good. Start him at 3.
Problem is at 3 hes open to all kinds of instant type lethal damage. Make him 4 at the lowest imo but I think 5 is the right number.
We don't need another Garruk. Too many recently. Let another green planeswalker see play in core, then leave green alone. Garruk Relentless; Garruk Primal Hunter; Vraska; Domri; M14 Garruk; Xeganos; Kiora; Ajani.
Leave green walkers alone for awhile please wizards. Maybe have a RB, WR, colorless, Esper, Dega, Grixis, American, there is a pool of walker suggestions to explore, DO SO! :P
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 06, 2014, 12:45:39 AM
We don't need another Garruk. Too many recently. Let another green planeswalker see play in core, then leave green alone. Garruk Relentless; Garruk Primal Hunter; Vraska; Domri; M14 Garruk; Xeganos; Kiora; Ajani.
Leave green walkers alone for awhile please wizards. Maybe have a RB, WR, colorless, Esper, Dega, Grixis, American, there is a pool of walker suggestions to explore, DO SO! :P
Garruk is the face of m15, we are almost positively getting a new one, especially because Liliana and Nissa have been confirmed for the set, those are our B and G walkers, so Garruk is either Golgari or colorless
I know, I just wanted to rant a little bit. So much green, so little time.
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Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 05, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?
{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
Bolas isnt from a keyset tho. When I say key set I mean Alpha-M14
Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 06, 2014, 07:54:41 AM
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Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 05, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?
{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
Bolas isnt from a keyset tho. When I say key set I mean Alpha-M14
He was in M13
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Quote from: PrEZchoICE1 on May 05, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?
{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}
Bolas isnt from a keyset tho. When I say key set I mean Alpha-M14
He was in M13
Agreed but that was a reprint not a first run.
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Why are we even discussing this? It doesn't matter! And ult on turn 7 is no good. Start him at 3.
Problem is at 3 hes open to all kinds of instant type lethal damage. Make him 4 at the lowest imo but I think 5 is the right number.
Annnnd... Your point is? We don't want him to be indestructible.
He isnt indestructible at 5. Still lots of options to rid him, {Hero's Downfall} being the easiest. While we may not want him complete OP, we also don't want him to be {Roc of Kher Ridges}. A balance can be struck. Personally Id like to see any color combo other than WUG or BG for the next run of walkers, but since the speculation was already there I thought Id play along.
When are real spoilers supposed to start for this set?
Also, looking at the plushies artwork, it appears Jace is {Jace Beleren}. Since his hood is up it makes me think that, although {Jace Architect of Thought} is still a possibility. With 3 print runs of {Jace Memory Adept} , and how the plushies don't show emo hair, I'd say he's out (thank god). Also JtMS is impossible so need discussing it
Ajani will be {Ajani Caller of the Pride}. This is because since we just got {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes}, we won't get a new Ajani, and reprinting {Ajani Goldmane} would put 3 different Ajani's together. That's pretty much a guaranteed no go
I would be shocked if Chandra isn't {Chandra Pyromaster}. She's the only viable Chandra and has been very well received, and I'm sure she will see 3 prints in consecutive core sets, thanks Wizards for a viable red Walker
Now for the more interesting ones
Nissa will be getting a re vamp. {Nissa Revane} was not well received, and considered one of the worst Walkers to date, behind Tibalt and Liliana of the Dark Realms. It's interesting though that we are getting a strongly oriented Elf Walker after a virtually no elf standard (lookin at you {Elvish Mystic}). It would feel odd to get her and Huey has no elves either, she would be out of place a bit, so I think we can expect some elves in Huey. Anyways, new Nissa!
Ahh we reached Liliana. So I looked at her plushie, and realized it was {Liliana of the Dark Realms} and {Liliana Vess}'s attire, not {Liliana of the Veil}. Does that mean we could still get LotV? Sure, just like Jace could be AoT, MA, or Beleren. But judging how they pulled her from m14, I'm starting to really feel we won't see LotV. LotDR is awful, and Wizards knows it. And personally, {Liliana Vess} would be very, VERY unhealthy for current standard. Like, Thragtusk bad. Here's why:
Mono black searches for consecutive Gray Merchants
Esper searches for Elspeths or Γtherling or Sphinx's Revelation
That's not okay people. So Vess doesn't work either.
Now, with Waste Not coming out, MaRo said Wizards will give it love, because they don't wanna make a community card only to not print things that make it suck. If we got no discard in that set, it would be a bust. So they will be printing good discard. So here's my thoughts
Either we are getting LotV, or a new Liliana, since there are only 3
Garruk. Being the face of the set, he will definitely get some love. Now, with m13's Nicol Bolas, the first gold card in core sets, we see him as the villain. It appears that it's not too far fetched to see Garruk, m15s villain, as Gold. Some speculate colorless, and that's decently possible, but Golgari just seems better fitting. He won't be mono colored though, as we already have the 5 mono colors
P.S I'm 98% sure no fetchlands ;)
Quote from: Taysby on May 08, 2014, 09:21:43 AM
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Also JtMS is impossible so need discussing it
Nissa will be getting a re vamp. {Nissa Revane} was not well received, and considered one of the worst Walkers to date
Mono black searches for consecutive Gray merchants.
That's not okay people. So Vess doesn't work either.
He's still banned in modern, so why is that?
Nissa? Bad? What planet are you from?
Why is that bad? (Coming from a mono black player). ;)
I'm curious why you think Nissa is good?
Dylan thanks for the insight, +1!
Every time I look at Garruk's art I think of Lilliana's curse still lingering. Due to the purple eyes and such.
Also where is my new sorin, I think he should be here. He could fit into the theme...somehow...
In response SHOCK
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Also JtMS is impossible so need discussing it
Nissa will be getting a re vamp. {Nissa Revane} was not well received, and considered one of the worst Walkers to date
Mono black searches for consecutive Gray merchants.
That's not okay people. So Vess doesn't work either.
He's still banned in modern, so why is that?
Nissa? Bad? What planet are you from?
Why is that bad? (Coming from a mono black player). ;)
I'm curious why you think Nissa is good?
+1. You ey a 2/3 for free
+1. Crapton of life
-8. You win.
Seems good
+1-You have to put a elf into your deck, when there are better options
+1-You gain some life, pretty much irrelevant because you usually won't have enough elves to make a difference, unless you are playing casual, and then who cares?
-7-If you dropped Nissa on turn 4 and if Nissa hasn't taken any damage, you can put more elves on the field on turn 9 (again, only relevant in casual) and attack for lethal on turn 10, assuming your opponent doesn't have any board wipes.
I'm not so sure....
I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 08, 2014, 06:44:45 PM
I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.
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Quote from: DylanW18 on May 08, 2014, 06:44:45 PM
I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.
No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p
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Quote from: DylanW18 on May 08, 2014, 06:44:45 PM
I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.
No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p
Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.
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Quote from: DylanW18 on May 08, 2014, 06:44:45 PM
I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.
No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p
Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.
All I'm saying is she's not good, simply because even her ult can be done without her, and therefore she's not viable, among other reasons
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I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.
No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p
Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.
All I'm saying is she's not good, simply because even her ult can be done without her, and therefore she's not viable, among other reasons
{collective blessings}. {elspeth, suns champion}'s ultimate can be done without her, plus some. Therefore, elspeth sucks. Right? ;)
I'm
Actually sure that you're reasoning for Elspeth sucking was not at all related to the Nissa thing. He stated that her ultimat can essentially be turn one'd. You're saying you'll make a crappier version of elspeths emblem on the same turn she'd hit the field and make soldiers
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I like Nissa in casual, I do
But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p
Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.
No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p
Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.
All I'm saying is she's not good, simply because even her ult can be done without her, and therefore she's not viable, among other reasons
{collective blessings}. {elspeth, suns champion}'s ultimate can be done without her, plus some. Therefore, elspeth sucks. Right? ;)
I'm
Actually sure that you're reasoning for Elspeth sucking was not at all related to the Nissa thing. He stated that her ultimat can essentially be turn one'd. You're saying you'll make a crappier version of elspeths emblem on the same turn she'd hit the field and make soldiers
Also, {Elspeth Sun's Champion} is more flexible than {Collective Blessing} because she can make 3 soldiers to defend herself and you and she can clear the board of big things. Nissa's only good thing is her ultimate, but putting 4 mana and 6 turns into her is wildly inefficient and stupid.
So, apparently the {Magma Spray} FNM promo has Koth on it and when someone asked MaRo about the Llowryn five being in M15 he said, "We'll have to wait and see :)"
So after reviewing the 2015 DotP promotional trailer, we see the card {Spider Spawning}. Now DotP 2015 does include Innistrad as a plane, but what about m15?
With the recursion of the Garruk vs. Lilliana themed story, Waste Not creating Zombies, and a Flashback card in DotP 2015, perhaps we are seeing an Innistrad based core set? A core set with flashback would be highly intriguing.
Most pontificate that they will not use such a complex mechanic in a core set, for new players, but I believe it's been highly received that core sets are very lacking in originality, and fun. Hence why they dipped their toes into a multi color Walker in m13, (which was highly well received by almost all fans), and now a story line based core set with another multi colored Walker, and that we are on the cusp of a new era of Magic, where Wizards is trying new things in order to see if they're better. That leaves almost everything fair game. (It also means we should be seeing more Legacy staples soon from the experimenting)
So if we see Flashback again, does that mean an m15 {Snapcaster Mage} reprint? Just some things to think about
Also I heard that 3 2/2 Wolves were auto included in the m15 pre release kits. That begs the question, what card needs 3 2/2 wolves? It wouldn't make sense to just give them to everyone if some random Rare/Mythic spit them out. No, it makes sense they would add those if someone pulled the King card of the set. Garruk.
Now, if Garruk is making 3 2/2 Wolves at a time, a + ability for that would be incredibly broken. An Ultimate for that is underwhelming. A middle minus ability perhaps? -3 or -4?
Just more of my 2 cents ;)
Another hypothesis for Garruk might be
Garruk, Bringer of Death {4}{B}{B}{G}
Planeswalker - Garruk
+2 Until end of turn, Garruk, Bringer of Death turns into a 7/7 legendary creature with Haste, Indestructibility and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, destroy target permanent"
-4 Put 3 2/2 Green wolf creature tokens onto the battlefield
-10 Destroy all nonland permanents you don't control
Loyalty: 5
The + could also be
+2 Target creature gets -3/-3 until end of turn. Creatures that die this way return to the battlefield under your control
A theory about Nissa
Nissa, Wilderness Strider {1}{G}
Planeswalker - Nissa
+1 Put a 1/1 green Elf creature token onto the battlefield
-1 Put 2 +1/+1 counters on target creature you control
-4 Draw a card and gain 1 life for each Elf creature you control
Loyalty: 1
Garruk isn't completely broken, he costs quite a bit. It's just a rough sketch
And Nissa is actually pretty good. A 2cmc making blockers and the ult draws quite a bit if she's been out, but yeah just rough sketches/ideas
I'm not exactly a pro :p but I get what you mean
When do more spoilers come out?
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 18, 2014, 03:14:49 PM
When do more spoilers come out?
Hard to say, but we probably won't get official spoilers until 2-3 weeks before it comes out
I want spoilers to start now!! So I can order my 5 Waste Nots!!!
I don't think {Waste Not} will catch on because A) it takes a lot of set up B) it only has a decent amount of discard for a few months (assuming there aren't ridiculous cards for it in Huey) C) There will be a TON of enchantment removal.
i'm ordering it for 1 in my EDH deck and the other 4 to keep as a playset
{Soul of Zendikar} looks pretty sweet!
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on May 21, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
{Soul of Zendikar} looks pretty sweet!
Personally I'm kinda unimpressed by the card itself, but it's synergy in G/B dredge is undeniable, and probably a 2-of
In regards to Soul of Zendikar ... Does this mean ....?
For those who can't take a hint I'm talking about Fetches!!
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 09:14:56 AM
In regards to Soul of Zendikar ... Does this mean ....?
For those who can't take a hint I'm talking about Fetches!!
I don't mean to be that guy I highly doubt that with Shocklands still in standard....
*Hardly in Standard*
But I know but as a player entering Modern with a 3 colour deck ... I CAN PRAY!!!
Lol!
But honestly, I don't see fetches happening for m15. Especially with shocks and {Courser of Kruphix} abusing fetchland "landfall" triggers.
That said, I'd love them to happen, it would just break my deck
I know but they wouldn't be awful in a Core Set it's only Standard for a year so it doesn't really break Standard. Plus after 2 Months you're forced to fetch basics which is not great. Especially for standard!
Idk I'm with you I HIGHLY doubt M15 fetches but I can dream!!!
I've been thinking more about Garruk and here are some other abilities I'd love him to have
+1 Put a 2/2 black and green wolf creature token into the battlefield with "{T}, Sacrifice this creature. Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn."
-2 Destroy target permanent. It's controller loses 2 life.
-7 You get an Emblem with "Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that opponent sacrifices a permanent" and "Whenever a permanent controlled by your opponent is put in the graveyard, that opponent loses 2 life."
4
^ at {3}{G}{B} or {2}{G}{B}{B}
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on May 21, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
{Soul of Zendikar} looks pretty sweet!
Almost looks like a creature version of a planeswalker
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^ at {3}{G}{B} or {2}{G}{B}{B}
WAAAAY TOO OP!!
Of course it is, I need an OP Walker in my deck ;)
Haha does it have to be GB? I like him as mono green but that's me
Well judging from the Funko figures, we are getting
Ajani
Jace
Nissa
Liliana
Chandra
Garruk
So with Garruk walking in as a sixth, much like Nicol Bolas in m13, plus the fact that the curse has come back, G/B is most likely, especially if we already have a mono G and B
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 21, 2014, 10:24:13 AM
Well judging from the Funko figures, we are getting
Ajani
Jace
Nissa
Liliana
Chandra
Garruk
So with Garruk walking in as a sixth, much like Nicol Bolas in m13, plus the fact that the curse has come back, G/B is most likely, especially if we already have a mono G and B
Is this set just PWs lol that's a lot
Can somone repost the link
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/
"Soul of ZENDIKAR"
Double rainbow?!
Almost a triple rainbow?!
New artwork for recent cards maybe?
I'd really like to see a couple more "tap a critter" effects, like {Springleaf Drum}. Inspired could use some extra love to be viable.
{Soul of Zendikar}+RG Devotion deck. {Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx} and {Xenagos, the Reveler} might make this card half way decent when {Supreme Verdict} has left Standard.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 21, 2014, 08:24:02 PM
{Soul of Zendikar}+RG Devotion deck. {Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx} and {Xenagos, the Reveler} might make this card half way decent when {Supreme Verdict} has left Standard.
Looks like all i need is that card and i would pretty much have that combo
It would be over powering to anybody
Why am I the only one who thinks that soul of Zendikar sucks ASS!!!
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
Why am I the only one who thinks that soul of Zendikar sucks ASS!!!
It is really bad, but it might shine for a week or two post rotation (of course depends on what is in M15 and Khans).
Tbh doesnt matter what else is spoiled that card is up there with worst Mythic Rare ever!!
(Awesome art though!)
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
Why am I the only one who thinks that soul of Zendikar sucks ASS!!!
I am more excited about the word Zendikar than I am that card
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Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
Why am I the only one who thinks that soul of Zendikar sucks ASS!!!
I am more excited about the word Zendikar than I am that card
Lol same!!
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Tbh doesnt matter what else is spoiled that card is up there with worst Mythic Rare ever!!
(Awesome art though!)
I think that it is mythic for limited reasons. Imagine playing against the person who drafted two of these and mana ramp....
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 21, 2014, 11:19:40 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Tbh doesnt matter what else is spoiled that card is up there with worst Mythic Rare ever!!
(Awesome art though!)
I think that it is mythic for limited reasons. Imagine playing against the person who drafted two of these and mana ramp....
now, it can easily be argued that any mythic is good for limited reasons. For example, {Hythonia the Cruel} kicks some major butt in limited, not much of anywhere else
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 21, 2014, 11:19:40 PM
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Tbh doesnt matter what else is spoiled that card is up there with worst Mythic Rare ever!!
(Awesome art though!)
I think that it is mythic for limited reasons. Imagine playing against the person who drafted two of these and mana ramp....
now, it can easily be argued that any mythic is good for limited reasons. For example, {Hythonia the Cruel} kicks some major butt in limited, not much of anywhere else
No, I am saying it is a mythic because of limited, otherwise it would be a rare. They wouldn't want someone getting two of these in sealed or draft, which is a real possibility if it were a rare.
Some cool spoilers coming out from M15, including Convoke and {Soul of Ravnica}
I saw convince but soul of ravnica? What's that?
i think spoilers look weak so far.
Very weak!!
Just so people know what's coming with m15 and convoke.
702.50. Convoke
702.50a Convoke is a static ability that functions while the spell with convoke is on the stack. "Convoke" means "For each colored mana in this spell's total cost, you may tap an untapped creature of that color you control rather than pay that mana. For each generic mana in this spell's total cost, you may tap an untapped creature you control rather than pay that mana." The convoke ability isn't an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with convoke is determined.
Example
Heartless Summoning says, in part, "Creature spells you cast cost 2 less to cast." You control Heartless Summoning and cast Siege Wurm, a spell with convoke that costs 5GG. The total cost to cast Siege Wurm is 3GG. After activating mana abilities, you pay that total cost. You may tap up to two green creatures and up to three creatures of any color to pay that cost, and the remainder is paid with mana.
702.50b Multiple instances of convoke on the same spell are redundant.
all the black and white faded spoilers!
I think quickling looks pretty sick. 2 mana, save a guy and get a 2/2 flyer for 2? Seems good.
I like siege dragon... Now to make him playable
I had a dream last night guys and in my dream I was kinda disappointed bc we got pain lands in M15
(Before you check it was just a dream not official not speculating just a dream :D lol)
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 23, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
I had a dream last night guys and in my dream I was kinda disappointed bc we got pain lands in M15
(Before you check it was just a dream not official not speculating just a dream :D lol)
I dreamed last night, I was in the boat to heaven. And by some chance, I had brought my dice along. And there I stood, passing out the whiskey, but the people, they knew right for wroooooong!
unfaded version of spoiled cards:
http://mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html
Quote from: particle on May 23, 2014, 11:24:53 AM
unfaded version of spoiled cards:
http://mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html
This is conspiracy spoilers link
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Quote from: particle on May 23, 2014, 11:24:53 AM
unfaded version of spoiled cards:
http://mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html
This is conspiracy spoilers link
its both its just the newest stuff. the original m15 page updated with non blurry pics but before this was the only version.
{void snare} is nasty for a single {U}
Excited for {quickling} as well.....I love flash and bouncing creatures back to your hand
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{void snare} is nasty for a single {U}
Excited for {quickling} as well.....I love flash and bouncing creatures back to your hand
So I guess they are trying gating again
I'm stoked for Void Snare as well... Probably a 3of in my deck
Uncommon only works on creatures, this is nonland permanent
Quote from: Taysby on May 23, 2014, 06:30:59 PM
It's a strictly better unsummon. It is nasty...
Strictly different*
This is sorcery :( which is why it's just different than {unsummon}
Quote from: Taysby on May 23, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
Dammit...
Lol but in certain scenarios it's way better!
But unsummon was a 2-way street. I used it a lot to unsummon my delver to protect him.
Quote from: bravado883 on May 24, 2014, 12:03:56 PM
Did anyone excited for {Quickling} play with {Deputy of the Acquittals}? 'Twas fun, but having a flier any blue deck can cast seems better. Except that you could play Deputy on an open board.
Yea I have a "Fun with the bounce" deck posted in Casual. {quickling} will have a 4 of home in that deck
I'm building a squid deck
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 24, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
I'm building a squid deck
What a tentaCOOL deck idea
(That was really lame and I apologize lol)
With all this convoke stuff will we see a {Chord of Calling} reprint?
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 24, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 24, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
I'm building a squid deck
What a tentaCOOL deck idea
(That was really lame and I apologize lol)
WATER you mean?
Quote from: imthelolrus on May 24, 2014, 01:44:34 PM
With all this convoke stuff will we see a {Chord of Calling} reprint?
Hopefully!
When is it set for release?
Quote from: imthelolrus on May 24, 2014, 01:44:34 PM
With all this convoke stuff will we see a {Chord of Calling} reprint?
If they reprint chord I'm going to giggle like a schoolgirl. I actually need to pick up two for a pod deck, would work out perfectly
Fetchlands likely to get a reprint! :http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/301
Whilst discussing {Mana Confluence} in the article, one person says, "Is this supposed to be "Pay 1 life, T: ..." instead?" with the reply being, "Now pay life rather than deal damage, to match the land cycles we are most likely to reprint." I don't know about you, but the only cycle of lands I know of with, "{T}, Pay 1 life" are the fetches (and before someone argues, the pain lands deal damage). Now, they could be {Boseiju, Who Shelters All}, {Hall of the Bandit Lord}, and {Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper} or {Horizon Canopy}, but none of those are cycles, they could try to finish the {Horizon Canopy} cycle, but I am confident we are getting fetchlands. An article from the Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/article/magic-the-gathering-fetchlands-to-be-reprinted) also points out however that we could get the fetches in Conspiracy or Khans of Tarkir, because DailyMTG just says reprint, not listing a specific set, but the fact that they were thinking about this 2 years ago really points to fetches coming up soon.
Like x 1,000,000,000,000!! Thanks for the update too!!
Oh yes. Oh man oh yes.
Spoilers updated. A big stompy thing that dies easily but also comes back easily is here.
Phytotitan?? Been spoiled for about a week now
hot soup!
Meteorite is a flavor win. HOT SOUP???
HOT SOUP!!!!!
So much hot soup!!!
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New idea for Nissa
Nissa, Blah blah blah insert thingy here {1}{G}{G}
Planeswalker - Nissa
+3 Put a 1/1 green elf creature token into the battlefield
-1 Target creature gets +3/+3 until end of turn
-13 Put 20 1/1 green elf creature tokens into the battlefield
2
Quote from: Taysby on June 03, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
Seems legit.
As in broken or balanced? Lol I'm not good at this stuff
Black has a 2/1 Hexproof Creature for {2}{B}
You can pay {3}{B} to have it lose Hexproof to have it gain 1st strike a death touch until eot
All-in-all it's a pretty cool card!!
Dammit {Terra Stomper}, go away! Come back when we don't have devotion!
That being said, I hope that {Kalonean Tuskar} and {Leatherback Baloth} aren't reprinted.
{shivan dragon}, {mahomti djinn}, {senjir vampire}
Just why??
Sure they are cool staples from back in the day but that was then.
Maybe leading up to things in Khans? Dragons are there, so maybe djinns too?
{Aegis Angel}, {Mahamoti Djinn}, {Nightmare}, {Shivan Dragon}, {Terra Stomper}
What is this? A cycle of crappy 6 cost rares that are totally unrelated? I see.
Oh and don't forget about the 5 cost uncommons:
{Serra Angel}, {Sengir Vampire}, {Garruk's Packleader}
What else? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say {Air Elemental} and {Fire Elemental}.
Ugh. Core sets...
So far I'm so unimpressed. Garruk, Nissa, and Liliana better be amazing
There are 15 cards that are going to be standard legal and appear in the Starter Decks, but will not be in M15, I believe the cards you all are complaining about are of these 15.
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 13, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
So far I'm so unimpressed. Garruk, Nissa, and Liliana better be amazing
Is nissa actually confirmed ?
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Quote from: DylanW18 on June 13, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
So far I'm so unimpressed. Garruk, Nissa, and Liliana better be amazing
I believe so...but not 100% sure
Is nissa actually confirmed ?
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 13, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 13, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
So far I'm so unimpressed. Garruk, Nissa, and Liliana better be amazing
Is nissa actually confirmed ?
No. But the fact that she was included in the recent planeswalker figure sets suggests that she will be the new mono-green planeswalker.
Me? I'm just hoping Chandra will get an awesome card for once. Pyromaster was decent, but she could go better.
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Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 13, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 13, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
So far I'm so unimpressed. Garruk, Nissa, and Liliana better be amazing
Is nissa actually confirmed ?
No. But the fact that she was included in the recent planeswalker figure sets suggests that she will be the new mono-green planeswalker.
Me? I'm just hoping Chandra will get an awesome card for once. Pyromaster was decent, but she could go better.
So why {Garruk Packleader}?
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 14, 2014, 08:01:00 AM
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Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 13, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 13, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
So far I'm so unimpressed. Garruk, Nissa, and Liliana better be amazing
Is nissa actually confirmed ?
No. But the fact that she was included in the recent planeswalker figure sets suggests that she will be the new mono-green planeswalker.
Me? I'm just hoping Chandra will get an awesome card for once. Pyromaster was decent, but she could go better.
So why {Garruk Packleader}?
Because Garruk is the poster planes walker for this core set
Why have two Green PWs??
Maybe garruk isn't green this set?
Garruk's figure and in all of the promotional DotP ads, he's all grey/black.
{Garruk's Packleader} is part of the 15 cards that will not be in M15. (It's like for LGSs for test decks for new players. So if you look at the bar down on MythicSpoiler or collector's number 270 and on. They are not in the set.
I presume that Nissa is replacing Garruk for the set as the green planeswalker and Garruk will be either colorless or the second multicolor card in any Core Set.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 15, 2014, 07:13:00 AM
Other than the "hasn't had a card in a long time," and "they drew him black" are there any reasons to suspect we don't just get Garruk?
I bet we get {Garruk, Caller of Beasts} again, but would be extra stoked if we get {Garruk, Primal Hunter} back.
I've been on this forum for over a year and yet I still haven't learned how to link. Oh well.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1401
Hunt Bigger Game. He hunts Planeswalkers now that he is tainted by the chain veil from Liliana after Innistrad. He seems like he is not just Green.
https://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1431
And this. They have the main 5 Ajani, Jace, Liliana, Chandra, and Garruk (grey, mind you).
And a sixth. Nissa Revane. Now why would they make a planeswalker that's old and one of the worst in general. They must be printing her very soon.
Let's see their most recent printings:
Ajani: M14, JiN
Jace: RtR, M14
Liliana: Inn, M14
Chandra: M13, M14
Garruk: Inn, M13, M14
Nissa: Zen
I would hope to say that there will be a new card for Liliana (because she hasn't had a new card in a while), Garruk and Nissa.
Any points that I missed?
{Sign in Blood}
Reprint spoiled for m15
Yay mono black!
Quote from: Sto5rm on June 15, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
{Sign in Blood}
Reprint spoiled for m15
Yay mono black!
Sign in blood and read the bones!?!? So much draw power for mono black....I'm calling it right now, mono black with splash green will be a thing and a top tier deck.
Quote from: Ace on June 15, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Sto5rm on June 15, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
{Sign in Blood}
Reprint spoiled for m15
Yay mono black!
Sign in blood and read the bones!?!? So much draw power for mono black....I'm calling it right now, mono black with splash green will be a thing and a top tier deck.
Lol calling it now ... It already is TOP TIER lol jk but post RtR why splash Green? For Courser?
Quote from: Ace on June 15, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Sto5rm on June 15, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
{Sign in Blood}
Reprint spoiled for m15
Yay mono black!
Sign in blood and read the bones!?!? So much draw power for mono black....I'm calling it right now, mono black with splash green will be a thing and a top tier deck.
Lol no, MonoBlack won't add in the Sign In Blood until RTR rotates.
The deck is too OP for words as it is (Just got 1st place at a SCG SuperIQ with it)
after RTR rotates it will need to make some changes to its line up to stay relevant.
Hopfully Khans/M15 will provide those pieces other wise I need a new deck.
{in garruks wake}?
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
{in garruks wake}?
It's a little op but it has a high CMC... Destroy all creatures and Planeswalkers you don't control.
More evidence for a Black Garruk.
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 16, 2014, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
{in garruks wake}?
It's a little op but it has a high CMC... Destroy all creatures and Planeswalkers you don't control.
More evidence for a Black Garruk.
yea the name either suggests garruk is already dead or will be soon.
Really? What I understand is "Everything 'In Garruk's Wake' is destroyed." You know because he's an evil hunter and all.
Since a planeswalker has never left their original colors, I think we'll have a non-flip BG Garruk.
Examples;
Ajani: W to WR and WG
Sorin: B to BW
Tezzeret U to UB
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 16, 2014, 05:57:54 PM
Really? What I understand is "Everything 'In Garruk's Wake' is destroyed." You know because he's an evil hunter and all.
Since a planeswalker has never left their original colors, I think we'll have a non-flip BG Garruk.
Examples;
Ajani: W to WR and WG
Sorin: B to BW
Tezzeret U to UB
Ah, but there is no precedent for this. Garruk is under the curse veil, and not himself. Not saying you are wrong, but there is considerable evidence for a black Garruk.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 16, 2014, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 16, 2014, 05:57:54 PM
Really? What I understand is "Everything 'In Garruk's Wake' is destroyed." You know because he's an evil hunter and all.
Since a planeswalker has never left their original colors, I think we'll have a non-flip BG Garruk.
Examples;
Ajani: W to WR and WG
Sorin: B to BW
Tezzeret U to UB
Ah, but there is no precedent for this. Garruk is under the curse veil, and not himself. Not saying you are wrong, but there is considerable evidence for a black Garruk.
True.
Ajani is originally from Naya, so G and R are not out of his spectrum.
Sorin... I'm not too sure. If I recall correctly he was sacrificing Vampires for a reason or something. Anyway, he was sane.
Tezzeret and Sarkhan (whom I forgot), however, were under the control of Nicol Bolas and became a "Slave" and went "Mad" respectively. Of course, Tezzeret was from Esper and Sarkhan from Jund, so it is in their repertoire. I would say this is the closest representation.
Garruk has already been a flip card as G then GB, so it seems he maintains his root. I doubt they will print the flip card due to the token thing. He could be mono-black, but why have Liliana then? She did this to him, didn't she? She should have a slot too.
But as always, this is just highly extrapolated speculation. :-)
Wait! Sarkhan went from red Green to Red Black
He dropped a whole colour
The flavor text on In Garruk's Wake..
Beyond pain, beyond obsession and wild despair, there lies a place of twisted power only the most tormented souls can reach.
And Sarkhan was not from Jund. We were introduced to him while he was on Jund. He is originally from Tarkir.
And Sorin was white because he was looking out for the humans on Innistrad, as they were being put in danger of extinction by the other Vampires. So he created Avacyn, which then put him at odds with the other Vampire clans on Innistrad. I believe this would be pre-Mending, as I doubt any planeswalker post-Mending has the power to create a being such as Avacyn, or to create a plane such as Mirrodin (which was Karn).
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 17, 2014, 09:19:18 AM
And Sarkhan was not from Jund. We were introduced to him while he was on Jund. He is originally from Tarkir.
And Sorin was white because he was looking out for the humans on Innistrad, as they were being put in danger of extinction by the other Vampires. So he created Avacyn, which then put him at odds with the other Vampire clans on Innistrad. I believe this would be pre-Mending, as I doubt any planeswalker post-Mending has the power to create a being such as Avacyn, or to create a plane such as Mirrodin (which was Karn).
+1^
Thanks. I'm pretty fuzzy on Innistrad lore.
I totally forgot about that. Yes. Sarkhan is from Tarkir which may or may not be wedges. But I don't see him embodying any of them too well.
Wel'll see I guess. There has to be a new Sarkhan card there.
However, Sarkhan first planeswalked to Jund and worshipped the dragons of it. Hopefully the new card will be actually playable rather than flavorful. Then again, would this be when he is still on Tarkir before he went to Jund? In which case, he might be just a Legendary... I'll save that for KoT speculation though.
Quote from: Avnger345 on June 16, 2014, 11:58:32 PM
The flavor text on In Garruk's Wake..
Beyond pain, beyond obsession and wild despair, there lies a place of twisted power only the most tormented souls can reach.
We're getting a {Tormented Soul} reprint!
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 16, 2014, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
{in garruks wake}?
It's a little op but it has a high CMC... Destroy all creatures and Planeswalkers you don't control.
More evidence for a Black Garruk.
yea the name either suggests garruk is already dead or will be soon.
!!!!! DON'T SAY SUCH THINGS !!!!! Garruk is... Awesome.....
Quote from: Deebiia on June 17, 2014, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 16, 2014, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
{in garruks wake}?
It's a little op but it has a high CMC... Destroy all creatures and Planeswalkers you don't control.
More evidence for a Black Garruk.
yea the name either suggests garruk is already dead or will be soon.
!!!!! DON'T SAY SUCH THINGS !!!!! Garruk is... Awesome.....
I don't think it suggests either of those. I think it's pretty straight forward, the new Garruk (black) has finally lost all touch with the world and nothing is safe. In the wake of his power, all is destroyed.
Quote from: Quisequise on June 17, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: Deebiia on June 17, 2014, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 16, 2014, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: particle on June 16, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
{in garruks wake}?
It's a little op but it has a high CMC... Destroy all creatures and Planeswalkers you don't control.
More evidence for a Black Garruk.
yea the name either suggests garruk is already dead or will be soon.
!!!!! DON'T SAY SUCH THINGS !!!!! Garruk is... Awesome.....
I don't think it suggests either of those. I think it's pretty straight forward, the new Garruk (black) has finally lost all touch with the world and nothing is safe. In the wake of his power, all is destroyed.
... Except for those that you control.
Really not impressed with it so far. Hoping the last hundred cards contain something good.
Quote from: LordJanova on June 18, 2014, 08:57:48 AM
Really not impressed with it so far. Hoping the last hundred cards contain something good.
man, {bronze sable} and {ornithopter} in the same set. artifacts are gonna be OP.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
Looks fun to draft, but I don't see any good stuff for constructed.
Here we see a "Magic the Gathering: Core Set" in its natural habitat. "What is its job in the ecosystem?" you may ask. Well, to bring in new players to the area, you see. Of course, it also serves as a story break from block to block and an ability to print new 5-color cycles of Planeswalkers and creatures. It also reintroduces a old mechanic, such as Convoke, to Standard. It also is quite fun to draft as a whole. This is the idea of a "Core Set" and it serves the other animals well.
Join us next time on "Leet's Safari" to hear about the extinct animal the "Un-Set"
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
Looks fun to draft, but I don't see any good stuff for constructed.
{Indulgent tormenter} looks good
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
Looks fun to draft, but I don't see any good stuff for constructed.
Restore life angel
New deso demon (5cmc)
Elvish mystic
Negate
Plummet
Turn to frog
Waste Not
All great for construction IMO
They're printing a bit of the tiny stuff from affinity
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 18, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
Looks fun to draft, but I don't see any good stuff for constructed.
Restore life angel. Costs way too much
New deso demon (5cmc). Ok, there's one good card
Elvish mystic. Does the mana dork really count?
Negate. Who plays it?
Plummet. Who plays it?
Turn to frog. Ummm... No.
Waste Not. How much discard is there in standard? We haven't even gotten mind rot in m15 yet!
All great for construction IMO
Waste not isn't good enough for modern or legacy. The life angel might see play in edh.
Waste not is going to be fun in legacy. So much good discard to work with and enchantments are notoriously hard to remove.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 18, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
Looks fun to draft, but I don't see any good stuff for constructed.
Restore life angel. Costs way too much
New deso demon (5cmc). Ok, there's one good card
Elvish mystic. Does the mana dork really count?
Negate. Who plays it?
Plummet. Who plays it?
Turn to frog. Ummm... No.
Waste Not. How much discard is there in standard? We haven't even gotten mind rot in m15 yet!
All great for construction IMO
Waste not isn't good enough for modern or legacy. The life angel might see play in edh.
7 mana is pretty easy in standard now, most of my notes are regarding standard
With no sphinx rev, control will need something for life. Get a bounce mechanic back in tarkir or even m15 and its gonna be an annoying combo
Turn to frog: no turn//burn after rotation or rapid hybrid. W/U control will need something to hold off a storm breath if they splash red instead of black.
Answers for gods/stormbreath/obzedat/blood baron
Pretty common in my area to see these spells
My RU deck is very excited for {Turn to Frog}
Set looks solid so far. I like the artifact subtheme and the {Ajani's Pridemate} reprint is interesting with {Archangel of Thune}, {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}, {Obzedat, Ghost Council}, ect. in standard.
I see all these artifacts, and I wonder if Khans will have some sort of Dragon artifact ties to it?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 18, 2014, 06:32:13 PM
Set looks solid so far. I like the artifact subtheme and the {Ajani's Pridemate} reprint is interesting with {Archangel of Thune}, {Blood Baron of Vizkopa}, {Obzedat, Ghost Council}, ect. in standard.
I almost thought that you meant they were printing those.
i love how {bronze sable}s are powerful enough to planeswalk from theros to tarkir.
Quote from: Quisequise on June 18, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
I see all these artifacts, and I wonder if Khans will have some sort of Dragon artifact ties to it?
{Hellkite Tyrant}?
Quote from: S717 on June 19, 2014, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on June 18, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
I see all these artifacts, and I wonder if Khans will have some sort of Dragon artifact ties to it?
{Hellkite Tyrant}?
{Steel Hellkite}?
{Hoarding Dragon}?
Quote from: particle on June 18, 2014, 10:11:40 PM
i love how {bronze sable}s are powerful enough to planeswalk from theros to tarkir.
Hehe
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 19, 2014, 12:15:15 PM
Quote from: S717 on June 19, 2014, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on June 18, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
I see all these artifacts, and I wonder if Khans will have some sort of Dragon artifact ties to it?
{Hellkite Tyrant}?
{Steel Hellkite}?
{Hoarding Dragon}?
No I mean, artifacts belonging to Dragons. Sort of like how the major gods have weapons.
Quote from: Quisequise on June 19, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: The1337Magician on June 19, 2014, 12:15:15 PM
Quote from: S717 on June 19, 2014, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: Quisequise on June 18, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
I see all these artifacts, and I wonder if Khans will have some sort of Dragon artifact ties to it?
{Hellkite Tyrant}?
{Steel Hellkite}?
{Hoarding Dragon}?
No I mean, artifacts belonging to Dragons. Sort of like how the major gods have weapons.
Or maybe artifacts shaped like dragons? I mean look at the picture for the set there's like a rock or metal formation in the background that's totally a dragon.
{Dragon Blood}?
I think all or most of the dragons are supposed to be dead so maybe the people are turning into dragons, like {Form of the Dragon}.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 19, 2014, 07:33:47 PM
Quote from: particle on June 18, 2014, 10:11:40 PM
i love how {bronze sable}s are powerful enough to planeswalk from theros to tarkir.
So much like
But M15 isn't tarkir...
oh true.
Quote from: particle on June 18, 2014, 10:11:40 PM
i love how {bronze sable}s are powerful enough to planeswalk from theros to planeless core set.
Fixed
Now why couldn't those Paragons cost 3? A 2/2 lord for 4 mana is just unplayable IMO. I like it when wizards makes 5 lords like they did with {drogskol reaver} and his counterparts from that set but these M15 ones are kinda meh.
Hate sounding pessimistic when a new set comes out but....
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 21, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
Now why couldn't those Paragons cost 3? A 2/2 lord for 4 mana is just unplayable IMO. I like it when wizards makes 5 lords like they did with {drogskol reaver} and his counterparts from that set but these M15 ones are kinda meh.
Hate sounding pessimistic when a new set comes out but....
{drogskol captain}.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on June 21, 2014, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 21, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
Now why couldn't those Paragons cost 3? A 2/2 lord for 4 mana is just unplayable IMO. I like it when wizards makes 5 lords like they did with {drogskol reaver} and his counterparts from that set but these M15 ones are kinda meh.
Hate sounding pessimistic when a new set comes out but....
{drogskol captain}.
Yea that guy thx
Quote from: bravado883 on June 21, 2014, 11:26:06 AM
The ones from Innistrad had two-color casting costs and were tribal. I think if these cost three they'd have to be rare. Agreed in excitement factor so far, but we really haven't seen much. I'm sure once the PWs and rare lands (if any) are revealed there will be more to talk about.
There are good single color uncommon lords for 3 mana. But yea I guess these lords are color based instead of tribal so I see your point.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 21, 2014, 03:03:10 PM
Chromatic tribal plus devotion = mono color madness
Imagine if lord were 3 drop ({1}{U}{U}):
T1-{Cloudfin Raptor}
T2-{Frostborn Wierd} or {Tidebinder Mage}
T3-Blue Lord
T4-{Master of Waves}
GG?
Here's to hoping I get some new illusions to play with. I miss playing them in standard. Lol
Quote from: Infektor on June 21, 2014, 10:58:56 PM
Here's to hoping I get some new illusions to play with. I miss playing them in standard. Lol
^This
{spiritbond} seem op for white.
Quote from: particle on June 22, 2014, 10:02:40 PM
{spiritbond} seem op for white.
It does. I wonder how much use it will be in Standard, it will definitely be used in Commander
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 22, 2014, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: particle on June 22, 2014, 10:02:40 PM
{spiritbond} seem op for white.
It does. I wonder how much use it will be in Standard, it will definitely be used in Commander
Yeah it seems pretty filthy in EDH. Throw it in a {Teysa, Orzhov Scion} deck and things happen.
{soul of new phyrexia} in every edh deck ever.
Quote from: particle on June 23, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
{soul of new phyrexia} in every edh deck ever.
WTF?!? Dude that card is amazing! I agree, it will be in almost every edh deck ever. Pick up the foils now before they skyrocket
Quote from: Ace on June 23, 2014, 01:47:19 AM
Quote from: particle on June 23, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
{soul of new phyrexia} in every edh deck ever.
WTF?!? Dude that card is amazing! I agree, it will be in almost every edh deck ever. Pick up the foils now before they skyrocket
In EDH it's good but not unreal. I know it's colorless and can fit any deck but it's a 6/6 trampled for 6 with 2 meh abilities. It's no {Solumn Simulacrum} imo
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 01:49:32 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 23, 2014, 01:47:19 AM
Quote from: particle on June 23, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
{soul of new phyrexia} in every edh deck ever.
WTF?!? Dude that card is amazing! I agree, it will be in almost every edh deck ever. Pick up the foils now before they skyrocket
In EDH it's good but not unreal. I know it's colorless and can fit any deck but it's a 6/6 trampled for 6 with 2 meh abilities. It's no {Solumn Simulacrum} imo
To me that card is amazing for edh. I may be wrong but I foresee this card being like 20 bucks and a 60 or 70 dollar foil in about a year or so. But that's just my opinion.
Quote from: Ace on June 23, 2014, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 01:49:32 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 23, 2014, 01:47:19 AM
Quote from: particle on June 23, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
{soul of new phyrexia} in every edh deck ever.
WTF?!? Dude that card is amazing! I agree, it will be in almost every edh deck ever. Pick up the foils now before they skyrocket
In EDH it's good but not unreal. I know it's colorless and can fit any deck but it's a 6/6 trampled for 6 with 2 meh abilities. It's no {Solumn Simulacrum} imo
To me that card is amazing for edh. I may be wrong but I foresee this card being like 20 bucks and a 60 or 70 dollar foil in about a year or so. But that's just my opinion.
Really? I just don't see it being unreal in EDH
Look at {Steel Helkite} which is waaaay better than Soul and it's only $2
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 02:22:11 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 23, 2014, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 01:49:32 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 23, 2014, 01:47:19 AM
Quote from: particle on June 23, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
{soul of new phyrexia} in every edh deck ever.
WTF?!? Dude that card is amazing! I agree, it will be in almost every edh deck ever. Pick up the foils now before they skyrocket
In EDH it's good but not unreal. I know it's colorless and can fit any deck but it's a 6/6 trampled for 6 with 2 meh abilities. It's no {Solumn Simulacrum} imo
To me that card is amazing for edh. I may be wrong but I foresee this card being like 20 bucks and a 60 or 70 dollar foil in about a year or so. But that's just my opinion.
Really? I just don't see it being unreal in EDH
Look at {Steel Helkite} which is waaaay better than Soul and it's only $2
Yes, the creature itself is not great, a 6/6 trample for 6 is nothing amazing....but what makes him amazing is his ability that makes all permanents indestructible. That is nuts in edh. I may be off in his price, but look at {avacyn, angel of hope}. She is that price because of edh. And he is not as good as her but he come close. And the fact u can use him one last time while in the graveyard if u need to is so awesome. And yes the fact he can go into any color deck almost makes him better than avacyn.
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 21, 2014, 11:02:41 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/
Here it is here again got reference and In Arbitratur's initial post like usual.
So we just got the red Soul plane Avatar with {Soul of Shandalar}! So that's all colours bar White and Black. So what planes do you think they'll be? Kamigawa and Dominara respectively? Innistrad and Lorwyn? What about multicoloured with Alara (knowing full well core sets rarely do multis).
{Juggernaut}'s back!!!! Ah the nostalgic memories of Revised...
Edit: love the flavor text on this one: "Don't you know who I am?"
Not sure how long he's been out for but YAY Ob Nixilus gets a new card!!!
I want that Sphinx !!! (But I want every Sphinx)
Okay I'm impressed now
The set looks really interesting. {Warden of the Beyond} will be a boss if there are a few things to exile with.
According to Aaron Forescythe: M15 focuses on enemy color pairs....things are looking good for Fetchlands in either M15 or Khans......
i think ob nixilis will be fun for edh. oh yea, go grab that forest, gonna cost you 10 life and a dude though. and i think that steel hellkite is very different. while it is playable in many decks lacking catch all removal, the avatar is gonna be in lots of decks imo because every color wants their stuff yo be more resistant to board wipes which are very common in edh. Throw a pair of {swiftfoot boots} or {lightning greaves} on him, and only mass exile/sacrifice/-X/X kills him, assuming you leave up the mana.
With Ob Nix back does that mean fetches?? Bc right now there's basically 0 ways to search the library. So either fetches or {Chord of Calling}
Also bc the other Ob Nox was from Zendikar and had a landfall ability {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
With Ob Nix back does that mean fetches?? Bc right now there's basically 0 ways to search the library. So either fetches or {Chord of Calling}
Also bc the other Ob Nox was from Zendikar and had a landfall ability {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
I think they're trying to give us a hint. Either this set or in khans.
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
With Ob Nix back does that mean fetches?? Bc right now there's basically 0 ways to search the library. So either fetches or {Chord of Calling}
Also bc the other Ob Nox was from Zendikar and had a landfall ability {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
Are we sure he's originally from Zendikar. Remember, he is a planeswalker that lost his spark...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 23, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
With Ob Nix back does that mean fetches?? Bc right now there's basically 0 ways to search the library. So either fetches or {Chord of Calling}
Also bc the other Ob Nox was from Zendikar and had a landfall ability {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
Are we sure he's originally from Zendikar. Remember, he is a planeswalker that lost his spark...
I thought he originated from Mirrodin, actually.
Idk where he's from all I'm saying is that his ability was a landfall ability so doesn't it make sense that his new ability will have some thing to do with fetches
Quote from: bravado883 on June 23, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
So, convoke with inspired should be good.
Please give me a decent two mana counter!
Counter spell?
{Logic Knot} but with Convoke instead of Delve would be cool. I think GU decks would get a lot better if that happened
Wow obnixis may cost 6 mana but wow he can easily be broken.
Quote from: Spikepit on June 23, 2014, 07:26:46 AM
So we just got the red Soul plane Avatar with {Soul of Shandalar}! So that's all colours bar White and Black. So what planes do you think they'll be? Kamigawa and Dominara respectively? Innistrad and Lorwyn? What about multicoloured with Alara (knowing full well core sets rarely do multis).
Definitely think innistrad for black
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
Holy crap! That island!
It is insanely broken!! I know what I'm ordering a playset of! 8)
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 23, 2014, 12:22:55 PM
Wow obnixis may cost 6 mana but wow he can easily be broken.
{Ob Nixilis, Unshackled}+{Path to Exile} 8)
I like reds new burn: sac artifact, 5 dmg to creature or player {R}{1}
And orinthopter is legal too...
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 23, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
I like reds new burn: sac artifact, 5 dmg to creature or player {R}{1}
And orinthopter is legal too...
So is {Darksteel Citadel}
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 23, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
I like reds new burn: sac artifact, 5 dmg to creature or player {R}{1}
And orinthopter is legal too...
{shrapnel blast} is a reprint FYI
I'm guess it will be Soul of Theros for White and Soul of Innistrad for Black, since that will cover all of the blocks back to Zendikar. I they make a multicolor one, it will be Soul of Alara. Assuming they make a new Garruk, he'll be BG, which means we'd potentially have two Multicolored cards in a single core set.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that Soul of Innistrad will be:
3BB: Put two 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens on to the battlefield tapped
for its ability.
So I'm willing to say that we may have an artifact heavy theme coming, either in m15 or khan. Too much affinity stuff coming and being hinted at IMO.
Quote from: Infektor on June 23, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
So I'm willing to say that we may have an artifact heavy theme coming, either in m15 or khan. Too much affinity stuff coming and being hinted at IMO.
The art for Khans shows giant rock like monsters, so this seems legit.
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/c09c76bdfc3eedcf82ffa657eef518a0/tumblr_n5to5bbdIR1s7j45no1_500.jpg)
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 23, 2014, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 23, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
With Ob Nix back does that mean fetches?? Bc right now there's basically 0 ways to search the library. So either fetches or {Chord of Calling}
Also bc the other Ob Nox was from Zendikar and had a landfall ability {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
Are we sure he's originally from Zendikar. Remember, he is a planeswalker that lost his spark...
I thought he originated from Mirrodin, actually.
MAYBE HE'S FROM TARKIR AND WE'LL GET A PLANESWALKER VERSION OF HIM IN KHANS!!!!
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 23, 2014, 09:13:57 PM
I think that Soul of Imnistrad will be a
{B}{B}{3} Destroy target nonblack creature
AND I have no doubt in my mind that the White soul will be Soul of Kamigawa and it will exile attacking or blocking creatures.
There may even be a 5 color for Alara or Lorwyn. Idk, what would you guys say? It's had an ability like {Legacy weapon}
Maro sort of let it slip that the White one is Theros. Unless he is messing with us...
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 23, 2014, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 23, 2014, 09:13:57 PM
I think that Soul of Imnistrad will be a
{B}{B}{3} Destroy target nonblack creature
AND I have no doubt in my mind that the White soul will be Soul of Kamigawa and it will exile attacking or blocking creatures.
There may even be a 5 color for Alara or Lorwyn. Idk, what would you guys say? It's had an ability like {Legacy weapon}
Maro sort of let it slip that the White one is Theros. Unless he is messing with us...
He also said that there would only be six one for each color then an artifact one
Quote from: Noblellama on June 23, 2014, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 23, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 23, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
With Ob Nix back does that mean fetches?? Bc right now there's basically 0 ways to search the library. So either fetches or {Chord of Calling}
Also bc the other Ob Nox was from Zendikar and had a landfall ability {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
Are we sure he's originally from Zendikar. Remember, he is a planeswalker that lost his spark...
Just a thought, but if it was the loss of his spark that drove him demonic, what would he be with his spark? We saw during the time block an alternate version of Crovax, instead of ascendant evincar of rath we had he hero version...
As was with Braids. Maybe we could get a WU version of him?
Oh yeah Slivers Hive land... More slivers for M15. Sliver deck while m14 and m15 are out more possible.
There he is, Sould of Innostrad! Black as black! Reanimator ahoy.
Quote from: Spikepit on June 24, 2014, 03:22:10 AM
There he is, Sould of Innostrad! Black as black! Reanimator ahoy.
combo with {Lotleth Troll}
Quote from: Avnger345 on June 24, 2014, 03:15:06 AM
Oh yeah Slivers Hive land... More slivers for M15. Sliver deck while m14 and m15 are out more possible.
One positive thing at the picture of sliver hive is that they look like the original slivers!!!
Off the M15 packaging....that looks like Nissa...Ajani and Jace are pictured on the packaging too, with {LIliana Vess} spoiled. Chandra pictured on a deckbox.
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/5309aade6ce4c6ebe73322bc67d99e61/tumblr_n7nwo625z61tophcho3_250.png)
That looks badass
Cool! I like that we've gone back to plain ol original reanimatin' Vessie!
Quote from: bravado883 on June 24, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
Guess we're doing the whole sliver thing again with {Sliver Hive}. I don't know, being able to run ALL the slivers regardless of color makes them better, but not sure about constructed batter.
There are going to be 5 uncommon slivers in M15. I think Bant could be amazing, {Manaweft Sliver}, {Sentinel Sliver}, {Galerider Sliver}, {Sphinx's Revelation}, {Prophet of Kruphix}...
Quote from: bravado883 on June 24, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
Guess we're doing the whole sliver thing again with {Sliver Hive}. I don't know, being able to run ALL the slivers regardless of color makes them better, but not sure about constructed batter.
Wooo new land for sliver deck
I have never been a sliver fan. However, nothing like an awesome land to totally change my idea on that tribe.
lol at {goblin kaboomist}.
HNNNNGGG need that sliver land so bad for my sliver EDH π I hope the foils aren't too pricey... I'm curious what the mythic will be
Lol llama and ya sliver do need that stuff!! But I'm a fan of just using B Charm or Rangers Guile :P
Quote from: Noblellama on June 24, 2014, 02:25:02 PM
Nah man, I want them to have it as a passive static ability...
That's just OP though
Quote from: Noblellama on June 24, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
Slivers need indestructible, you know, because they already are not hard enough to get rid of...
Ooo, or let's give them flanking, horsemanship, banding and a few other abilities, I want rampage back!
{sidewinder sliver} ;) btw
IMO I think we get a new 5 color legend that gives hexproof. At least that's what I want for my EDH deck. The shroud sliver messes up {magma sliver} :/
Quote from: Noblellama on June 24, 2014, 03:04:51 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on June 24, 2014, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on June 24, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
Slivers need indestructible, you know, because they already are not hard enough to get rid of...
Ooo, or let's give them flanking, horsemanship, banding and a few other abilities, I want rampage back!
{sidewinder sliver} ;) btw
Let it begin let it begin!!! What do you mean it already started??? Damnit, let's go!
Sounds like you guys are trying to start a sliverwar
That's going to be my pauper deck... Selesnya Slivers...
{Chandra, Pyromaster} reprinted
Also on mythicspoiler.com
What about obelisk of Urd? 6 cc with convoke. As it etb name a creature type creature you control get +2/+2.
IMO I think this can make {Master of Waves} better. Either drop him turn 4 and say you can tap him 3 other creatures plus a few of the elementals on board, turn your elementals into 4/3s and even if waves leaves battlefield. They are then 3/2s.
Quote from: Avnger345 on June 24, 2014, 09:01:09 PM
What about obelisk of Urd? 6 cc with convoke. As it etb name a creature type creature you control get +2/+2.
IMO I think this can make {Master of Waves} better. Either drop him turn 4 and say you can tap him 3 other creatures plus a few of the elementals on board, turn your elementals into 4/3s and even if waves leaves battlefield. They are then 3/2s.
I'd bet on seeing it in Sliver decks more often.
I'm talking standard.. Slivers will be until m14 rotates out and leaves m15 slivers, whatever they might be.
New Ajani:
(http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/ajanithesteadfast.jpg)
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 12:17:43 AM
New Ajani:
(http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/ajanithesteadfast.jpg)
Somebody translate please?
Here is translation I found: Ajani the Resolute / Steadfast (unconfirmed text)
+1 Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature you control
-2 Put a +1/+1 counter on all creatures you control, then put a loyalty counter on all other planeswalkers you control
-7 You get an emblem that says "If you or a planeswalker you control were to take damage, prevent all but 1 of that dama
Bant walkers seems good.
Umm also a note, he's wearing elspeth's cloak! #elspethabilitiespl0x?
I saw on mythic spoiler that the +1: is up to 1 target creature gets +1/+1 1st strike lifelink and vig. Until eot
(http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/ajanithesteadfast1.jpg)
Plus 1 dat .poo. FOR DAYSSSSS!!!
And sometimes -2 :P
Never ultimate lol
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 12:31:50 AM
Plus 1 dat .poo. FOR DAYSSSSS!!!
And sometimes -2 :P
Never ultimate lol
In walker EDH always ultimate
In walker EDH, u have doubling season and he still lives after ultimate.
Well, that Ajani... Certainly gave the fill of insane cackling for the evening. He'll be an all-star in Progenitus Superfriends, that's for sure. And he's also really strong on his own.
But we seem to keep missing the fact that he's WEARING ELSPETH'S CLOAK!
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 12:31:50 AM
Plus 1 dat .poo. FOR DAYSSSSS!!!
And sometimes -2 :P
Never ultimate lol
In walker EDH always ultimate
Ya but who plays dat lol and ya ultimate is cool but I'd rather just win with my face pounders also why {3}{W} not {2}{W}{W}??
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 12:35:16 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 12:31:50 AM
Plus 1 dat .poo. FOR DAYSSSSS!!!
And sometimes -2 :P
Never ultimate lol
In walker EDH always ultimate
Ya but who plays dat lol and ya ultimate is cool but I'd rather just win with my face pounders also why {3}{W} not {2}{W}{W}??
So bant walkers is more prevalent :P
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 12:35:16 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 25, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 12:31:50 AM
Plus 1 dat .poo. FOR DAYSSSSS!!!
And sometimes -2 :P
Never ultimate lol
In walker EDH always ultimate
Ya but who plays dat lol and ya ultimate is cool but I'd rather just win with my face pounders also why {3}{W} not {2}{W}{W}??
So he will be easier to play in Bant Walkers, maybe even some weird Witch-Maw Walkers
Soul of Theros is as bad as the block was. I have a theory that the souls were meant to embody how good or bad the block they were from was. They all for except Zendikar
Soul of Theros is solid. In EDH, any Weenie deck with Nykthos support (ie. Mana to actually cast this guy) will be able to activate it once or twice during each combat afterwards, which is a HUGE boost in life and damage output. First Strike then protects your guys.
In limited, if you untap with him and your opponent can't deal with it, you're basically going to win. Even by itself, you're attacking with an 8/8 First Strike, Vigilance, Lifelink during the turns after, which is enough of a life swing to put the game out of reach for your opponent. If you have any other creatures on top of that, that's just extra damage and life you're gaining. Never underestimate the weenies.
eww at new ajani. wizards really tryna make white better.
So...we have a new jace also!!! And also what appears to be a new nessa! Wizards is going full out for M15! I'm loving it.
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 01:48:31 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 24, 2014, 12:46:43 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on April 15, 2014, 10:15:15 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/
Where do you see the new Jace??????
Click on the link and under previews It has all the pw in a line and is shows the jace card and his name but just not anything else. But the name is Jace, living guildpact. And the picture looks soooo sick.
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 01:52:00 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 01:48:31 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 24, 2014, 12:46:43 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on April 15, 2014, 10:15:15 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/
Where do you see the new Jace??????
Click on the link and under previews It has all the pw in a line and is shows the jace card and his name but just not anything else. But the name is Jace, living guildpact. And the picture looks soooo sick.
Omg I need 20 of those in foil ASAP!!!
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 01:54:15 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 01:52:00 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 01:48:31 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on June 24, 2014, 12:46:43 PM
Quote from: Arbitratur on April 15, 2014, 10:15:15 AM
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/
Where do you see the new Jace??????
Click on the link and under previews It has all the pw in a line and is shows the jace card and his name but just not anything else. But the name is Jace, living guildpact. And the picture looks soooo sick.
Omg I need 20 of those in foil ASAP!!!
Right? I'm not sure what he will do but the picture looks amazing and I want it now
Omg jace looks beautiful!!
I'm building tribal Jace while I can for Standard!! Lol
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 25, 2014, 01:54:11 AM
Check out the mythic spoiler page again my friend. It's Jace, Living Guildpact. And some new Nissa.
Honestly.. I'm getting real tired of all these jaces. We have (5?) new ones, and that's ridiculous. We should have a core set with ALL brand new walkers... :-O
While I do like the new jace picture I do kind of have to agree that the fact we have three different types of ajani, three different types of jace is a bit rediculous
Before rotation, we also had three different Garruks; Caller of Beasts, Relentless and Primal Hunter
I just realized that all the pw coincide with the souls cards. Ajani is with theros, jace is ravnica, nessa is zendicar, liliana is innistrad and Chandra is shandalar...interesting...
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 02:25:58 AM
I just realized that all the pw coincide with the souls cards. Ajani is with theros, jace is ravnica, nessa is zendicar, liliana is innistrad and Chandra is shandalar...interesting...
Omg that's awesome!!!!!! Good find!!
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 02:25:58 AM
I just realized that all the pw coincide with the souls cards. Ajani is with theros, jace is ravnica, nessa is zendicar, liliana is innistrad and Chandra is shandalar...interesting...
Pretty much, except outside of Core sets, Chandra has had no connection to Shandalar
Wait does this mean .... {Soul of New Phyrexia} ...... {KARN LIBERATED} REPRINT?!!!!
Quote from: Remillo on June 25, 2014, 02:34:20 AM
Quote from: Ace on June 25, 2014, 02:25:58 AM
I just realized that all the pw coincide with the souls cards. Ajani is with theros, jace is ravnica, nessa is zendicar, liliana is innistrad and Chandra is shandalar...interesting...
Pretty much, except outside of Core sets, Chandra has had no connection to Shandalar
Actually, as far as I understand it. Chandra's story has never really revealed where she is from, but it's believed she is from shandalar. So it would fit nicely...if I'm wrong then correct me but that's what understand.
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 25, 2014, 02:35:23 AM
Wait does this mean .... {Soul of New Phyrexia} ...... {KARN LIBERATED} REPRINT?!!!!
That would be awesome but I doubt it. I think I just simply found flavor that R&D put Into this set, I'm not so sure it is anything other and just clever flavoring for the design of the set
I'm gonna say a big hell no to Planeswalker Karn in a Core set. If WotC thinks that multicolored cards are too complex for new players (still holding out for a BG Garruk), there's no way they're going to include a card with the text "Restart the game".
Quote from: Remillo on June 25, 2014, 02:45:11 AM
I'm gonna say a big hell no to Planeswalker Karn in a Core set. If WotC thinks that multicolored cards are too complex for new players (still holding out for a BG Garruk), there's no way they're going to include a card with the text "Restart the game".
Yeah, I would agree to that. The core set is generally a set to bring in new players and get them used to the game...throwing in a pw like karn at a new player would just give them a big mind .love.
These mythics look fun, and the new {Ajani the Steadfast} Is awesome. I hope {Jace, Living Guildpact} is sweet!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/nissaworldwaker.jpg)
She doesn't just completely suck!
I'm a fan of the new nissa! Much green. Very acceleration. Wow EDH
Green devotion will have a lot of goodies.
A core set that isn't looking too bad for once
How am I ever going to complete my PW collection with all these new ones coming out? Lol
I'm loving the Eldrazi monuments in the artwork of Nissa I hope we get some new and reprinted Eldrazi in upcoming sets that would make me very happy
Quote from: Forbidyourways on June 25, 2014, 05:56:06 AM
I'm loving the Eldrazi monuments in the artwork of Nissa I hope we get some new and reprinted Eldrazi in upcoming sets that would make me very happy
Yeah, with all of these clues, I think it's a safe bet that after kahns if tarkir, we will return to zendikar!!!
How long must we wait to see more than just jace's art...
Well I may just have to play mono green with new Nissa coming out...
The second plus one is broken...
OMG OMG OMG I originally read it -1!!!! Wtf it's +1!!!!!! Wow!!!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on June 25, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
The second plus one is broken...
With {Kruphix, God of Horizons}....
I don't know if I am excited or scared .poo.less
I second this! She is awesome...but I am so damn scared to go against her. I have a feeling heros downfall will go back up in price
So we get 6 walkers in this set
{B}{G} Garruk?
maybe garruk just in the lore?
Possibly, the art they uses for everything is in Garruk's wake.
Quote from: particle on June 25, 2014, 12:48:45 PM
maybe garruk just in the lore?
Maybe they are showing the pw that garruk is hunting on each plane. And they are planing something big for him in the next set or the set after
Lands not adding up,
Darksteel citadel is 242/269
Sliver hive is 247/269
Radiant fountain is blacked out
And basics start at 250/269
This means there will be at least 5 more lands to be spoiled.
I have to go to work but I'll let that settle in.
Quote from: Anoobass on June 25, 2014, 01:39:49 PM
Lands not adding up,
Darksteel citadel is 242/269
Sliver hive is 247/269
Radiant fountain is blacked out
And basics start at 250/269
This means there will be at least 5 more lands to be spoiled.
I have to go to work but I'll let that settle in.
So fetches??? Lol or Checks :D either way I like them both!!
Quote from: Anoobass on June 25, 2014, 01:39:49 PM
Lands not adding up,
Darksteel citadel is 242/269
Sliver hive is 247/269
Radiant fountain is blacked out
And basics start at 250/269
This means there will be at least 5 more lands to be spoiled.
I have to go to work but I'll let that settle in.
Check lands? The enemy color Scar lands?
Going by the name/number Crunch, it wont be any cycle we know of unless there's another non-cycle land in the mix. We wont know for sure until all the artifacts are spoiled, since we need to know if Darksteel Citadel is the first Non-Basic Land, since the collector numbers are always assigned by Color, then in alphabetical order. If it's /not/ then we could plausibly see Fetch lands or Check lands, since one card in each cycle would come before Citadel on the list.
242 - Darksteel Citadel
243
244
245 - (Radiant Fountain?)
246 - (Radiant Fountain?)
247 - Sliver Hive
248
249
250+ Basics
Quote from: Taysby on June 25, 2014, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Remillo on June 25, 2014, 03:34:38 AM
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/nissaworldwaker.jpg)
She doesn't just completely suck!
so she costs 1? I didn't like her until I read her ultimate. now I love her!
Her first +1 and ultimate don't say till end of turn. There are going to be some hella rad ways to use that. Sac outlets and playing land from graveyards...
Quote from: Remillo on June 25, 2014, 02:01:09 PM
Going by the name/number Crunch, it wont be any cycle we know of unless there's another non-cycle land in the mix. We wont know for sure until all the artifacts are spoiled, since we need to know if Darksteel Citadel is the first Non-Basic Land, since the collector numbers are always assigned by Color, then in alphabetical order. If it's /not/ then we could plausibly see Fetch lands or Check lands, since one card in each cycle would come before Citadel on the list.
242 - Darksteel Citadel
243
244
245 - (Radiant Fountain?)
246 - (Radiant Fountain?)
247 - Sliver Hive
248
249
250+ Basics
Also, to follow-up on this, it wont be the usual Allied checks. Because then it would look like this:
242 - Darksteel Citadel
243 - Dragonskull Summit
244 - Drowned Catacombs
245 - Glacial Fortress
246 - Radiant Fountain
246.5 - Rootbound Crag
247 - Sliver Hive
248 - Sunpetal Grove
249 - ?
250+ Basics
It's going to be the enemy colored Scarlands, ie {Darkslick Shores}
Quote from: particle on June 25, 2014, 12:48:45 PM
maybe garruk just in the lore?
MaRo says there will be 6 walkers, so we will likely be getting a {B}{G} Garruk.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: particle on June 25, 2014, 12:48:45 PM
maybe garruk just in the lore?
MaRo says there will be 6 walkers, so we will likely be getting a {B}{G} Garruk.
I'm thinking colorless more and more... They are using a lot of grey color with the advertising.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 25, 2014, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 25, 2014, 11:44:29 AM
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(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/nissaworldwaker.jpg)
She doesn't just completely suck!
so she costs 1? I didn't like her until I read her ultimate. now I love her!
Her first +1 and ultimate don't say till end of turn. There are going to be some hella rad ways to use that. Sac outlets and playing land from graveyards...
Fine ultimate her... As soon as your done putting them on the battlefield and pass turn.. Before the end of your turn... {Fated Retribution}! Say bye bye
{Soul of Theros} is preordering at $12 on SCG, the second most expensive card behind {Soul of New Phyrexia} which is $15.....{Soul of Theros} is not worth that much....
Her first plus one makes {darksteel citadel} very playable
Quote from: Taysby on June 25, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
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Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 25, 2014, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 25, 2014, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Remillo on June 25, 2014, 03:34:38 AM
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/nissaworldwaker.jpg)
She doesn't just completely suck!
so she costs 1? I didn't like her until I read her ultimate. now I love her!
Her first +1 and ultimate don't say till end of turn. There are going to be some hella rad ways to use that. Sac outlets and playing land from graveyards...
Fine ultimate her... As soon as your done putting them on the battlefield and pass turn.. Before the end of your turn... {Fated Retribution}! Say bye bye
I wish her art didn't suck though...
I love the edrazi monuments behind her
Someone pointed this out and I think its interesting: There is a possibility we will see a colorless Karn instead of a Garruk in M15, because all of the Souls correspond to the walkers so far.
{Soul of Theros}={Ajani, the Steadfast} who just left Theros
{Soul of Ravnica}=Jace, who is the guildpact and has the guildpact in his new art
{Soul of Innistrad}={Liliana Vess} who just left Inninstrad after killing Griselbrand
{Soul of Shandalaar}={Chandra, Pyromaster} she hasn't been in the story much, but that is where all core sets take place
{Soul of Zendikar}={Nissa, Worldwaker} from Zendikar
{Soul of New Phyrexia}=Karn, the only planeswalker that is colorless and also conveniently from Mirrodin which is New Phyrexia.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
Someone pointed this out and I think its interesting: There is a possibility we will see a colorless Karn instead of a Garruk in M15, because all of the Souls correspond to the walkers so far.
{Soul of Theros}={Ajani, the Steadfast} who just left Theros
{Soul of Ravnica}=Jace, who is the guildpact and has the guildpact in his new art
{Soul of Innistrad}={Liliana Vess} who just left Inninstrad after killing Griselbrand
{Soul of Shandalaar}={Chandra, Pyromaster} she hasn't been in the story much, but that is where all core sets take place
{Soul of Zendikar}={Nissa, Worldwaker} from Zendikar
{Soul of New Phyrexia}=Karn, the only planeswalker that is colorless and also conveniently from Mirrodin which is New Phyrexia.
I don't see this happening. Why wouldn't they have Garruck? He is the planeswalker that is being promoted with the set. Chandra was m14 she got a new version of her. M13 was with {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}. Everything with the promo for m15 is Garruck veil cursed coming after PWs. Also the teaching decks that the stores get don't have karn on them.. Just ajani, jace, lili, Chandra, nissa and Garruck.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/59/870/635391279972661258.png)
Favorite card in the set, without even reading anything besides the name.
Hey look, the text is pretty funny too. (I actually didn't read it before linking, no joke)
Quote from: Avnger345 on June 25, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
Someone pointed this out and I think its interesting: There is a possibility we will see a colorless Karn instead of a Garruk in M15, because all of the Souls correspond to the walkers so far.
{Soul of Theros}={Ajani, the Steadfast} who just left Theros
{Soul of Ravnica}=Jace, who is the guildpact and has the guildpact in his new art
{Soul of Innistrad}={Liliana Vess} who just left Inninstrad after killing Griselbrand
{Soul of Shandalaar}={Chandra, Pyromaster} she hasn't been in the story much, but that is where all core sets take place
{Soul of Zendikar}={Nissa, Worldwaker} from Zendikar
{Soul of New Phyrexia}=Karn, the only planeswalker that is colorless and also conveniently from Mirrodin which is New Phyrexia.
I don't see this happening. Why wouldn't they have Garruck? He is the planeswalker that is being promoted with the set. Chandra was m14 she got a new version of her. M13 was with {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}. Everything with the promo for m15 is Garruck veil cursed coming after PWs. Also the teaching decks that the stores get don't have karn on them.. Just ajani, jace, lili, Chandra, nissa and Garruck.
There is a "Defeat A God" type thing with Garruk in it, so that may be it. I am not saying this is likely, just saying its a possibility.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 25, 2014, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 25, 2014, 11:44:29 AM
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(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/nissaworldwaker.jpg)
She doesn't just completely suck!
so she costs 1? I didn't like her until I read her ultimate. now I love her!
Her first +1 and ultimate don't say till end of turn. There are going to be some hella rad ways to use that. Sac outlets and playing land from graveyards...
These are also colorless too! Man, I'm keen for green!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
Someone pointed this out and I think its interesting: There is a possibility we will see a colorless Karn instead of a Garruk in M15, because all of the Souls correspond to the walkers so far.
{Soul of Theros}={Ajani, the Steadfast} who just left Theros
{Soul of Ravnica}=Jace, who is the guildpact and has the guildpact in his new art
{Soul of Innistrad}={Liliana Vess} who just left Inninstrad after killing Griselbrand
{Soul of Shandalaar}={Chandra, Pyromaster} she hasn't been in the story much, but that is where all core sets take place
{Soul of Zendikar}={Nissa, Worldwaker} from Zendikar
{Soul of New Phyrexia}=Karn, the only planeswalker that is colorless and also conveniently from Mirrodin which is New Phyrexia.
Why not koth? He was from mirrodin and during the invasion. Also a planeswalker.
Quote from: Infektor on June 25, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 25, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
Someone pointed this out and I think its interesting: There is a possibility we will see a colorless Karn instead of a Garruk in M15, because all of the Souls correspond to the walkers so far.
{Soul of Theros}={Ajani, the Steadfast} who just left Theros
{Soul of Ravnica}=Jace, who is the guildpact and has the guildpact in his new art
{Soul of Innistrad}={Liliana Vess} who just left Inninstrad after killing Griselbrand
{Soul of Shandalaar}={Chandra, Pyromaster} she hasn't been in the story much, but that is where all core sets take place
{Soul of Zendikar}={Nissa, Worldwaker} from Zendikar
{Soul of New Phyrexia}=Karn, the only planeswalker that is colorless and also conveniently from Mirrodin which is New Phyrexia.
Why not koth? He was from mirrodin and during the invasion. Also a planeswalker.
Not colorless
^ interesting, I was wondering because even including the mythic sliver leaves is short on the #of mythics
New Avacyn!!!!!!!
Is that a guess or legit Mattao?
And {Perilous Vault} 4 mana artifact
{5} and sac it exile ALL nonland permanents
Quote from: VQMracing on June 26, 2014, 12:49:35 AM
Is that a guess or legit Mattao?
Legit!!!
2WWW
Legendary
Flying Vigilence
1W prevent all dam from colour of your choice to another target creature
5WW Same thing but player
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 26, 2014, 12:50:19 AM
And {Perilous Vault} 4 mana artifact
{5} and sac it exile ALL nonland permanents
EDH PLAYABLE!!!!
We also have a cycle of legendary creatures, one per color. We r missing the red. There is a white angel, blue wizard, black demon, and a green human...I'm thinking the red will be a dragon, sense all the other ones were the main creature type among the colors.
Is avacyn kinda eh to you guys?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 26, 2014, 01:12:15 AM
I'm excited for the red legendary creature! Hmmm. Wonder who it'll be, my hope is for a new type of a {Kazuul, tyrant of cliff}. Maybe a {Krenko, mob boss} , perhaps with a built in {skirk prospector}
I really think it may be a dragon, sense we have a set coming up that is most likely going to have a dragon theme or sub theme. And also they just spoiled crucible of fire yesterday...so even further evidence for dragons.
Yeah new Avacyn sucks
Alright, Speculation time. I know that two cards does not a cycle make, but it just got me. We have Ob Nixilis and Avacyn in new forms. They also correspond to two big characters from two planes that also have souls, and are also in an enemy color from the color of their respective Soul. So, this leads me to believe that if we follow the Arrows, we'll get three more legends to complete this cycle. We'll have a Red legend from Theros, a Blue legend from Shandalar and a Green legend from Ravnica, since those are the enemy colors that end up working. Now, the problem here is that we didn't actually have major characters from Ravnica or Theros in those colors. Purphoros was the only Mono-Red Legend from Theros block, actually. Maybe they'll give us a Mono-Red Legendary Minotaur? Who knows. Shandalar is pretty easy to work with, since it's a plane where they can just make things up.
Just things to think about!
Quote from: Forbidyourways on June 26, 2014, 01:26:19 AM
Yeah new Avacyn sucks
Not really a fan either, original avacyn is substantially better
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 02:52:59 AM
Alright, Speculation time. I know that two cards does not a cycle make, but it just got me. We have Ob Nixilis and Avacyn in new forms. They also correspond to two big characters from two planes that also have souls, and are also in an enemy color from the color of their respective Soul. So, this leads me to believe that if we follow the Arrows, we'll get three more legends to complete this cycle. We'll have a Red legend from Theros, a Blue legend from Shandalar and a Green legend from Ravnica, since those are the enemy colors that end up working. Now, the problem here is that we didn't actually have major characters from Ravnica or Theros in those colors. Purphoros was the only Mono-Red Legend from Theros block, actually. Maybe they'll give us a Mono-Red Legendary Minotaur? Who knows. Shandalar is pretty easy to work with, since it's a plane where they can just make things up.
Just things to think about!
I love the speculation that u come up with man! You go deep! With the lands like u were saying also. Now let's hope u are correct!
Quote from: S717 on June 26, 2014, 03:34:37 AM
Quote from: Forbidyourways on June 26, 2014, 01:26:19 AM
Yeah new Avacyn sucks
Not really a fan either, original avacyn is substantially better
Good for devotion though
I'm sorry but...Nissa, Sorin, {Soul of Zendikar}, Ob Nixilis, Perilous Vault (which is a hedron)....this core set is hinting WAY too strongly towards Zendikar. We are going to see a return to Zendikar, or at least the fetches, soon.
Sorin was last on Innistrad
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 26, 2014, 03:46:57 PM
I'm sorry but...Nissa, Sorin, {Soul of Zendikar}, Ob Nixilis, Perilous Vault (which is a hedron)....this core set is hinting WAY too strongly towards Zendikar. We are going to see a return to Zendikar, or at least the fetches, soon.
Yeah, block after Kahns IMO I'm ready π
Sorry to dash your hopes, but MaRo has said that the next block after Tarkir (with Codenames "Huey, Dewey and Louie") will be a new plane.
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Sorry to dash your hopes, but MaRo has said that the next block after Tarkir (with Codenames "Huey, Dewey and Louie") will be a new plane.
I thought this block was Huey Dewey Louie
Quote from: Quisequise on June 26, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Sorry to dash your hopes, but MaRo has said that the next block after Tarkir (with Codenames "Huey, Dewey and Louie") will be a new plane.
I thought this block was Huey Dewey Louie
Nope, this one is Friends, Romans, Countrymen
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: Quisequise on June 26, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Sorry to dash your hopes, but MaRo has said that the next block after Tarkir (with Codenames "Huey, Dewey and Louie") will be a new plane.
I thought this block was Huey Dewey Louie
Nope, this one is Friends, Romans, Countrymen
You got this all backwards.
Friends Romans Countrymen was Theros block
Tarkir is the new plane
And I'm almost positive the code names were Huey Dewey Louie
And after this block is blood, sweat, and tears
RIghto. My brain is still living a year ago. I do think that, although Zendikar was a cool setting, a return to Zendikar is unlikely, just because of the nature of the storyline. The Eldrazi are ravaging what's left of Zendikar since they can't exactly get anywhere else. Going back would be... Well, it'd be a wasteland unless Sorin somehow finds Ugin and his Lithomancer buddy to seal them away. For the third time. And even then, the plane wouldn't be the same at all.
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
RIghto. My brain is still living a year ago. I do think that, although Zendikar was a cool setting, a return to Zendikar is unlikely, just because of the nature of the storyline. The Eldrazi are ravaging what's left of Zendikar since they can't exactly get anywhere else. Going back would be... Well, it'd be a wasteland unless Sorin somehow finds Ugin and his Lithomancer buddy to seal them away. For the third time. And even then, the plane wouldn't be the same at all.
But nissa is still there fighting isn't she?
I mean I just don't know they'll leave it sitting to long for time to pass because yeah then there wouldn't be any hope left. I guess.
I don't think I want any more of my favorite walkers to end up deayadddd
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
RIghto. My brain is still living a year ago. I do think that, although Zendikar was a cool setting, a return to Zendikar is unlikely, just because of the nature of the storyline. The Eldrazi are ravaging what's left of Zendikar since they can't exactly get anywhere else. Going back would be... Well, it'd be a wasteland unless Sorin somehow finds Ugin and his Lithomancer buddy to seal them away. For the third time. And even then, the plane wouldn't be the same at all.
Nissa, Sorin and Gideon are all trying to find their Superfriends so they can fight the Eldrazi and Kiora fled Zendikar because of the Eldrazi. I can totally see some storyline where everyone unites to take down the Titans. It's a situation where "all roads lead to Zendikar".
Plus MaRo said that Zendikar is his favorite block and that everyone took to the zendikar block the best. He talks VERY highly of it and he said the golden time to revisit a plane is around 5-7 years... Well boys and girls... It's about that time... The way you talks about it, there's no way that we will not revisit it.
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 26, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 26, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
RIghto. My brain is still living a year ago. I do think that, although Zendikar was a cool setting, a return to Zendikar is unlikely, just because of the nature of the storyline. The Eldrazi are ravaging what's left of Zendikar since they can't exactly get anywhere else. Going back would be... Well, it'd be a wasteland unless Sorin somehow finds Ugin and his Lithomancer buddy to seal them away. For the third time. And even then, the plane wouldn't be the same at all.
But nissa is still there fighting isn't she?
I mean I just don't know they'll leave it sitting to long for time to pass because yeah then there wouldn't be any hope left. I guess.
I don't think I want any more of my favorite walkers to end up deayadddd
Read this article.. There is a lot about Zen. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/checking-planeswalkers-2014-06-16
Breaking news:
{Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth} reprint!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/magic-2015/23219-urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth
{preeminent captain} can pull in brimaz and precinct captain
That'll be neat
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 26, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
{preeminent captain} can pull in brimaz and precinct captain
That'll be neat
Also, Fencing Ace and a TON of random Boros dudes.
Holy crap on the Urborg reprint, though.
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on June 26, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
{preeminent captain} can pull in brimaz and precinct captain
That'll be neat
And {Spark Trooper} 8)
Alright, so having Urborg added to the crunch at 248
239
240
241
242 - Darksteel Citadel
243
244
245
246 - Radiant Fountain
247 - Sliver Hive
248 - Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
249
250+ Basics
According to some crunches, there are three slots above citadel. This leaves room for a 5-land cycle and two more lands (unless there aren't any above Citadel).
Assuming 249 is a reprinted land, these are the possible ones they could reprint in that slot (Previously at Rare/Uncommon, Not part of a Cycle, Not on the Reserve List, not quite Story-centric):
{Urza's Factory}
{Vesuva}
{Wasteland} (NOT HAPPENING)
{Wintermoon Mesa}
{Zoetic Cavern}
Of these, the Factory and Vesuva are the most plausible. I'm hoping for Vesuva.
Oh god I would love wasteland reprint, I know it won't. But could you imagine standard with it lol?
Pain lands reprint:
{Battlefield Forge}
{Caves of Koilos}
{Yavimaya Coast}
{Shivan Reef}
{Llanowar Wastes}
Yeah, my theory just exploded the same day I posted it! Enemy Painlands are back. That's interesting.
Also adds to the theory that khans is wedges :)
Although, is anyone else hoping we may be getting more garuanteed mythics/box with so many in the set. I mean, 6 PWs, 6 avatars, and another artifact. That really is too much in my opinion for only the garuanteed 3 per box.
13 mythics and 38 rares atm, how many cards per sheet again?
Quote from: Infektor on June 26, 2014, 08:55:11 PM
Oh god I would love wasteland reprint, I know it won't. But could you imagine standard with it lol?
Screw standard. Imagine modern
Really pushing green... Life's Legacy anyone??
Pain lands are :/, but the rest of the set is still amazing and, assuming we get some good lands in Khans, I can forgive Wizards.
(CRASH)
Anyone hear that?
That was {Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth} price dropping
Reprint m15
Bought {sliver hive} presale playset for $12.50.
*fingers crossed
Quote from: cltrn81 on June 26, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
Bought {sliver hive} presale playset for $12.50.
*fingers crossed
Is anyone presaling foils yet? I want to pick up a playset if I can, they are only going to go up unless reprinted.
Think pain lands will go up in value now?
Quote from: bravado883 on June 26, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Bought some {Perilous Vault}s. Soooo good. Exiling all non-land permanents though me hope for some man-land or ability-lands in Khans.
So...my UB mana-base is what? Like, 4 Temple of Deceit, 3 Urborg, 13 Island and 6 Swamp? I don't know man, geez. Cool set so far, and I don't even know what Jace does yet.
I am just afraid of the {Perilous Vault}, {Academy Ruins} lock decks in EDH.
Cltrn: yes
Eww...{Phyotitan}+{Life's Legacy}.....
{Whip of Erebos}+{Life's Legacy}....
Pain lands! I knew it!!!!
Jace is meh:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_huddvvv39d.png)
Jace changes hairstyles like a white girl.
Iffy about this jace
Sliver can clear board
Holy f*&^! I am definitely making a standard sliver deck now. I need a playset of foil {Constricting Sliver}s.
Quote from: Avnger345 on June 27, 2014, 12:09:48 AM
Iffy about this jace
Ult is nice though. Replenish your library and get 7 cards while opponent has to wait for top decking.
{Torpor Orb} with Flash
On a 2/1 Evasive body
For three mana.
I'll take twenty.
Quote from: Remillo on June 27, 2014, 12:17:45 AM
{Torpor Orb} with Flash
On a 2/1 Evasive body
For three mana.
I'll take twenty.
The flavor text speaks of Gavony. Does this (among others, such as Ob Nixilis) mean that core sets don't take place on Shandalar anymore?
Do we know what the buy a box promo is yet?
Quote from: Spikepit on June 27, 2014, 12:43:38 AM
Do we know what the buy a box promo is yet?
{Goblin Rabblemaster}
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/fdc0dc2d08997b8d72ace927c8841194/tumblr_n7t4xbeoO11tophcho1_500.jpg)
Cheers brother.
I think this is the most apt description of the new Jace that I have found: "Nissa Revane and Tibalt now have company on the island of misfit PWs." This is the first bad Jace ever. The + should at least net a card, the negative is kind of overcosted (it takes 3 turns of durdling to {Disperse}), the ultimate is amazing, but it would be nice if Jace did something while you built him up.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 27, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
Quote from: Remillo on June 27, 2014, 12:17:45 AM
{Torpor Orb} with Flash
On a 2/1 Evasive body
For three mana.
I'll take twenty.
The flavor text speaks of Gavony. Does this (among others, such as Ob Nixilis) mean that core sets don't take place on Shandalar anymore?
M13 technically took place on Ravnica, even though Odric was from Innistrad.
As for Jace, he's solid. He controls draw quality, especially late-game where you don't want lands. Controls problematic permanents, and has an Ult that basically just wins the game if no one else has anything relevant on the board. Sure, his + doesn't net a card and it's closer to scrying, but, hey, neither did Architect of Thought's.
AoT was only really used for his -2 though. +1 was used if u wanted to -2 again, lol. But this jace is just...meh... No other way to say it.
You know, I was told by many when it was spoiled that Kiora was crap.... Until khans comes out, and we can see how it interacts with the new meta, we can't be so sure... We may just be Surprised....
Tis true, maybe with steadfast he might be a little better.
Honestly so far my favorite card is Indulgent Tormentor
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 27, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
I think this is the most apt description of the new Jace that I have found: "Nissa Revane and Tibalt now have company on the island of misfit PWs." This is the first bad Jace ever. The + should at least net a card, the negative is kind of overcosted (it takes 3 turns of durdling to {Disperse}), the ultimate is amazing, but it would be nice if Jace did something while you built him up.
Agreed. Hopefully they can put Jace to rest now.
Quote from: Spikepit on June 27, 2014, 05:57:27 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 27, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
I think this is the most apt description of the new Jace that I have found: "Nissa Revane and Tibalt now have company on the island of misfit PWs." This is the first bad Jace ever. The + should at least net a card, the negative is kind of overcosted (it takes 3 turns of durdling to {Disperse}), the ultimate is amazing, but it would be nice if Jace did something while you built him up.
Agreed. Hopefully they can put Jace to rest now.
The best part of this Jace is the ultimate, just because your opponent has no cards in hand...
Holy {Sunblade Elf}! Damnit! Now I have to put fetches in my girlfriend's Modern Elf deck. He's like another {Nettle Sentinel}, just less combo-y, but still brings a lot to the table.
Quote from: Forbidyourways on June 27, 2014, 02:20:35 AM
Honestly so far my favorite card is Indulgent Tormentor
I know right? Monoblack has the most ridiculous curve now:
T1-{Thoughtsieze}
t2-{Brain Maggot}
T3-{Master of the Feast}
T4-{Desecration Demon}
T5-{Indulgent Tormenter} GG?
Just throwing it out there, I kinda like Jace for standard. His +1 is just pseudo scry 2, his -3 is really pretty cool, and his ult is just too much to handle. I really like that he is an answer (in a way) to Elspeth/Kiora if you're having trouble keeping them from ultimating. +1 "filter your next draw" is not as bad as it looks, I don't think. I'll definitely run several of him.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 27, 2014, 12:10:39 PM
That +1 will be a good way to put something in the grave for reanimated I guess...
i think it may be used more as a get rid of the land that i dont need anymore and fix my draws.
Quote from: Noblellama on June 27, 2014, 01:18:46 PM
Also fixed by just getting rid of jace....:)
Lmao so much win in that comment
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 27, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
My friend already preordered a foil one for his {Maralen of the Mornsong} EDH
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 27, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
IMO he's overhyped. EDH is the only thing he's good in. In modern, with ramp, you'll get him out around turn four. If someone needs to use fetches by after that and they're not playing some sort of control, they're doing it wrong*. His second ability is meh, not really overwhelming. He is also easily removed in all formats, and in standard his first ability is only relevant if they reprint fetches (don't get me wrong, I want fetches).
*-I can't think of another reason, correct me if I'm wrong though
Quote from: CrackaLacka on June 27, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 27, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
IMO he's overhyped. EDH is the only thing he's good in. In modern, with ramp, you'll get him out around turn four. If someone needs to use fetches by after that and they're not playing some sort of control, they're doing it wrong*. His second ability is meh, not really overwhelming. He is also easily removed in all formats, and in standard his first ability is only relevant if they reprint fetches (don't get me wrong, I want fetches).
*-I can't think of another reason, correct me if I'm wrong though
Reanimator can get him out faster. Sure, he's not usually as good of a target as Griselbrand, but is just as effective as Aven Mindcensor against things like Pod. And unlike Mindcensor, he can close out the game much fast.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 27, 2014, 10:49:47 AM
Quote from: Forbidyourways on June 27, 2014, 02:20:35 AM
Honestly so far my favorite card is Indulgent Tormentor
I know right? Monoblack has the most ridiculous curve now:
T1-{Thoughtsieze}
t2-{Brain Maggot}
T3-{Master of the Feast}
T4-{Desecration Demon}
T5-{Indulgent Tormenter} GG?
i thought turn 5 was {gray merchant of asphodel}.
So uhh, Naya zoo for standard anyone?
So uhhhh, why?
Affinity has to be coming back " all artifacts have convoke? New affinity for standard yeah!
Quote from: CrackaLacka on June 27, 2014, 08:29:09 PM
So uhhhh, why?
The curve is all right now. You have that elf, soldier, or elvish T1
T2 Fleecemane or Sylvan
T3-T4 anything you want; Polukranos, Stormbreath, Terra stomper.
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 27, 2014, 12:08:25 PM
Just throwing it out there, I kinda like Jace for standard. His +1 is just pseudo scry 2, his -3 is really pretty cool, and his ult is just too much to handle. I really like that he is an answer (in a way) to Elspeth/Kiora if you're having trouble keeping them from ultimating. +1 "filter your next draw" is not as bad as it looks, I don't think. I'll definitely run several of him.
I like him, not into your hand, but allows you to filter through your library quick. I think it combos well with {seinsei top} and the like...his - is good, period, and his ultimate slows your opponents that much more.
Quote from: Vindog on June 27, 2014, 08:42:03 PM
Affinity has to be coming back " all artifacts have convoke? New affinity for standard yeah!
Except standard "Affinity" will be too slow because that means you need to tap down your guys for to pay the mana cost
So just informing everyone of my playtesting. Jace isn't bad if you use him correctly, you need {kiora, the crashing wave} to protect him. {Courser of kruphix} also helps as you just leave a land on top, then play it. He also serves as a shield to keep jace alive till the ultimate. Also, Ajani -2 can help. Only problem is after rotation, {simic charm} can't protect him from {heroes downfall}. More playtesting to be done, but so far, not as bad as first thought.
According to MaRo, we were supposed to get {Liliana of the Veil} in M15, but she was taken out because development felt she was too strong.
WHY?!?!?! WE NEEDED A REPRINT!!!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 28, 2014, 01:09:37 AM
According to MaRo, we were supposed to get {Liliana of the Veil} in M15, but she was taken out because development felt she was too strong.
I don't know about to strong. She is really powerful but in the standard meta she is not broken.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 28, 2014, 01:12:58 AM
WHY?!?!?! WE NEEDED A REPRINT!!!
Yes, but we would have a "Black Summer" were the only deck in standard would be Mono-black.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 28, 2014, 01:13:59 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 28, 2014, 01:12:58 AM
WHY?!?!?! WE NEEDED A REPRINT!!!
Yes, but we would have a "Black Summer" were the only deck in standard would be Mono-black.
I guess waste not + Lilly is op.
Do they do weekend spoilers? I can't remember
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 28, 2014, 02:15:11 AM
Do they do weekend spoilers? I can't remember
The Mothership doesn't, but we might get something spoiled or leaked through another site.
I feel like a crack addict. "Hey guys *scratches arm* got any spoilers. I could reallllly use just a little...."
This core set is pretty awesome compared to the last two IMO
Quote from: Anoobass on June 26, 2014, 09:19:34 PM
Although, is anyone else hoping we may be getting more garuanteed mythics/box with so many in the set. I mean, 6 PWs, 6 avatars, and another artifact. That really is too much in my opinion for only the garuanteed 3 per box.
Large sets have 15 mythics, this set is no exception.
Looks like 8 new spoilers. Why does the looter costs 3U to activate? seems really overcosted.
I love the text on {Chief Engineer}. "Your artifacts can help cast those spells." Lol.
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on June 29, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
I love the text on {Chief Engineer}. "Your artifacts can help cast those spells." Lol.
yea thats what all the convoke reminder text says in this set. "your creatures can help cast this spell."
Sounds like something that would help new players understand it I guess
I've been really bummed that we didn't get a Soul of Alara, but then it twigged just then, we kinda already have one in {Child of Alara}, kinda. Anyway, no buggy. Just wanted to get that off my chest. π
Quote from: Spikepit on June 29, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
I've been really bummed that we didn't get a Soul of Alara, but then it twigged just then, we kinda already have one in {Child of Alara}, kinda. Anyway, no buggy. Just wanted to get that off my chest. π
Yeah, but {Child of Alara} is .loving. terrifying....
Rumor has it Garruck gets spoiled Monday. Here's hoping!
My god the new garruk is awesome
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/hunter-2014-06-30
Quote from: Quisequise on June 30, 2014, 12:09:36 AM
My god the new garruk is awesome
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/hunter-2014-06-30
Eff dat lol he's meh at best BUT
WE GET CHORD OF CALLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, while friends and I were cackling over the sheer awesomeness of the new Garruk, the Cockatrice chat went like this:
GUYS, GUYS
STOP TALKING ABOUT GARRUK
CHORD
CHORD
CHORD
CHORD
etc.
Yeah. Star City was preordering them at $6. They're all gone.
Well this is the most value I've seen in a core set in a lonnnnng time
Garruk is meh :/ he is good, but 7 is a bit much. If he were 6 he would be great, but maybe he will still see play in like Jund monsters or something.
Chord though! We have seen a lot of great reprints in this set.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 30, 2014, 12:21:40 AM
Garruk is meh :/ he is good, but 7 is a bit much. If he were 6 he would be great, but maybe he will still see play in like Jund monsters or something.
Chord though! We have seen a lot of great reprints in this set.
My thoughts exactly!! {Chord of Calling} and {Prophet of Kruphix} anyone?
OMG PReeminent captain and Brimaz together in standard!
Dat new chord art ππ Need a foil for EDH so bad
Been needing dem chords! Heck yes!
Quote from: Arbitratur on June 30, 2014, 12:36:27 AM
Been needing dem chords! Heck yes!
SAME!!! I'm so excited and I just can't hide it!!!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 30, 2014, 12:21:40 AM
Garruk is meh :/ he is good, but 7 is a bit much. If he were 6 he would be great, but maybe he will still see play in like Jund monsters or something.
Chord though! We have seen a lot of great reprints in this set.
Mana doesn't matter when you're green, and we still have crypt ghast for now. His cost means nothing!
I'd love to see some ridiculous Mono-Green {Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth} deck come around. Basically play Mono-G, but with {Temple of Malady} and Urborg to splash for {Thoughtseize} and Garruk. It could be hilarious.
I'm sorry {Crypt Ghast} lmfao please!!! And plus not to be a downer but 7 mana is still 7 mana! With 2 Caryatids he comes down T5 and still stuff like {Dissolve} and {Negate} are still there.
Idk I'm sorry bud but he's meh but hey lets hope he proves me wrong!!
That's why u thoughtseize then play him :)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 30, 2014, 01:06:04 AM
That's why u thoughtseize then play him :)
So now were at 8 mana lol
Quote from: GlowackAttack on June 30, 2014, 01:20:20 AM
8 mana for a {Heros Downfall} sounds great to me.
Lol ok well I hope it's as good as y'all say it'll be but I for one will (probably) not be plying it lol
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
I'm sorry {Crypt Ghast} lmfao please!!! And plus not to be a downer but 7 mana is still 7 mana! With 2 Caryatids he comes down T5 and still stuff like {Dissolve} and {Negate} are still there.
Idk I'm sorry bud but he's meh but hey lets hope he proves me wrong!!
He can be out T3 at the fastest, And crypt ghast is a thing; if you're not ready to break out the twenties for Urborg because you don't wanna spend ludicrous amounts of cash, he's your go to budget guy!
The most hilarious thing about Crypt Ghast with Urborg is that it makes all of your lands tap for xB. If Mono-G Urborg with Crypt Ghast were doable, We'd have basic forests tapping for GB
So haven't looked at spoilers for about 4-5 days, come back like HOLY MOTHER OF SAINT TRAFT A CHORD REPRINT
Oh and Garruk is good. But not good enough.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 28, 2014, 01:09:37 AM
According to MaRo, we were supposed to get {Liliana of the Veil} in M15, but she was taken out because development felt she was too strong.
I understand now why we were supposed to get LotV. Other than needing a reprint for cost drop, that is. I'm kind glad we didn't get one now, strangely, after the last few spoilers anyway.
Seems like Wiz is trying to make more in demand cards available
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 30, 2014, 04:19:25 AM
Seems like Wiz is trying to make more in demand cards available
Which is grand, except for when I have to deal with that Veil again. Haha.
Scg just jumped from 6.99 for chord up to 9.99
...
Let's hope wiz makes them pretty widespread like a lot of the goodies in conspiracy
I love that garruk ult though...
Overall, I think he's decent. Won't see standard play, unless there is a way to ramp him or the format slows down.
However, in draft, I think he'll be a powerhouse. Not much can stand up to 3/3 death touch
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 30, 2014, 06:03:34 AM
I love that garruk ult though...
Overall, I think he's decent. Won't see standard play, unless there is a way to ramp him or the format slows down.
However, in draft, I think he'll be a powerhouse. Not much can stand up to 3/3 death touch
All I can say is EDH!
{chord of calling} reprint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT:::: just realized I'm super late to this party lol.....thought I was up early enough to see it but then again, it was 9AM on the east coast lol
This seems to me a card for more casual formats like EDH. Standard currently is too fast, and modern seems like it is a no go. However he is an amazing card, and is going to be a major part of my new {Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord} EDH.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 30, 2014, 09:14:16 AMhe's at least as powerful as {Elspeth, Sun's Champion} in my opinion. New formats are exciting.
-_-
Maybe if his +1 produced 2 Deathtouch boars
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 30, 2014, 01:12:02 PM
Maybe if his +1 produced 2 Deathtouch boars
That would be much better
Quote from: Taysby on June 30, 2014, 03:47:19 PM
why are his eyes not purple like on the box?
It's called Marketing ... Lol
NEW COLOR!
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 23, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
I had a dream last night guys and in my dream I was kinda disappointed bc we got pain lands in M15
(Before you check it was just a dream not official not speculating just a dream :D lol)
Hate to brag guys ....
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 23, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
I had a dream last night guys and in my dream I was kinda disappointed bc we got pain lands in M15
(Before you check it was just a dream not official not speculating just a dream :D lol)
Hate to brag guys ....
Too bad you didn't dream about lotto numbers.
Quote from: Rass on June 30, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 23, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
I had a dream last night guys and in my dream I was kinda disappointed bc we got pain lands in M15
(Before you check it was just a dream not official not speculating just a dream :D lol)
Hate to brag guys ....
Too bad you didn't dream about lotto numbers.
I probably do but with my luck I just forget them in the morning
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 30, 2014, 05:01:49 PM
NEW COLOR!
What do u mean new color? Are they really releasing another color for the color pie?
Meh, bring him out turn 4 :)
{Sylvan Caryatid} into {Crypt Ghast} for turn 3
I'll be retweaking my BWU deck into a BWG.
Liliana of the land finding is great :)
So we kinda know all the mythics now correct? The 6 souls, 6 PWs, perilous vault, and the 2 speculations of the veil artifact and a sliver mythic.
Anyone else not like the new font for the names? :P That's one of the things that jumps out at me most when I look at the spoiler... lol...
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 30, 2014, 08:52:40 PM
Anyone else not like the new font for the names? :P That's one of the things that jumps out at me most when I look at the spoiler... lol...
Really? I thought that was just a proxy issue. That font is terrible.
I don't like the new frame either... maybe I just don't like changes? Seems like they had it ok, but messed with it for no reason...
Proxy issue? ???
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 30, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
I don't like the new frame either... maybe I just don't like changes? Seems like they had it ok, but messed with it for no reason...
Proxy issue? ???
Yeah, a decent amount of the cards spoiled are proxied up, as in not actual copies of the card, but rather generated using a computer program of some sort. I figured they were using a font similar to the official MtG font, but didn't have access to the original.
Quote from: Taysby on June 30, 2014, 08:48:33 PM
well why did i think someone said he was coming down turn 3? i can totally read...
T1 {overgrown tomb} Mystic
T2 Forest -> Caryatid
T3 tap Mystic and Forest for BTE into BTE into Nykthos for 6 {G} then tap Tomb for {B} lol
Just saying lol
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 30, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
I don't like the new frame either... maybe I just don't like changes? Seems like they had it ok, but messed with it for no reason...
I personally feel the same as you, I don't like how the background doesn't fully cover the card anymore as well as the names and layout. I am a firm believer in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Saying.
I have the m15 lands from the Chicago gp.. It's noticeable font change. Will just have to get used to it.
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 30, 2014, 08:48:33 PM
well why did i think someone said he was coming down turn 3? i can totally read...
T1 {overgrown tomb} Mystic
T2 Forest -> Caryatid
T3 tap Mystic and Forest for BTE into BTE into Nykthos for 6 {G} then tap Tomb for {B} lol
Just saying lol
You'd need 2 more mana to activate {Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx}. :-(
BTE extra mana activates nykthos.
Quote from: Anoobass on June 30, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
BTE extra mana activates nykthos.
Oh, gotcha. I missed the BTE into BTE, just read it once. But yeah, that's a pretty stacked hand. Haha!
Most epic combos that go off extremely early are prettying god hands.
I read somewhere that Wizards copyrighted a new font called...
Belerin
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 30, 2014, 10:12:30 PM
I read somewhere that Wizards copyrighted a new font called...
Belerin
Really. That's what they call it...
You know, I've had a revelation, recently. Planeswalkers are an inherently powerful card type, providing awesome advantage when protected well. Since they're powerful, they need to be balanced. So, WotC uses the Planeswalker Uniqueness rule as a balancing factor. To limit the power of "Superfriends"-style decks, they create multiple cards of the same character. Think about it - If Ajani, Mentor of Heroes and Ajani, Steadfast were actually different character, and had different Subtypes, they could potentially be really powerful together.
It's just how the balance it.
Sliver Hivelord.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/sliverhivelord.jpg)
That is all.
Shoulda been a 7/7. 0/10 would play for that flavor fail.
10/10 would play in actual Sliver decks.
I NEED!!!!!
Quote from: Remillo on July 01, 2014, 12:16:33 AM
Sliver Hivelord.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/sliverhivelord.jpg)
That is all.
Shoulda been a 7/7. 0/10 would play for that flavor fail.
10/10 would play in actual Sliver decks.
It could be a 1/1 for all I care. The article says that they tried it as 7/7 but it was too strong. Also, they were concerned that control decks would run it, because with pain lands, you might as well run {Mana Confluence} and a 7/7 indestructible is an amazing finisher.
Guys remember that we can Chord for this!! I'm sorry but I need at least 2 of these in FOIL NOW!!!
Makes complete sense, but it still saddens me.
This guy, though, is amazing -
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/generatorservant.jpg)
Quote from: Remillo on July 01, 2014, 12:35:51 AM
Makes complete sense, but it still saddens me.
This guy, though, is amazing -
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/generatorservant.jpg)
Should have been an uncommon at the least.
Indestructible Sliver! Must have ππ±πππ
Oh maaaaan! Slivers: go away! But now they can't! Ugh, I've always cringed at this subtype/deck type (while still tipping hat at them).
Quote from: Remillo on July 01, 2014, 12:16:33 AM
Sliver Hivelord.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/sliverhivelord.jpg)
Looks like Flaagha from Metroid Prime...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 01, 2014, 04:54:56 AM
Quote from: Remillo on July 01, 2014, 12:16:33 AM
Sliver Hivelord.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/sliverhivelord.jpg)
Looks like Flaagha from Metroid Prime...
I'm glad they look like the old school slivers.. Not predators.
Make them sac a creature then {tragic slip} problem solved
Anyone else have M15 lands from the Chicago GP and notice quite a difference in the card stock? Feels thinner and a bit flimsy. Light test shows a very different pattern in the paper.
Quote from: Taysby on July 01, 2014, 11:06:45 AM
then why do it with pain lands? ;)
Because they aren't .50 cent lands anymore and you would be able to sell more pain lands than ABUR Duals.
Quote from: McAtoms on July 01, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
Anyone else have M15 lands from the Chicago GP and notice quite a difference in the card stock? Feels thinner and a bit flimsy. Light test shows a very different pattern in the paper.
I've got a bunch of them
https://twitter.com/maro254/status/484144579843604481
Oh snazzle... Pseudo-ancestral recall for red...
But it costs 3... The good thing about {Ancestral Recall} is the mana/draw ratio.
Ah well. I get his point.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 01, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
https://twitter.com/maro254/status/484144579843604481
Oh snazzle... Pseudo-ancestral recall for red...
I am not convinced this is better than {browbeat}
Because red isn't good enough already? This and {Aggressive Mining} might cause burn decks to come back with a vengeance.
Also, all of da flavor. Regardless of playability it's a sweet card.
Quote from: LordJanova on July 01, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
Also, all of da flavor. Regardless of playability it's a sweet card.
Isn't playability kind of a prerequisite in order to be a sweet card?
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 01, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: LordJanova on July 01, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
Also, all of da flavor. Regardless of playability it's a sweet card.
Isn't playability kind of a prerequisite in order to be a sweet card?
I stand corrected, it's a sweet LOOKING card. ;)
We still have one land unspoiled, I wonder what it will be. It is something between {Darksteel Citadel} and {Llanowar Wastes} alphabetically. My money is on some sort of {Rupture Spire} or {Shimmering Grotto} variant.
Maybe a fetch badic
The Veil!
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/thechainveil.html
Quote from: Rasser on July 02, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
The Veil!
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/thechainveil.html
Sweet mother of super friends...
Quote from: Rasser on July 02, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
The Veil!
http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/thechainveil.html
Holy Sh*t!!!!! that card is bonkers.
{Xenagos, the Reveler}, {Tezzeret the Seeker}, Chain Veil, {Voltaic Key} and six or more creatures.
Activate Xenagos for 6 mana, use the Chain Veil (2 floating), Activate Key to untap Chain Veil (1 floating), activate Tezzeret to untap Veil and Key. Rinse and repeat, netting 1 mana and 1 counter on both walkers each time.
And that's just from 20 seconds of thinking about the card.
Love it.
Quote from: Remillo on July 02, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
{Xenagos, the Reveler}, {Tezzeret the Seeker}, Chain Veil, {Voltaic Key} and six or more creatures.
Activate Xenagos for 6 mana, use the Chain Veil (2 floating), Activate Key to untap Chain Veil (1 floating), activate Tezzeret to untap Veil and Key. Rinse and repeat, netting 1 mana and 1 counter on both walkers each time.
And that's just from 20 seconds of thinking about the card.
Love it.
And now my brain works correctly and realizes you don't even need the key. In Standard, just go Xenagos, Ral Zarek, some creatures and Chain Veil and you get shenanigans
Wow The Chain Veil is amazing finally being able to use planeswalker abilities on opponents turns I love it
So I just realized, {ral zerik} + the new Nissa + the new veil artifact equals standard infinite combo! Take all the turns u want!
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 01:38:10 AM
Wow The Chain Veil is amazing finally being able to use planeswalker abilities on opponents turns I love it
Nooope. Chain Veil is more akin to effects that say, like, "You may cast that card this turn." You still have to obey normal timing restrictions, meaning you can still only activate the loyalty abilities when you normally could, so on your turn, during a main phase with nothing else on the stack.
PW abilities on opponents turn = Kiora ultimate after she's out for one turn.
That would be stupid
You can just pay the 4 on there turn tap it and use PW abilities it doesn't say only on your turn
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 02:15:16 AM
You can just pay the 4 on there turn tap it and use PW abilities it doesn't say only on your turn
Right, it says you may activate there ability. When can you activate a planeswalkers abilitys?...only on your turn as a sorcery. So there for you can only do it on your turn.
So you still have to pay it's loyalty cost right? Like you can't just ult a PW right?
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 02, 2014, 02:19:02 AM
So you still have to pay it's loyalty cost right? Like you can't just ult a PW right?
Correct, you still are using the loyalty points, the card basically is just allowing you to use your pw twice on your turn
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 01, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
We still have one land unspoiled, I wonder what it will be. It is something between {Darksteel Citadel} and {Llanowar Wastes} alphabetically. My money is on some sort of {Rupture Spire} or {Shimmering Grotto} variant.
{gaea's cradle} fits. Haha oh well one can dream:(
Quote from: VQMracing on July 02, 2014, 02:21:41 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 01, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
We still have one land unspoiled, I wonder what it will be. It is something between {Darksteel Citadel} and {Llanowar Wastes} alphabetically. My money is on some sort of {Rupture Spire} or {Shimmering Grotto} variant.
{gaea's cradle} fits. Haha oh well one can dream:(
{Karakas} DOES TOO!!!
For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn. So meaning this turn (opponents turn) cause your not using a loyalty ability on there turn you can the wording doesn't state only on your turn
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 02:25:23 AM
For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn. So meaning this turn (opponents turn) cause your not using a loyalty ability on there turn you can the wording doesn't state only on your turn
Compare it to {Chandra, Pyromaster}'s 0 ability, since it's the same basic principle. It simply states that you can cast/activate the give thing until end of turn. It doesn't say that you can bypass normal timing restrictions, so you can only activate/cast any time you normally could. Now, it'd be different if it simply said "You may activate a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control.", which would be more akin to something like {Memory Plunder}, since this allows you to cast/activate immediately as part of the resolution of the ability. If the effect instructs you to do it right then, it bypasses timing. If it says "Until end of turn", "This turn" or "As long as ___ Remains on the battlefield" ({Intet the Dreamer}), then you're bound by when you could normally use it.
Sorry if I'm incoherent, it's late and I'm tired and trying to explain things.
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 02:25:23 AM
For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn. So meaning this turn (opponents turn) cause your not using a loyalty ability on there turn you can the wording doesn't state only on your turn
This is from the actual magic rules-
306.5d Each planeswalker has a number of loyalty abilities, which are activated abilities with loyalty symbols in their costs. Loyalty abilities follow special rules: A player may activate a loyalty ability of a permanent he or she controls any time he or she has priority and the stack is empty during a main phase of his or her turn...
The artifact ONLY let's you use the abilitys as though you have not done it this turn, effectively letting you use there ability twice on your turn. But at no point does it let you use the ability on the opponents turn.
I don't know guys the wording is janky you control the walkers on there turn in which you haven't used any loyalty abilities and chain veil allows you to
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 02, 2014, 02:24:49 AM
Quote from: VQMracing on July 02, 2014, 02:21:41 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 01, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
We still have one land unspoiled, I wonder what it will be. It is something between {Darksteel Citadel} and {Llanowar Wastes} alphabetically. My money is on some sort of {Rupture Spire} or {Shimmering Grotto} variant.
{gaea's cradle} fits. Haha oh well one can dream:(
{Karakas} DOES TOO!!!
The cradle is reserved. Karakas is not
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 03:27:58 AM
I don't know guys the wording is janky you control the walkers on there turn in which you haven't used any loyalty abilities and chain veil allows you to
It's not janky, it just may not be as specific as you would like. Playing magic has an implied understanding that you understand the rules, basic timing and the stack.
The post right above yours has the rules for you. The timing is explicitly stated in there. Activating the veil on someone else's turn will not override this.
I have been waiting for a chain veil like card that lets you use PW abilities more than once. Now I gotta build a super friends deck!
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 01, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: McAtoms on July 01, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
Anyone else have M15 lands from the Chicago GP and notice quite a difference in the card stock? Feels thinner and a bit flimsy. Light test shows a very different pattern in the paper.
I've got a bunch of them
Have you noticed a difference in the paper or am I crazy?
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 07:59:52 AM
I have been waiting for a chain veil like card that lets you use PW abilities more than once. Now I gotta build a super friends deck!
Oh look, 28 planeswalkers just came in via trades, who would have thought...
Psychic, KILL THE WITCH!
MURDER HIM!
It can still only be used at sorcery speed
Update: judge says it won't work https://twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816 (one additional activation per turn max, I suppose).ο»Ώ
Quote from: Chargingswadger on July 02, 2014, 10:06:35 AM
It can still only be used at sorcery speed
Update: judge says it won't work https://twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816 (one additional activation per turn max, I suppose).ο»Ώ
and only once, outside of the normal activation per turn. The important word is "once" on the card.
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
A judge says no cause the word once on it
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
I don't see why not? It would throw an ability on the stack again that says your planeswalkers haven't done anything this turn.
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 02, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
A judge says no cause the word once on it
Wouldn't the ability overwrite the previous ability?
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 02, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
A judge says no cause the word once on it
yea the card saysfor each pw, you may activate a loyalty ability once each turn. would be horribly broken if you could keep activating it.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 02, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 02, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
A judge says no cause the word once on it
Wouldn't the ability overwrite the previous ability?
no. its basically the same as {rootwalla}'s ability. if it was repeatable, the word once would not be in the text.
Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 02, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 02, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
A judge says no cause the word once on it
Wouldn't the ability overwrite the previous ability?
no. its basically the same as {rootwalla}'s ability. if it was repeatable, the word once would not be in the text.
I just find it weird that it doesn't say activate this ability only once a turn. I guess it somewhat does.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 02, 2014, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 02, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 02, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
can you untap the veil and do it again?
A judge says no cause the word once on it
Wouldn't the ability overwrite the previous ability?
no. its basically the same as {rootwalla}'s ability. if it was repeatable, the word once would not be in the text.
I just find it weird that it doesn't say activate this ability only once a turn. I guess it somewhat does.
i think it has to be weird wording because its breaking the once a turn pw rule.
We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification. As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text. They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.
It's awkward. We'll see.
Quote from: Remillo on July 02, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification. As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text. They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.
It's awkward. We'll see.
I read it as use it and abuse it so long as you have the mana to untap it and use it again. Infinite loop is viable IMO
I just made an ebay offer on "the chain veil" for $6 a pop. I am going to try and get two copies....we will see ;)
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: Remillo on July 02, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification. As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text. They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.
It's awkward. We'll see.
I read it as use it and abuse it so long as you have the mana to untap it and use it again. Infinite loop is viable IMO
You could easily argue both sides. The last clause makes it seem like you reset the walker, giving you unlimited abuses, but the whole, "you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn" seems kind of restrictive. We will just have to wait for a ruling.
I now have the urge to make a junk superfriends deck with the chain veil... And I shall call it the garbage pail friends.
{filigree sages}
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 02, 2014, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: Remillo on July 02, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification. As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text. They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.
It's awkward. We'll see.
I read it as use it and abuse it so long as you have the mana to untap it and use it again. Infinite loop is viable IMO
You could easily argue both sides. The last clause makes it seem like you reset the walker, giving you unlimited abuses, but the whole, "you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn" seems kind of restrictive. We will just have to wait for a ruling.
I think the "once this turn" clause means you can only do it once for each activation of the chain veil. Otherwise the wording could be interpreted as you can activate the PW ability as many times as you want once you activate the chain veil.
You guys are missing the most important part. It is use it once this turn... "As though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn." It ignores all previous uses. Or that is what I believe. Infinite loop boo-ya
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 02, 2014, 02:22:04 PM
You guys are missing the most important part. It is use it once this turn... "As though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn." It ignores all previous uses. Or that is what I believe. Infinite loop boo-ya
This is how I read it too. You just said it better π
this is a level 3 judge on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816
Darn. :'(
Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 02:37:07 PM
this is a level 3 judge on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816
I just disagree
I already saw Hiyashi's look at it.
here's the best explanation of it I've seen so far:
QuoteThe effect of activating the veil allows you to use a pw loyalty ability ONCE THIS TURN.
Now at this point you may be saying, "Well thats the rule of pw in general, once per turn i get to activate an ability of theirs..."
The secondary line of text (that seems to be the cause of confusion) exists to stress the fact that you may do the first line of text (activate one of its abilities this turn) even though you may have activated the pw once already this turn. It is a lingering effect that occurs for the duration of the turn.
To untap and activate the chain veil again (which is perfectly legal...) will not override that it has already allowed the planeswalker to use a loyalty ability (as granted by the artifact itself.)
It makes sense, but we'll know for sure when we get the release notes right before the prereleases.
I want to see an official ruling. If that is true, then that's some pretty terrible wording.
The wording is super clunky and un-intuitive. We'll just have to wait for the release notes to know for sure.
From the upcoming M15 Release Notes: Each additional time The Chain Veil's last ability resolves will allow you to activate...
a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control an additional time. For example, if you activate The Chain Veil's last ability, ...
untap it, then activate it again, you can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control three times that turn.
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Edit rules manager, not adviser
But if you can untap the artifact and repay its casting cost...
Jesus - elspeth + a convoke spell could get nasty
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 02, 2014, 05:01:58 PM
But if you can untap the artifact and repay its casting cost...
Jesus - elspeth + a convoke spell could get nasty
Jesus the planeswalker??? Must be broken....
Quote from: bravado883 on July 02, 2014, 04:58:57 PM
Level 3 is way above rules advisor, so for now I trust the L3. And the clauses are in a janky order, but I read it that you only get to do it once. Just reorder the text: "activate one ability as if no other abilities were activated once this turn." It is super awkward though.
Edit: to be clear, not making a jab at rules advisors, they're awesome. But given conflicting rulings from an RA and an L3, I will typically give more credit to the more experienced L3.
Tabak is the Rules Manager for Magic. Not just an advisor. I mislabeled him
well if thats true, than Magic majorly failed on the clarity front. confusing level 3s seems bad for magic.
Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Anyone see he new "I don't care if you block anything" sliver? Oh and it's a 2 drop...
That's nice, {hellrider} for a bear's mana cost is coolio
Um...{stain the mind}
Good bye win conditions T5 or earlier
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 02, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
Um...{stain the mind}
Good bye win conditions T5 or earlier
Turn 3 on the play?? That is nasty in Standard... I can see BG being a major upcoming player...
Oh you gonna elspeth/sphinx/win condition me later?
No you wont
The convoke is what I think will make it deadlier, you have the option to tap down creatures in addition to mana.
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
I just made an ebay offer on "the chain veil" for $6 a pop. I am going to try and get two copies....we will see ;)
Coolstuffinc has preorders for $5.99
Scg is $5
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Well they had them...
Like I said the wording on The Chain Veil is janky and doesn't say you can only use the pay 4 tap ability only on your turn
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
Like I said the wording on The Chain Veil is janky and doesn't say you can only use the pay 4 tap ability only on your turn
right but pw abilities on their own have the restriction that they cant be used on opponents turn. so (possible) can + can't = can't.
Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
Like I said the wording on The Chain Veil is janky and doesn't say you can only use the pay 4 tap ability only on your turn
right but pw abilities on their own have the restriction that they cant be used on opponents turn. so (possible) can + can't = can't.
Agreed. Plus imagine how broken it'd be. Same goes for untap reuse. It'd be broken and promptly banned.
That's perfectly fine by me lol I play casual so I play with all kinds of banned and broken cards. It just says once this turn and your opponents turn is a turn but yeah just have to wait and see the official ruling cause they blew it with the wording heck even being able to do some janky tap untap artifact stuff to do it more than twice on your turn even that would be awesome
So I was reading {Kalonian Twingrove} and its an X/X where its p/t is equal to the number of forests you control for {5}{G}, thinking, really? this sucks, they given this to us for less before....and then I got the part where you put a token onto the battlefield that is the same thing.....Right now this is looking like the number 1 limited bomb, this is crazy.
Just when you think white has a shot
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 03, 2014, 12:24:34 AM
So I was reading {Kalonian Twingrove} and its an X/X where its p/t is equal to the number of forests you control for {5}{G}, thinking, really? this sucks, they given this to us for less before....and then I got the part where you put a token onto the battlefield that is the same thing.....Right now this is looking like the number 1 limited bomb, this is crazy.
It's a {Dungrove Elder} without hexproof that brings a friend. I dig.
Scuttling Doom Engine has awesome flavor and a silly name. I like it. It's already a 6/6 for 6 with evasion, and the death trigger is upside.
{Ensoul Artifact} wow.
You could have a 5/5 creature out turn two.
{Ornithopter} 5/5 flyer! Just saying.
Can equipment equip it's self?
Looked it up. No!
301.5c (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=301.5c): An Equipment that's also a creature can't equip a creature. An Equipment that loses the subtype "Equipment" can't equip a creature. An Equipment can't equip itself. An Equipment that equips an illegal or nonexistent permanent becomes unattached from that permanent but remains on the battlefield. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.) An Equipment can't equip more than one creature. If a spell or ability would cause an Equipment to equip more than one creature, the Equipment's controller chooses which creature it equips.
Blue is looking tasty...
{illusory angel} π
I think this might be the first prerelease ever that I don't go white....and I have been playing for 10 years.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 03, 2014, 01:18:02 AM
Anybody suspect a spike in {Pithing needle} prices? It's a pretty good target for the new 5/5 enchant artifact.
No, the card is a great sideboard option, but it is going out soon and a lot of people already have them. I can't see them going past $3, {Ornithopter} and {Darksteel Citadel} are both targets than {Pithing Needle}.
{Chasm Skulker} seems fun!
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 03, 2014, 01:42:16 AM
{Chasm Skulker} seems fun!
I can't find it π«
Found it! More reasons to go blue.. Ugh
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 03, 2014, 01:12:48 AM
I just reread it... ANY artifact can be altered.
Meaning That
{Orthopter}
{Darksteel citadel}
{Ancestral Cornicopia}
{Civil Shredder}
{codex shredder}
{Flamecaste wheel}
{Pithing Needle}
Etc etc etc
Are all potential 5/5 turn two....
And Noble's {Bronze sables} can actually be a thing
{Arcbound Ravager}!
Yup. Standard is really getting slowed down.
Eww....attack with {Scuttlewhatever}, then sac to {Shrapnel Blast}. Take 17, gg?
Pre ordered two of the chain things for 5 bucks each π
Got a playset after they all sold out off scg
I am definitely going G/B splash U those void snare and turn to frog mmh
Quote from: Noblellama on July 03, 2014, 02:23:59 AM
T1 island ornithopter
T2 island make ornithopter 5/5 flyer (3 turns left without removal or flyer...)
I will def. be making this deck!
Wear//Tear is gonna rise in price till rotation lol
the wording in this set is so weird. {ensoul artifact} says a creature with "base power" 5/5. I mean obviously layers matter but why not just say its a 5/5 like normal. Damn wizards linguists!!!
Speaking of confuzzling words.. {Prismatic Runeguard} "This effect does not remove aura's." There must be some underlying meaning which I don't get.
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 03, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
Speaking of confuzzling words.. {Prismatic Runeguard} "This effect does not remove aura's." There must be some underlying meaning which I don't get.
The pro-white would make it remove itself from the creature as soon as it enchanted it. They just happened to tack on the inclusion of all auras, which is pretty sweet.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 03, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 03, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
Speaking of confuzzling words.. {Prismatic Runeguard} "This effect does not remove aura's." There must be some underlying meaning which I don't get.
The pro-white would make it remove itself from the creature as soon as it enchanted it. They just happened to tack on the inclusion of all auras, which is pretty sweet.
I assume that it doesn't include later Auras.
Say I have a creature enchanted with {Ethereal Armor} and then enchant it with the Prismatic Dohicky. Then can I target it with another aura? It says already enchanting it and now it can't be targeted or enchanted right?
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 03, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 03, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 03, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
Speaking of confuzzling words.. {Prismatic Runeguard} "This effect does not remove aura's." There must be some underlying meaning which I don't get.
The pro-white would make it remove itself from the creature as soon as it enchanted it. They just happened to tack on the inclusion of all auras, which is pretty sweet.
I assume that it doesn't include later Auras.
Say I have a creature enchanted with {Ethereal Armor} and then enchant it with the Prismatic Dohicky. Then can I target it with another aura? It says already enchanting it and now it can't be targeted or enchanted right?
what is prismatic dohicky?
edit: sorry, your refering to the aura above. {prismatic runegard}. so if you gave your creature protection from a color, normally, any auras (enchantments) of that color will fall off. This makes it so enchantments stay on. So in your example you can continue enchanting with auras since the protection doesnt remove enchantments.
Quote from: particle on July 03, 2014, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 03, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 03, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 03, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
Speaking of confuzzling words.. {Prismatic Runeguard} "This effect does not remove aura's." There must be some underlying meaning which I don't get.
The pro-white would make it remove itself from the creature as soon as it enchanted it. They just happened to tack on the inclusion of all auras, which is pretty sweet.
I assume that it doesn't include later Auras.
Say I have a creature enchanted with {Ethereal Armor} and then enchant it with the Prismatic Dohicky. Then can I target it with another aura? It says already enchanting it and now it can't be targeted or enchanted right?
what is prismatic dohicky?
edit: sorry, your refering to the aura above. {prismatic runegard}. so if you gave your creature protection from a color, normally, any auras (enchantments) of that color will fall off. This makes it so enchantments stay on. So in your example you can continue enchanting with auras since the protection doesnt remove enchantments.
It's basically the Ward Cycle, ie {White Ward}, {Blue Ward}, etc, but on crack...
Quote from: particle on July 03, 2014, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 03, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 03, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 03, 2014, 10:52:05 AM
Speaking of confuzzling words.. {Prismatic Runeguard} "This effect does not remove aura's." There must be some underlying meaning which I don't get.
The pro-white would make it remove itself from the creature as soon as it enchanted it. They just happened to tack on the inclusion of all auras, which is pretty sweet.
I assume that it doesn't include later Auras.
Say I have a creature enchanted with {Ethereal Armor} and then enchant it with the Prismatic Dohicky. Then can I target it with another aura? It says already enchanting it and now it can't be targeted or enchanted right?
what is prismatic dohicky?
edit: sorry, your refering to the aura above. {prismatic runegard}. so if you gave your creature protection from a color, normally, any auras (enchantments) of that color will fall off. This makes it so enchantments stay on. So in your example you can continue enchanting with auras since the protection doesnt remove enchantments.
Not exactly, any enchantments afterwards cannot target the creature due to the fact that it had it has protection from all colors. There are exceptions however for stuff like {Eldrazi Conscription} because that card is actually colorless, but they are few and far between. It essentially gives it shroud after it lands.
thanks your right. also, {evolving wilds} is back.
Quote from: Taysby on July 03, 2014, 04:16:19 PM
is affinity actually going to be a thing? Dammit wizards! quit making me want to get back into standard!!! >:(
the {chief engineer} says yes.
Tonight is the full spoiler right?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 03, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
Tonight is the full spoiler right?
Whaaaat?!!! Really?!?!!???? I'm so pumped lol
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 03, 2014, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 03, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
Tonight is the full spoiler right?
Whaaaat?!!! Really?!?!!???? I'm so pumped lol
I think so...Isn't it usually the Friday before the prerelease weekend?
The card image gallery is fully updated: http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/magic-2015-core-set-card-set-archive-products-game-info
{Back to Nature} is in the set....
So glad I didn't jump on making a constellation deck.
{polymorph's jest}?!?!? turn everyhing your opponent controls into a frog. gross.
If I have {Eternal Thirst} on {TyphoidRats} will the counter prevent it from dying say if it blocked a 3/3.
Quote from: jonrox3 on July 04, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
If I have {Eternal Thirst} on {TyphoidRats} will the counter prevent it from dying say if it blocked a 3/3.
No, damage is dealt simultaneously and both creatures die from state based action. If the {Typhoid Rat} had first strike however....
One of these slivers doesn't belong....
Noooo! I was joping to get a huge rat being saved by a 1 counter each time it blocked
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:29:56 AM
One of these slivers doesn't belong....
Lol. Which one?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 04, 2014, 12:30:33 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:29:56 AM
One of these slivers doesn't belong....
Lol. Which one?
All of them are absolutely disgusting and I don't wish to see them on the other side of the table. Ew.
{diffusion sliver}. It doesn't give the other slivers anything!
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:33:58 AM
{diffusion sliver}. It doesn't give the other slivers anything!
its gives your other slivers a {kira, the great glass spinner} like ability.
{CARRION CROW}
Stormcrow's gothic cousin!
I'd love it If all slivers had that ability. So that it stacked for each sliver, (too broken?) but it seems like this sliver doesn't contribute to the adaptation idea of the other slivers.....
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
I'd love it If all slivers had that ability. So that it stacked for each sliver, (too broken?) but it seems like this sliver doesn't contribute to the adaptation idea of the other slivers.....
Trust me that sliver is amazing!! Especially for the deck that I wanna build :P
I think I'm going to play slivers standard... I have sliver edh, sliver casual, I guess that this is the last step!
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:57:30 AM
I think I'm going to play slivers standard... I have sliver edh, sliver casual, I guess that this is the last step!
Lol nice!! Except only 3 mths of playability :(
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 04, 2014, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
I'd love it If all slivers had that ability. So that it stacked for each sliver, (too broken?) but it seems like this sliver doesn't contribute to the adaptation idea of the other slivers.....
Trust me that sliver is amazing!! Especially for the deck that I wanna build :P
I know! That build that I had was having problems with turn 2 {Manaweft Sliver}, T2: {Abrupt Decay}, but this solves the problem...
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 04, 2014, 12:58:16 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 04, 2014, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on July 04, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
I'd love it If all slivers had that ability. So that it stacked for each sliver, (too broken?) but it seems like this sliver doesn't contribute to the adaptation idea of the other slivers.....
Trust me that sliver is amazing!! Especially for the deck that I wanna build :P
I know! That build that I had was having problems with turn 2 {Manaweft Sliver}, T2: {Abrupt Decay}, but this solves the problem...
Even more reason to play {Chord of Calling} in that deck!!
Oh yeah chord of calling into megantic sliver EOT. Next turn, throw down the trample one (hope you have haste sliver )
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 04, 2014, 01:06:32 AM
Oh yeah chord of calling into megantic sliver EOT. Next turn, throw down the trample one (hope you have haste sliver )
No no no!!! Swing with your slivers and {Sentinel Sliver} then they declare blocks ... THEN YOU CHORD!!
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 04, 2014, 01:34:47 AM
I feel like with these slivers spatters in the past two core sets WotC wants to shatter the friendships of new players getting into magic with their buddies and mass produce competitive players so they spend more money...
Here is how:
With slivers there is always that ONE kid that will always made the ridiculous sliver deck because he thinks they are the bee's knees but everybody hates it and as a result the child is ostracized and forced down a slippery slope of becoming a Spike as he tries to win back the approval of his peers by creating a new deck, yet after feeling the sweet taste of sliver-based victory his decks are always hyper competitive because he's tasted the nectar of the Onslaught block originating gods and nothing else will satisfy his thirst.From his decks being TOO good and him only playing to win he would begin to only feel emptiness from their repeated scorn as his friends no longer want to play with him. From that resentment the sliver child felt produces a growing desire to make decks with turn 1 wins to show his dominance over those who no longer want to be his friend... No longer does he want to make decks for fun that happen to win, but ones that win at all costsand money wil be no object to him as he fills the void inside him with cardboard crack. Hence a Spike is born, and wizards claim another soul.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it happens hahahaha
And also pretty sure that's why Anakin went over to the dark side too..
This is kind of what happened to me....except it wasn't Slivers that got me, it was hexproof....
Can unsticky this now.. All cards released
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 04, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
Can unsticky this now.. All cards released
Please don't bc it's still a good place to discuss the set!
It's not getting deleted
Set is spoiled so these threads usually get unanchored
Why is shivan dragon and djinn back?
They are classics
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/garruk-slayer/
Cool
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 02:37:07 PM
this is a level 3 judge on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816
I just disagree
The Chain Veil
Legendary Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker this turn, you lose 2 life.
, : For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn.
For the first ability, it doesn't matter whether the planeswalker is still on the battlefield as your end step begins. If you activated one of its loyalty abilities that turn, The Chain Veil's triggered ability won't trigger.
Because the last ability modifies the rules of the game, it affects not only planeswalkers you control when it resolves, but also planeswalkers that come under your control later in the turn.
After the last ability resolves, you'll essentially be able to activate a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control a total of twice during your turn. The timing rules for when you can activate loyalty abilities apply each time; it must be your main phase and the stack must be empty.
The second loyalty ability you activate doesn't have to be the same as the first ability. For example, you could activate a planeswalker's first ability twice, or you could activate a planeswalker's first ability, then activate its second ability.
Each additional time The Chain Veil's last ability resolves will allow you to activate a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control an additional time. For example, if you activate The Chain Veil's last ability, untap it, then activate it again, you can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control three times that turn.
Release notes!
Can go infinite!
Release notes
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/release-notes-2014-07-07
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 08, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 02:37:07 PM
this is a level 3 judge on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816
I just disagree
The Chain Veil
Legendary Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker this turn, you lose 2 life.
, : For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn.
For the first ability, it doesn't matter whether the planeswalker is still on the battlefield as your end step begins. If you activated one of its loyalty abilities that turn, The Chain Veil's triggered ability won't trigger.
Because the last ability modifies the rules of the game, it affects not only planeswalkers you control when it resolves, but also planeswalkers that come under your control later in the turn.
After the last ability resolves, you'll essentially be able to activate a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control a total of twice during your turn. The timing rules for when you can activate loyalty abilities apply each time; it must be your main phase and the stack must be empty.
The second loyalty ability you activate doesn't have to be the same as the first ability. For example, you could activate a planeswalker's first ability twice, or you could activate a planeswalker's first ability, then activate its second ability.
Each additional time The Chain Veil's last ability resolves will allow you to activate a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control an additional time. For example, if you activate The Chain Veil's last ability, untap it, then activate it again, you can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control three times that turn.
Release notes!
Can go infinite!
indeed it can. quite excited for it. a few notes i was suprised at and wouldnt have assumed:
If a creature loses double strike after dealing combat damage in the first combat damage step, it won't assign combat damage in the second one.
i thought a creature that loses double strike would still deal regular damage as a vanilla creature but i guess it makes sense.
if there are two +1/+1 counters on {Chasm Skulker} and it gets three -1/-1 counters, you'll get two Squid tokens.
i would have assumed the counters would have ceased to exist and then skulker would die.
Just a couple questions: I have a {kiora, the crashing wave} on my BF @ 4 loyalty.
1). If i activate {the chain veil} pre using one of her abilities, can I use the +1 and then the -5? Or must I use the +1 first, them activate chain.
2). Should I activate the veil ability, and then use both a +1 and -5 on kiora, she then dies, and I cast another kiora, can I activate 2 abilities that turn? Or does it only count for PWs that are on the BF when the ability resolves?
Thank you.
Why would you put Kiora on your boyfriend?
Are you trying to get him... wet? π
Ba-dum-chsh...
But no, my boyfriend prefers tezzeret, he doesn't like my {jace, the mind.love.er}
Quote from: Anoobass on July 09, 2014, 12:54:47 AM
Just a couple questions: I have a {kiora, the crashing wave} on my BF @ 4 loyalty.
1). If i activate {the chain veil} pre using one of her abilities, can I use the +1 and then the -5? Or must I use the +1 first, them activate chain.
2). Should I activate the veil ability, and then use both a +1 and -5 on kiora, she then dies, and I cast another kiora, can I activate 2 abilities that turn? Or does it only count for PWs that are on the BF when the ability resolves?
Thank you.
Quote from: Avnger345 on July 08, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
The Chain Veil
Legendary Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker this turn, you lose 2 life.
{4}{T}: For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn.
...
Because the last ability modifies the rules of the game, it affects not only planeswalkers you control when it resolves, but also planeswalkers that come under your control later in the turn.
...
1. Yes, as you can see from the release note section above, you're changing the turn rules, so you can do that at any point in the turn.
2. The second Kiora is a new permanent so yep, 2 counters for the second one too.
So, new plan. {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.
Guys just be careful bc this combo is very easy to break up
No1 can stop {Johnny, Ca, Ca, Ca, Combo Breaker}
posting so i can look at it later
Quote from: Anoobass on July 09, 2014, 01:15:21 AM
So, new plan. {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.
how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?
Quote from: particle on July 13, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: Anoobass on July 09, 2014, 01:15:21 AM
So, new plan. {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.
how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?
the new nissa for one
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 13, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: particle on July 13, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: Anoobass on July 09, 2014, 01:15:21 AM
So, new plan. {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.
how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?
the new nissa for one
ok but thats not any planeswalker.
Quote from: particle on July 13, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 13, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: particle on July 13, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: Anoobass on July 09, 2014, 01:15:21 AM
So, new plan. {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.
how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?
the new nissa for one
ok but thats not any planewalker.
and nissa doesnt untap the chain veil.
Ok I meant nissa for the mana {ral zerak} to untap
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 13, 2014, 03:40:48 PM
Ok I meant nissa for the mana {ral zerak} to untap
yup {ral zarek} {nissa worldwaker} and {the chain veil} is a currently known combo. note that you also need 4 forests (or a {realmwright}) so you can untap 4 lands.
Quote from: particle on July 13, 2014, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 13, 2014, 03:40:48 PM
Ok I meant nissa for the mana {ral zerak} to untap
yup {ral zarek} {nissa worldwaker} and {the chain veil} is a currently known combo. note that you also need 4 forests (or a {realmwright}) so you can untap 4 lands.
{Xenagos, the Reveler} also works if you have four creatures ;)