So I know this may offend people but it shouldn't. It's simply my opinion.
I am sick of all the "Classifications" of different kinds of people.
Oh you have glasses?
Nerd.
Oh you wear heavy black boots?
Goth.
Oh you have colorful hair?
Hipster
Oh you wear a backwards baseball cap?
Swag f**
On and so forth.
Anyways! It just annoys me that there are SO many different ways to divide people when many of these assumptions are false and based on nothing. It's just how "Society" (or the foolish individuals that opinions somehow count as "Society")
Pictures these people.
I get sick of it.
Now am I saying I'm not guilty of it?
No. I have seen a quiet girl with long black hair and considered she might be emotionally distressed (emo) but like. Seeing it happen to people who already get enough grievances out of their daily lives such as personal home problems, financial issues, etc. it makes me sick that people can find just so many ways to annoy each other.
Moral of this is.
People. You don't know people.
Stop judging.
I concur. There is something wrong. I hate it too. I do it too. But there is no way to fix this except by first making the change in yourself. It will be evident to others that you are different.
Changing yourselves isn't the problem. It's thinking about what you're about to call/refer to/classify that person as before you do it.
And to be honest because I'm a nervous semi shut in. I don't talk to enough people to judge them. The only people I truly judge are those annoying boisterous louts who think they have the right to whatever they lay their eyes on.
I think that is the majority of the population of 1st world countries.
Quote from: The1337Magician on May 12, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
I think that is the majority of the population of 1st world countries.
Sigh filled agreement
I don't understand what brain cell or DNA strand fell off in my (1997 and beyond) generation that has made everyone so...so...I want to say stu pid but to be respectful we shall say "immature"
P.S not everyone in 1997- is bad. Just most people I have met are just truly worthless individuals.
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Quote from: The1337Magician on May 12, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
I think that is the majority of the population of 1st world countries.
Just most people I have met are just truly worthless individuals.
That's a bold statement coming from someone who says they hate classification ;)
every single one of us is prejudice to some degree, my generation needs to learn to respect others and think before speaking (1998 kid here) but all you can really do is change the way you do things, and become a positive influence in others.
Im just sick of the way some of the younger generations are acting. Where's the decency? If I had said .poo. in front of my parents when I was 12, Id have been grounded for a ridiculously long time. It amazes me how many kids are allowed to swear in front of their parents. On top of that is pregnancy and drugs. We had a sixth grader get pregnant. How is that even physically possible?? And seeing all these kids start smoking and doing drugs is awful.
Generally, I hate stupid Internet things, but those things that say something along the lines of "When I was a kid, I played NES, not get drunk" are really true ξ.
I'm not entirely sure where this came from and I don't think it had anything to do with the OP, but there's my 2 cents on that.
/rant
I feel you^
I would have my arse handed to me if I said something to my parents like that, I surround myself with friends who think like I do, so I'm not quite as pressured by culture as others are, but my generation fails on an epic scale it seems.
It is quite sad how the next generation is coming up. Just think about. Those are the people that will inherit the world. Scary thought. I remember I tried back talking my momma once. Never did it again ill tell you that. Society is so against disciplining your children these days that we get these snotty little brats. My daughter will be three soon and she already knows thank you, please and your welcome. And if she isn't polite guess what?! She gets in trouble. I just don't understand why teaching manners to your children is difficult.
Quote from: NightWolf on May 13, 2013, 03:50:50 AM
It is quite sad how the next generation is coming up. Just think about. Those are the people that will inherit the world. Scary thought. I remember I tried back talking my momma once. Never did it again ill tell you that. Society is so against disciplining your children these days that we get these snotty little brats. My daughter will be three soon and she already knows thank you, please and your welcome. And if she isn't polite guess what?! She gets in trouble. I just don't understand why teaching manners to your children is difficult.
Totally agree with this, but what's worse than a bratty kid? Those bad parents out there that think the aforementioned horrible child is perfect and can do no wrong (a certain relative of mine is guilty of this) like really, teach your kid manners and respect, that's how I was raised and that's how I'm going to raise my kids someday
I'm glad to see more people showing concern over this kind of stuff.
First, to the OP, I couldn't agree more that blanket judgements and assumptions are incredibly damaging. This is what I struggle with the most when I try to read debate threads - blanket statements. Life doesn't work out that way, and trying to fit every puzzle piece into the same spot only jumbles up the board even worse. I try to get to encourage people to avoid bundling things together, especially people, into groups. We are all 100% unique individuals, and our situations equally diverse. Handle them as needed!
As for kids...it does seem like a growing problem. I recently was playing a game online (I think it was battlefield 3, whatever it was, it was a rather violent shooter, very much rated M) and some 6-8 year old comes on the microphone and start cussing and screaming at everyone. Dropping more F-Bombs than I say in a month, saying words I didn't learn until I was 16 and still to this day prefer not to say. All I can think is "Where the hell are this kid's parents?" So I ask. "My mom is right here, you f***** f** piece of s***" he replies. I am dumbfounded.
There really should be a better requirement for having children than sex. Because there a pretty good number of unfit parents out there, and without proper parenting, these kids are doomed.
Frankly I'm scared of all the crap that is out there to influence kids these days. I'm trying hard to raise my two kids to be decent, honest, thinking individuals that won't be sucked into all of the bs that alot of kids are getting into these days, but who knows what they are being shown at school by other kids? Im especially scared for my daughter because it seems like the women out there that young girls are looking up to like ke$ha, are putting out the wrong kind of message. Any other parents out there with these type of worries?
Well, I'm not a parent. Not even close. But I still think that many kids are unfit for the world. We'll just have a bunch of twenty year olds living in their parents' basement and cussing into a mic at the most recent CoD game. Even there, their parents don't care.
Is it education or parenting or media or just life.
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Quote from: The1337Magician on May 12, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
I think that is the majority of the population of 1st world countries.
Just most people I have met are just truly worthless individuals.
That's a bold statement coming from someone who says they hate classification ;)
I never said it was above classification
I just said I dislike it.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 12:13:10 AM
every single one of us is prejudice to some degree, my generation needs to learn to respect others and think before speaking (1998 kid here) but all you can really do is change the way you do things, and become a positive influence in others.
My greatest agreement here.
I am so sick of kids who have 0 respect for anything.
"Oh I hate my life I have so many problems why can't anything ever go right for me"
You just got an 900$ iPhone 5 with insurance and also. Your parents are already looking for a car for you (this is another freshman at my school)
The "Problems" you have are that you spread your legs for any basketball player or wrestler who comes up to you.
(I am not dissing basketball players or wrestlers wrestlers are pretty cool) but its like.
Have you no respect for your self?
Quote from: Destore117 on May 13, 2013, 03:11:56 PM
I am so sick of kids who have 0 respect for anything.
"Oh I hate my life I have so many problems why can't anything ever go right for me"
You just got an 900$ iPhone 5 with insurance and also. Your parents are already looking for a car for you (this is another freshman at my school)
This. I got sick of hearing how awful people's lives were when they were posting that status on Facebook from their expensive phone that their parents paid for. I'm not saying I have it rough, my parents are great! I've been through 12 years of school (including one college year) and I haven't paid a dime yet! My dad has me use his truck since it is a bigger and potentially safer vehicle, and he pays for the gas for me to go to school and work (and because it only gets 11 mpg :-\ )
However, they only buy me MtG stuff for Christmas/birthday, I've paid for most, if not all, of my video games and consoles, and at the end of this year, I'll probably be paying for my insurance and phone bills. Any kind of luxury thing, I pay for. I'm still on a super downgraded version of this app because I don't want to invest a lot of money in a new phone.
My point is, I wish people would stop and realize what luxuries they have and quit taking everything for granted. The best thing that could happen to people is for them to lose
everything for a day. Or even just 12 hours. Give them a bit of a wake up call.
You mean like when my Internet bill isn't payed and my parents make me spend the day outside? Is torture. I need my GameCube game time. NEED IT! Lol plus I can't learn anything about Magic outside.
ain't nothing wrong with a good nature walk or a nap, or just read a good book, they just don't make kids like they used to.
They just don't make {lawn darts} like they used to.
{lawn darts} {W}{R}
Instant
Flip a coin. if you win the flip, lawn darts deals three damage to target creature or player. If you lose the flip, lawn darts deals 3 damage to your little brother.
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 13, 2013, 04:45:25 PM
They just don't make {lawn darts} like they used to.
{lawn darts} {W}{R}
Instant
Flip a coin. if you win the flip, lawn darts deals three damage to target creature or player. If you lose the flip, lawn darts deals 3 damage to your little brother.
This would be funny. If I had a little brother haha.
Well, my dad kinda just made me eat my words. He told me that they are getting me an iPhone and paying for several months of payments ξ lol
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 04:49:40 PM
Well, my dad kinda just made me eat my words. He told me that they are getting me an iPhone and paying for several months of payments ξ lol
You know you're excited π
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Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 04:49:40 PM
Well, my dad kinda just made me eat my words. He told me that they are getting me an iPhone and paying for several months of payments ξ lol
You know you're excited π
Ahhh, forgot to mention it is my graduation/birthday present :P
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Quote from: Destore117 on May 13, 2013, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 04:49:40 PM
Well, my dad kinda just made me eat my words. He told me that they are getting me an iPhone and paying for several months of payments ξ lol
You know you're excited π
Ahhh, forgot to mention it is my graduation/birthday present :P
._. I'm In high school, I don't even have a phone at all, lol
Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 05:00:52 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on May 13, 2013, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 04:49:40 PM
Well, my dad kinda just made me eat my words. He told me that they are getting me an iPhone and paying for several months of payments ξ lol
You know you're excited π
Ahhh, forgot to mention it is my graduation/birthday present :P
._. I'm In high school, I don't even have a phone at all, lol
Tbh I find that obsurd because even KG grades have cellphones. And what's worse is I got told to shut the .love. up in 6th grade by some 1st grader because I was "interrupting their phone call"
Faith in humanity has decreased to level 0
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Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
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Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 05:55:26 PM
Initializing Prog.Self_Destruct_Sequence.EXE
Chair mode activate!
Not as actively as I was last summer, but yeah!
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Not as actively as I was last summer, but yeah!
Hey. A bro is a bro.
*BROFIST*
After reading this whole post , I agree with everything. I may classify people sometimes, but I'm also one of those people who is classified as not swearing at all. I've only sworn 2 times my whole life and I didn't like it at all and still tell people I'd like them to stop and they just start swearing at me.
Oh, people. I just love people. They are the most wonderful creation of God. They are grateful for everything and never do any wrong.
*sarcasm self test complete*
Oh yeah. Forgot about installing that.
I only use profane language under certain circumstances :/ whatever, I try not to drop any F-bombs but S-pies slip out sometimes ._.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
I only use profane language under certain circumstances :/ whatever, I try not to drop any F-bombs but S-pies slip out sometimes ._.
Hmmmm, can't say the same for myself :P
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 13, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
I only use profane language under certain circumstances :/ whatever, I try not to drop any F-bombs but S-pies slip out sometimes ._.
Hmmmm, can't say the same for myself :P
;)
Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 09:56:03 PM
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Quote from: IceScythe on May 13, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
I only use profane language under certain circumstances :/ whatever, I try not to drop any F-bombs but S-pies slip out sometimes ._.
Hmmmm, can't say the same for myself :P
;)
Everybody has that ONE random F-bomb out of nowhere. It just happens.
And I see it like this for people who say its so bad
If we weren't allowed to. God wouldn't have let us make those words up.
And it's not like.
Say there is a heaven.
Nope you said s*** can't let you in.
I am a strong Christian from a Christian family, every person in our family curses, units just one of those things, doesn't really matter to me, so long as I don't take gods name in vain Ex.(GD)
I'm not trying to insult you and I reay hate if I do. But like. How does one say god's name "in vain"? It's like. If I am thinking of something and happen to mutter oh God. Is that a "In vain" offense?
._. to a degree maybe, but it has become common practice. the problem here is that most people don't know what we are for, only what we are against.
Actually, when it says don't take God's name in vain, it means don't take him for an advantage. Names in Hebrew meant something and they thought even saying the name of God was bad because he was too holy. So it is not necessarily saying don't curse. But if your a Christian, the easiest way to show Christ is to not because you're showing the differences Christ makes in people.
/rantend
I agree, just show people your changed life through actions, rather than words
I want to add karma to all of these because they make Allot of sense. And that's from someone who's never reeally cared for religion
It exists fine
I don't believe in most of it
Ok.
As long as people don't try to press their religion on others. Claiming their's is the only "true" belief. I have no problem
XD but what if it is true?! I'm just trolling, God bless yah.
It's just. Nobody can know for sure what IS out there and what isn't. So it's just...all the "Holy Wars" that have happened. And all the "This belief is wrong so we must convert them!"
It's like. Nobody has the right to judge. No one. You want to kill yourself to get 72 virgins? Go ahead! Just there is no need to blow people up about it...you want to worship an elephant man who lives on a cloud? Awesome!
You are willing to set yourself ablaze and never speak again for your belief? That's cool too.
You want to believe the one son of god gave his life for you. Go right ahead.
It's just...nobody needs to hurt anyone else for their religion...and nobody has any claim to there religion being more right or wrong than anyone else's...although morally... blowing yourself up...idk about that one. But hey. Whatever gives you the will to get through your life. I certainly have no right to judge anyone on their beliefs.
It's just. Shut up. Stop arguing about it. He wants to worship a god for each month.
You want to worship one god for everything.
Just let people alone with their choices. If there choice is truly "wrong" then you know they won't get "paradise" or whatever comes after death for followers. Just let people worship whatever idol, man, omnipotent being, h*** even if they want to worship a piece of dirt on their hand. Who cares. It's their life. Their business.
I'm gonna get so much flak for this.
I hate this. Not just for humans though.
the problem is that everyone everyone is entitled to believe what they will, but if I believe that the sky is green, it doesn't change the fact that the sky is obviously blue. believe what you will, I can try to tell you the truth, but it is your own decision whether or not to accept that truth. every man goes his own way, truly, but in the end, we all will be judged, my duty is to praise God while I am here on this earth, and to let my actions speak for me, and to lead others to the truth, so that they too can experience a relationship with God.
I agree with Ice. I know all the killing is terrible. But not all Muslims are extremists. Not all if them want to kill everyone. The only part of Christianity I can think of that es about killing was the Crusades and the Inquisitions. They were the darkest times in the church. They had no right to kill people because they didn't convert. They should not condemn them for not accepting immediately.
I don't force Christ on anyone. If it's God's will, he will make a point to see you as his follower.
exactly, we as Christians are called to be peaceful, and to turn the other cheek when provoked, I never try to hurt people, especially not because of their beliefs. I try to love a Christ-like life and to be a positive and generous influence on others
See I knew I probably shouldn't have said all that because I wasn't trying to imply Muslims are extremists it's just the only Muslim belief I know of.
And as for living a "Christ-like" life.
It's commendable to be able to ignore anger so well...I can't...and well it's just well awesome that you can.
Anyways...so many things confuse me about religion...I won't go into detail because I don't want to offend anybody. But like...in the end...if there is an afterlife...and there is a god. Is there a passage in the bible saying God already has our lives planned before we live them? Because my Ex's youth group leader said something about that. And this is going to cause controversy but. If God knows exactly how our lives are planned before we even live them. What is the point of saying "these people who I created to believe in me can enter heaven"
And "I created these people knowing they wouldn't believe in me so they go to hell" it's like...I'm setting you up to fail. But all of you welcome to paradise.
That is the most confusing thing about religion to me...I truly am not trying to upset anyone. And I'm so sorry if anyone is upset by this.
It is simply a question.
Sin is not an invention of God, it is an invention if the devil, who tempted man, and caused the fall, we are predestined, that much is true, but the fall is our own faults, we are all born into sin, whether we become a Christian or not, it is how we choose to live out our lives, that determines where we go, but in the end, it's not about heaven or hell, it's about Gods righteous judgement.
We aren't judged upon our works though. As we are in Christ, he sees us living vicariously through Christ's perfection. We aren't judged upon anything bad we did before or after our decision to become a Christian. But since we are Christians, we shouldn't try to stay in sin, but show of God's transformation by giving works of God. Christianity is the only religion that isn't works based. This is what makes us unique. There is both Heaven and Hell. God changes people's lives. God knows his children. We are predestined, but we have free will. Complicated, but true. Don't worry about offending me. Please ask if you have questions, I'm happy to answer as long as I know what you're saying. Ask away.
Very true! I love the way you worded that! not works based and the only religion that accepts that we as humans can never be good enough on our own, and that we need a savior. works are not the main focus of Christianity,we are saved through faith and grace alone, but keep in mind that works are still important.
It's just like. If God is so forgiving. And so Righteous...I just don't understand how if he's so well I guess perfect (and who decided God was a he anyways?) why he can allow so much just...literally evil in the world. I just...there are so many things that...well...if he's a perfect being...could do to help his children. Idk but anyways!
I like Buddhism as a religion. Mainly because of the meditation which I have tried and it has truly helped me control alot of my anger. Plus I agree with a lot of the ideas. Idk. There are good and bad sides to every religion in my opinion. And so many loops and turns you think you can see through but I...I just idk. I mean I pray for my friends when they need help I can't give them because I live far away. But I've always wondered.
If there is a god. Will they get answered...because I'm not Christian or catholic or any of those things that devotes themselves to god. So do my prayers even count?
Whatever created us is sure shaking its head right now (if it has one)
Sin is a part of our nature. Once we (as humans) sinned it spread through our DNA and it became a part of us. But God gave us a promise that he would crush Satan and win the day. This gave us a choice to follow God or enjoy ourselves on earth and not after life. This doesn't mean as a Christian we can't enjoy things, it means we put God first. God 'allows' sin because it gives us a reason to follow Him. If there was no punishment, what is the reward mean? There must be sin so that we know what Christ has saved us from.
it's not a question of why he allows evil, he doesn't, We brought evil into the world ourselves (or rather, the devil did) he sent his son to give us a choice. if it wasn't for Jesus, we would all be Damned to hell.
This is quite a different way then I've ever seen Christianity. Hmm. Well. Cool. We learn something everyday lol.
Honestly learning about different religions is always been an Interest of mine
it's good that you are interested in it. I pray that one day you will come to accept Gods gift as truth, but that is your own choice. tell me if you want to know any more. :)
I'm happy that all of you have something to believe in. Hailing from Ireland, where religion has torn apart the country for hundreds of years, most of us are now atheist. Too many years of fighting with our neighbours and having Christianity forced on us by the British (not to mention the priests who were pardoned for sodomy) have led most of us to leave religion at a faster rate than almost any other country in history.
So like.
Saying you're atheist. Do you mean you simply refuse to believe there is a god? Or like...idk...never understood atheism...
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
So like.
Saying you're atheist. Do you mean you simply refuse to believe there is a god? Or like...idk...never understood atheism...
Atheism is the absence of belief in a god or gods.
atheism is the believe that there is no God
Live and let live, avoid maliciousness. The golden rule: treat others how you wish to be treated is the best standard over all religions.
Religion may be uplifting but in the past 40 years its been more of a suppressor of evolution of human thought. We're too concerned about what is the right choice of belief in another persons life. That's all I hear from religious folks, "well the book says this and if only you did these tasks would you be enlightened like me."
That's horse .poo. - my grandparents are Christians but I don't bring that into the factor that they are just great people. Met plenty of religious folks in my life that have steered me clear from a cattle call.
I mean the gossip community within churches is absurd
We paraphrase a book writen 3500 years ago. -Macklemore
it can be, this much is true, but the world is full of hypocrites and false prophets. Christianity is misunderstood because people only know what we are against, rather than what we are for.
"What we are against rather than what we are for"
Saw that on Facebook the other night.
It's very true. But like. I'm very much enjoying these debates of religion.
They're very enlightening into that culture? Is it a culture? Idk...
Anyways I do agree with the paraphrasing a 3500 year old book because its like...each book says at the beginning like
"Translated by ~so~and~so~" and that's exactly what it is.
A translation. Of how that individual saw the bible. I would like to know if there IS an original Bible somewhere in the world. Because that would be very interesting indeed.
And if there ARE originals. Is that what all the different translationers have read? Or did they read another individual's translation of the bible. And translate how they understood it.
Ultimately distorting what it would originally have been.
Idk. That's something I have always wondered when people talk about all the different rules the Bible puts into place.
Is that really what it said 1000s of years ago when it was first written?
Also. This is a side note because I just watched the movie Constantine
Is the Spear of Christ actually out there somewhere?
Protip: remove religion from your life and you'll have 60% less ππ© in your life
Muggy. Please. This forum is to talk about "whatever you feel like" but. Don't offend people. That's just inconsiderate. You have no reason to say things like that it may be what you believe. But don't post it to a public forum. The point of this is simply discussion.
Not just putting others down because they can believe in something you can't.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 08:43:01 PM
"What we are against rather than what we are for"
Saw that on Facebook the other night.
It's very true. But like. I'm very much enjoying these debates of religion.
They're very enlightening into that culture? Is it a culture? Idk...
Anyways I do agree with the paraphrasing a 3500 year old book because its like...each book says at the beginning like
"Translated by ~so~and~so~" and that's exactly what it is.
A translation. Of how that individual saw the bible. I would like to know if there IS an original Bible somewhere in the world. Because that would be very interesting indeed.
And if there ARE originals. Is that what all the different translationers have read? Or did they read another individual's translation of the bible. And translate how they understood it.
Ultimately distorting what it would originally have been.
Idk. That's something I have always wondered when people talk about all the different rules the Bible puts into place.
Is that really what it said 1000s of years ago when it was first written?
Also. This is a side note because I just watched the movie Constantine
Is the Spear of Christ actually out there somewhere?
The thing with the different translations is that a language might have different translations for a single English word and they're taking it worth or without the context, I actually don't know about the Spear of Christ
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
So like.
Saying you're atheist. Do you mean you simply refuse to believe there is a god? Or like...idk...never understood atheism...
I do not believe in a god. In my life, I have seen no reason to believe in it. I respect those who do, as I think religion serves a purpose in having us better ourselves. But that is just it. Religion doesn't just do that. The flaw with it is that it encourages you to look down on those who do not agree. You are Christian, correct? So I am doomed to hell if I do not convert? It's this kind of belief that I find so distasteful. If religion could contain itself to its members it would be so much better. As it is, when people in the US say that homosexual is against the Bible and all that... That is just awful. That's an example of religion imposing itself on others. It is not up to relgion to decide what is natural and unnatural. If two men love each other, that is something between the two of them that NO ONE has any power of judgement over.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:02:49 PM
Muggy. Please. This forum is to talk about "whatever you feel like" but. Don't offend people. That's just inconsiderate. You have no reason to say things like that it may be what you believe. But don't post it to a public forum. The point of this is simply discussion.
Not just putting others down because they can believe in something you can't.
I'm defending the position of avoiding religion. I'm sorry it offends you that I have reasons to uphold my beliefs.
This is also a forum to discuss whatever we please, so for you to say you can post but I should refrain, we'll that's kind of hypocritical wouldn't you say?
Most people under 30 that I know who grew up with religion in their lives now avoid it completely and found more alienation in a religion than other social groups
And to state that I don't have beliefs due not lending my faith to the big 3 religions out there, is that fair? I believe in karmic action
I believe there are good religious people but most religious people that make the headliners prove they are just as awful as those 3 men who kidnapped those girls
How do you defend an organization that promotes hate? How do you deny they promote hate when they attend funerals of the dead to mock them more? The zealousness of religion has caused less progression in the USA
Religion is the cause of people trying to reverse Roe vs Wade and make abortions more difficult for those who wish to have them
Because your god says that it's a life that must be born, a girl who is 16 must throw her own life away to ensure she can bring a child into a broken family? It was gods plan so let it be?
No that's absurd. The creator of us wouldn't want to send a child through instant misery, it's lack of logic in society that encourages it
I'm not saying you "can't post" all I'm saying is you don't have to come in and completely tear down religion. Like yes you can post (I can't stop you for 1) but all I'm saying is if it's something like that. Basically saying religion is a ton of ππ© then just don't because its rude. Especially since most people who've been following this have been Christian or some sort of religion. That's all I am saying. And I'm not defending religion either btw. I'm simply not against it. It's what some people use to make it through their lives and I respect that. I could point out list upon list of religious faults and flaws in beliefs.
But I don't because its not my place to judge them for believing in something when I myself. Do not. And what big 3 were you referring to?
I don't care what people believe in as I said "it could be a speck of dirt on their hand" I believe that's what I said. I just don't think you need to be so harsh against those who are religious. At least. Not on a forum like this. Go to some protesting religion thread if that's what you're about. Just you have no right to come in and say
Hey. What you believe in will only lead to your life being filled with a ton of .poo.
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Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
So like.
Saying you're atheist. Do you mean you simply refuse to believe there is a god? Or like...idk...never understood atheism...
I do not believe in a god. In my life, I have seen no reason to believe in it. I respect those who do, as I think religion serves a purpose in having us better ourselves. But that is just it. Religion doesn't just do that. The flaw with it is that it encourages you to look down on those who do not agree. You are Christian, correct? So I am doomed to hell if I do not convert? It's this kind of belief that I find so distasteful. If religion could contain itself to its members it would be so much better. As it is, when people in the US say that homosexual is against the Bible and all that... That is just awful. That's an example of religion imposing itself on others. It is not up to relgion to decide what is natural and unnatural. If two men love each other, that is something between the two of them that NO ONE has any power of judgement over.
I have infinite respect for that last bit considering almost all of my friends are bisexual or gay or lesbian.
It's like. When states try to pass a law saying gay marriage can be legal and a bunch of religious people protest it...it's like what are you doing?
God made that girl like women. Or that guy like men. Who cares. Gossip about it in secret or something don't go and wave a sign saying oh you like men and you're a man so you're going to hell...
That is probably the most prominent flaw I've seen with religion.
And thanks for clarifying the different translations ice.
If you look at the state of the earth right now....religious people have done it wrong
If the tops of religion falls and it starts from a base, maybe there is hope, but we got popes retiring, Israel holy war never stopping, people killing people in the name of whoever. It makes some people happy but I feel personally its done more wrong than right in the last 100 years.
I would LoVE to hear of more various churches heading to Thai land to free prostitutes from brothels and help rehabilitate them. My cousin has done this with his church. Unfortunately this good is outweighed so much by the bad.
For those of you who are religious out there: how do you feel about those who wear your religion as a title for their personal agendas?
I just strongly feel a lack of any authenticity with most religions now
I can't disagree that religions have done wrong
But it's not truly the religion that did it.
It is solely the people. Who say they follow those religions. But then go and break their own laws. I'm sure it's not what the founders of their religions hoped for there beliefs to become. So we shouldn't just blame the religion
Oh this priest did this?
Catholics are all like that.
It's not the religion doing wrong. It is the people.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 12, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
So I know this may offend people but it shouldn't. It's simply my opinion.
I am sick of all the "Classifications" of different kinds of people.
Oh you have glasses?
Nerd.
Oh you wear heavy black boots?
Goth.
Oh you have colorful hair?
Hipster
Oh you wear a backwards baseball cap?
Swag f**
On and so forth.
Anyways! It just annoys me that there are SO many different ways to divide people when many of these assumptions are false and based on nothing. It's just how "Society" (or the foolish individuals that opinions somehow count as "Society")
Pictures these people.
I get sick of it.
Now am I saying I'm not guilty of it?
No. I have seen a quiet girl with long black hair and considered she might be emotionally distressed (emo) but like. Seeing it happen to people who already get enough grievances out of their daily lives such as personal home problems, financial issues, etc. it makes me sick that people can find just so many ways to annoy each other.
Moral of this is.
People. You don't know people.
Stop judging.
I'd also like to point out from what this thread started from.
Religion has always said the "almighty" will judge the people.
So is this thread a statement to thwart the almighty(s)?
#philosoraptor
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:31:10 PM
I can't disagree that religions have done wrong
But it's not truly the religion that did it.
It is solely the people. Who say they follow those religions. But then go and break their own laws. I'm sure it's not what the founders of their religions hoped for there beliefs to become. So we shouldn't just blame the religion
Oh this priest did this?
Catholics are all like that.
It's not the religion doing wrong. It is the people.
But what is a religion without its people?
And simply saying religions are bad based on actions of that religions so called "leaders" which I have always thought was strange.
Shouldn't religion be carried out by individuals? Who answer to their god. Not their "religious leader" because this can lead to people believe their leader is like personally in touch with. Or is. Their deity. Which often leads to a lot of issues.
Is tied back into the judgmental issues I brought up starting this thread.
I'm not saying the religion doesn't need it's people. I'm saying it shouldn't be judged by the bad individuals that say they follow it.
I have been best friends with 2 devout Christians almost my whole life. And they are some of the most amazing people I know.
They simply follow their religion. And we get along fine. They don't try to press it on me. And I don't try to persuade them from it. It just is what it is. That's an example of good "religion" but it's not the religion that's good or bad. It's the people.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:40:08 PM
I'm not saying the religion doesn't need it's people. I'm saying it shouldn't be judged by the bad individuals that say they follow it.
I have been best friends with 2 devout Christians almost my whole life. And they are some of the most amazing people I know.
They simply follow their religion. And we get along fine. They don't try to press it on me. And I don't try to persuade them from it. It just is what it is. That's an example of good "religion" but it's not the religion that's good or bad. It's the people.
Do you think these people would be worse if they weren't religious?
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:37:11 PM
And simply saying religions are bad based on actions of that religions so called "leaders" which I have always thought was strange.
Shouldn't religion be carried out by individuals? Who answer to their god. Not their "religious leader" because this can lead to people believe their leader is like personally in touch with.
Thing is - when you start practicing a religion you have to look towards an elder to teach you the ways, this is where the sith corrupt the Jedi
Also why was religion made? To help control the population by manipulating them is what I believe.
How can you get 20,000 people to be orderly - tell them the storm and earthquake came due to them not sacrificing the goats milk at the church temple. Their greed has caused god to get angry
It's possible. Because the one. She used her faith in God to help her through the fact she was raped. If she didn't have that. She would be still trying to get through it. Where as. Believing in something. And believing no matter what someone was watching over her, helped her cope and persevere and become one of the strongest people I know.
The other. Without religion. I probably wouldn't have met her because I went to youth group with my ex. And met her. And we've been great friends since then.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2013, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:37:11 PM
And simply saying religions are bad based on actions of that religions so called "leaders" which I have always thought was strange.
Shouldn't religion be carried out by individuals? Who answer to their god. Not their "religious leader" because this can lead to people believe their leader is like personally in touch with.
Thing is - when you start practicing a religion you have to look towards an elder to teach you the ways, this is where the sith corrupt the Jedi
Also why was religion made? To help control the population by manipulating them
You can't know for sure that that is the reason religion exists. Nobody can know why it was created because they aren't its creators. Maybe there truly is a God who inspired them. Maybe there isn't. Nobody knows.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:46:55 PM.
The other. Without religion. I probably wouldn't have met her because I went to youth group with my ex. And met her. And we've been great friends since then.
The first person I can agree upon, but the second scenario proves nothing of how lack of religion would have made her life worse (other than not knowing you)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2013, 09:53:16 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on May 15, 2013, 09:46:55 PM.
The other. Without religion. I probably wouldn't have met her because I went to youth group with my ex. And met her. And we've been great friends since then.
The first person I can agree upon, but the second scenario proves nothing of how lack of religion would have made her life worse (other than not knowing you)
I thought we were simply talking about them in general not the quality of their life.
Which is perfectly normal as far as I can see.
But I wouldn't have known her had it not been for youth group. Which she went to because she is religious.
See I personally believe in an overall creator, not man or woman, just energy of the ethereal realm
Things happened that cannot be explained by logic and the feeling of presence when alone has supported this thought.
I've explored other dimensions and have had revelations which show me how I am connected to EVERYTHING
This presence knows I acknowledge it and am thankful for it and it never asks me for tribute, as it knows my hearts intent already
Perhaps someone felt this way and decided to pen it down, but in the process the divine truth was manipulated. The creator doesn't want us to fear, it wants us to love and progress into enlightenment, but we are innately savage beast whose minds trick us into believing we are civil.
Well spoken. And seeing as I am passing out and have no idea how to argue with that I will simply say Adieu!
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
Protip: remove religion from your life and you'll have 60% less ππ© in your life
muggy, I don't understand why you must slander the truth. I can tell you that God is real, because I know it to be true, it is within yourself to accept it or not, but please, don't be so hateful towards me and my faith. :(
Quote from: IceScythe on May 15, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
Protip: remove religion from your life and you'll have 60% less ππ© in your life
muggy, I don't understand why you must slander the truth. I can tell you that God is real, because I know it to be true, it is within yourself to accept it or not, but please, don't be so hateful towards me and my faith. :(
I never said any specific religion in the quote you posted, it's a generalization, if you read other posts I written in this thread you would see that I have posted good done by various religions, but there is an awful amount of evil done by those that are "proponents of good"
I was raised with Both catholic and Protestant religious influence growing up, the negative I have stated is due to experience of it, otherwise I wouldn't be saying "hey don't worry about the creator, he knows whether or not you're legit" most religions tell people they need to be at a house of worship on a certain day or else the creator will be disappointed in them. Well the creator told me as a youth that I do not need to repent at a house of worship, I was informed to be an active force in changing lives and thought, not to be asking for forgiveness of my every move
If you choose not to believe in Spagetti Monster, then that's on you
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 15, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 15, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
Protip: remove religion from your life and you'll have 60% less ππ© in your life
muggy, I don't understand why you must slander the truth. I can tell you that God is real, because I know it to be true, it is within yourself to accept it or not, but please, don't be so hateful towards me and my faith. :(
I never said any specific religion in the quote you posted, it's a generalization, if you read other posts I written in this thread you would see that I have posted good done by various religions, but there is an awful amount of evil done by those that are "proponents of good"
I was raised with Both catholic and Protestant religious influence growing up, the negative I have stated is due to experience of it, otherwise I wouldn't be saying "hey don't worry about the creator, he knows whether or not you're legit" most religions tell people they need to be at a house of worship on a certain day or else the creator will be disappointed in them. Well the creator told me as a youth that I do not need to repent at a house of worship, I was informed to be an active force in changing lives and thought, not to be asking for forgiveness of my every move
If you choose not to believe in Spagetti Monster, then that's on you
:/ well you sure sound like you hate all of them, mine included, it's about as good as directly insulting it. it is true that you don't have to attend church to be a Christian, just as it is true that attending a church does not make you a Christian. let me ask you this, what is your purpose in life?
My purpose is my family blood and spiritual and to help restore some sanity by attempting to preserve the earth and its resources longer
Organized Religion is not necessary for any of this
Now you?
my purpose in life is to further the Kingdom of God by helping others to see the light, and to live in a way that honors him day by day. I also live to be a contributive member of society, and to have a strong, healthy family. I believe that a relationship with my lord and savior, Jesus Christ, allows me to do all of these things and more.
Many, many, MANY people CLAIM to be Christians. I don't know their hearts but many people that go to church and just go on Sunday because they have to, are not true Christians. There are also many that have taken it too far those that persecute others. We are and were the persecuted religion. In the Roman Empire, Nero burned Rome and blamed it on Christians. In North Korea today, military leaders are literally steamrolling Christians. So those that go to gay people and just condemn them are sinning themselves.
I know some people may of hurt some of you or you might just not care. But not all Christianity is like what some experience.
That's what I was trying to say
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Gay people are not condemned to hell because they are gay, a Christian can be gay, but it IS a sin, just like lying, stealing, jealousy, murder, ect. we have all sinned, no sin is any worse than another, they are all equally bad.
you cannot condemn a gay person, because you are just as corrupt in your soul as they are, there is no way around it. it is through grace and faith alone that we are saved.
Oh man.
If you're not trolling.....
I am totally and utterly serious, since you can't understand the gravity of my words, I believe I'll not be posting to this thread again. God bless.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:49:58 AM
Gay people are not condemned to hell because they are gay, a Christian can be gay, but it IS a sin
Technically that's not true (I call a lie on this), being gay is not a sin at all, giving in to temptation and having gay sex is a sin.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:49:58 AM
Gay people are not condemned to hell because they are gay, a Christian can be gay, but it IS a sin, just like lying, stealing, jealousy, murder, ect. we have all sinned, no sin is any worse than another, they are all equally bad.
you cannot condemn a gay person, because you are just as corrupt in your soul as they are, there is no way around it. it is through grace and faith alone that we are saved.
That's absurd. Why should being gay be a sin? Do you realise how wrong that is? You don't choose to be gay; it's like you don't choose to feel attracted to a woman (assuming you're a guy). Why should something natural, harmless, and PERSONAL above all things be a sin? This is what I meant earlier when I said that religion becomes tarnished when it tries to influence things it should have no say over. Why should religion be able to pass judgement on what goes on between two consenting people? That is between those people, and that doesn't merit ANY outside forces ruling on whether or not it is a "sin". This right here is my problem with religion.
What about all of the pastors, preachers, priests, etc that have come out in favor on same sex equality? Doesn't that blow your reason to hate religion all to hell (pun intended)
It's not the religion, it's the people in it that hold beliefs. Isn't religion nothing more than a tool for us to use? To me, blaming religion because some random nut is a volatile homophobe follows the same path of logic as blaming the Glock company because that one NBA player shot himself in the crotch a few years back. I don't understand that reasoning.
Granted, I do understand that religion is ocassionally used as vessel to spread bad things by bad people. I'm not arguing that it isn't. I'm just saying - who is to blame for that? Religion itself, or the people who abuse, pervert, and contort religion to spread their own personal agenda?
Just want to end on something a little more positive. Religion, wether you like it or not, wether you believe in God, or multiple Gods, or no God at all, has undeniably helped countless people over its years. It gives billions hope, moral guidance, direction, and togetherness every day. You don't hear about the good. The bad gets too much media. It's a damn shame.
And this is coming from a Deist. I don't believe in going to church. I don't believe in the bible. I don't believe God is an entity, I believe that God is creation. And these beliefs are correct...FOR ME. I love to hear from people of how church has helped them, and all the other good things that people's religions do for them. I think it's wonderful that people can find their own path and succeed in so many different ways. I am in 100% support of anyone and their beliefs, so long as they try their best to promote goodness towards each other. Tolerance, people! It's so important to accept beliefs that are not your own.
No. There can't be coexistence sadly. Have you seen the Jews? Everyone hates the Jews. Ever since they were a nation, they have been attacked and conquered by the Philistines, Caananites, Persians, Romans, Nazis, and now the Muslims. There is always a remnant though. There is only one universal truth. Saying there is no universal truth is a universal truth. You apply it to everything. You say not to force tour beliefs on another and you force coexistence on others. That is hypocritical. We all have sinned and fallen short of the kingdom of God and that is why Christ came to save us. Infinite wrath from an infinite God can only be satisfied by an infinite Savior. This is not of ourselves so no one can boast. This is the basis of Christianity.
:( I'm not trying to sound homophobic, i am saying that pursuing a sexual desire with the same sex is just as much a sin as fornication, and no worse either. if you have ever read the Pauline Epistles (which I assume you haven't) you would know that homosexuality is the very first sin of the flesh that Paul talks about. I'm not saying it's fine to be gay, but it is no worse than being a lier, or a thief. all sin is the same in Gods eyes.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 08:44:09 AMall sin is the same in Gods eyes.
Do you have any citations confirming this claim?
I blame television. We have all these shows about cheating, and sleeping around and lots of violence. And not treating people well. WTF? I'm not saying we should go back to those horribly mindless shows of the 60's and 70's like happy days, or worse...the Brady bunch. I'm just saying television is putting bad morels into people and the lack of discipline means...guess what...people will emulate what they see
Oh. I didn't read beyond the first page at the time I posted that
The male and female body's were made to fit together. I don't believe gays are born that way. Though neither do they choose it. It happens over a collection of there experiences. It doesn't happen in nature, so it is probably apart from a persons nature to be gay.
How do you explain the guy who was straight had a stroke and then suddenly was gay? Or how do you explain someone who was gay becoming straight?
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 08:44:09 AMall sin is the same in Gods eyes.
Do you have any citations confirming this claim?
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all sin and are thus unholy equally.
Quote from: The1337Magician on May 16, 2013, 10:47:29 AM
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 08:44:09 AMall sin is the same in Gods eyes.
Do you have any citations confirming this claim?
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all sin and are thus unholy equally.
This is not about equality of sins, it simply states that all humans are sinners, without determining if certain sins are more grave than others. The context is a discussion whether there's any value in being a Jew.
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: The1337Magician on May 16, 2013, 10:47:29 AM
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 08:44:09 AMall sin is the same in Gods eyes.
Do you have any citations confirming this claim?
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all sin and are thus unholy equally.
This is not about equality of sins, it simply states that all humans are sinners, without determining if certain sins are more grave than others. The context is a discussion whether there's any value in being a Jew.
I think this is closer to what he's looking for:
James 2:10 - "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it."
While it's true that it could be interpreted as "all sins are equal," the bible also talks about a greater sin, and sins that are unto death, and sins that aren't unto death, which implies they aren't all equal.
I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 16, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
Oh. I didn't read beyond the first page at the time I posted that
The male and female body's were made to fit together. I don't believe gays are born that way. Though neither do they choose it. It happens over a collection of there experiences. It doesn't happen in nature, so it is probably apart from a persons nature to be gay.
How do you explain the guy who was straight had a stroke and then suddenly was gay? Or how do you explain someone who was gay becoming straight?
I agree with you, also, I believe that even if you are attracted to someone, it is your decision whether or not to pursue that attraction.
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 12:04:31 PM
I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.
I agree. Like everything, people interpret it and bend it to mean what they want it to mean. As far as my personal opinion on that specific matter goes, I don't have one.
I did a quick Google (TM) search of "are all sins equal." Nothing gives a definite "yes" or "no." It's all interpreted bible verses.
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 12:04:31 PM
I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.
if you have delved deeper into Christiam Theology, you would know about total depravity. we are all totally and utterly depraved, the depths if our sin are infinite, and require an infinite atonement that we can never afford to give, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ provides this for those who are Christians.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 12:04:31 PM
I'm still not buying it, this bit seems to be a definition of who lawbreaker is.
if you have delved deeper into Christiam Theology, you would know about total depravity. we are all totally and utterly depraved, the depths if our sin are infinite, and require an infinite atonement that we can never afford to give, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ provides this for those who are Christians.
You're missing the point, yo. He's asking for a citation (bible verse) that explicitly says "all sins are equal." There is none. Only interpretations.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:10:44 PMwe are all totally and utterly depraved, the depths if our sin are infinite
That is even stronger claim, but I'm not sure if I want to see citations anymore :O
"Can a man be profitable unto God, as he that is wise may be profitable unto himself? Is it any pleasure to the Almighty, that thou art righteous? or is it gain to him, that thou makest thy ways perfect? Will he reprove thee for fear of thee? will he enter with thee into judgment? Is not thy wickedness great? and thine iniquities infinite?" (Job 22:2-5 KJV)
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:45:56 PMIs not thy wickedness great? and thine iniquities infinite?" (Job 22:2-5 KJV)
Well the answer to these questions is no.
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:45:56 PMIs not thy wickedness great? and thine iniquities infinite?" (Job 22:2-5 KJV)
Well the answer to these questions is no.
id have to say yes, they are.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 12:45:56 PMIs not thy wickedness great? and thine iniquities infinite?" (Job 22:2-5 KJV)
Well the answer to these questions is no.
id have to say yes, they are.
Why do you say that? What did you do to deserve to be named a man of great wickedness?
Posting bible verses are not fact. They are prose to be widely interpreted, but never concise of their true meaning. If this debate should continue reasonably let's not just throw blind bible verses out there.
Oh the idiots who rock "John 3:16"
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 16, 2013, 01:29:54 PM
Posting bible verses are not fact. They are prose to be widely interpreted, but never concise of their true meaning. If this debate should continue reasonably let's not just throw blind bible verses out there.
Oh the idiots who rock "John 3:16"
"I just whooped your ass" Austin 3:16
This goes straight back to my point.
Of each copy of the Bible being an interpretation of how someone else read it and they then wrote it down as how they interpreted it. But then. Others interpret their words differently than they thought ending in an infinitely distorted truth from what could have been originally intended..
KJV is the oldest common English version, and each person's interpretation is simply a translation from one language to another, a few words may change, but the story is always the same.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 03:24:39 PM
KJV is the oldest common English version, and each person's interpretation is simply a translation from one language to another, a few words may change, but the story is always the same.
I mean the message from the books can completely be misinterpreted. (Or taken too literally?) idk. But yeah.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 16, 2013, 03:35:16 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 03:24:39 PM
KJV is the oldest common English version, and each person's interpretation is simply a translation from one language to another, a few words may change, but the story is always the same.
I mean the message from the books can completely be misinterpreted. (Or taken too literally?) idk. But yeah.
there may be books out there that interpret the bible differently than it should, but the bible itself should ALWAYS stay true to the same story.
I'm meaning that the PEOPLE will take the book's differently.
yes, within the church there are different controversies that no one really agrees on, such as what the "thorn in Paul's side" really was, but the beauty of it, is that no matter whether you are Methodist, Baptist, or Ctholic, Jesus is Lord and Savior, none come to God except through him.
Do you believe in the Second Coming?
Yeah didn't the Christians predict may and October 2012 to be the end?
No. No Christians predicted the end. It was one man that was an idiot. "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."(Matthew 24:36 NIV)
A Christian could never predict the day of the Second Coming.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
yes, within the church there are different controversies that no one really agrees on, such as what the "thorn in Paul's side" really was, but the beauty of it, is that no matter whether you are Methodist, Baptist, or Ctholic, Jesus is Lord and Savior, none come to God except through him.
What does that even mean? According to the teachings of Jesus, no one comes to God other than by obeying iMtG Law, true or false? ;)
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
yes, within the church there are different controversies that no one really agrees on, such as what the "thorn in Paul's side" really was, but the beauty of it, is that no matter whether you are Methodist, Baptist, or Ctholic, Jesus is Lord and Savior, none come to God except through him.
What does that even mean? According to the teachings of Jesus, no one comes to God other than by obeying iMtG Law, true or false? ;)
Nice one Pi c:
I would have to say True.
And also. I'm not exactly sure how my thread about judging people based on the way they look turned into this huge religious debate
Quote from: Destore117 on May 16, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
And also. I'm not exactly sure how my thread about judging people based on the way they look turned into this huge religious debate
That's the nature of the beast. You haven't learned that by now?
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 16, 2013, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on May 16, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
And also. I'm not exactly sure how my thread about judging people based on the way they look turned into this huge religious debate
That's the nature of the beast. You haven't learned that by now?
I have now I suppose.
"Oh you're talking about Magic?"
Well!
"Lemme tell you a story about Jesus!"
Sounds legit.
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SIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST??????
I'm not one of those people. π
Quote from: The1337Magician on May 16, 2013, 04:58:22 PM
SIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST??????
I'm not one of those people. π
Haha
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
yes, within the church there are different controversies that no one really agrees on, such as what the "thorn in Paul's side" really was, but the beauty of it, is that no matter whether you are Methodist, Baptist, or Ctholic, Jesus is Lord and Savior, none come to God except through him.
What does that even mean? According to the teachings of Jesus, no one comes to God other than by obeying iMtG Law, true or false? ;)
No, I can break every single one if your laws, that would be sinning in Lying and such, but one doesn't need to keep the law to be a Christian. if the government says that being a Christian and proclaiming Jesus is the only way is hate speech on other religions, am I to be silent about the truth?
Hide button is always our option, and sometimes it's better than Don't ;)
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 16, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
yes, within the church there are different controversies that no one really agrees on, such as what the "thorn in Paul's side" really was, but the beauty of it, is that no matter whether you are Methodist, Baptist, or Ctholic, Jesus is Lord and Savior, none come to God except through him.
What does that even mean? According to the teachings of Jesus, no one comes to God other than by obeying iMtG Law, true or false? ;)
No, I can break every single one if your laws, that would be sinn
I thought that Jesus Christ was teaching Golden Rule all His life, and hardly anything more, apart from His love to His Father?
sorry I accidentally hit post too early, re-read above please
Before anyone gets offended here I suggest we select a new topic basis. Alright next person to post you're selecting our new material to debate
Go!
My comment still stands, or maybe I misunderstood.
Jesus spoke of it once. Do to others as you would have them do to you (Luke 6:31 NIV). He talked about a multitude of things. He talked mostly in parables. He didn't only talk about the Golden Rule. Also, the Golden Rule in the iMtG law isn't the true Golden Rule.
Where my Jews and Muslims at?
Quote from: The1337Magician on May 16, 2013, 07:11:23 PM
Jesus spoke of it once. Do to others as you would have them do to you (Luke 6:31 NIV). He talked about a multitude of things. He talked mostly in parables. He didn't only talk about the Golden Rule. Also, the Golden Rule in the iMtG law isn't the true Golden Rule.
His teachings can be boiled down to obeying iMtG law plus love of His Father. Please note that I said obeying, not the law itself. I do not agree with Jesus' view on judging and punishment, I think we can and should risk it.
I'm curious for the Christians in this thread to answer why there beliefs and bible stories were all taken from the Wiccan like rituals and stories o the religions that came before them. The mesomatamians and Sumerians had identical stories of faith and the means to follow them, and the existed far before even the first instance of anything Christian related. Or the Egyptian stories of the afterlife and sin? Christians just took what they liked from other older, even ancient religions before them to control the people beneath them of the time. All these are historical facts that you can easily find with a bit of research.
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 16, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
Oh. I didn't read beyond the first page at the time I posted that
The male and female body's were made to fit together. I don't believe gays are born that way. Though neither do they choose it. It happens over a collection of there experiences. It doesn't happen in nature, so it is probably apart from a persons nature to be gay.
How do you explain the guy who was straight had a stroke and then suddenly was gay? Or how do you explain someone who was gay becoming straight?
And gayness does indeed happen in nature. There are many studies done showing animal populations hat have gay animals within them. Happens in most mammal populations, were no exception to natures rule. It's a genetic diversity.
Which makes gayness part of Gods plan. Ergo. Not a sin
Gay animals die without procreating, that's nature's way of getting rid of them :)
Quote from: Piotr on May 19, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
Gay animals die without procreating, that's nature's way of getting rid of them :)
Really hope this isn't a homophobic response. Might have just ruined this whole community for me. I was raised by two mothers who raised me better than most of the population have been.
Piotr is most certainly not in my opinion, more so of a tongue in cheek type of guy
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 19, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
Gay animals die without procreating, that's nature's way of getting rid of them :)
Really hope this isn't a homophobic response.
Define 'homophobic response'.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Might have just ruined this whole community for me.
If you are ready to blame the whole of Gathering for what I say, you do not belong here.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
I was raised by two mothers who raised me better than most of the population have been.
Anecdotal evidence is frowned upon here.
Quote from: Piotr on May 19, 2013, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 19, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
Gay animals die without procreating, that's nature's way of getting rid of them :)
Really hope this isn't a homophobic response.
Define 'homophobic response'.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Might have just ruined this whole community for me.
If you are ready to blame the whole of Gathering for what I say, you do not belong here.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
I was raised by two mothers who raised me better than most of the population have been.
Anecdotal evidence is frowned upon here.
But you talking crap on a whole community of people is? And it's not magic getting the hate ere, it's an app ran by a bigot, that I see a problem with.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 16, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
Oh. I didn't read beyond the first page at the time I posted that
The male and female body's were made to fit together. I don't believe gays are born that way. Though neither do they choose it. It happens over a collection of there experiences. It doesn't happen in nature, so it is probably apart from a persons nature to be gay.
How do you explain the guy who was straight had a stroke and then suddenly was gay? Or how do you explain someone who was gay becoming straight?
And gayness does indeed happen in nature. There are many studies done showing animal populations hat have gay animals within them. Happens in most mammal populations, were no exception to natures rule. It's a genetic diversity.
I define 'natural' as 'occurring in nature as a rule not an exception'. To give you a quick example of my logic, mental illness does happen in nature, but is not a natural attribute of a healthy animal, it is an exception to be mentally ill. Following that definition and logic, gayness is not natural and the theory is further confirmed by the fact that gayness means dead end for the combination of genes which would be responsible for it.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 05:57:45 PM
But you talking crap on a whole community of people is? And it's not magic getting the hate ere, it's an app ran by a bigot, that I see a problem with.
You are guilty of breaking the iMtG Law by insulting me unprovoked, do you have anything to say before I deal punishment?
Tht was in response to the other post saying it doesn't happen in nature, which like I said many studies have shown it does indeed happen in nature. In not arguing its place in evolution and he furthering of a species, just thy most mammal populations have it happen and still exsist today. It has been happening since the dawn of civilization and maybe even in ancestral times.
30 days ban, get back to us when you learn some civility.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 19, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
Piotr is most certainly not in my opinion, more so of a tongue in cheek type of guy
My stance is this: I have nothing against gay people as long as they keep their private stuff private. I will not force anyone to have their sex other than how they prefer, simply because I follow iMtG Law. On the other hand, I do not want homosexuality to be advertised and promoted forcefully, or else.
Quote from: Harvest on May 19, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
I'm curious for the Christians in this thread to answer why there beliefs and bible stories were all taken from the Wiccan like rituals and stories o the religions that came before them. The mesomatamians and Sumerians had identical stories of faith and the means to follow them, and the existed far before even the first instance of anything Christian related. Or the Egyptian stories of the afterlife and sin? Christians just took what they liked from other older, even ancient religions before them to control the people beneath them of the time. All these are historical facts that you can easily find with a bit of research.
The Jews are the starters of Christian beliefs. Adam was the first man. Abraham was a Mesopotamian. Moses was an Egyptian. Through all this, the Jews left others of slavery to make their own nation. Jesus was a Jew and started Christianity. The Jews and Christians share the Old Testament.
That seems a little harsh, Piotr. You insulted him by calling his parents unnatural, when by the true definition of "natural," which is "existing in or formed by nature" (copy and pasted from the dictionary.com, definition 1). You did harm to him by degrading his mothers, which he was clearly offended by. Thus, you broke iMtG law yourself, also. What punishment do you impose for that? Does Harvest not deserve restitution for being hurt as well?
On another note, there are numerous studies that show that homosexual parents raise children equally effectively and healthy as heterosexual parents. A quick google search can find them, and if you'd like I could go go find some links if it would so please you ;)
Quote from: Gorzo on May 19, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
That seems a little harsh, Piotr. You insulted him by calling his parents unnatural, when by the true definition of "natural," which is "existing in or formed by nature" (copy and pasted from the dictionary.com, definition 1). You did harm to him by degrading his mothers, which he was clearly offended by. Thus, you broke iMtG law yourself, also. What punishment do you impose for that? Does Harvest not deserve restitution for being hurt as well?
On another note, there are numerous studies that show that homosexual parents raise children equally effectively and healthy as heterosexual parents. A quick google search can find them, and if you'd like I could go go find some links if it would so please you ;)
I was insulted before I had the chance to define 'natural', please check the chronology as it is quite important when judging such cases.
I didn't call his parents unnatural, I provided my reasonable definition of 'natural', if by that definition his parents are indeed unnatural, that is an objective fact under my definition. Very similar to an objective fact that certain Christian beliefs have base in Wiccan-like mythology, or whatever. It wasn't my intention to insult as I do not see unnatural as something bad, I consider myself unnatural by my definition.
By your definition of 'natural' absolutely everything is natural, so your definition is pretty much useless in practice. For example, by your definition 'murder' is natural.
I find homosexual practices between men disgusting and unnatural, but I tolerate them as long as they are performed in privacy: no victim no crime. Tolerance is something fundamentally different from acceptance, I do not accept current promotion of homosexuality. Please do not advocate homosexuality here.
Gay people have no special protection on this forum, everyone is treated equally as long as they obey iMtG Law.
Quote from: Piotr on May 20, 2013, 05:04:09 AM
I was insulted before I had the chance to define 'natural', please check the chronology as it is quite important when judging such cases.
I didn't call his parents unnatural, I provided my reasonable definition of 'natural', if by that definition his parents are indeed unnatural, that is an objective fact under my definition. Very similar to an objective fact that certain Christian beliefs have base in Wiccan-like mythology, or whatever. It wasn't my intention to insult as I do not see unnatural as something bad, I consider myself unnatural by my definition.
That's all well and good, and I'm not saying that he didn't cross the line with his insult to you. I'm agreeing that his insult was uncalled for, I'm just trying to show you why he was so upset by your comment, and that you in fact hurt him too.
Quote from: Piotr on May 20, 2013, 05:04:09 AM
By your definition of 'natural' absolutely everything is natural, so your definition is pretty much useless in practice.
Untrue. 1st, it's not "my" definition, it's the literal and actual definition. If you redefine a word to mean something else, how is a stranger supposed to know that? If you don't tell him "oh by the way, 'Hello' means 'Please stab me with a knife 30 times' to me," of course he's not going to understand why you're stabbing him.
2nd, not everything falls under this at all. Bronze is unnatural. It is made by combining copper and tin, two natural minerals, but is not found in nature. it is man made. Steel is unnatural. Plastic is unnatural. These things are all manufactured. A genetically engineered, seventeen-armed man is also unnatural - manufactured as well, in a different way. Still unnatural. A person who happens to be attracted to someone of the same sex? Happens pretty often, and not just in humans. Without manufacturing them.
Quote from: Piotr on May 20, 2013, 05:04:09 AM
I find homosexual practices between men disgusting and unnatural, but I tolerate them as long as they are performed in privacy: no victim no crime. Tolerance is something fundamentally different from acceptance, I do not accept current promotion of homosexuality. Please do not advocate homosexuality here.
You are 100% entitled to your beliefs, no matter how much I disagree with you on this one. However that last part seems...odd to me. If I, or anyone, chose to advocate or speak in favor of the homosexual community, would you stifle those who spoke out? Would use silence free speech, and/or use prevention against them?
Quote from: Piotr on May 20, 2013, 05:04:09 AM
Gay people have no special protection on this forum, everyone is treated equally as long as they obey iMtG Law.
I hope I didn't give the wrong impression - I am in no way in favor of special protection for any group, person, or people. I am saying what I say because I do want equal treatment for all. I do not want bias to cause unjust over-punishment for this particular member.
'If you redefine a word to mean something else, how is a stranger supposed to know that?' - You seem to dismiss the fact that I provided my definition of 'natural', together with clarifying example.
'Bronze is unnatural.' - this is helpful, you define 'natural' as 'non man-made'. Under that definition, homosexuality would indeed seem to be natural. Still, if some random twat gets 'offended' by a word which has no pejorative connotations at all and insults any member based on his 'hurt feelings', they will face just punishment, no worries. We are practical folks here, I love discussions, philosophy, splitting hairs and stuff, but enough is enough.
'If I, or anyone, chose to advocate or speak in favor of the homosexual community, would you stifle those who spoke out? Would use silence free speech, and/or use prevention against them?' - I can prove that people do not want homosexual advocacy be done to them. You are free to advocate whatever you please on your own private property. We are very pro free speech on Gathering, but I will not hesitate to stop certain ideas from spreading. I have good reasons for that, if only PG-9.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 20, 2013, 05:45:21 AM
I do not want bias to cause unjust over-punishment for this particular member.
Between you and me, he was trying to pick up a fight. 30 days should be enough to heal his nose bleed.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 20, 2013, 05:45:21 AM
I do not want bias to cause unjust over-punishment for this particular member.
Ban is not a harsh punishment. It's not really a proper punishment at all. All of you are welcome guests on my forum, but it is my forum, my private property and I can revoke your invitation to it at any point of time at my whim. I do not execute this right at my whim, rather I use iMtG Law to restrain myself, but it is my right nevertheless, as per natural private ownership laws. This is actually how I 'enforce' iMtG Law in practice, as the owner of the forum.
For what he said to me the proper punishment is non-permanent-damaging punch in the face, should the victim wish to enjoy it, or less if proper apology was received. Fair enough?
Quote from: Piotr on May 20, 2013, 05:04:09 AM
I find homosexual practices between men disgusting
To clarify, I find disgusting sticking male reproductive organs into exit holes of other male's digestive tract.
Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!
Quote from: Destore117 on May 20, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!
Don't worry, we're not fighting, only debating! Debate is good and healty, and an important form of expressing one's self.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 20, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on May 20, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!
Don't worry, we're not fighting, only debating! Debate is good and healty, and an important form of expressing one's self.
true, but I think we could all calm it down a few degrees.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 20, 2013, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on May 20, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on May 20, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!
Don't worry, we're not fighting, only debating! Debate is good and healty, and an important form of expressing one's self.
true, but I think we could all calm it down a few degrees.
Indeed^^
Like I'm all for debates but some of these are border lining straight assaulting people.
As a heterosexual male who is comfortable with my sexuality, I gotta be honest guys, there aren't enough gay guys in the world. Now before you judge, consider this...
If EVERY other guy but me was gay, That would leave every single straight female at my mercy. It would make me the most desirable bachelor on the planet. As far as I'm concerned, the more gay guys there are, the easier it is for the rest of us. Think about it lol
If you can't get a straight female in this world due to ratio of competition...you're doing it wrong π
I'm saying generally. I'm already mated. I'm just saying that gay people make promiscuity easier for the straight people...lol
That is true, although I'm already mated too :D
Lol double o, interesting take on things :P
Quote from: Piotr on May 19, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
Gay animals die without procreating, that's nature's way of getting rid of them :)
I have to question the decency of this statement. It smacks of eugenics and I can see how it would stir up dischord in this discussion. Piotr, you were well within your rights as forum administrator to ban Harvest for offending you and I don't dispute your right to silence conversations in your forum that make you uncomfortable. Still, I think it's important for all of us to try and understand the perspective of the members on the other side of the debate in order to enhance our learning and understanding. It saddens me to see that neither side of this discussion exemplified this skill. I say this not to stir up contempt or to show any disrespect to Harvest or Piotr or any other member that participated here but in the hope that future discussions will progress with a greater spirit of inquiry and tolerance.
And now back to your regularly scheduled debate.
So......... How about that airplane food.
Business class is ok :P
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
Don't forget monkeys.
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
i call BS on this because you obviously don't know how salmon reproduce. They don't have to have you-know-what to reproduce. The female's lays eggs, and the males just shoot there seed into the water. Since they don't have you-know-what, they don't have any you-know orientation
Edit: salmon also die after reproducing, so there lives are based purely on instinct and have no room for homosexual behavior
Load in the water...lol...salmon are wierd lol
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on May 23, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Load in the water...lol...salmon are wierd lol
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I think abnormal is probably a better word than unnatural.
Quote from: Piotr on May 23, 2013, 03:56:46 PM
I think abnormal is probably a better word than unnatural.
Agree. Abnormal still can have negative connotations to it that I don't agree with, but by definition, it is accurate.
As for the gay animal thing...the Columbus zoo has a bisexual penguin.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 23, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 23, 2013, 03:56:46 PM
I think abnormal is probably a better word than unnatural.
Agree. Abnormal still can have negative connotations to it that I don't agree with, but by definition, it is accurate.
As for the gay animal thing...the Columbus zoo has a bisexual penguin.
i stand corrected
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
In my experience, dogs will try to mate with anything and everything while they are still immature.
Ew
I don't think that came across as I had intended πππ
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 23, 2013, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
In my experience, dogs will try to mate with anything and everything while they are still immature.
Uhh...
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 23, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
I don't think that came across as I had intended πππ
π lol
I'll go ahead and clarify that I've seen dogs go at it with stuffed animals, male dogs, female dogs, etc. Not me lol
XD
I saw a young turtle try to hump someone's green crocs once!
I didn't mean for the thread to go this direction...
meh, at least nobody is screaming bloody murder at each other.
Where the thread was going
Discussion on classification of peopleβ‘ (right means right :) )
where religion made it go β(wavy disputing which stopped original thread and started a whole new discussion)
Where you made it go
πβ©βͺ‡‴β(I don't know where this is going anymore π)
Do you think if you snuck up on your food, it would taste different? Like, if you're clearly eating the mashed potatoes (yum) and than BAM out of nowhere you snag a bite of corn (yum) would it taste different due to the element of surprise?
hmm, well I imagine if you surprise it too harshly it may release it's bowels and your food will taste like poo.
Woah. I didn't think of that. I'm glad you brought that up before I did. You saved my life. Foil {ground seal} for you. Draw a card. Now you can keep that, but I get my foil ground seal back. Sorry, I don't make the rules...
:D
Lost. Utterly lost here π
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
i call BS on this because you obviously don't know how salmon reproduce. They don't have to have you-know-what to reproduce. The female's lays eggs, and the males just shoot there seed into the water. Since they don't have you-know-what, they don't have any you-know orientation
Edit: salmon also die after reproducing, so there lives are based purely on instinct and have no room for homosexual behavior
Just wanted to say, I do know how salmon reproduce. Do not call BS on something you yourself no little about. You said humans are the only animals to exhibit homosexual behavior. I have a list, of animals that do. Even if Salmon in fact didn't exhibit homosexual behavior, what do you have to say for the other animals I listed?
Sorry for detailing the thread, but I try to correct false information wherever possible.
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 24, 2013, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
i call BS on this because you obviously don't know how salmon reproduce. They don't have to have you-know-what to reproduce. The female's lays eggs, and the males just shoot there seed into the water. Since they don't have you-know-what, they don't have any you-know orientation
Edit: salmon also die after reproducing, so there lives are based purely on instinct and have no room for homosexual behavior
Just wanted to say, I do know how salmon reproduce. Do not call BS on something you yourself no little about. You said humans are the only animals to exhibit homosexual behavior. I have a list, of animals that do. Even if Salmon in fact didn't exhibit homosexual behavior, what do you have to say for the other animals I listed?
Sorry for detailing the thread, but I try to correct false information wherever possible.
You do know how salmon reproduce yet you claim that they show homosexual behaviour? There's not much wrong with being mistaken, but if you repeat an obvious lie you will get in trouble.
About the other animals you listed, their normal natural behaviour is to have heterosexual intercourses, being gay is abnormal for them.
If you want to correct false information in the future, you should provide further evidence. BB called a lie AND provided logical reasoning, you simply repeated your claims.
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 24, 2013, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
i call BS on this because you obviously don't know how salmon reproduce. They don't have to have you-know-what to reproduce. The female's lays eggs, and the males just shoot there seed into the water. Since they don't have you-know-what, they don't have any you-know orientation
Edit: salmon also die after reproducing, so there lives are based purely on instinct and have no room for homosexual behavior
Just wanted to say, I do know how salmon reproduce. Do not call BS on something you yourself no little about. You said humans are the only animals to exhibit homosexual behavior. I have a list, of animals that do. Even if Salmon in fact didn't exhibit homosexual behavior, what do you have to say for the other animals I listed?
Sorry for detailing the thread, but I try to correct false information wherever possible.
i was actually surprised because I know so much about animals, and yet I had never heard of this. Most other animals (save for dolphins and a few others) only have you-know-what to mate. Not for fun. So why would they? And I only said I stand corrected after someone said there was a bi penguin in captivity
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 25, 2013, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 24, 2013, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: ZeroNero on May 23, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 23, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
There is only one animal were there is homosexuality...humans. So one could reason its not natural
Wrong. There are quite a few. Dogs and Cats exhibit homosexual behavior. So do Dolphins (also one of the most intelligent animals.), Garter Snakes, Salmon, and Gulls. Also, if it exists in nature, it's natural.
i call BS on this because you obviously don't know how salmon reproduce. They don't have to have you-know-what to reproduce. The female's lays eggs, and the males just shoot there seed into the water. Since they don't have you-know-what, they don't have any you-know orientation
Edit: salmon also die after reproducing, so there lives are based purely on instinct and have no room for homosexual behavior
Just wanted to say, I do know how salmon reproduce. Do not call BS on something you yourself no little about. You said humans are the only animals to exhibit homosexual behavior. I have a list, of animals that do. Even if Salmon in fact didn't exhibit homosexual behavior, what do you have to say for the other animals I listed?
Sorry for detailing the thread, but I try to correct false information wherever possible.
i was actually surprised because I know so much about animals, and yet I had never heard of this. Most other animals (save for dolphins and a few others) only have you-know-what to mate. Not for fun. So why would they? And I only said I stand corrected after someone said there was a bi penguin in captivity
Okay I will apologize Birdbrain. And I hope there will be no hard feelings. I admit my last post was... Rather harsh. So, my apologies there.
As for Piotr, I will concede that Birdbrain was right and I was in the wrong about Salmon behavior. But, I never claimed that it wasn't abnormal for animals to exhibit homosexual behavior. Just that some species do. Thus, it is natural because it exists in nature.
Piotr just said those animals don't do that in the wild. Provide proof they do
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 25, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Piotr just said those animals don't do that in the wild.
No I didn't, I said they normal behaviour in nature is not to have homosexual intercourses. Animals can be deviated from norm same as humans.
And is there a problem in being abnormal?
In general, no. In the particular case of homosexuality I would argue that yes, as it prevents spreading of the genes which are responsible for the making of the host homosexual.
If it is just genes. I believe there are. Other factors as well
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
In general, no. In the particular case of homosexuality I would argue that yes, as it prevents spreading of the genes which are responsible for the making of the host homosexual.
genes don't make someone homosexual. You said it yourself, its not natural. So how can it be passed through genes? Your statement seems contradictory to what you said earlier
Ill even argue with people who have close to the same view as me if they say something contradictory, or doesn't make sense
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 25, 2013, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
In general, no. In the particular case of homosexuality I would argue that yes, as it prevents spreading of the genes which are responsible for the making of the host homosexual.
genes don't make someone homosexual.
I never said so: genes responsible for the making (as in, having heterosexual intercourse to breed the host, or as in building up the DNA and RNA of the host) of the host are all host's genes, not just some. Whether some of them are responsible for the host's homosexuality is irrelevant to the proof. The genes are the 'victim' ;)
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 25, 2013, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
In general, no. In the particular case of homosexuality I would argue that yes, as it prevents spreading of the genes which are responsible for the making of the host homosexual.
genes don't make someone homosexual. You said it yourself, its not natural. So how can it be passed through genes? Your statement seems contradictory to what you said earlier
Ill even argue with people who have close to the same view as me if they say something contradictory, or doesn't make sense
Being colorblind isn't natural, and is passed by genes
Quote from: Mentonin on May 25, 2013, 03:14:49 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 25, 2013, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
In general, no. In the particular case of homosexuality I would argue that yes, as it prevents spreading of the genes which are responsible for the making of the host homosexual.
genes don't make someone homosexual. You said it yourself, its not natural. So how can it be passed through genes? Your statement seems contradictory to what you said earlier
Ill even argue with people who have close to the same view as me if they say something contradictory, or doesn't make sense
Being colorblind isn't natural, and is passed by genes
I learned the hard way that some people have very different definition of 'natural' than me. Some people define natural as physical (as in the laws of physics), contrary to spiritual, which is angels and ghosts and dragons and stuff. In other words, if something is real then it is natural. In emotional sense natural is neither positive or negative to me, it can be both to the extreme. Under that definition homosexuality is natural, in a negative way looking from the genes' perspective. I used to define natural as something occurring in nature as a norm rather than an exception, but I think the proper word for that is abnormal, defined as deviated from the norm.
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 25, 2013, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
In general, no. In the particular case of homosexuality I would argue that yes, as it prevents spreading of the genes which are responsible for the making of the host homosexual.
genes don't make someone homosexual. You said it yourself, its not natural. So how can it be passed through genes? Your statement seems contradictory to what you said earlier
Ill even argue with people who have close to the same view as me if they say something contradictory, or doesn't make sense
Genes do matter. Recessive traits have interesting ways of popping up. For example, my mother has green eyes. My father has brown eyes. My brother and I both have blue eyes. Green eyes are double-recessive, so the blue had to have come from my father. (And yes, he is my real father lol. My brother looks just like him, and I have many traits of my grandparents on that side) my grandparents' eyes were both brown. Their parents eyes were all brown. We -think- my grandfather's grandfather -might- have had blue eyes.
And homosexuals do pass on their genes. Not always, of course, but it happens. It is not unheard of for a father with wife and children to come out as gay. Hell, it happens in .politics. pretty often. Not to mention the passing of DNA through artificial means - surrogate mother and artificial insemination and such.
I guess my bottom line is "crazy world - stuff happens." Never assume that any group of people will fit one mold that you make for them in your mind. There are ALWAYS exceptions when it comes to the human race.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 25, 2013, 03:25:22 PM
I guess my bottom line is "crazy world - stuff happens." Never assume that any group of people will fit one mold that you make for them in your mind. There are ALWAYS exceptions when it comes to the human race.
True, but it doesn't disprove that being homosexual significantly decreases the chance of spreading their genes, does it? ;)
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 03:34:29 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on May 25, 2013, 03:25:22 PM
I guess my bottom line is "crazy world - stuff happens." Never assume that any group of people will fit one mold that you make for them in your mind. There are ALWAYS exceptions when it comes to the human race.
True, but it doesn't disprove that being homosexual significantly decreases the chance of spreading their genes, does it? ;)
Oh, absolutely. But it does happen.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 25, 2013, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: Piotr on May 25, 2013, 03:34:29 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on May 25, 2013, 03:25:22 PM
I guess my bottom line is "crazy world - stuff happens." Never assume that any group of people will fit one mold that you make for them in your mind. There are ALWAYS exceptions when it comes to the human race.
True, but it doesn't disprove that being homosexual significantly decreases the chance of spreading their genes, does it? ;)
Oh, absolutely. But it does happen.
I'll call a lie if anyone claims that homosexuality doesn't happen, or I'll go mad, bro ;)
I think we have to be careful of asserting that genetic success denotes value or even normality. Serial rapists, venerial disease and sexual predators are prime examples of genetic success but not particularly natural (considering some of the suspected origins of vd) and certainly not ... nifty.
Pedophilia is common among chimpanzees, does this make pedophilia natural, common, or acceptable? I vote no, it does not.
Quote from: Langku on May 25, 2013, 10:38:26 PM
I think we have to be careful of asserting that genetic success denotes value or even normality.
Indeed, genetic failure being this or that does not necessarily make genetic success the opposite. The reality is not black and white and we should remember that.
Quote from: Destore117 on May 12, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
So I know this may offend people but it shouldn't. It's simply my opinion.
I am sick of all the "Classifications" of different kinds of people.
Oh you have glasses?
Nerd.
Oh you wear heavy black boots?
Goth.
Oh you have colorful hair?
Hipster
Oh you wear a backwards baseball cap?
Swag f**
On and so forth.
Anyways! It just annoys me that there are SO many different ways to divide people when many of these assumptions are false and based on nothing. It's just how "Society" (or the foolish individuals that opinions somehow count as "Society")
Pictures these people.
I get sick of it.
Now am I saying I'm not guilty of it?
No. I have seen a quiet girl with long black hair and considered she might be emotionally distressed (emo) but like. Seeing it happen to people who already get enough grievances out of their daily lives such as personal home problems, financial issues, etc. it makes me sick that people can find just so many ways to annoy each other.
Moral of this is.
People. You don't know people.
Stop judging.
http://shotbow.net/forum/threads/2188/
Hey I'm this generation... Oh .poo. your right I'm gonna start buying beans and concrete because everyone I know is insane I wish you all the best of luck
I'm surprised this thread was as popular as it was. To end with the flare of this generation
#YoloSwag420BluntmasterGetMoney
#WhatTheDuck
That's how kids converse nowadays. Ebonics. That's all it is anymore.
,_, honestly, where did logic go?
Like I tried to talk to someone about why they shouldn't sleep around because they said how they want meaningful relationships but they're never going to date a virgin and if he is he's not going to be for long and like I tried to tell them this is idiotic and self destructive emotionally. You know what their answer was. "I like sex" they're 15. Like really?...I give up...
-___- I give up too, I'm the same age as them, I have yet to go on a legitimate date for I have not yet found a suitable partner, also I would have no ride. and I have no money. so... yeah.
Quote from: IceScythe on July 05, 2013, 12:51:25 AM
,_, honestly, where did logic go?
It jumped out the window the day the computer came in the door ;)
,_, it did not leave when we created computers, it left when we made... THE INTERNET
I totally know the cause.
Glee. *#%^ you glee!
,_, hate that show
Was quoting 21 jump street
Quote from: IceScythe on July 05, 2013, 12:51:25 AM
,_, honestly, where did logic go?
if logic and/or common sense were magic cards, they'd be mythic rares
I think they'd be even more expensive than black lotus ._.
Not legal in anything.
{Common Sense} Rare
{Logic} Uncommon
{Integrity} Uncommon
Quote from: Destore117 on October 05, 2013, 06:46:40 PM
{Common Sense} Rare
{Logic} Uncommon
{Integrity} Uncommon
In America:
{Any Brain Activity} Mythic Rare
So this post has gotten over 1000 views! That's awesome!
Kids are just consumed by media buy this look like this have this or you aren't cool I see it all the time there's no just being your self any more you have to fit in or your that weird kid that no one likes to hang out with. Media just makes it worse when I can go behind a screen and be who ever I want ridicule any one I want. Ill go behind a screen and call you f*g or b^tch or fat because I can. I know it will hurt you but I'm gonna do it because you don't fit in because your different. I like being different I don't think I can be classified as something because I'm not a stereotype I'm my own person
^ well spoke
I like how I play magic with a group of friends at school and we're considered nerdy and weird and what not because we play magic.
This is why I love my school, everyone is nice, I thought I'd never find a place where everyone is so well intigrated with everyone else. Race, social class, economic class, material possessions, nobody cares, just hang out with whoever shares interests with you. In comparison with my last highschool, this place is heaven on earth. I was a total social outcast. Most of my friends were always depressed, and it wore down on me. Glad I (or really my mother) found the right place for me. :)
Quote from: IceScythe on October 06, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
This is why I love my school, everyone is nice, I thought I'd never find a place where everyone is so well intigrated with everyone else. Race, social class, economic class, material possessions, nobody cares, just hang out with whoever shares interests with you. In comparison with my last highschool, this place is heaven on earth. I was a total social outcast. Most of my friends were always depressed, and it wore down on me. Glad I (or really my mother) found the right place for me. :)
If I may ask where do you go to school? Where is this wonderful place? :D
Quote from: Destore117 on October 06, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on October 06, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
This is why I love my school, everyone is nice, I thought I'd never find a place where everyone is so well intigrated with everyone else. Race, social class, economic class, material possessions, nobody cares, just hang out with whoever shares interests with you. In comparison with my last highschool, this place is heaven on earth. I was a total social outcast. Most of my friends were always depressed, and it wore down on me. Glad I (or really my mother) found the right place for me. :)
If I may ask where do you go to school? Where is this wonderful place? :D
I know, I didn't realize there were schools in rainbow-land or does the school have marijuana pumped through the ventilation system.
My school does :| it constantly reeks of Mary Jane. I don't smoke but I think It's hilarious when they have the lockdown drills with the dogs you hear them bark and you're like "Welp! someone is gonna be leaving soon"
Quote from: Destore117 on October 06, 2013, 07:32:18 PM
My school does :| it constantly reeks of Mary Jane. I don't smoke but I think It's hilarious when they have the lockdown drills with the dogs you hear them bark and you're like "Welp! someone is gonna be leaving soon"
Yeah, almost every time we here dogs, two or three people get suspended. The funny part is my school is pretty small and rural (our whole school has about 7-800 kids and our town is only 2500) so you wouldn't think drugs would be a huge problem.
My school is well. Middle of nowhere. Between two small towns. And all kids do around here is either
Play video games
Drink
Smoke
Party
Play magic
I am 1 and 5 :p
Quote from: Destore117 on October 06, 2013, 07:44:01 PM
My school is well. Middle of nowhere. Between two small towns. And all kids do around here is either
Play video games
Drink
Smoke
Party
Play magic
I am 1 and 5 :p
That's good, don't want to get caught doing 2-4 and ruin your life before it starts. I'm obviously 5, but that's about it. I don't have any consoles so I don't play games...
That's one of the saddest statements I may have ever heard in my life... :( I wouldn't survive without video games (wait that's sadder ;-;)
Quote from: Imink on October 06, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
Kids are just consumed by media buy this look like this have this or you aren't cool I see it all the time there's no just being your self any more you have to fit in or your that weird kid that no one likes to hang out with. Media just makes it worse when I can go behind a screen and be who ever I want ridicule any one I want. Ill go behind a screen and call you f*g or b^tch or fat because I can. I know it will hurt you but I'm gonna do it because you don't fit in because your different. I like being different I don't think I can be classified as something because I'm not a stereotype I'm my own person
You may enjoy this:
http://youtu.be/5HbYScltf1c
The first 1:15 is only relevant to what you're saying but the rest of it is also true/hilarious.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 06, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on October 06, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on October 06, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
This is why I love my school, everyone is nice, I thought I'd never find a place where everyone is so well intigrated with everyone else. Race, social class, economic class, material possessions, nobody cares, just hang out with whoever shares interests with you. In comparison with my last highschool, this place is heaven on earth. I was a total social outcast. Most of my friends were always depressed, and it wore down on me. Glad I (or really my mother) found the right place for me. :)
If I may ask where do you go to school? Where is this wonderful place? :D
I know, I didn't realize there were schools in rainbow-land or does the school have marijuana pumped through the ventilation system.
it is a private college prep school
Quote from: IceScythe on October 06, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 06, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on October 06, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on October 06, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
This is why I love my school, everyone is nice, I thought I'd never find a place where everyone is so well intigrated with everyone else. Race, social class, economic class, material possessions, nobody cares, just hang out with whoever shares interests with you. In comparison with my last highschool, this place is heaven on earth. I was a total social outcast. Most of my friends were always depressed, and it wore down on me. Glad I (or really my mother) found the right place for me. :)
If I may ask where do you go to school? Where is this wonderful place? :D
I know, I didn't realize there were schools in rainbow-land or does the school have marijuana pumped through the ventilation system.
it is a private college prep school
Oh...that makes more sense now...