So I was working on my Selesnya Hexproof for Modern but the price tag has made it so I can't finish it right now. I always admired eggs and I think playing it (because of its difficultly to pilot) would make me a better player. Here is my question: with the ban of {Second Sunrise} in Modern is Eggs still playable? And if so, card suggestions?
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I'd recommend looking at Taysby's and my decks to get the basics.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 21, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
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I'd recommend looking at Taysby's and my decks to get the basics.
How did I know you would post...
Also: I looked at your deck...{Grapeshot}, really? Do you hate everyone?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 21, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 21, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
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I'd recommend looking at Taysby's and my decks to get the basics.
Do you hate everyone?
Doesn't every Eggs player?
Oh. And it's {Rapeshot}.
The decklist is pretty similar I think, except you have to use {Open the Vaults} in addition to {Faith's Reward}. I think most decks use 1-2 {Mox Opal} and {Noxious Revival} as well.
Quote from: Lyriczulu on November 21, 2013, 07:44:39 PM
The decklist is pretty similar I think, except you have to use {Open the Vaults} in addition to {Faith's Reward}. I think most decks use 1-2 {Mox Opal} and {Noxious Revival} as well.
I vote no to this. The opal because it's ONE MANA ONCE A TURN, and the Revival because it's best w/ splashing green, which I would not do!
Quote from: Mlerner12 on November 21, 2013, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: Lyriczulu on November 21, 2013, 07:44:39 PM
The decklist is pretty similar I think, except you have to use {Open the Vaults} in addition to {Faith's Reward}. I think most decks use 1-2 {Mox Opal} and {Noxious Revival} as well.
I vote no to this. The opal because it's ONE MANA ONCE A TURN, and the Revival because it's best w/ splashing green, which I would not do!
Well, on the turn you're going off you sac {Mox Opal} after tapping it to {Krark-Clan Ironworks} then bring it back with everything else and do it again. I mean, yeah, without a sac outlet it's not good. But having a good sac outlet makes sure you get everything to come back. Additionally, {Noxious Revival} can be paid with 2 life so there's no need to splash green, especially since you can also use mana from any of your mana artifacts to make green if you don't want to/can't pay life.
Quote from: Taysby on November 21, 2013, 08:10:22 PM
No. You use {semblance anvil}. No need to sac anything, and it costs cheaper. It turns {open the vaults} into {faith's reward}. That's the best play.
Eggs will never consistently take first with the ban of {second sunrise} and all the grave yard hate. However, with a complete deck (I never completed mine. Fetches are too expensive) you can win most of your games. If you want the bare bones of the deck, (no lotus blooms or fetches) I'll sell you mine.
I'm not going to use fetches either. I am going to try to get away with Shocklands, {Ghost Quarter}, a few basics and either fastlands or taplands.
That guy only runs 4 fetches, I'm sure I can get away with running none and add them as I get them.
The thong with Fetchlands are, they are Ghost Quarters 4-8 and are a big part of the combo to gain infinite mana with lands as well while also thinning your deck enough so that your topdecks are not lands. They are very needed in GPs and PTs due to graveyard removal and Slaughter Games being prevalent when Eggs was actually really good. Cut from a land search was one of the best things before an Eggs player went off, so egg players played the most land searchers they could so that each card would not be destroyed. It was also why there were 2 Scalding Tarns and 2 Misty Rainforest instead of 4 of either. You can get away with it at a FNM level, though.
I personally don't think Eggs is playable in any modern meta but one: Those kids that sit around and play aggro and think it's "modern". Casual Modern yes, but anything close to competitive and all you see is combo for miles.
Also, there was only one reason why Cifka even played Eggs when he did: because the meta was lined up exactly right for it. Which won't happen again without {Second Sunrise}. Certain (obvious) people may disagree with me, but Eggs is just too slow to even try anymore. I was building it just before it got banned (Already bought 2x Sunrise, some Blooms, all the commons/uncommons) and I got screwed. So don't just think I'm hating on the archetype.
Aside from all my previous point, it's really annoying to go off... If you want a combo deck, I suggest you look elsewhere.
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 03, 2013, 02:44:17 PM
Turn 5 with no plays is slow in Modern. Thrown in the fact that it's easily disrupted (counterspells, scavenging ooze, Thoughtseize a recursive spell, relic of progenitus) and you have a bad deck.
Usually it's T3 ;)
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 03, 2013, 02:44:17 PM
Turn 5 with no plays is slow in Modern. Thrown in the fact that it's easily disrupted (counterspells, scavenging ooze, Thoughtseize a recursive spell, relic of progenitus) and you have a bad deck.
This. You need interaction or some kind of board state in every combo deck. Melira-pod runs {Abrupt Decay}s and always has a ton of creatures out, and Splinter Twin and Scapeshift both are full of counter/burn. Living End mainboards {Beast Within}, even though it can go off on turn 3.
Quote from: Taysby on December 03, 2013, 04:58:26 PM
It's turn 5 at the latest. Normally it's sooner than that.
And you are main boarding 2 {silence} so you should deprive them of a turn. I agree that eggs isn't a teir one, win all of your games deck. All I'm saying is it can win enough at fnm to make people hate your guts, and every now and then get a prize pack.
I agree that it is an FNM-level deck. {Silence} helps, but not much against UWR or tempo twin.
Okay, so I got my deck together today and I have been watching deck footage and playtesting the last 4 hours, on top of the research I have been doing in the past few weeks. I think I have enough experience to now comment on the deck but don't think too much of what I have to say. First of all, I am using a pretty normal decklist but I don't have fetches and I am not using {Semblance Anvil}s (I think it slowed the deck down and of course it takes one of your 8 crucial spells out of the deck). I think the deck is doing okay, but will never be the same as before the {Second Sunrise} ban. {Open the Vaults} doesn't return lands, which is a HUGE downside on top of the high cost which REALLY takes away from the consistency, you get less deck thinning and of course your mana slows down. That being said I am pretty consistently comboing off on turn 5 or 6. It's still really good but I don't think its tier one (or maybe even tier 2) any more. I am just using the deck to make me a better player because the deck makes me think, but also because it is really interesting.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 09, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Okay, so I got my deck together today and I have been watching deck footage and playtesting the last 4 hours, on top of the research I have been doing in the past few weeks. I think I have enough experience to now comment on the deck but don't think too much of what I have to say. First of all, I am using a pretty normal decklist but I don't have fetches and I am not using {Semblance Anvil}s (I think it slowed the deck down and of course it takes one of your 8 crucial spells out of the deck). I think the deck is doing okay, but will never be the same as before the {Second Sunrise} ban. {Open the Vaults} doesn't return lands, which is a HUGE downside on top of the high cost which REALLY takes away from the consistency, you get less deck thinning and of course your mana slows down. That being said I am pretty consistently comboing off on turn 5 or 6. It's still really good but I don't think its tier one (or maybe even tier 2) any more. I am just using the deck to make me a better player because the deck makes me think, but also because it is really interesting.
While mental excercises are always good, if you want a deck that makes you think and takes a skilled pilot, try out Melira-Pod. It is one of the most versatile decks, yet among the hardest to play correctly.
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 09, 2013, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 09, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Okay, so I got my deck together today and I have been watching deck footage and playtesting the last 4 hours, on top of the research I have been doing in the past few weeks. I think I have enough experience to now comment on the deck but don't think too much of what I have to say. First of all, I am using a pretty normal decklist but I don't have fetches and I am not using {Semblance Anvil}s (I think it slowed the deck down and of course it takes one of your 8 crucial spells out of the deck). I think the deck is doing okay, but will never be the same as before the {Second Sunrise} ban. {Open the Vaults} doesn't return lands, which is a HUGE downside on top of the high cost which REALLY takes away from the consistency, you get less deck thinning and of course your mana slows down. That being said I am pretty consistently comboing off on turn 5 or 6. It's still really good but I don't think its tier one (or maybe even tier 2) any more. I am just using the deck to make me a better player because the deck makes me think, but also because it is really interesting.
While mental excercises are always good, if you want a deck that makes you think and takes a skilled pilot, try out Melira-Pod. It is one of the most versatile decks, yet among the hardest to play correctly.
Ahh but Eggs can be played for like $60 Melira-Pod costs A LOT more.
Quote from: Taysby on December 09, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
Are you using {karak iron works}? If so, that's slower than {semblance anvil} as far as I can tell because it costs 1 more. I'm confused.
I don't use either. I use a playset of {Serum Vision}s, a playset of {Sleight of Hand}s, a playset of {Reshape}s and 2 {Gitaxian Probe}s. Between the draw and the search I can usually get 2 {Lotus Blossom}s out by turn 4 and when I sac them I produce the 6 mana I need to {Open the Vaults}; if I have {Reward the Faithful} I just have extra mana laying around.
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
I am not going to PTQs or anything with Eggs. I have a Selesnya Hexproof Auras deck that is competitive modern (the one Reid Duke used at the World Championship).
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Okay, so the reason I was scared by the price tag of Pod was the first two decklists I looked at had $555 and $800. Being a poor high school student with the only source of income being 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage, I knew I couldn't afford it. Last night I looked back into it and realized that like $150 buys you the list the rest is just land, half of which I own and the other half stuff I need for other decks anyways. So I have decided to start making Pod.
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 14, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Okay, so the reason I was scared by the price tag of Pod was the first two decklists I looked at had $555 and $800. Being a poor high school student with the only source of income being 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage, I knew I couldn't afford it. Last night I looked back into it and realized that like $150 buys you the list the rest is just land, half of which I own and the other half stuff I need for other decks anyways. So I have decided to start making Pod.
Good luck and welcome to the hardest deck in modern :D
It is definitely NOT the hardest.
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 14, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Okay, so the reason I was scared by the price tag of Pod was the first two decklists I looked at had $555 and $800. Being a poor high school student with the only source of income being 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage, I knew I couldn't afford it. Last night I looked back into it and realized that like $150 buys you the list the rest is just land, half of which I own and the other half stuff I need for other decks anyways. So I have decided to start making Pod.
Good luck and welcome to the hardest deck in modern :D
It is definitely NOT the hardest.
And would the hardest be then?
Err... Something else? ;)
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:59:02 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 14, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Okay, so the reason I was scared by the price tag of Pod was the first two decklists I looked at had $555 and $800. Being a poor high school student with the only source of income being 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage, I knew I couldn't afford it. Last night I looked back into it and realized that like $150 buys you the list the rest is just land, half of which I own and the other half stuff I need for other decks anyways. So I have decided to start making Pod.
Good luck and welcome to the hardest deck in modern :D
It is definitely NOT the hardest.
And would the hardest be then?
Err... Something else? ;)
The reason Pod is so versatile and also so hard to pilot is that you are essentially playing a deck of one-ofs and tutors. The intricate ways in which these cards can interact is great, but also means you have to keep track of them all. That means a lot of decision-making when it comes to say, {{Chord of Calling}}, which can essentially summon almost half your deck. Knowing which card is best and can pressure the opponent is essential. Put it to you this way: it's a deck that is non-linear, that you can't goldfish it. How many other decks that are 29-31 creatures can you say that?
Eh, yeah, sounds pretty hard
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:59:02 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 14, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 14, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 14, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Okay, so the reason I was scared by the price tag of Pod was the first two decklists I looked at had $555 and $800. Being a poor high school student with the only source of income being 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage, I knew I couldn't afford it. Last night I looked back into it and realized that like $150 buys you the list the rest is just land, half of which I own and the other half stuff I need for other decks anyways. So I have decided to start making Pod.
Good luck and welcome to the hardest deck in modern :D
It is definitely NOT the hardest.
And would the hardest be then?
Err... Something else? ;)
The reason Pod is so versatile and also so hard to pilot is that you are essentially playing a deck of one-ofs and tutors. The intricate ways in which these cards can interact is great, but also means you have to keep track of them all. That means a lot of decision-making when it comes to say, {{Chord of Calling}}, which can essentially summon almost half your deck. Knowing which card is best and can pressure the opponent is essential. Put it to you this way: it's a deck that is non-linear, that you can't goldfish it. How many other decks that are 29-31 creatures can you say that?
Yeah, I hope to have it together by my birthday (April 2) because I want to finish a couple of EDH decks, possibly a legacy deck (its a cheap combo, so not ridiculous) and buy the rest of my Selesnya Modern ($350 worth of lands :( ). That gives me PLENTY of time to watch pros and learn. I am also probably going to print proxies so I can learn to play the deck. But of course, any tips on how to use the deck are welcome. I am going to use Josh McClain's decklist (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpdet13/welcome) to start and tweak it to my playstyle.
With pod, practice makes perfect is exactly right. Also, you really oughta memorize your decklist because you can {Chord of Calling} for something smaller than what you pay for, but you have to get an exact mana cost with {Birthing Pod}. Knowing exactly what creature to pod off and what to pod for requires complete knowledge of your deck.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 14, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on December 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Melira-Pod may cost a lot more, but that's the modern format in a nutshell. If you don't have the budget to play modern, I would recommend playing a different format rather than trying to make a mediocre budget deck work (like post-ban eggs). Tryingto take a less-than-great deck to most modern events results in defeat.
Okay, so the reason I was scared by the price tag of Pod was the first two decklists I looked at had $555 and $800. Being a poor high school student with the only source of income being 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage, I knew I couldn't afford it. Last night I looked back into it and realized that like $150 buys you the list the rest is just land, half of which I own and the other half stuff I need for other decks anyways. So I have decided to start making Pod.
Welcome to non-standard MtG haha.
April 2nd birthday? Have your parents ever gone "IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY TODAY" a day early and then "april fools"?
Quote from: fj76ts4 on December 14, 2013, 09:44:42 PM
April 2nd birthday? Have your parents ever gone "IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY TODAY" a day early and then "april fools"?
No, but my mom went into labor late on March 31 and was scared that I would be born on April Fool's day. Lucky for her (or unlucky because of how long labor was) I was born on April 2 at like 6 AM.
With pod work in learning the pod chains.
Memorize how much life you need to how much mana you have available.
When you cord with a wall if roots out you can use the wall mana and tap it for chord to essentially gain 2 mana.
If you chord for eternal witness then you can choose the chord as your return target. Then next turn chord for an angel, blink witness, get chord back, etc...,
In game theory always comes down to... Do I go aggro or go for the combo. That's the nicest thing about pod I'd that it can do both. Just tough to know which position your in. Welcome to pod >:D
Naya pod runs about 3 resto's
While melira doesn't any
Quote from: Dstyle1 on December 15, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Naya pod runs about 3 resto's
While melira doesn't any
I am going with Junk, I think its the best for Pod.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 15, 2013, 08:03:20 PM
Quote from: Dstyle1 on December 15, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Naya pod runs about 3 resto's
While melira doesn't any
I am going with Junk, I think its the best for Pod.
I support this. There's a reason it's won three gp's.
Which 3 ?
Quote from: Dstyle1 on December 15, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
Which 3 ?
Sam Pardee won Portland
Seth Manfield won Kansas City
Josh McClain won Detroit