M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

[Remillo]

We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification.  As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text.  They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.

It's awkward.  We'll see.

[cltrn81]

We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification.  As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text.  They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.

It's awkward.  We'll see.

I read it as use it and abuse it so long as you have the mana to untap it and use it again.  Infinite loop is viable IMO

[cltrn81]

I just made an ebay offer on "the chain veil" for $6 a pop.  I am going to try and get two copies....we will see

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification.  As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text.  They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.

It's awkward.  We'll see.

I read it as use it and abuse it so long as you have the mana to untap it and use it again.  Infinite loop is viable IMO

You could easily argue both sides. The last clause makes it seem like you reset the walker, giving you unlimited abuses, but the whole, "you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn" seems kind of restrictive. We will just have to wait for a ruling.

[Caininite]

I now have the urge to make a junk superfriends deck with the chain veil... And I shall call it the garbage pail friends.

[DirtyMustachio]

{filigree sages}

[cltrn81]

We'll just have to wait on the release notes for clarification.  As a judge, the way I'm reading Chain Veil is that you get an additional use of an ability each time you activate it, which is the intuitive way of reading the text.  They also could have just tacked on "Activate this ability only once per turn" and be done with it.

It's awkward.  We'll see.

I read it as use it and abuse it so long as you have the mana to untap it and use it again.  Infinite loop is viable IMO

You could easily argue both sides. The last clause makes it seem like you reset the walker, giving you unlimited abuses, but the whole, "you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn" seems kind of restrictive. We will just have to wait for a ruling.

I think the "once this turn" clause means you can only do it once for each activation of the chain veil.  Otherwise the wording could be interpreted as you can activate the PW ability as many times as you want once you activate the chain veil.

[jonrox3]

You guys are missing the most important part. It is use it once this turn... "As though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn." It ignores all previous uses. Or that is what I believe. Infinite loop boo-ya

[cltrn81]

You guys are missing the most important part. It is use it once this turn... "As though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn." It ignores all previous uses. Or that is what I believe. Infinite loop boo-ya

This is how I read it too.  You just said it better 😜

[particle]

this is a level 3 judge on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816

[jonrox3]

Darn.

[cltrn81]

this is a level 3 judge on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/status/484208247210274816

I just disagree

[Remillo]

I already saw Hiyashi's look at it. 

here's the best explanation of it I've seen so far:

The effect of activating the veil allows you to use a pw loyalty ability ONCE THIS TURN.

Now at this point you may be saying, "Well thats the rule of pw in general, once per turn i get to activate an ability of theirs..."

The secondary line of text (that seems to be the cause of confusion) exists to stress the fact that you may do the first line of text (activate one of its abilities this turn) even though you may have activated the pw once already this turn. It is a lingering effect that occurs for the duration of the turn.

To untap and activate the chain veil again (which is perfectly legal...) will not override that it has already allowed the planeswalker to use a loyalty ability (as granted by the artifact itself.)

It makes sense, but we'll know for sure when we get the release notes right before the prereleases.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I want to see an official ruling. If that is true, then that's some pretty terrible wording.

[Remillo]

The wording is super clunky and un-intuitive.  We'll just have to wait for the release notes to know for sure.