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Izzet Skies 75 cards, 15 sideboard 11 {Island} 4 {Steam Vents} 8 {Mountain} 23 lands 2 {Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius} 3 {Spellheart Chimera} 3 {Prognostic Sphinx} 4 {Seacoast Drake} 2 {Runewing} 4 {Vaporkin} 18 creatures 3 {Dissolve} 2 {Bident of Thassa} 4 {Hands of Binding} 2 {Steam Augury} 3 {Divination} 2 {Curse of the Swine} 3 {Magma Jet} 19 other spells Sideboard 3 {Frost Breath} 3 {Warden of Evos Isle} 3 {Swan Song} 3 {Lightning Strike} 3 {Anger of the Gods} 15 sideboard cards

Took a while to get the numbers right on this one, but I think it only needs minor tweaking with land base. Spell wise, I'm not sure it's the strongest, though it's definitely more unpredictable then it's predecessor.

Constructive criticism is appreciated

You could run guttersnipe and young pyromancer as a boost to casting instances and sorceries

Quote from: Dragn_rdr on October 02, 2013, 10:50:20 PM
You could run {guttersnipe} and young {pyromancer} as a boost to casting instances and sorceries

neither work in this deck. It would make the deck too inconsistent. {gutter snipe} also is too slow. In order to make {young pyromancer} work, I would have to run four, and I need things that can fly overhead. {tarland, sky summoner} would have been perfect. Unfourtanetly, I'm going to have to wait until the deck becomes too weak from pieces rotating out and I want to move it to modern before I can include him.

Thank you for the suggestions though. You were helpful, even if you weren't directly helpful. Every comment helps

whats your total U symbols? if it's a lot you could use the blue mythic dude to make crap load of elementals

Y no luv for  {Warden of Evos Isle}?

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 01:27:18 AM
Y no luv for  {Warden of Evos Isle}?

i do like the warden. It's just I tried I cram so much stuff I needed to make some room

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 08:46:15 AM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 01:27:18 AM
Y no luv for  {Warden of Evos Isle}?

i do like the warden. It's just I tried I cram so much stuff I needed to make some room

Warden is about 1736x better than {Seacoast Drake}

Warden is by far better than  {Runewing} cool you get a card draw ONCE, or you can have flying creatures cost {1} less? It's just a lot better IMO

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 09:30:26 AM
Warden is by far better than  {Runewing} cool you get a card draw ONCE, or you can have flying creatures cost {1} less? It's just a lot better IMO

runewing is the perfect cipher target, because it cancles out the negative card advantage you get if it's removed

Ok or you can pay 3 to have a flier that makes your sphinx and Chimera cost less. Like if I were you I'd want the sphinx out ASAP and renewing doesn't offer that all it is is a 2/2 board stall until you can get your sphinx

 {Bident of Thassa} seems good here with evasive creatures. Just a good card draw engine.

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
Ok or you can pay 3 to have a flier that makes your sphinx and Chimera cost less. Like if I were you I'd want the sphinx out ASAP and renewing doesn't offer that all it is is a 2/2 board stall until you can get your sphinx

it is more valuable then you think it is

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 02:51:52 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
Ok or you can pay 3 to have a flier that makes your sphinx and Chimera cost less. Like if I were you I'd want the sphinx out ASAP and renewing doesn't offer that all it is is a 2/2 board stall until you can get your sphinx

it is more valuable then you think it is

Why ask for constructive criticism if you claim that your deck is already right where it should be and that everyone else's suggestions are wrong?

Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on October 03, 2013, 02:53:33 PM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 02:51:52 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
Ok or you can pay 3 to have a flier that makes your sphinx and Chimera cost less. Like if I were you I'd want the sphinx out ASAP and renewing doesn't offer that all it is is a 2/2 board stall until you can get your sphinx

it is more valuable then you think it is

Why ask for constructive criticism if you claim that your deck is already right where it should be and that everyone else's suggestions are wrong?

i never said its right were it should be. Read my posts. I'm only saying that I don't use it as a "board stall", and that it has more uses than just stalling the game

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 02:59:01 PM

Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on October 03, 2013, 02:53:33 PM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 02:51:52 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
Ok or you can pay 3 to have a flier that makes your sphinx and Chimera cost less. Like if I were you I'd want the sphinx out ASAP and renewing doesn't offer that all it is is a 2/2 board stall until you can get your sphinx

it is more valuable then you think it is

Why ask for constructive criticism if you claim that your deck is already right where it should be and that everyone else's suggestions are wrong?

i never said its right were it should be. Read my posts. I'm only saying that I don't use it as a "board stall", and that it has more uses than just stalling the game

Alright, play it at FNM and let us know how it goes when you go T4 Runewing and your opponents go either T4 Jace, T4 Xenagos, T4 Purphoros, or T4 Advent.  We are just saying that Runewing is not nearly powerful enough to find a place in standard, it is incredibly underwhelming.  The spot can be so better filled.  NOT to mention that you said Guttersnipe is too slow as you play Runewing.   Makes me lol

Be nice guys he asked for help we shared our opinions it's his choice to approve/deny the suggestion (after all it is HIS deck lol)

On another note  {Mizzium Mortars} could be very useful here imo

I edited the deck to add your suggestions. Thank you dirty mustacheo, Jordan Kirk, and dragn_rdr for your input. It's not finished yet, but I'm going to use your suggestions to polish off the deck

So no Mortars? Mostly as I sb but I could see 2 main 2 side

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
So no Mortars? Mostly as I sb but I could see 2 main 2 side

ive tried mortars already. You never can overload them when you need to.

Also, {anger of the gods} is more useful then the mortars anyway

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
So no Mortars? Mostly as I sb but I could see 2 main 2 side

ive tried mortars already. You never can overload them when you need to.

Also, {anger of the gods} is more useful then the mortars anyway

I agree with the anger but do you have any form of protection of your critters? Bc I feel like it could hurt you worse than it'd hurt them

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 06:51:21 PM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
So no Mortars? Mostly as I sb but I could see 2 main 2 side

ive tried mortars already. You never can overload them when you need to.

Also, {anger of the gods} is more useful then the mortars anyway

I agree with the anger but do you have any form of protection of your critters? Bc I feel like it could hurt you worse than it'd hurt them

thats one of the uses of {runewing}

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 06:58:41 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 06:51:21 PM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
So no Mortars? Mostly as I sb but I could see 2 main 2 side

ive tried mortars already. You never can overload them when you need to.

Also, {anger of the gods} is more useful then the mortars anyway

I agree with the anger but do you have any form of protection of your critters? Bc I feel like it could hurt you worse than it'd hurt them

thats one of the uses of {runewing}

That's not how it works. Anger of the gods says if the creature would be put into the graveyard this way instead exile it. So it doesn't die it just gets exiled.

Quote from: JordanCirk on October 03, 2013, 07:35:28 PM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 06:58:41 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 06:51:21 PM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 03, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
So no Mortars? Mostly as I sb but I could see 2 main 2 side

ive tried mortars already. You never can overload them when you need to.

Also, {anger of the gods} is more useful then the mortars anyway

I agree with the anger but do you have any form of protection of your critters? Bc I feel like it could hurt you worse than it'd hurt them

thats one of the uses of {runewing}

That's not how it works. Anger of the gods says if the creature would be put into the graveyard this way instead exile it. So it doesn't die it just gets exiled.

oh hey, your right. +1

The deck wont actually work you know, not trying to be mean but your creatures will die very easily with nothing to protect the and no mana curve at all no offense

Quote from: JustAWalrus on October 03, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
The deck wont actually work you know, not trying to be mean but your creatures will die very easily with nothing to protect the and no mana curve at all no offense

This

Quote from: JustAWalrus on October 03, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
The deck wont actually work you know, not trying to be mean but your creatures will die very easily with nothing to protect the and no mana curve at all no offense

thank you for your honesty. You've been the biggest help yet :)

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 08:05:38 PM

Quote from: JustAWalrus on October 03, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
The deck wont actually work you know, not trying to be mean but your creatures will die very easily with nothing to protect the and no mana curve at all no offense

thank you for your honesty. You've been the biggest help yet :)

Its a good ide but run warden faiths reward and mizzium skin in place of things that are control cards like dissolve

Cut divination curse of the swine dissolve and prognostic sphinx and look at all the flying creatures in standard and ad the best of them

Quote from: JustAWalrus on October 03, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
ook at all the flying creatures in standard and ad the best of them

this I tried.

All the best ones cost a lot of mana

Which Is why this deck is control

Cloudfin raptor and chandras phionix

Quote from: JustAWalrus on October 03, 2013, 08:56:10 PM
Cloudfin raptor and chandras phionix

the Phoenix wouldn't work because there isn't enough burn. I'll see if I can get the raptor to work here

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 03, 2013, 09:01:30 PM

Quote from: JustAWalrus on October 03, 2013, 08:56:10 PM
Cloudfin raptor and chandras phionix

the Phoenix wouldn't work because there isn't enough burn. I'll see if I can get the raptor to work here

Chandra's Phoenix is better than any creature here with the exception of the Sphinx

Yea, there are not enough creatures to justify running the raptor. And I told you, there is not enough burn for the pheonix, both will be dead weight in this deck

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 04, 2013, 08:01:42 AM
Yea, there are not enough creatures to justify running the raptor. And I told you, there is not enough burn for the pheonix, both will be dead weight in this deck

You don't need burn for the Phoenix to be good.  A 2/2 Haste Flier for 3 with the chance of returning is better than almost everything here by itself

I'm not using the pheonix

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 04, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
I'm not using the pheonix

But you will use {Seacoast Drake}...

Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on October 04, 2013, 08:30:06 AM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 04, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
I'm not using the pheonix

But you will use {Seacoast Drake}...

its a good two drop for control. Control NEEDS good two drops

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 04, 2013, 08:31:30 AM

Quote from: iTzTowelie404 on October 04, 2013, 08:30:06 AM

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 04, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
I'm not using the pheonix

But you will use {Seacoast Drake}...

its a good two drop for control. Control NEEDS good two drops

It is a, no offense, terrible two drop for control.  There is about one decent creature two drop for control ATM, with {Omenspeaker}

There's a point when criticism is no longer constructive. Harping on Bird about the cards he clearly likes and wants in his deck isn't going to help him. Offering alternatives is fine, but please respect his opinions to run his own deck the way he wants to without being cynical. Thanks :)

Just a thought: for a good control deck you need good two drops: how about murmuring phantasm? Bigger defender than the drake, worth trading the 1 point attack and flying for in most match ups? If you don't go for that maybe consider {Wall of Frost} as a 3 drop stalling option?

I'm sure people don't care anymore, though for those that might

I solitaried this a few times, and it is leaning on the chimera. Sure there's a combo were you can {ponder} every turn, but that's seldom. I realized though, that I need another three drop. So I added the warden because there were no other good three drop options...and the only other two drop option is {metropolis sprite}

I could add {cloudfin raptor}. But even with all the scrying It would be a two of

I may have instinctively guessed where these two colors are going in theros...

Edit: Icarus