Let's keep this centralized. If I a mod could sticky this, you'd be owshome.
I wonder if the return of slivers means they're going to bring them back in a block. I just hope they don't get carried away with slivers...
I missed the slivers before, so this is my first experience with them. From what I've heard, they were fairly OP.
May I point out that vampires were in M12. And then we got...innistrad! So its fair to assume slivers are either going to be in theros. Or whatever this Huewy Duewy non-sense is
Ah! I think I know what the next plane after theros is! I think we will return to...whatever Urza's birthplane was
Edit: may I also point out...Krenko is from ravnica
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 07, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
Ah! I think I know what the next plane after theros is! I think we will return to...whatever Urza's birthplane was
Edit: may I also point out...Krenko is from ravnica
Dominaria is Urza's bith plane I believe. That would be cool.
Here's proof that {Krenko, mob boss} is from ravnica. He was in M13, which was just before RtR
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/219
And here
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/204
Wow, don't take the title of the thread too seriously there birdbrain. We also got {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis} who based on his name hails from grixis, and we didn't return to alara, we also got {Talrand, Sky Summoner} who hails from shalandar, and we also didn't go there. {Krenko, Mob Boss} (and {Yeva, Nature's Herald} for that matter) were just printed in the set as legendarys for colors that happened to be from ravnica, not as dead giveaways we were returning to ravnica..
Quote from: Vyse on May 07, 2013, 07:43:13 PM
Wow, don't take the title of the thread too seriously there birdbrain. We also got {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis} who based on his name hails from grixis, and we didn't return to alara, we also got {Talrand, Sky Summoner} who hails from shalandar, and we also didn't go there. {Krenko, Mob Boss} (and {Yeva, Nature's Herald} for that matter) were just printed in the set as legendarys for colors, not as dead giveaways we were returning to ravnica..
Yeva is from ravnica?
An alara is a multi-colored block. He could have been indicating a return to a multi-color block
{Yeva's Forcemage} hints to it. All I'm saying is don't take small things from a set and declare them giveaways as to where we are going next. It's not completely out of the question we might be returning to dominaria, we may very well be, especially with the way sets are released (new, core return to old, core, etc).
Ok. Ill just set the theory in the back of my mind than
Oh! One last thing. From what I've read about shalandar. It mentions "guilds"
Didn't we already know we were going back to Ravnica before M13?
Now that you mention it haha..
Let's just drop it. What kind of things do you think we will see in M14?
I think WotC has already talked about some rivalry between Chandra and a new, unnamed character.
Perhaps we will see the return of {Jace Beleren}. I think new players are whining about {Jace, Memory Adept} being too powerful.
I would love to see baby Jace again!!!
Id like to see them reprint {Jace, Memory Adept}. They aren't going to make a new Jace (just did, and he's not that good), they're going to make a new Chandra obviously. Black Planeswalker will probably be {Liliana of the Dark Realms} again, Green will likely be {Garruk, Primal Hunter} (we just got a new one) White is the swing spot for Gideon/Ajani, I'm leaning toward Ajani.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 07, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Perhaps we will see the return of {Jace Beleren}. I think new players are whining about {Jace, Memory Adept} being too powerful.
What?! Baby Jace is so much more powerful! I do hope the baby gets a chance though. He is great. Maybe a new blue walker? Kiora Atua?
Hopefully a nice colored set of something cool ala the titans and the death of thragy
I want some new faces. New chandra. Jace, memory adept. New liliana or new black pw. New garruk or new green pw. New ajani or new white pw.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 07, 2013, 09:05:26 PM
Id like to see them reprint {Jace, Memory Adept}. They aren't going to make a new Jace (just did, and he's not that good), they're going to make a new Chandra obviously. Black Planeswalker will probably be {Liliana of the Dark Realms} again, Green will likely be {Garruk, Primal Hunter} (we just got a new one) White is the swing spot for Gideon/Ajani, I'm leaning toward Ajani.
I think ajani will get it but both him and Gideon are new. Maybe a new elspeth?
Well let's see,
Red: New Chandra
Blue: I'm hoping {Jace the Memory Adept}, because he is a key control card against aggro, but it might be ok to see {Jace Beleren}, which will be nice with {Notion Theif}.
Green: I'm assuming a {Garruk the Primal Hunter}. But it could be cool to see a new {Nissa Reveane}.
Black: I'm split between Sorin and Lilliana, who has had quite a few new cards. It would be interesting to see a new Sorin.
White: I WANT MY NEW ELSPETH GOD DAMMIT!!! Think about it, we have see new gideon, and new Ajani, WHERE IS ELSPETH??? Back in mirrodan, sitting there and not being used, we need her NOW!!
Slivers: We were expecting a tribal set in theros, so slivers match up with that. However, I hate these slivers. And it won't be hard figuring out what to draft. Everyone will go sliver for draft, and that's all these slivers will have use for at the moment. I'm not impressed with these depiction if them, BUT! It looks like they might have a cool backstory that could continue in Theros. Such as why are they so humanoid?
Any pushed archtypes?: I think aggro is still being pushed, with bloodthirst here, along with the slivers. It doesn't take long to connect the dots. Hopefully they will prove me wrong, but I'm being optimistic.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on May 07, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 07, 2013, 09:05:26 PM
Id like to see them reprint {Jace, Memory Adept}. They aren't going to make a new Jace (just did, and he's not that good), they're going to make a new Chandra obviously. Black Planeswalker will probably be {Liliana of the Dark Realms} again, Green will likely be {Garruk, Primal Hunter} (we just got a new one) White is the swing spot for Gideon/Ajani, I'm leaning toward Ajani.
I think ajani will get it but both him and Gideon are new. Maybe a new elspeth?
i personally wouldn't mind a new planeswalker either, or a revamp would be nice, I'm thinking a new white and a revamp of Chandra would be pretty sweet.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 07, 2013, 10:18:34 PM
Well let's see,
Red: New Chandra
Blue: I'm hoping {Jace the Memory Adept}, because he is a key control card against aggro, but it might be ok to see {Jace Beleren}, which will be nice with {Notion Theif}.
Green: I'm assuming a {Garruk the Primal Hunter}. But it could be cool to see a new {Nissa Reveane}.
Black: I'm split between Sorin and Lilliana, who has had quite a few new cards. It would be interesting to see a new Sorin.
White: I WANT MY NEW ELSPETH GOD DAMMIT!!! Think about it, we have see new gideon, and new Ajani, WHERE IS ELSPETH??? Back in mirrodan, sitting there and not being used, we need her NOW!!
Slivers: We were expecting a tribal set in theros, so slivers match up with that. However, I hate these slivers. And it won't be hard figuring out what to draft. Everyone will go sliver for draft, and that's all these slivers will have use for at the moment. I'm not impressed with these depiction if them, BUT! It looks like they might have a cool backstory that could continue in Theros. Such as why are they so humanoid?
Any pushed archtypes?: I think aggro is still being pushed, with bloodthirst here, along with the slivers. It doesn't take long to connect the dots. Hopefully they will prove me wrong, but I'm being optimistic.
Another thing, remember all the othe Chandra atrosities? They were horrible, the only one that could have been decent was {Chandra Ablaze} but she had too high a CMC. And they've pushed each one of these, so I'm hoping they don't mess her up this time. But history doesn't lie.
@FlickerYourOwnIdentity: How is {Jace, Memory Adept} good versus aggro? Or did you mean another jace?
Likely not going to see a new Nissa as she is implied to be dead.
Since we got 2 new Liliana and Ajani they will probably stick around. {Liliana of the Dark Realms} most likely.
Also, since we have a new Jace, he'll probably stay.
Most likely a new Garruk and/or Chandra for M14. Preferably Chandra as this one is relatively useless.
We'll probably see new Elspeth in Theros as she is "soul-searching" after the Phyrexian encounteri.
I think a new Chandra would be the best choice of action. 👍
Haha maybe {Sliver Queen} found her spark :P
Or Squee who mysteriously disappeared...
Hopefully they'll make a Kiora PW card
Quote from: Rasser on May 07, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
Hopefully they'll make a Kiora PW card
We've all been asking since DotP 2012. Maybe they'll finally answer? :P
Quote from: Rasser on May 07, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
Hopefully they'll make a Kiora PW card
If only...
I hope so. I'm so tired of Jace...
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 07, 2013, 11:13:22 PM
Haha maybe {Sliver Queen} found her spark :P
I literally got the chills reading that. If {Sliver Queen} could jump between planes.... oh goodness.
They don't generally print multi-colored cards in core sets, because they're for newer players. {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} was in the last set obviously. I coulda kinda-sorta see Kiora Atua being Chandra's rival in M14.
She is referred to as being on the "Short list" of things MaRo would like to accomplish. Playable Chandra card, return of Slivers, Cycling, Enchantment Block and Wedge block (enemy tricolors). We've hit Chandra and Slivers.
I feel like Cycling will be back in M14, R&D has been pushing to make lands more exciting and functional, we already had 2 sets of cycling lands, and I don't believe R&D is interested in greedy mana bases in Standard. We have Shocklands, gates, Keyrunes and cluestones moving forward, I believe the M10 tap lands are sitting this one out, because the Innistrad lands are rotating out at the same time. It would be too much favoritism to only print the 5 allied colored lands, or devote 10 rare spots to all of the Ravnica guilds.
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
Quote from: Gorzo on May 07, 2013, 11:28:03 PM
I hope so. I'm so tired of Jace...
This, as cool as Jace is, there's too many of him
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
They're common cards. Buy a reasonable number of packs, and you're sure to get them all.
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
They're common cards. Buy a reasonable number of packs, and you're sure to get them all.
i see what you're saying, I'm not a big spender on cards personally, and I've only collected three of them, I was just wondering if someone else here had all ten(which I assumed someone would)
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
They're common cards. Buy a reasonable number of packs, and you're sure to get them all.
i see what you're saying, I'm not a big spender on cards personally, and I've only collected three of them, I was just wondering if someone else here had all ten(which I assumed someone would)
I've got a playset of the Gates from their respective set, as well as a playset of the new art Gates from DGM.
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
You mean {Render Silent} isn't reasonable?
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
You mean {Render Silent} isn't reasonable?
Correct. A solid counterspell is generally one that is two mana. Furthermore, when casting Render Silent, odds are the opponent will not have mana to cast another spell anyways in standard. Take it from a seasoned control player, Render Silent is not that strong of a counterspell right now. It is very mana intensive and requires 3 mana which control does not like. For the card itself, it is costed correctly. But for competitive play, it is lacking in the efficacy department.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
You mean {Render Silent} isn't reasonable?
Correct. A solid counterspell is generally one that is two mana. Furthermore, when casting Render Silent, odds are the opponent will not have mana to cast another spell anyways in standard. Take it from a seasoned control player, Render Silent is not that strong of a counterspell right now. It is very mana intensive and requires 3 mana which control does not like. For the card itself, it is costed correctly. But for competitive play, it is lacking in the efficacy department.
i would have to say that {Counterspell} seems like a good counter spell, but I'm disappointed that the database has not included the newer one with Jace on it, that one looks cooler, but the same effect naturally.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 06:20:51 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
You mean {Render Silent} isn't reasonable?
Correct. A solid counterspell is generally one that is two mana. Furthermore, when casting Render Silent, odds are the opponent will not have mana to cast another spell anyways in standard. Take it from a seasoned control player, Render Silent is not that strong of a counterspell right now. It is very mana intensive and requires 3 mana which control does not like. For the card itself, it is costed correctly. But for competitive play, it is lacking in the efficacy department.
i would have to say that {Counterspell} seems like a good counter spell, but I'm disappointed that the database has not included the newer one with Jace on it, that one looks cooler, but the same effect naturally.
It is, but they will not reprint it due to modern. I would be really surprised if it ever saw the light of day again in Standard or Modern based on the direction WotC is going.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
I would honestly be ok with a {Magma Spray} reprint. {Pillar of Flame} is kind of a let-down to me :-\
I understand PoF can hit players, but Instant speed is great.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 08, 2013, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
I would honestly be ok with a {Magma Spray} reprint. {Pillar of Flame} is kind of a let-down to me :-\
I understand PoF can hit players, but Instant speed is great.
I second this. It is a solid answer to some of the annoying cards that have been printed. Although I am still advocating for Bolt over Spray.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 08, 2013, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
I would honestly be ok with a {Magma Spray} reprint. {Pillar of Flame} is kind of a let-down to me :-\
I understand PoF can hit players, but Instant speed is great.
I second this. It is a solid answer to some of the annoying cards that have been printed. Although I am still advocating for Bolt over Spray.
I second this motion, (and I want a new Counterspell to boot)
My local card shop said there's a chance to see {Birds of Paradise}. Any news on it?
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 08, 2013, 06:30:24 PM
My local card shop said there's a chance to see {Birds of Paradise}. Any news on it?
I don't know. I was disappointed to not see it in RtR. The last time they did not print it in a core set, it showed up in the original Ravnica. So it would have made sense. No confirmation, but I would not be surprised if they decided to bring it back.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
You mean {Render Silent} isn't reasonable?
Correct. A solid counterspell is generally one that is two mana. Furthermore, when casting Render Silent, odds are the opponent will not have mana to cast another spell anyways in standard. Take it from a seasoned control player, Render Silent is not that strong of a counterspell right now. It is very mana intensive and requires 3 mana which control does not like. For the card itself, it is costed correctly. But for competitive play, it is lacking in the efficacy department.
What are your thoughts on {Spell Rupture}? I mean most control players will possibly at least have a snapcaster on the field wouldn't they?
I do understand it is a conditional much like the way that {Essence Scatter} or {Negate} are, however in this current format of standard is it not reasonable to think you will have possibly even a 2/2 on the field?
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 08, 2013, 06:30:24 PM
My local card shop said there's a chance to see {Birds of Paradise}. Any news on it?
I don't know. I was disappointed to not see it in RtR. The last time they did not print it in a core set, it showed up in the original Ravnica. So it would have made sense. No confirmation, but I would not be surprised if they decided to bring it back.
I'm praying for this.
Instead of quoting, I'm just going to agree with you here, DG. I would definitely love to see {Lightning Bolt} over {Magma Spray} (especially now that zombies aren't a dominating archetype) and I didn't even think of a {Birds of Paradise} reprint! That'd be pretty cool.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 08, 2013, 06:37:24 PM
Instead of quoting, I'm just going to agree with you here, DG. I would definitely love to see {Lightning Bolt} over {Magma Spray} (especially now that zombies aren't a dominating archetype) and I didn't even think of a {Birds of Paradise} reprint! That'd be pretty cool.
I really hope so, sitting on a play set.
Quote from: Wally on May 08, 2013, 06:34:26 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
I am calling it now. I want to see a lighting bolt reprint. May be a little much with Boros Charm in the format, but it would also give them a reason to print a reasonable counterspell.
You mean {Render Silent} isn't reasonable?
Correct. A solid counterspell is generally one that is two mana. Furthermore, when casting Render Silent, odds are the opponent will not have mana to cast another spell anyways in standard. Take it from a seasoned control player, Render Silent is not that strong of a counterspell right now. It is very mana intensive and requires 3 mana which control does not like. For the card itself, it is costed correctly. But for competitive play, it is lacking in the efficacy department.
What are your thoughts on {Spell Rupture}? I mean most control players will possibly at least have a snapcaster on the field wouldn't they?
I do understand it is a conditional much like the way that {Essence Scatter} or {Negate} are, however in this current format of standard is it not reasonable to think you will have possibly even a 2/2 on the field?
No way is it even remotely playable in a control build. Most control decks only play around 2 Snaps at the moment. Furthermore, it does nothing to help you in the early game where it may be relevant against a turn 3 Ral Zarek. The only solid counterspell we have right now is {Dissipate} and even then most decks only play it as a 2-3 of. We need a two mana counterspell to be printed to really have a stable control deck that is not too reliant on weak win conditions and late game counterspells. {Aetherling} was a step in the right direction. Even then, they just printed a myriad of cards to deal with SR, so it still does not even count for that much. I am pleased that they did decide to print a 2 mana removal spell for the Esper deck though. I feel it really needed that. Now if I could just get some counters . . .
So a reprint of {Mana Leak} could work then?
MANA LEAK MANA LEAK MANA LEAK
Quote from: Wally on May 08, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
So a reprint of {Mana Leak} could work then?
Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.
I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart
^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart
^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.
What about the newer player base that would love to experience the finer points, such as control(referencing myself). I want the challenge without havig to spend hundreds on eternal formats(which would require me yo save up and not play magic for a long while) and i also need standard to home my skills(in a control environment rater than aggro).
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart
^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.
What about the newer player base that would love to experience the finer points, such as control(referencing myself). I want the challenge without havig to spend hundreds on eternal formats(which would require me yo save up and not play magic for a long while) and i also need standard to home my skills(in a control environment rater than aggro).
Then you my friend are a rare kind of newer player and I genuinely feel sorry for you. Standard and even the current Modern formats are not even close to what real magic can be like. All I can say is play Legacy if you can afford it. If not, then do what I do (although I still do play Legacy). Play control in Standard regardless of how derpy it looks. It may not be traditional, but at least you show persistence. That alone will help you win games. Control can really only be played if you understand the metagame. So if you persistently aspire to play control, you also persistently try to understand the metagame. This will develop your skills as a player and improve your deck building skills.
Also helps you can laugh at the aggro player when you beat them anyways with no reasonable counterspells because they were naive enough to overextend into your wrath effect.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: Wally on May 08, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
So a reprint of {Mana Leak} could work then?
Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.
Do you mean UW Delver? I hope a deck like that comes back though haha
Quote from: Bozo_Law on May 08, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: Wally on May 08, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
So a reprint of {Mana Leak} could work then?
Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.
Do you mean UW Delver? I hope a deck like that comes back though haha
No, I know what I meant. UW Delver was a house, but Caw Blade was evil in most people's eyes. Also, we are talking control. UW Delver is not control. It is tempo. There is a huge difference between the two. Mana Leak was not even the card that put UW Delver over the top. That spot goes to the fixing of {Ponder} and the extra one life loss on {Vapor Snag}. Geist did not hep either.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 07:11:58 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on May 08, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: Wally on May 08, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
So a reprint of {Mana Leak} could work then?
Correct, but after the season with Caw Blade, it is highly unlikely they will reprint it. WotC seems to think everybody hates counterspells and control. That is why we are so aggro heavy right now. I would really like a Mana Leak reprint, but odds are it will not happen.
Do you mean UW Delver? I hope a deck like that comes back though haha
No, I know what I meant. UW Delver was a house, but Caw Blade was evil in most people's eyes. Also, we are talking control. UW Delver is not control. It is tempo. There is a huge difference between the two. Mana Leak was not even the card that put UW Delver over the top. That spot goes to the fixing of {Ponder} and the extra one life loss on {Vapor Snag}. Geist did not hep either.
Yeah I played during Caw Blade season too. That was pretty insane but I am in the 1% that though that deck was just what the game should be about. And this is when I am just getting into the competitive scene.
I've been playing about 9 months and firmly believe that control is the only fun way to play magic the gathering. I like to challenge myself and think, rather than just turning things sideways.
Quote from: Therobsta12 on May 08, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
I've been playing about 9 months and firmly believe that control is the only fun way to play magic the gathering. I like to challenge myself and think, rather than just turning things sideways.
WOAH PRAISE BE THE GODS OF MTG!!! THERE IS MORE THAN ONE??? GATHER TOGETHER MY BROTHERS! THE DAY OF REVELATION IS SOON UPON US!!!!!
In all seriousness, you give me hope for the future of this game. Aggro is fine, but it does not need to be as pushed as it is right now.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 07:39:24 PM
Quote from: Therobsta12 on May 08, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
I've been playing about 9 months and firmly believe that control is the only fun way to play magic the gathering. I like to challenge myself and think, rather than just turning things sideways.
WOAH PRAISE BE THE GODS OF MTG!!! THERE IS MORE THAN ONE???? GATHER TOGETHER MY BROTHERS! THE DAY OF REVELATION IS SOON UPON US!!!!!
In all seriousness, you give me hope for the future of this game. Aggro is fine, but it does not need to be as pushed as it is right now.
You'd be surprised how many of us new players are into control. Me personally have been building decks based on every playing style to find what I like. Many of my friends have been as well. Most of my circle are all about control decks .
We could make a circle of control lovers, and compile a deck together. IT WOULD BE SO COOL!!!!
Well if you consider lockdown a form of control, use {Curse of Exhaustion}, and {Possibility Storm}
The only problem is with how limited control is in the environment, rogue(and thus CHEAP) control is a fantasy. At the very least i feel as if shelling out 50+$ on snappys, 70+$ on sphinx's, and 100+$ on shocks is unavoidable. I cant support all the super hyped utility cards on top of shocks
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
The only problem is with how limited control is in the environment, rogue(and thus CHEAP) control is a fantasy. At the very least i feel as if shelling out 50+$ on snappys, 70+$ on sphinx's, and 100+$ on shocks is unavoidable. I cant support all the super hyped utility cards on top of shocks
I have everything necessary. That is why I pickup cards when they are cheap. Forecasting is a great skill to learn.
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.
ya mill is so much fun!
I hope they bring it back to a playable strategy in standard with M14!
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
The only problem is with how limited control is in the environment, rogue(and thus CHEAP) control is a fantasy. At the very least i feel as if shelling out 50+$ on snappys, 70+$ on sphinx's, and 100+$ on shocks is unavoidable. I cant support all the super hyped utility cards on top of shocks
I have everything necessary. That is why I pickup cards when they are cheap. Forecasting is a great skill to learn.
I just started again so im behind on all that, hopefully one day ill be able to play stafar control despite all odds
I say, we shouldn't be too optimistic about control in M14. They are bringing back bloodthirst, slivers (which is one of the most straight forward tribals ever played.), and all these aggro things, even the mythic demon is aggro. It is depressing me the more, and more I look at the spoilers.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 08, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
I say, we shouldn't be too optimistic about control in M14. They are bringing back bloodthirst, slivers (which is one of the most straight forward tribals ever played.), and all these aggro things, even the mythic demon is aggro. It is depressing me the more, and more I look at the spoilers.
Where'd you see a mythic demon?
Im 100% hopeless about aggro, i honestly, truly believe it may never become a big part of Standard MtG ever again.. Of course i am sort of a pesimist
I feel that Slivers are going to be a kitchen table/casual thing. I don't see them being a truly potent deck, much like Exalted decks weren't running the tournament scene - while they practically made themselves and were very potent casually. Core sets have rarely (perhaps never) dictated the meta, just merely give tools to expert expansions.
Slivers will be a thing in limited. I don't see a sliver being designed that is better then {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Boros Reckoner} and {Voice of Resurgence}. They're too dependent on each other.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 08, 2013, 11:49:48 PM
I feel that Slivers are going to be a kitchen table/casual thing. I don't see them being a truly potent deck, much like Exalted decks weren't running the tournament scene - while they practically made themselves and were very potent casually. Core sets have rarely (perhaps never) dictated the meta, just merely give tools to expert expansions.
Slivers will be a thing in limited. I don't see a sliver being designed that is better then {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Boros Reckoner} and {Voice of Resurgence}. They're too dependent on each other.
^ This. Slivers are overrated. Too many people now are afraid of them when they were not even playing when Slivers were in standard before.
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 08, 2013, 06:30:24 PM
My local card shop said there's a chance to see {Birds of Paradise}. Any news on it?
I think if they added evolve to it, it would be even more nasty!
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.
I usually don't go against a mill deck unless I'm using my Izzet deck.
Quote from: IntoFire on May 09, 2013, 05:01:02 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.
I usually don't go against a mill deck unless I'm using my Izzet deck.
yup! I like izzet! only other thing that is good against mill is maybe goblins because they are super fast and can swamp them.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 09, 2013, 12:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 08, 2013, 11:49:48 PM
I feel that Slivers are going to be a kitchen table/casual thing. I don't see them being a truly potent deck, much like Exalted decks weren't running the tournament scene - while they practically made themselves and were very potent casually. Core sets have rarely (perhaps never) dictated the meta, just merely give tools to expert expansions.
Slivers will be a thing in limited. I don't see a sliver being designed that is better then {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Boros Reckoner} and {Voice of Resurgence}. They're too dependent on each other.
^ This. Slivers are overrated. Too many people now are afraid of them when they were not even playing when Slivers were in standard before.
It's the internet, man. They see veteran players grumble about slivers and echo those sentiments. Personally, I don't like the new ones because (as it's been said before) they are high-costed and they look too humanoid to me.
Quote from: IceScythe on May 09, 2013, 08:18:43 AM
Quote from: IntoFire on May 09, 2013, 05:01:02 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)
Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.
I usually don't go against a mill deck unless I'm using my Izzet deck.
yup! I like izzet! only other thing that is good against mill is maybe goblins because they are super fast and can swamp them.
What I usually do is sideboard a playset of {Essence Backlash} against mills if I have knowledge of them having a {Consuming Abberation} or two.
I know I'm coming to this part of the discussion late, but please no more Jace! Of any kind! I love mill and cantrip as much as the next Esperian but c'mon! Lets see a new {U} character that focuses on one of the other characteristics of {U}.
While we're at it, lets see some new characters across the board! Enough Sorin, enough Lili, hell even enough Garruk! I want two things from planeswalkers, a diversity of characters to evolve plots AND a diversity of planeswalkers to have more than one out at a time in a mono or duo deck.
As you were.
Quote from: Spikepit on May 09, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
I know I'm coming to this part of the discussion late, but please no more Jace! Of any kind! I love mill and cantrip as much as the next Esperian but c'mon! Lets see a new character that focuses on one of the other characteristics of .
While we're at it, lets see some new characters across the board! Enough Sorin, enough Lili, hell even enough Garruk! I want two things from planeswalkers, a diversity of characters to evolve plots AND a diversity of planeswalkers to have more than one out at a time in a mono or duo deck.
As you were.
This, although I would still like to see more sorin :P
Jace is the Super Mario/Mickey Mouse of the Magic multiverse. He is quite popular with fans, and is basically the face of blue. Chandra and Garruk are the same thing for red and green respectfully. White and Black are swing spots.
Quote from: bravado883 on May 09, 2013, 12:23:27 PM
I'd like a new Venser, please.
I doubt we will see it. They tend to follow the story line. Correct me if i am wrong, but Venser died to liberate Karn from the Phyrexians yes?
Quote from: bravado883 on May 09, 2013, 12:49:21 PM
I honestly have no idea. I don't really follow the lore much. If so, damn.
I believe that Venser is dead. I don't follow it closely, but I have a general idea. That is how Karn became Karn Liberated. Venser transferred his powers to Karn or something like that. Allowing Karn to now planeswalk.
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 09, 2013, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on May 09, 2013, 12:49:21 PM
I honestly have no idea. I don't really follow the lore much. If so, damn.
I believe that Venser is dead. I don't follow it closely, but I have a general idea. That is how Karn became Karn Liberated. Venser transferred his powers to Karn or something like that. Allowing Karn to now planeswalk.
I thought that was urza?
Quote from: S717 on May 09, 2013, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on May 09, 2013, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on May 09, 2013, 12:49:21 PM
I honestly have no idea. I don't really follow the lore much. If so, damn.
I believe that Venser is dead. I don't follow it closely, but I have a general idea. That is how Karn became Karn Liberated. Venser transferred his powers to Karn or something like that. Allowing Karn to now planeswalk.
I thought that was urza?
Here
"By the time Venser reached Karn in the core of Mirrodin it was already too late. Melira cleansed the golem's body of the Phyrexian taint but she couldn't cleanse the golem's heart. Knowing his own life would soon be forfeit due to his increasing phthisis symptoms, Venser made the ultimate sacrifice. With his last remaining mana he gave his life and spark to Karn. Moments later Karn was released from the Phyrexian tyranny and mourned the loss of his friend briefly before turning to battle the Phyrexians, stating 'he still has a lot of work ahead of him'.."
Source
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Venser
Urea died when making karn.
Venser died liberating him.
Blue could use Kiora.
Nissa for Green.
Elspeth for white
Chandra for red
And Sorin for black
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 09, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
Urea died when making karn.
😂😭😂. Ahhhh. Potty humor. The highest form of funny! Thank you Flicker.
Quote from: Langku on May 09, 2013, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 09, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
Urea died when making karn.
😂😭😂. Ahhhh. Potty humor. The highest form of funny! Thank you Flicker.
Oh wow, I acually didn't notice auto correct did that! :D
Urza died when he sacrificed himself (even though he was just a head at the time) to stop Yawgmoth from taking over Dominaria.
Venser died by giving his heart to Karn, because Karn's heart was infected with the phyrexian oil.
What if theros is a mono-colored block. With lands that do this:
{T}: add {G}{G} to your mana pool
Maro implied on his blog just yesterday that lands tapping for more than one mana is pretty unlikely.
Also, this is about M14, not Theros.
Quote from: bravado883 on May 09, 2013, 12:23:27 PM
I'd like a new Venser, please.
Agree.
Edit: just read up and I need to start following the stories.
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 10, 2013, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: bravado883 on May 09, 2013, 12:23:27 PM
I'd like a new Venser, please.
Agree.
Edit: just read up and I need to start following the stories.
Quote from: Mark Rosewater
"Are you planning on bringing Venser back? As a character and a card or is he dead for good? He is my favorite planeswalker."
- arbormala
He is my favorite too. Unfortunately we have a "dead is dead" rule so I wouldn't hold out hope.
Url: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/46575646348/are-you-planning-on-bringing-venser-back-as-a
M14 would be WotC's chance to make "monocolor matters" in Standard, rather than Theros.
Quote from: bravado883 on May 10, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
Geist of St. Venser?
Would be something like:
Geist of Saint Venser {1}{U}{W}
Legendary Creature- Spirit
When ~ enters the battlefield, put a 4/4 angel token with flying and vigilance onto the battlefield.
{1}{U}{W}: Exile ~, then return it to the battlefield at the end step.
2/2
Snap Giest of st. Venser tusk of the veil
Holy crap: http://www.mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html (http://www.mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html)
SCAVENGING OOZE!!!!
I'm flipping my .poo.!!!!!!!
Nice. {Scavenging Ooze} for modern and another reason to play Green (as if anyone needed one).
Quote from: Bozo_Law on May 12, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
Holy crap: http://www.mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html (http://www.mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html)
SCAVENGING OOZE!!!!
I hope that's true!!!! It would be great for my rug legacy deck. I need 1 more for it.
Is it just me or is WotC like completely out of new material -.-
Quote from: MisterJH on May 12, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Is it just me or is WotC like completely out of new material -.-
They are but still
HOLY CRAP! Why would they put {Scavenging Ooze} as a rare and not mythic? its OP. Another reason to get M14. Damn you wizards! Well played!
Nvm. Just looked at it again. It looks mythic. But still! Why????
{Scavenging Ooze} is perfect for a core set. It's simple to understand, powerful enough to be alluring and jumps into Modern. My problem is putting it at Mythic, because that has now become a way to sell packs (as opposed to printing cards that weren't all that great, but did something nothing else did before).
{Scavenging Ooze} is about as simple as one can get, and could probably be printed at common if not for power level. I think mostly his appearance is to squash {Tarmogoyf} by removing what buffs him. It worked on Legacy somewhat.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 12, 2013, 06:51:39 PM
{Scavenging Ooze} is perfect for a core set. It's simple to understand, powerful enough to be alluring and jumps into Modern. My problem is putting it at Mythic, because that has now become a way to sell packs (as opposed to printing cards that weren't all that great, but did something nothing else did before).
{Scavenging Ooze} is about as simple as one can get, and could probably be printed at common if not for power level. I think mostly his appearance is to squash {Tarmogoyf} by removing what buffs him. It worked on Legacy somewhat.
I could see that for a change to modern. It would help it against the {tarmogoyf}, and reanimator. I like it, although it is a big thing to have in a core set. This set may sell QUITE well.
I like the idea, but I'm still seeing pushed aggro. I hope that changes.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 12, 2013, 07:05:09 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 12, 2013, 06:51:39 PM
{Scavenging Ooze} is perfect for a core set. It's simple to understand, powerful enough to be alluring and jumps into Modern. My problem is putting it at Mythic, because that has now become a way to sell packs (as opposed to printing cards that weren't all that great, but did something nothing else did before).
{Scavenging Ooze} is about as simple as one can get, and could probably be printed at common if not for power level. I think mostly his appearance is to squash {Tarmogoyf} by removing what buffs him. It worked on Legacy somewhat.
I could see that for a change to modern. It would help it against the {tarmogoyf}, and reanimator. I like it, although it is a big thing to have in a core set. This set may sell QUITE well.
I like the idea, but I'm still seeing pushed aggro. I hope that changes.
It wont. If you want to play control easily, go to eternal formats.
I just hope there are some things to make goofy strategies in the core set. and yes this is Birdbrain...I lost my phone and forgot my password...
Quote from: Birdbrain1 on May 15, 2013, 09:47:27 AM
I just hope there are some things to make goofy strategies in the core set. and yes this is Birdbrain...I lost my phone and forgot my password...
by the way. this is me. I couldn't figure out my password and then remembered about the password reset. reset it, didn't see the e-mail in my e-mail box. made a new account, then found the e-mail. so how do i delete this second account?
{Scavenging Ooze} may be an apology for slivers.
Quote from: Qpwner on May 15, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
{Scavenging Ooze} may be an apology for slivers.
It sure seems like it will good with {Lotleth Troll}
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/260382_473403069409228_1266479141_n.jpg)
Go on. {Murder} it. It's all good.
Quote from: prayos on May 15, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/260382_473403069409228_1266479141_n.jpg)
Go on. {Murder} it. It's all good.
Oh the possiblities
I really like all the hydras, but I am kinda tired of seeing a 2 color and X mana cost on them :-\
That hydra looks pretty sweet. It should be fun to play with.
And if you think about it, hydras tie in with Theros.
Vorel goes good with it.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/archangelofthune.jpg) (http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/advocateofthebeast.jpg)
a guy whooped out a {Primordial Hydra} on me with two counters. I won that game so hard XD I had {Blaze} 2x {Searing Spear} {Cone of Flame} and I finished him off with {Disaster Radius} and a {Fire Elemental}
Quote from: prayos on May 15, 2013, 07:11:18 PM
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/archangelofthune.jpg)
I don't even care if this card will be good or not. I saw it and immediately saw a new art {Baneslayer Angel}, then realized it was not. Now I'm
very disappoint :'(
So three cards spilled having to do with placing counters...... Can anyone see Simic and golgari going on a rampage with these.
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 15, 2013, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: prayos on May 15, 2013, 07:11:18 PM
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/archangelofthune.jpg)
I can see my Mono-White or Selesnya deck with this thing...
I don't even care if this card will be good or not. I saw it and immediately saw a new art {Baneslayer Angel}, then realized it was not. Now I'm very disappoint :'(
How many people are still holding out for {tarmogoyf} to be reprinted in a standard set? He was in future sight, a glance in to magics future. At some point he has to be made!
Quote from: Potticus on May 16, 2013, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on May 16, 2013, 12:48:45 AM
How many people are still holding out for {tarmogoyf} to be reprinted in a standard set? He was in future sight, a glance in to magics future. At some point he has to be made!
Modern masters.
He doesn't need another reprint.
But that won't make him usable in Standard again. I think it'll happen eventually. Just not in the next couple blocks.
Quote from: prayos on May 16, 2013, 09:17:20 AM
Quote from: Potticus on May 16, 2013, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on May 16, 2013, 12:48:45 AM
How many people are still holding out for {tarmogoyf} to be reprinted in a standard set? He was in future sight, a glance in to magics future. At some point he has to be made!
Modern masters.
He doesn't need another reprint.
But that won't make him usable in Standard again. I think it'll happen eventually. Just not in the next couple blocks.
maybe when they do the wedges? Which will probably be four blocks after ravnica
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 16, 2013, 09:54:19 AM
Quote from: prayos on May 16, 2013, 09:17:20 AM
Quote from: Potticus on May 16, 2013, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on May 16, 2013, 12:48:45 AM
How many people are still holding out for {tarmogoyf} to be reprinted in a standard set? He was in future sight, a glance in to magics future. At some point he has to be made!
Modern masters.
He doesn't need another reprint.
But that won't make him usable in Standard again. I think it'll happen eventually. Just not in the next couple blocks.
maybe when they do the wedges? Which will probably be four blocks after ravnica
I really hope they do soon though, I don't want to pay $100+on a single card to try to get in to modern
A competitive infect deck can be built for less than 30$ I think. I built a competitive {R}{G} for under 20$ (that's not infect)
The new green sliver (megantic or something) is terrible, it makes me wonder if they'll have some way to reduce cmc on slivers, otherwise they are unplayable.
Quote from: Vyse on May 16, 2013, 02:02:03 PM
The new green sliver (megantic or something) is terrible, it makes me wonder if they'll have some way to reduce cmc on slivers, otherwise they are unplayable.
It's not that bad in limited...you get a 6/6 for 6. In constructed like all of these so called slivers it won't see play.
Opinions on the new Red Enchantment?
{1}{R}{R}{R}
Enchanted land becomes a 7/7 with Haste.
Seems legit.
I kinda like it. Its a 4 mana 7/7 haster. AWESOMEEEEE!!!
Reason why i love naya and izzet <3
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 17, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
Opinions on the new Red Enchantment?
{1}{R}{R}{R}
Enchanted land becomes a 7/7 with Haste.
Seems legit.
WTF wizards??!! This seems too over the top. Please tell me there's a drawback...
Quote from: Vyse on May 16, 2013, 02:02:03 PM
The new green sliver (megantic or something) is terrible, it makes me wonder if they'll have some way to reduce cmc on slivers, otherwise they are unplayable.
It's a 6/6 for 4GG that gives your other creatures +3/+3. What is bad about that?
That 7/7 enchant seems decent. {1}{R}{R}{R} is not splashible, and gets your land blown up by Supreme Verdict.
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Quote from: Monrodesign on May 17, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
Opinions on the new Red Enchantment?
{1}{R}{R}{R}
Enchanted land becomes a 7/7 with Haste.
Seems legit.
WTF wizards??!! This seems too over the top. Please tell me there's a drawback...
Making Red Deck Wins even faster.
And Dudecore makes a good point, a quick way to mess up land drops.
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The new green sliver (megantic or something) is terrible, it makes me wonder if they'll have some way to reduce cmc on slivers, otherwise they are unplayable.
It's a 6/6 for 4GG that gives your other creatures +3/+3. What is bad about that?
Specifically slivers, and it's a lot of mana that is hard to splash and only good with a lot of slivers. It's a worse version of {Wolfir Silverheart}. What exactaly is good about it, besides in constructed?
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The new green sliver (megantic or something) is terrible, it makes me wonder if they'll have some way to reduce cmc on slivers, otherwise they are unplayable.
It's a 6/6 for 4GG that gives your other creatures +3/+3. What is bad about that?
Specifically slivers, and it's a lot of mana that is hard to splash and only good with a lot of slivers. It's a worse version of {Wolfir Silverheart}. What exactaly is good about it, besides in constructed?
It's really a 6/6 for 5{G} and its better then {Wolfir Silverheart} because it doesn't need to be soulbounded to be a bigger creature. Now will it be played in constructed most likely not, but in limited its a great creature even if you can't draft a lot of slivers.
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The new green sliver (megantic or something) is terrible, it makes me wonder if they'll have some way to reduce cmc on slivers, otherwise they are unplayable.
It's a 6/6 for 4GG that gives your other creatures +3/+3. What is bad about that?
Specifically slivers, and it's a lot of mana that is hard to splash and only good with a lot of slivers. It's a worse version of {Wolfir Silverheart}. What exactaly is good about it, besides in constructed?
It's really a 6/6 for 5{G} and its better then {Wolfir Silverheart} because it doesn't need to be soulbounded to be a bigger creature. Now will it be played in constructed most likely not, but in limited its a great creature even if you can't draft a lot of slivers.
Meant limited and I have to eat my words a little as I thought it was 4(G)(G).
I think the red enchantment is an interesting card, it can tend to be unexpected, and people can be caught off guard because, who expects getting hit for 7 on turn 4 via one creature. Alththough casting this turn 4 without ramp is stupid. It taps the land so the haste is useless. Turn 5 is a little late. Sealed play only, due to late game, how simply it is removed, non-splashablility, and with all the big 3-5 drops we have it is kinda small.
Just my 2 cents. :)
To the previous counterspell discussion, what does everyone think about a {remand} reprint?
Quote from: That_Guy on May 18, 2013, 02:54:48 AM
To the previous counterspell discussion, what does everyone think about a {remand} reprint?
Kinda unlikely considering its a 9 dollar uncommon. It is used in legacy and would be a "4 of" in any deck splashing blue at least. It's a tempo changer and gets you CA. Highly unlikely.
My friend Tom is positive that {Thragtusk} is confirmed as a reprint, is this true?
Quote from: KangaRod on May 18, 2013, 07:50:43 AM
{Chandra's Phoenix} and {Scavenging Ooze} are the only cards that excite me so far. I'm actually starting to think Naya Slivers might actually be a deck though, which kind of frightens me.
I'd actually really like it it was a new Chandra that costs 3, as the 4 mana one sucks... And as for the 5 mana 7/7.... Not very good lol.
Hopefully there is some good burn spells to compliment {Chandra's Phoenix}, as there won't be much post rotation if {Searing Spear} is gone.
Maybe we get {Lightning Bolt}? That would be an excellent marketing move from WotC as it appeals to aggro, control, and midrange players alike.
A ton of spoilers today. 5 more mythics so we have 6 total now I can only assume 5 more will be planeswalkers so we basically have all the mythics so far and I am not really blown back by any, I like the ring but I've always liked cards like that. What do you guys think of the mythics so far???
Uhhhh the new reanimate spell is an instant, it will definatly, DEFINATLY, see play. That's just so good.
Since i saw the black mythic, i think lili of dark realms will be happily reprinted because of the mana ramp
Thoughts on 'into the wild' 'primeval bounty' 'ring of three wishes' and that card that cost {G} that says the next creature you play, can't be countered, has flash, and enters with a +1/+1 counter
That green card is this, savage summoning http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/savagesummoning.html and I'm really intrigued by it.
I feel like I'm the only one who has to face control do something. Does nobody play control?
Quote from: Millionlittlee on May 18, 2013, 12:13:16 PM
I feel like I'm the only one who has to face control do something. Does nobody play control?
Nothing that is compettitive. :(
{Vorel the Hull Clade} can go well with the ring, if you get your mana going. I can see this card in commander at least.
This core set is real edh friendly
HOLY CRAP {Young Pyromancer}| IS ABSOLUELY FREAKING INSANE!!!
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 17, 2013, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 17, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
Opinions on the new Red Enchantment?
{1}{R}{R}{R}
Enchanted land becomes a 7/7 with Haste.
Seems legit.
WTF wizards??!! This seems too over the top. Please tell me there's a drawback...
Technically its 5 mana, unless you don't care about haste
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on May 18, 2013, 11:00:16 AM
Since i saw the black mythic, i think lili of dark realms will be happily reprinted because of the mana ramp
Yep. I am sure she will be. Too many references to Dark Realms to not be reprinted.
Also... Archangel of Thune looks killer. Not only will she gain life and evade, she will make your creatures bigger. I see this getting a lot of play.
Ok, I can see the following planeswalkers appearing.
The exact same as the last set except for the new Chandra.
There's an Ajani reference, a Garruk reference, Lilliana reference, and a Jace reference. Plus we know about Chandra.
This depresses me to no end :(
Quote from: Wally on May 08, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
So a reprint of {Mana Leak} could work then?
I just found this card in a box of old Mirrodin's my brother owned.
Be nice to see.
We got 2 new Planeswalkers for M13. {Liliana of the Dark Realms} and {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}, so I figure they'll be reprinted this year. As Flicker mentioned, the references are also there.
Chandra is getting a new card. I'm speculating either we will see a multicolored Planeswalker, our first 5 color one. Sliver Queen! Or at least Naya (the slivers spoiled so far are Naya colors)
So. Much. Goodness.
I could just see Sliver queen as a planeswalker.
Ultimate: search your library all slivers, and put them in your hand. You gains an emblem that says, "You can play slivers as if their converted mana cost was {0}
Quote from: KangaRod on May 18, 2013, 11:20:17 PM
How do you know Chandra is getting a new card?
Just an educated guess, considering she's all over the promotional art, Duels of the Planeswalkers 2014, and it's based on her.
And she's the only one of the original 5 planeswalkers to not have a distinctly playable card.
I hope Chandra is good, but I have my doubts due to the history of her cards.
I'd like a new Chandra but Id love a new legendary sliver
{Chandra, the Firebrand} isn't that bad.
Quote from: IntoFire on May 19, 2013, 01:37:11 AM
{Chandra, the Firebrand} isn't that bad.
To be honest, the closest we have gotten to a good Chandra is arguably {Chandra Ablaze}. The price itself is higher then the others, it has better effects that certainly play of each other quite well, she can get to her ulti quickly.
But her CMC was too high. If it was 4, people would love it, but it wasn't that.
Chandra doesn't just need to have good abilities, it doesn't just need to have a low CMC, it needs to have an average CMC 3-4 and abilities that can be effective when playing off each other.
That's what I look for at least.
I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
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I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
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I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
Well yeah. For now, {forbidden alchemy} is a better choice. But once rotation hits, Glimpse will be a suitable replacement in my opinion.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 19, 2013, 11:14:03 AM
I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
I'm pretty exited to I donno why though :-\
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I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
Well yeah. For now, {forbidden alchemy} is a better choice. But once rotation hits, Glimpse will be a suitable replacement in my opinion.
Is {Forbidden Alchemy} used for this purpose currently? I don't think I've seen it used outside of {Runechanter's Pike} decks since Innistrad came out. I don't know enough about Standard Reanimator to know. Isn't {Grisly Salvage} better?
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I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
Well yeah. For now, {forbidden alchemy} is a better choice. But once rotation hits, Glimpse will be a suitable replacement in my opinion.
Is {Forbidden Alchemy} used for this purpose currently? I don't think I've seen it used outside of {Runechanter's Pike} decks since Innistrad came out. I don't know enough about Standard Reanimator to know. Isn't {Grisly Salvage} better?
Yep. {Immortal Servitude} decks use it as well as "solar flare" decks.
Goblin Diplomat. {R}{1}
Creature - Goblin Rare
{T}: Each creature attacks this turn if able
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I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
Well yeah. For now, {forbidden alchemy} is a better choice. But once rotation hits, Glimpse will be a suitable replacement in my opinion.
Is {Forbidden Alchemy} used for this purpose currently? I don't think I've seen it used outside of {Runechanter's Pike} decks since Innistrad came out. I don't know enough about Standard Reanimator to know. Isn't {Grisly Salvage} better?
I think {Dimir Charm} is an awesome EOT set up.
{RATCHET BOMB}!!!!!!
And we have an awesome whale.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 20, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
{RATCHET BOMB}!!!!!!
And we have an awesome whale.
{Ratchet Bomb} in M14?
I knew {Ratchet Bomb} was getting a reprint. After Bant tokens won everything l knew something was in the works. Take a hike {Voice of Resurgence}, {Call of the Conclave}, {Advent of the Wurm}.
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I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
Well yeah. For now, {forbidden alchemy} is a better choice. But once rotation hits, Glimpse will be a suitable replacement in my opinion.
Is {Forbidden Alchemy} used for this purpose currently? I don't think I've seen it used outside of {Runechanter's Pike} decks since Innistrad came out. I don't know enough about Standard Reanimator to know. Isn't {Grisly Salvage} better?
Im tweaking an Esper rites in standard right now and I use it for that. That, {thought scour}, {dimir charm}, and {breaking//entering} are the closest we have in standard that harkens back to U/B reanimator in Legacy. Its not as fast as its Legacy counterpart, but then again they're not likely to ever make one/two drop reanimator spells ever again.
Esper probably isn't as good as Junk in the reanimator spectrum right now, but im also not trying to be super competitive outside of FNM.
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Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 19, 2013, 11:14:03 AM
I'm really excited about Glimpse the Future. Lets take reanimator out of Junk's hands and put it back in U/B's!
Isn't it just a sorcery speed, worse version of {Forbidden Alchemy}? Seems like a limited card.
Well yeah. For now, {forbidden alchemy} is a better choice. But once rotation hits, Glimpse will be a suitable replacement in my opinion.
Is {Forbidden Alchemy} used for this purpose currently? I don't think I've seen it used outside of {Runechanter's Pike} decks since Innistrad came out. I don't know enough about Standard Reanimator to know. Isn't {Grisly Salvage} better?
yup, I'd say so, I use it in my Golgari Scavenger deck, I like it because the deck isn't spell heavy, and there is much less of a drawback to losing creatures, their power just tacks onto the living
Is anyone else as wholly underwelmed as I am about M14? I mean, I know it's only a core set, but still. The majority of the rares/mythics spoiled thus far have a costing cost of 5+, and aren't even all that useful. The only thing I'm looking forward to, since she seems to be the focus of this set, is a new Chandra.
Core sets are rarely any good...{Scavenging Ooze} for Modern is nice. Hope {Augur of Bolas} gets a reprint, unlikely considering the set is not about Bolas anymore.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 21, 2013, 09:47:47 AM
Core sets are rarely any good...{Scavenging Ooze} for Modern is nice. Hope {Augur of Bolas} gets a reprint, unlikely considering the set is not about Bolas anymore.
Although I hightly dislike him, I'd like to see a {Thragtusk} reprint.
Core sets are good for casual players or as a starting point new newbies. Also, the setting of core sets is less polarizing, it seems. Personally, I prefer the generic "flavor" of core sets to half of the modern block settings. Kamigawa, Lorwyn, Mirrodin, and Ravnica all bother me to varying degrees for "flavor" purposes. (But mechanically Mirrodin and especially Ravnica are two of my favorites.)
Also, regarding M14 -- am I wrong, or does {Sporemound} (below) generate infinite saprolings/forests when {Life and Limb} is on the table?
Name: Sporemound
Cost: 3gg
Type: Creature - Fungus
Pow/Tgh: 3/3
Rules Text: Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token onto the battlefield.
Rarity: Common
Quote from: DYMongoose on May 21, 2013, 11:11:54 AM
Also, regarding M14 -- am I wrong, or does {Sporemound} (below) generate infinite saprolings/forests when {Life and Limb} is on the table?
Name: Sporemound
Cost: 3gg
Type: Creature - Fungus
Pow/Tgh: 3/3
Rules Text: Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token onto the battlefield.
Rarity: Common
I do believe that it does... Oh my that is nasty! It's also an infinite game loop!
Wait a second... Is that Landfall?!?!? Please bring back Landfall!!!!
Landfall was GREAT! I loved that mechanic. And that fungus combo looks amazing! Say hello to my fungus deck. Lol.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on May 21, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
Landfall was GREAT! I loved that mechanic. And that fungus combo looks amazing! Say hello to my fungus deck. Lol.
It's an infinite loop, it would cause a draw unless you can destroy the enchantment.
Wow, so I just looked at the spoiled cards... What a let down! Other than Slivers, there's nothing there. Just... Sad really... Is this the new age Homelands? Nothing but junk so far
Quote from: Hays413 on May 21, 2013, 03:28:01 PM
Wow, so I just looked at the spoiled cards... What a let down! Other than Slivers, there's nothing there. Just... Sad really... Is this the new age Homelands? Nothing but junk so far
WotC is deathly afraid of releasing something that may break Standard.
Thragtusk/Resto was an overlooked mistake, Snapcaster had almost a dozen graveyard-hate cards released after it, and they pretty much stopped printing useable control cards from M13 onwards.
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Wow, so I just looked at the spoiled cards... What a let down! Other than Slivers, there's nothing there. Just... Sad really... Is this the new age Homelands? Nothing but junk so far
WotC is deathly afraid of releasing something that may break Standard.
Thragtusk/Resto was an overlooked mistake, Snapcaster had almost a dozen graveyard-hate cards released after it, and they pretty much stopped printing useable control cards from M13 onwards.
See: Urza's Saga - Homelands
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e9ea00557538f5c10091559b1a72b48e/tumblr_mfnquuanD81rfyfcho1_400.jpg)
You guys must be missing all the amazing spoilers. I cant link right now, but that Myth spoiler page has some rediculous spoilers posted.
{flash} has a reprint in green for one less, it's less broken than the oriional but adds uncounterable to the mix.
2B instant speed reanimate any one creature that died that turn.
Those will be format defining.
I think the preconstructed decks will be
{W}{G}
{G}{B}
{W}{R}
{R}{B}
{B}{U}
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 21, 2013, 05:56:49 PM
I think the preconstructed decks will be
{W}{G}
{G}{B}
{W}{R}
{R}{B}
{B}{U}
No blue needs to be seen twice.
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I think the preconstructed decks will be
{W}{G}
{G}{B}
{W}{R}
{R}{B}
{B}{U}
No blue needs to be seen twice.
They will be allied colors if they are 2 colored. But I honestly think they'll e moncolored. Wizards wants to cater to new players, and we just had a whole block that focused on 2 colored combos.
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I think the preconstructed decks will be
{W}{G}
{G}{B}
{W}{R}
{R}{B}
{B}{U}
No blue needs to be seen twice.
They will be allied colors if they are 2 colored. But I honestly think they'll e moncolored. Wizards wants to cater to new players, and we just had a whole block that focused on 2 colored combos.
Idk. I mean i think like 5 mono colored and a sliver one. But idk
{Ratchet Bomb} is back! Yay
I'm just waiting for a new Chandra (and hopefully a reprint of {Jace Beleren}!
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Quote from: Birdbrain on May 21, 2013, 05:56:49 PM
I think the preconstructed decks will be
{W}{G}
{G}{B}
{W}{R}
{R}{B}
{B}{U}
No blue needs to be seen twice.
They will be allied colors if they are 2 colored. But I honestly think they'll e moncolored. Wizards wants to cater to new players, and we just had a whole block that focused on 2 colored combos.
Idk. I mean i think like 5 mono colored and a sliver one. But idk
I think the intro decks will be mono colored and the event deck will be sliver.
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Quote from: Birdbrain on May 21, 2013, 05:56:49 PM
I think the preconstructed decks will be
{W}{G}
{G}{B}
{W}{R}
{R}{B}
{B}{U}
No blue needs to be seen twice.
They will be allied colors if they are 2 colored. But I honestly think they'll e moncolored. Wizards wants to cater to new players, and we just had a whole block that focused on 2 colored combos.
Idk. I mean i think like 5 mono colored and a sliver one. But idk
I think the intro decks will be mono colored and the event deck will be sliver.
That sounds accurate to me
The last two core sets used dual colored decks that were not any of the colors mentioned. And I did wonder if theros had cards that encouraged and helped mono colored decks. To be therapeutic after all this multi colored stuff
And the gate less movement in ravnica could have been a foreshadowing of that...there's more evidence against my theory I guess. But then, its still just a theory
Would consider buying a sliver event deck :0
Would not consider buying a sliver event deck
Most likely sliver event deck. As someone said earlier, is there a possibility of seeing a sliver planeswalker?
If not a sliver legendary.
The whale is most likely the blue intro. Mabye a reprint of {Stormtide Leviathan} to go along with it.
When I was a new player multicolored cards were my favorite. Its strange to me wizards is so against multicolored in a core set. But they broke this rule so I think we will see a few
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The last two core sets used dual colored decks that were not any of the colors mentioned. And I did wonder if theros had cards that encouraged and helped mono colored decks. To be therapeutic after all this multi colored stuff
And the gate less movement in ravnica could have been a foreshadowing of that...there's more evidence against my theory I guess. But then, its still just a theory
Werent the M13 intro decks monocolored?
I <3 Ratchet Bomb!
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Quote from: Birdbrain on May 21, 2013, 07:03:41 PM
The last two core sets used dual colored decks that were not any of the colors mentioned. And I did wonder if theros had cards that encouraged and helped mono colored decks. To be therapeutic after all this multi colored stuff
And the gate less movement in ravnica could have been a foreshadowing of that...there's more evidence against my theory I guess. But then, its still just a theory
Werent the M13 intro decks monocolored?
No, they were just headed by the legendary cycle, i think most were allied pairings though.
Core sets are meant to showcase the bare bones of magic and be a constantly updating training tool for new players. For old players the training tools double as deck building tools that fill in the gaps of the current planes in standard. For example {mana leak}, {farseek}, and {raging goblin}.
That is why multicolor has little to no place in core sets.
I believe the M13 intro decks were (based on memory): {Krenko, Mob Boss}, {Yeva, Nature's Herald}, {Odric, Master Tactician}, {Talrand, Sky Summoner}, {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis}. They were multicolored. Some were enemy colors, if I recall (someone could look this up)
Talrand was {U}{R}, Nefarox was {W}{B} and Yeva was {B}{G}.
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The last two core sets used dual colored decks that were not any of the colors mentioned. And I did wonder if theros had cards that encouraged and helped mono colored decks. To be therapeutic after all this multi colored stuff
And the gate less movement in ravnica could have been a foreshadowing of that...there's more evidence against my theory I guess. But then, its still just a theory
Werent the M13 intro decks monocolored?
No, they were just headed by the legendary cycle, i think most were allied pairings though.
Ah okay. I guess that's why I thought they were mono.
Core sets are for new players anyway. They consist of evergreen mechanics, and 1 non-evergreen mechanic. Core sets are marketed to new players in "Duels of the Planeswalkers", Deckbuilders Toolkits, FNM promos, and multi-pack something-or-others.
It isn't a bad thing, it just is what it is. Kaleo stated before, it gives new player simple archtype decks (like jam all the slivers together. M13 was jam all Exalted together). Rules text appears on every single card to remind new players of what is going on. It gives tools to older players via functional reprints, reprints or new cards.
M13 was one of the worst core sets ever for control, but amazing for aggro (printing {Thragtusk} and {Thundermaw Hellkite}). It is what it aims to achieve, be a "core" to build around. It's given some fantastic cards, like {Primeval Titan} (for green) and Thraggy (also for green), but never delivers the killer theme deck for long. M10 was a rules overhaul and new cards. M11 was evergreen + scry, M12 was evergreen + Hexproof, illusions theme, M13 was evergreen + Exalted. M14 will likely be evergreen + <keyword>, Sliver theme.
Could you imagine if they brought the Storm mechanic back while {Snapcaster Mage} is still in rotation?
Quote from: KangaRod on May 22, 2013, 09:14:56 AM
M12 also had Bloodlust in it.
True. {Stormblood Berserker}.
Bloodthirst I thought
I like the goblin that forces things to attack. You can do all sorts of crazy shenanegins with it
{Doom Blade} & {Shock} are back.
How is no one excited for Goblin Diplomats? As far as I'm concerned, this is the two-drop rare creature that Modern has been clamp ring for. Just think of what it can do: It makes an early played {Tarmagoyf}, {Dark Confidant}, or any other low toughness creature attack into a first striker (which saves you a burn spell). Plus, it's a Goblin, a hugely supported archetype in Modern and most other formats.
I can't wait to see what this guy can bring to the table.
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 24, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
{Doom Blade} & {Shock} are back.
No {Lightning Bolt} ? D;
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Quote from: Monrodesign on May 24, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
{Doom Blade} & {Shock} are back.
No {Lightning Bolt} ? D;
Yes, quite disappointed, but I love my instant speed removal for standard.
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Quote from: Monrodesign on May 24, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
{Doom Blade} & {Shock} are back.
No {Lightning Bolt} ? D;
Dammit!! WotC, we don't want {Shock}! Give us back our bolt!!!
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 25, 2013, 01:19:27 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on May 25, 2013, 12:32:57 AM
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 24, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
{Doom Blade} & {Shock} are back.
No {Lightning Bolt} ? D;
Dammit!! WotC, we don't want {Shock}! Give us back our bolt!!!
Lmao I said the same thing when I read it.
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 25, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 25, 2013, 01:19:27 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on May 25, 2013, 12:32:57 AM
Quote from: Monrodesign on May 24, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
{Doom Blade} & {Shock} are back.
No {Lightning Bolt} ? D;
Dammit!! WotC, we don't want {Shock}! Give us back our bolt!!!
Lmao I said the same thing when I read it.
I'm so happy. My 3/3 Centaurs are safe another day! From {Lightning Bolt} at least.
*shakes my fist* {Doom Blade}!!!
I am glad to see {Doom Blade} again. I hate {Murder}.
Bonescythe Sliver looks like a Predator.
Also, {doom blade}. Yes.
Llanowar elves functional reprint! YESSSS!
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Quote from: bravado883 on May 25, 2013, 10:29:15 AM
Interested in that {Manabarbs} for nonbasics. Wondering what, if any, impact it will have.
Yeah, I'm not thrilled with that. My current deck plays 0 basic lands.
Manabarbs hardly saw any play at all in standard, and it's strictly better. I would be more concerned about {Ghost Quarter} if you run no basics! ;)
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 25, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
Manabarbs hardly saw any play at all in standard, and it's strictly better. I would be more concerned about {Ghost Quarter} if you run no basics! ;)
It'll be gone soon enough! Lol
Quote from: izik99 on May 25, 2013, 09:06:58 AM
Llanowar elves functional reprint! YESSSS!
Damn it all. This means we don't get {Birds of Paradise} most likely. We needed that guy since we're losing our mana base soon! Wait, maybe in Theros because it would be amazing timing! Here's to hoping?
Hope they reprint {Arbor Elf} as well.Need him for my standard Selesnya Deck.
I kept telling myself to hold on to my {Llanowar Elves}, and I knew it would pay off!
Though as a G/W player in Standard, it'll be sad to see {Avacyn's Pilgrim} leave us.
Quote from: Potticus on May 26, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: Frothandslosh on May 26, 2013, 12:41:41 AM
I kept telling myself to hold on to my {Llanowar Elves}, and I knew it would pay off!
Though as a G/W player in Standard, it'll be sad to see {Avacyn's Pilgrim} leave us.
You can't use them. It's a functional reprint
New card is Elvish Mystic. Functionally the same but different name so can't use the {Llanowar Elves}
Quote from: Kagain123 on May 26, 2013, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Potticus on May 26, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: Frothandslosh on May 26, 2013, 12:41:41 AM
I kept telling myself to hold on to my {Llanowar Elves}, and I knew it would pay off!
Though as a G/W player in Standard, it'll be sad to see {Avacyn's Pilgrim} leave us.
You can't use them. It's a functional reprint
New card is Elvish Mystic. Functionally the same but different name so can't use the {Llanowar Elves}
Gosh darn it, that's disappointing.
Then I'll just have to cross out {Llanowar Elves} with Sharpie and write Elvish Mystic right under it. I'm keeping the art I love.
>.< WHY I WANTED MY LLANOWAR ELVES??!! WHY WOTC???!!!
Quote from: Bozo_Law on May 26, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
>.< WHY I WANTED MY LLANOWAR ELVES??!! WHY WOTC???!!!
To get 4 of them you need to buy more packs, !and
We can use it as another green mana fixer in EDH
Quote from: KangaRod on May 27, 2013, 02:57:14 AM
I used to play {Manabarbs} in the sideboard to drop down after a {Wrath of God} tap out, but {Burning Earth} doesn't quite say 'I win' in the same fashion as if. It might work well if the reprint fetch lands in Theros, which people seem to think is a possibility.
I highly doubt it.
I think we will see fetches after the theroes block. Hopefully. I need one {Flooded Strand} and {Polluted Delta} for EDH.
Quote from: imthelolrus on May 27, 2013, 05:06:22 PM
I think we will see fetches after the theroes block. Hopefully. I need one {Flooded Strand} and {Polluted Delta} for EDH.
Og fetches?!? That's crazy talk! Lol that' be cool though
Yeah, they are long overdue for a reprint and would really help smooth out the modern mana base.
Can I not get 1 creature with flash?!
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I wish someone was close with some high ranking officials of WotC to let them know how unfavoring they are towards control right now, and how much it hurts my heart
^ This. But I have said it time and time again. Newer players do not like control. They migrated from other games and want a game where what they are used to is more common. WotC is shaping MtG to meet the demand of the new player base. My theory is that old time players have already settled down into a family and have less money to spend on the game. Whereas the newer player base (teens and young adults) are fresh into the world with plenty of disposable income. They cater to the group that can supply the most business. I do not blame WotC since they are a business. But is still really annoys me that they are handling things this way.
What about the newer player base that would love to experience the finer points, such as control(referencing myself). I want the challenge without havig to spend hundreds on eternal formats(which would require me yo save up and not play magic for a long while) and i also need standard to home my skills(in a control environment rater than aggro).
I agree with you on that
I'm feelin' Water Servant. It's a not-as-good version of {Ætherling} but still looks fun.
They havent weakend control, they've really just strengthened aggro. The unfortunate part is now the gap between aggro and control deck building is larger than ever causing fewer people to test control making for less tried and true control decks at major events.
{Rootwalla}!!!!
I love our new cockatrice.
Just because it Is a cockatrice
Pitty it's probably a {Vampire Nighthawk} replacement
Quote from: Wally on May 30, 2013, 07:17:45 PM
Pitty it's probably a {Vampire Nighthawk} replacement
Sadly yes, and we weep at our loss.
Replacements stink. Give us something weird. Even if its only subtly weird
This may have been talked about already, but what lands do you think we're getting in M14. For some strange reason, I don't think it's going to be the same lands that were in M13. I'm feeling like we're going to get pain lands.
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 31, 2013, 12:35:31 PM
This may have been talked about already, but what lands do you think we're getting in M14. For some strange reason, I don't think it's going to be the same lands that were in M13. I'm feeling like we're going to get pain lands.
That's what im hoping. Mainly because I have playsets of all of the painlands.
None, I guess we will be stuck using guild gates when the others rotate. There is just way too much mana fixing out there at the moment. Been spoiled with all these fancy lands too and a fair portion of it all barely sees play.
Exactly Wally, we aren't getting any nice lands. Maybe Painlands, that would be cool.
What are pain lands?
I doubt we get pain lands. New players hate paying life. Core sets are for new players. I thought they already spoiled 5 mono-colored lands that did something. I believe that'll be it.
Quote from: Dudecore on May 31, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I doubt we get pain lands. New players hate paying life. Core sets are for new players. I thought they already spoiled 5 mono-colored lands that did something. I believe that'll be it.
Anyone have a link for the spoilers? I have yet to look through them. I don't really have time to find a good site right now. Unless salvation is my only option. I prefer pictures. It helps me get a better feel for the card.
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/
I'm excited about goblin diplomats. There's a lot of shenanigans you can do with him (more than some might think)
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
What are pain lands?
Pain lands 1st appeared in ice age. I believe they've been reprinted though. Allied colors, comes into play untapped, taps for {1}, or you can tap for either of the allied colors and it deals one damage to you. {Brushland}
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
What are pain lands?
{Sulfurous Springs}, {Caves of Koilos}, {Yavimaya Coast}, etc.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 31, 2013, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
What are pain lands?
{Sulfurous Springs}, {Caves of Koilos}, {Yavimaya Coast}, etc.
Lol! I forgot about the enemy ones in apocalypse, and torment. Duh
{city of brass} is one i think
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 31, 2013, 04:02:01 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 31, 2013, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
What are pain lands?
{Sulfurous Springs}, {Caves of Koilos}, {Yavimaya Coast}, etc.
Lol! I forgot about the enemy ones in apocalypse, and torment. Duh
Hahah yah. All ten were reprinted in 10th Ed. Maybe 9th too.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 31, 2013, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 31, 2013, 04:02:01 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 31, 2013, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
What are pain lands?
{Sulfurous Springs}, {Caves of Koilos}, {Yavimaya Coast}, etc.
Lol! I forgot about the enemy ones in apocalypse, and torment. Duh
Hahah yah. All ten were reprinted in 10th Ed. Maybe 9th too.
There were no pain lands printed in torment. They were tainted lands. Tap to add one colorless, or if you controlled a swamp, tap to either black or the appropriate color.
{Tainted Field}
{Tainted Isle}
{Tainted Peak}
{Tainted Wood}
Those are sweet
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 04:03:31 PM
{city of brass} is one i think
That's a whole other dinosaur, lol
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 31, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 04:03:31 PM
{city of brass} is one i think
That's a whole other dinosaur, lol
City of brass is the ultimate pain land. Add one mana, any color. However, whenever it gets tapped, you take damage. I always loved using {Icy Manipulator} to keep tapping the land. Constant damage!!!
Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 31, 2013, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 31, 2013, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: Harmon74 on May 31, 2013, 04:02:01 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on May 31, 2013, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on May 31, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
What are pain lands?
{Sulfurous Springs}, {Caves of Koilos}, {Yavimaya Coast}, etc.
Lol! I forgot about the enemy ones in apocalypse, and torment. Duh
Hahah yah. All ten were reprinted in 10th Ed. Maybe 9th too.
There were no pain lands printed in torment. They were tainted lands. Tap to add one colorless, or if you controlled a swamp, tap to either black or the appropriate color.
{Tainted Field}
{Tainted Isle}
{Tainted Peak}
{Tainted Wood}
That's right. My bad. The enemy lands were in apocalypse.
It's not going to happen but I'd like to see a more playable {Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded} I was disappointed when he first dropped but they could make him better...even if it means a high CMC.
I'd like a new elspeth as well. Kind of sick of ajani...I've got multiples of every one lol for some reason I pull them every time they print him.
Hopefully Chandra's better this time around. I haven't really liked any of them so far.
I'm over Garruk too...I have a sick elf deck and would love to see a new Nissa...even if it doesn't deal with elves.
As for black...I'm kind of torn. I'd like a new sorin but I'd also like to see a new face.
And i agree with everyone's statements earlier in the thread....give us some decent counterspells to work with this time around for goodness sakes. This is why...even tho I'm a relatively new player...I don't normally make standard decks.
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on June 01, 2013, 03:50:32 AM
It's not going to happen but I'd like to see a more playable {Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded} I was disappointed when he first dropped but they could make him better...even if it means a high CMC.
I'd like a new elspeth as well. Kind of sick of ajani...I've got multiples of every one lol for some reason I pull them every time they print him.
Hopefully Chandra's better this time around. I haven't really liked any of them so far.
I'm over Garruk too...I have a sick elf deck and would love to see a new Nissa...even if it doesn't deal with elves.
As for black...I'm kind of torn. I'd like a new sorin but I'd also like to see a new face.
And i agree with everyone's statements earlier in the thread....give us some decent counterspells to work with this time around for goodness sakes. This is why...even tho I'm a relatively new player...I don't normally make standard decks.
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They are reprinting {Garruk's Horde}, so garruk will prob be in there in some form or another. There are ajani, liliana, and jace creatures as well, so they'll most likely be in there in some form as well. {rise of the dark realm} kinda suggests its going to be {Liliana of the Dark Realms}. When are they supposed to spoil some new cards? Seems like its been a while.
Quote from: Harmon74 on June 01, 2013, 10:51:09 AM
They are reprinting {Garruk's Horde}, so garruk will prob be in there in some form or another. There are ajani, liliana, and jace creatures as well, so they'll most likely be in there in some form as well. {rise of the dark realm} kinda suggests its going to be {Liliana of the Dark Realms}. When are they supposed to spoil some new cards? Seems like its been a while.
And there are Chandra cards as well.
Reprint of wasteland? Lol
Quote from: izik99 on May 25, 2013, 09:06:58 AM
Llanowar elves functional reprint! YESSSS!
UGGGGHHH WHY NOT JUST PRINT THE REAL LLANOWAR ELVES?! NOW WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER! I HATE YOU WIZARDS PEOPLE WHO TOOK ECONOMY CLASSES!!! I DON'T WANNA BUY NEW ELVES!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Quote from: KangaRod on June 02, 2013, 05:26:23 AM
I hope they make a 3 mana playable Chandra. She's always sucked, and is really the only Coreset plainswalker that doesn't have a playable version.
This! I want her to have a JtMS-tier card. She's always been so bad :(
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 02, 2013, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on June 02, 2013, 05:26:23 AM
I hope they make a 3 mana playable Chandra. She's always sucked, and is really the only Coreset plainswalker that doesn't have a playable version.
This! I want her to have a JtMS-tier card. She's always been so bad :(
Yeah, I'd love a good 3-drop Chandra. She doesn't have to be as powerful as JtMS. She doesn't even have to be as good as Lili. I just want a Chandra card that's at least as useful as {Garruk Wildspeaker}. Something -good- and worthy enough to seek out.
I kinda hope that if they are going to reprint a Garruk, it is {Garruk Wildspeaker} rather than {Garruk, Primal Hunter}. It makes more sense in a core set, imo. Green needs ramp, Primal Hunter doesn't do that. Wildspeaker does. If we get the original five, I really hope we get all new versions. I don't want to see {Jace, Memory Adept} again....
Oh, that makes me want to see {Jace Beleren} again, though!
I think we'll see {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} again, he's a new walker, and I actually think he's damn good!
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 02, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
I think we'll see {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} again, he's a new walker, and I actually think he's damn good!
I'm absolutely with you there. He'll probably replace {Silverblade Paladin} in most Standard decks when he rotates out.
Anyone have a hunch or want to make a wild guess on which rare lands we will see? Wizards said they wont bring back the old core set lands.
The slivers are coming back :T, I just hope that not every one plays then. Although I'm kk da glad they are bringing back {sengir vampire} I always liked him as a card. It'll be interesting to see if he gets any play
Quote from: imthelolrus on June 02, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Anyone have a hunch or want to make a {wild guess} on which rare lands we will see? Wizards said they wont bring back the old core set lands.
Come on mate we all gotta put squiggly brackets lol
Quote from: KangaRod on June 03, 2013, 02:49:41 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on June 02, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Anyone have a hunch or want to make a wild guess on which rare lands we will see? Wizards said they wont bring back the old core set lands.
Did they say that for sure?
Yeah I can't cite the article but I think someone in r&d stated the original 5 won't be back. It made me think they'd just print the innistrad ones.. One of the owners at my lgs thinks it'll be the filter lands but those seem out of place in a core set.
What if they are mono color effect lands ala {oran reif the vastwood}
I hope not, filters baby
Unless they plan on printing all 10 Taplands, it'd be rather unfair otherwise. They just spent a block promoting the guilds - to print 5 allied Taplands and not the enemies is silly. I think we will probably get cycling lands or something new.
I've said it a million times (well...probably 7) the new players hate paying life. I seriously, seriously doubt we get fetches. Usually every couple of weeks someone asks "what is so good about Shocklands?" Besides, we got shocks, guild gates, Keyrunes and cluestones. While they're not ideal, they are still dual lands.
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on June 04, 2013, 01:29:35 PM
What if they are mono color effect lands ala {oran reif the vastwood}
This card goes on the list of, 'how to make {Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch} better in standard.'
Quote from: Dudecore on June 04, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
Unless they plan on printing all 10 Taplands, it'd be rather unfair otherwise. They just spent a block promoting the guilds - to print 5 allied Taplands and not the enemies is silly. I think we will probably get cycling lands or something new.
I've said it a million times (well...probably 7) the new players hate paying life. I seriously, seriously doubt we get fetches. Usually every couple of weeks someone asks "what is so good about Shocklands?" Besides, we got shocks, guild gates, Keyrunes and cluestones. While they're not ideal, they are still dual lands.
You make me sad, DC. I couldn't care less about another cycle of tap lands or cycling lands, I just want to see damn fetches!
But I do see your point. And if anyone doesn't have about 150,000 cluestones, they probably are
very new. Damn DGM packs.
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 04, 2013, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on June 04, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
Unless they plan on printing all 10 Taplands, it'd be rather unfair otherwise. They just spent a block promoting the guilds - to print 5 allied Taplands and not the enemies is silly. I think we will probably get cycling lands or something new.
I've said it a million times (well...probably 7) the new players hate paying life. I seriously, seriously doubt we get fetches. Usually every couple of weeks someone asks "what is so good about Shocklands?" Besides, we got shocks, guild gates, Keyrunes and cluestones. While they're not ideal, they are still dual lands.
You make me sad, DC. I couldn't care less about another cycle of tap lands or cycling lands, I just want to see damn fetches!
But I do see your point. And if anyone doesn't have about 150,000 cluestones, they probably are very new. Damn DGM packs.
Fetches will never be core set material, whatever it is im excited for something new
We get a {giant spider}...
Wizards is trying to piss us off now.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 05, 2013, 01:46:48 AM
We get a {giant spider}...
Wizards is trying to piss us off now.
Not really. You can't go into a core set expecting much besides {Doom Blade}, {Giant Spider}, {Cancel}, etc. Only thing exciting in core sets are the breakout cards, or whatever they're called. {Thragtusk}, {Thumdermaw Hellkite}, {Baneslayer Angel}, {Serra Ascendent}, etc. Or the random cards like {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} :P
You guys think there will be a new 5 colored legendary sliver again?
Quote from: Potticus on June 05, 2013, 08:03:46 AM
Quote from: Revils on June 05, 2013, 07:30:26 AM
You guys think there will be a new 5 colored legendary sliver again?
Yes I do
i'd like to see a five-color planeswalker. probably wouldn't ever use it. it would just be fun to see
What do you think about the abolitity of the 5 colored sliver? I'm hoping it will be Hexproof .Or indestructible .. The abilities of the new slivers are stating all slivers you control and the type 1 is all slivers. The new slivers are kicka**
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What about this: they reprint the onslaught fetches in m14. (This makes all fetches legal in modern), then they reprint enemy fetches in theros block. (This makes all fetches more available, and legal in modern)
what do you think a five colored planeswalker would do?
Quote from: Harmon74 on June 05, 2013, 11:12:33 AM
What about this: they reprint the onslaught fetches in m14. (This makes all fetches legal in modern), then they reprint enemy fetches in theros block. (This makes all fetches more available, and legal in modern)
Ha! That'd be crazy!
They aren't worried about the availability of fetches.
I saw on one of the packs a lightsaber ninja guy . Hope he's good!
Quote from: Agarrita80 on June 05, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
I saw on one of the packs a lightsaber ninja guy . Hope he's good!
Lightsaber ninja guys are always good
Man oh man. I can't wait to add this guy to my Bantchantment deck.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/ajanischosen.jpg)
It's strange that flavor text. Did you know, a lions full throated roar can actualy make the ground shake?
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 06, 2013, 03:59:08 PM
It's strange that flavor text. Did you know, a lions full throated roar can actualy make the ground shake?
That's why Aslan was a lion...
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 06, 2013, 03:59:08 PM
It's strange that flavor text. Did you know, a lions full throated roar can actualy make the ground shake?
no I didn't know that.
This core set is looking pretty fun so far. I see an instant speed reanimate (reanimate Emrakul anyone?), return of some great cards like {Phantom Warrior}, {Shock}, and {Doom Blade}, lots of neat, interesting rares and mythics, a colossal whale that makes me laugh, and we even get a {0} drop, {Accorder's Shield}!
It's looking like a lot of life-gain stuff is coming out in white. I may have to make that life-gain EDH deck after all.
My speculation for planeswalkers based on cards that we see so far:
{W}: {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}. With all of the life gain and Ajani's Chosen, seems to me like Ajani here is going to be our guy.
{U}: {Jace, Memory Adept}. As much as I dislike it, I'm guessing memory adept will be back. Based on jace's fish illusion and lots of card draw. So tired of Jace.
{B}: {Liliana of the Dark Realms}. Based on the dark realms mythic, and multiple cards that are based on "swamps you control" like {Quag Sickness}.
{R}: New Chandra. Based on the fact that we all know it's a new Chandra already :P
{G}: unsure. Probably Garruk, based on the reprint of {Garruk's Horde}, but you never know if they might sneak in {Nissa Revane} and {Nissa's Chosen} on us. If it is Garruk, it'll probably be {Garruk, Primal Hunter} again, though I'd rather have {Garruk Wildspeaker}.
My opinions, anyway.
I think
{W}= {Ajani, Caller of Pride}
{B}= {Liliana of the Dark Realms}
{U}= New Jace
{G}= new garruk
{R}= new chandra
My thinking is because we had jace, garruk and chandra had there new pw for 2 years and liliana and ajani only 1 year :)
Also the flavor text on the new mana elf mentions nissa
I don't think jace will ever be reprinted again. I'm thinking he stayed in ravnica after completing the maze to bring balance to it
Theyve already proven jace is back with spiolers like that eel with "jace" in it's name.
Jace will be reprinted again. The reason being he is one of the most liked planeswalkers in magic and the most printed if im right
Quote from: Taysby on June 07, 2013, 11:15:28 AM
Cite your sources. Give me a video. Something. Because I don't believe it.
http://www.pulpittoday.com/blog/view/the-lions-roar
http://happilycaldwell.blogspot.com/2012/12/lions-roar.html?m=1
http://mobile.omg-facts.com/History/A-Lion-s-Roar-Can-Be-Heard-Five-Miles-Aw/50607
I can find more if you want
Liliana: all core sets, lorwyn, innistrad
Garruk: same
Chandra: all core sets lowwyn, zendikar
Ajani: all core sets, lorwyn, alara
Jace: all core sets, lorwyn, worldwake and rtr
* all core sets mean all of the ones with them included lol
I thought Gideon was the first white walker
No ajani was. He was in lorwyn. And lorwyn pw's are called the "original 5" i think
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on June 07, 2013, 03:35:20 PM
I think
{W}= {Ajani, Caller of Pride}
{B}= {Liliana of the Dark Realms}
{U}= New Jace
{G}= new garruk
{R}= new chandra
My thinking is because we had jace, garruk and chandra had there new pw for 2 years and liliana and ajani only 1 year :)
We already have four jace, so I doubt they'd make a new one. Green, maybe Nissa? If its Nissa revane, my friend might reconsider an elf deck, since he has the WorldwAke Nissa. Chandra, probably. Ajani and Liliana I doubt since we had both in m13.
I'd like to see some new walkers. I want to see a walker for ever two color combinations
They're called the Lorywn 5 lol
Ya lol. :)
But as i said they are the lorwyn 5, and they should never be taken out of core sets because they are the most main??? Lol planeswalkers in magic unless im missing people. I dont think there will be any new mono colored planeswalkers in cores sets. Besides new ones of the lorwyn 5
Tibalt would be grate, since we've only seen him once.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 07, 2013, 08:40:01 PM
Tibalt would be grate, since we've only seen him once.
Maybe in a non-core set (im stupid, alright) but not in a core set. Imo
I'm pretty sure the only new planeswalker will be a new Chandra. The intro pack display cards have been spoiled and the jace one has a mill effect, the green one is {Garruk's Horde}
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/magic-2014-core-set-intro-packs/
I dont like the looks of M14, there better be a sliver lining. YES, YES I DID :)
You know...what if players got an intro pack plus two or three packs at the prerelease (there's already two packs in the intro pack I think)
It'd be meh because the burden of deck construction has already been taken off the player at that point. All they need to do is tweak unless give the boosters allow for a completely different direction.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 07, 2013, 08:40:01 PM
Tibalt would be grate, since we've only seen him once.
Tibalt is the worst planeswalker i've ever seen, it would make red decks terrible, plus the theme is chandra mostly so we know we're gonna have her
If you go on planeswalker points in the achievment section it has all the planeswalkers for the 5 colors. Same planeswalkers but some reprints, it seems to be...
{Chandra Nalaar}
{Jace Belaren}
{Garruk Primal Hunter}
New Liliana or new art
New Ajani or new art
For liliana and ajani the art is not on any cards but it could be new art for old cards
Kookookachoo
New Chandra is how I figure the M14 planeswalkers:
{W} - {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} *updated in M13*
{U} - {Jace Beleren}
{B} - {Liliana of the Dark Realms} *updated in M13*
{G} - {Garruk Wildspeaker}/New Garruk
{R} - 100% a new Chandra. M14 is based on here, Mark Rosewater said a playable Chandra is on the Shortlist.
Quote from: Dudecore on June 12, 2013, 08:02:45 AM
New Chandra is how I figure the M14 planeswalkers:
{W} - {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} *updated in M13*
{U} - {Jace Beleren}
{B} - {Liliana of the Dark Realms} *updated in M13*
{G} - {Garruk Wildspeaker}/New Garruk
{R} - 100% a new Chandra. M14 is based on here, Mark Rosewater said a playable Chandra is on the Shortlist.
I hope we get Belran back, he'll replace Architect of Thought for me.
Celestial Flare
WW
Instant
Target player sacrifices target attacking or blocking creature.
And it's common...
Its pretty much only useful against indestructible, which doesnt seem to be a big thing(cept for {falkenrath aristocrat})
Quote from: MisterJH on June 12, 2013, 10:38:23 AM
Its pretty much only useful against indestructible, which doesnt seem to be a big thing(cept for {falkenrath aristocrat})
Gonna make Boros/Naya aggro even harder to deal with.
Quote from: Monrodesign on June 12, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
Celestial Flare
WW
Instant
Target player sacrifices target attacking or blocking creature.
And it's common...
Yes! Love it! My pauper RW deck could use more removal.
I don't think it says target attacking or blocking creature
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 12, 2013, 10:43:17 AM
I don't think it says target attacking or blocking creature
You are correct. According to MTGS, it's "Target player sacrifices an attacking or blocking creature."
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 12, 2013, 10:43:17 AM
I don't think it says target attacking or blocking creature
My bad.
If its not target attackig/blocking then i dont even like it a little
Quote from: bravado883 on June 12, 2013, 05:29:04 PM
Unfortunately edict effects don't target. Not really sure why this card is WW instead of 1W...the double colored mana cost makes it almost unplayable in my opinion. You know what card I want sooooooooo bad? Something that costs like BB and reads "Target creature's toughness becomes 0 until end of turn." That would be wonderful.
No way! With the amount of +1/+1 counters getting around at the moment, you would never kill anything. :/
Reprint walkers...
Jace, Memory Adept
Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Liliana of the Dark Realms
are confirmed.
We have art + names only for
Chandra, Firebringer
Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Quote from: Dudecore on June 12, 2013, 08:02:45 AM
New Chandra is how I figure the M14 planeswalkers:
{W} - {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} *updated in M13*
{U} - {Jace Beleren}
{B} - {Liliana of the Dark Realms} *updated in M13*
{G} - {Garruk Wildspeaker}/New Garruk
{R} - 100% a new Chandra. M14 is based on here, Mark Rosewater said a playable Chandra is on the Shortlist.
Partially correct with my predictions. the planeswalkers:
{W} - {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} *updated in M13*
{U} - {Jace, Memory Adept}
{B} - {Liliana of the Dark Realms} *updated in M13*
{G} - New Garruk. {Garruk, Caller of Beasts}
{R} - New Chandra. {Chandra, Flamebringer}
Plus a {Mutavault} reprinting in a core set is huge. It's going to drive the price of Mutavault down pretty substantially. Core sets casually print all year, and packs appear in lots of suplimental products, deckbuilder Toolkits, dual packs, everything else.
is there a way to get up to the new Chandra's ulti?
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 13, 2013, 09:53:14 AM
is there a way to get up to the new Chandra's ulti?
Has her abilities been spoiled yet?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.imgur.com/XFtWYRq.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p%3D10132766&h=523&w=375&sz=40&tbnid=b3AdcIRirX5aHM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=71&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dchandra%2Bflamebringer%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=chandra+flamebringer&usg=__LZofYZ4WkEscRjAw79UEIfmKNVk=&docid=EDBjNypLmUfBCM&sa=X&ei=YNK5UfaYH9bi4AOaq4HgBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAg&dur=477
Lol
i was wondering if 20 loyalty is even achievable...besides from Gideon
We finally got a "you win the game" planeswalker!
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 13, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.imgur.com/XFtWYRq.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p%3D10132766&h=523&w=375&sz=40&tbnid=b3AdcIRirX5aHM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=71&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dchandra%2Bflamebringer%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=chandra+flamebringer&usg=__LZofYZ4WkEscRjAw79UEIfmKNVk=&docid=EDBjNypLmUfBCM&sa=X&ei=YNK5UfaYH9bi4AOaq4HgBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAg&dur=477
Looks fake to me. First hint: the set symbol isn't M14. Second hint: every planeswalker has artwork that extends outside of the frame and into card name text area.
I think that's a fake. Until it actually gets spoiled I'm going to hold my reservations.
It is fake, I wish that second ability was real though
I just took a closer look yes it is very fake...some parts of the card just ar not the right size!
Dude, {Mutavault} and {Scavenging Ooze} in a core set is nuts.
Too bad its not like there are any crazy NEW CARDS!!!! CMON WOTC GIMME SOME NEW ISH
Lol wut? Where did {Mutavault} come from??
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 13, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Lol wut? Where did {Mutavault} come from??
i now a suspicion that theros is gonna a be tribal...
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 13, 2013, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 13, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Lol wut? Where did {Mutavault} come from??
i now a suspicion that theros is gonna a be tribal...
If were only as lucky, i love tribal. Slivers also seem to support, albeit they are bad... I kind of want a set where overall the set is awful, forcing players to play without anything glamorous.. But also have cards that individually are good and maintain price in eternal formats.. I think a block of awful cards would be funny
Quote from: MisterJH on June 13, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 13, 2013, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 13, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Lol wut? Where did {Mutavault} come from??
i now a suspicion that theros is gonna a be tribal...
If were only as lucky, i love tribal. Slivers also seem to support, albeit they are bad... I kind of want a set where overall the set is awful, forcing players to play without anything glamorous.. But also have cards that individually are good and maintain price in eternal formats.. I think a block of awful cards would be funny
I DON'T want theros to be kamigara
Quote from: MisterJH on June 13, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 13, 2013, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 13, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Lol wut? Where did {Mutavault} come from??
i now a suspicion that theros is gonna a be tribal...
If were only as lucky, i love tribal. Slivers also seem to support, albeit they are bad... I kind of want a set where overall the set is awful, forcing players to play without anything glamorous.. But also have cards that individually are good and maintain price in eternal formats.. I think a block of awful cards would be funny
Please no. We don't need another {homelands} set...lol
Lol psh yall are haters, ithink itd be funny! But can someone please email wotc and ask for more myr
Quote from: CbStrad on June 13, 2013, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 13, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on June 13, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on June 13, 2013, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 13, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Lol wut? Where did {Mutavault} come from??
i now a suspicion that theros is gonna a be tribal...
If were only as lucky, i love tribal. Slivers also seem to support, albeit they are bad... I kind of want a set where overall the set is awful, forcing players to play without anything glamorous.. But also have cards that individually are good and maintain price in eternal formats.. I think a block of awful cards would be funny
Please no. We don't need another {homelands} set...lol
Looks like I picked a good time to switch to Modern...
Yep. Standard pretty much sucks.
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 13, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.imgur.com/XFtWYRq.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p%3D10132766&h=523&w=375&sz=40&tbnid=b3AdcIRirX5aHM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=71&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dchandra%2Bflamebringer%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=chandra+flamebringer&usg=__LZofYZ4WkEscRjAw79UEIfmKNVk=&docid=EDBjNypLmUfBCM&sa=X&ei=YNK5UfaYH9bi4AOaq4HgBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAg&dur=477
You could almost say her last ability...
😎
BURNS ME UP with envy!
Yep, I just went there.
Why is everyone complaining about a core set? Core sets are bare bones magic we wont get a {snapcaster mage}, {kiki-jiki mirror breaker}, or {angel of serenity} out of a core set ever (hopefully). Even the core set power houses of the past have been very straight foreword; {thragtusk}, {primeval titan}, {baneslayer angel}. They have to be cards that when a new player reads them they know how to play them. {Savage Summoning} is probably the most confusing card for new players we will get. Core brings us staples not hammers.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 13, 2013, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 13, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.imgur.com/XFtWYRq.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p%3D10132766&h=523&w=375&sz=40&tbnid=b3AdcIRirX5aHM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=71&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dchandra%2Bflamebringer%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=chandra+flamebringer&usg=__LZofYZ4WkEscRjAw79UEIfmKNVk=&docid=EDBjNypLmUfBCM&Ga=X&ei=YNK5UfaYH9bi4AOaq4HgBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAg&dur=477
You could almost say her last ability...
😎
BURNS ME UP with envy!
Yep, I just went there.
It's fake, but that's very PUNNY! ;)
Anybody see the new garruk
Ugh, wizards is so good at what they do... I wasn't going to buy a single pack and now I want to just for {Mutavault} and {Scavenging Ooze} -_-
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/thenextjordan/image.jpg) (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/thenextjordan/media/image.jpg.html)
Saw this, it's probably not legitimately her. But it stands within reason that it could be her.
That Is a fake.
1. D. Alexander Gregory is the artist for all core set planes walkers.
2. It just doesn't seem like a GOOD Chandra to me, seems a little aggro and that is not chandra
Yea, didn't think it was. Just had a small chance seeing how her abilities kind of made her seem playable.
Destroying land is at least a -3 in my book, if not that's crazy
{Stone rain} in standard is too good especially with the possibility of gettijg multiple instances. That being said, having no plus ability could potentially justify this.
Honestly, I hope that's fake. Not impressive at all IMO...
She's not fanservice-y enough to be M14's Chandra.
Besides, MaRo confirmed that the new Chandra does something that "has never been done before" in red's color pie.
I wish they'd just say ".love. it, go ahead and put her on the modern banned list. Standard is getting an amazing card this set."
As much as I like modern, I just want another $150 PW
Quote from: bravado883 on June 13, 2013, 03:19:07 PM
Totally with Kaleo on this one. First, there are some pretty good cards spoiled already, even for control despite what everyone says. {Opportunity} is a better draw spell than {Sphinx's Revelation} in terms of pure card advantage, so now control can break from the U/W/x shell it's been held to for the last year or so. {Grim Return} is just awesome. I think {Archangel of Thune} could be the real deal as well.
We also need to remember that the majority of this core set will be played WITHOUT innistrad block or M13. All those rare X/3s that look terrible right now in a format full of {Searing Spear} have the potential to get a lot better if {Shock} becomes the staple red removal spell. And finally, we haven't seen a TON of the cards (we still don't even know what nonbasic lands we're getting outside of {Mutavault} and {Shimmering Grotto}), and I'm sure there will be some more bombs. I'm still holding out for {Thoughtseize}.
Ok opportunity is better if you want to draw 4.. But you lose the flexibility of sphinx's you lose the life gain, and all for 1 mana cheaper. Also i think were losing {farseek} which made for a bigger sphinx's in bnt decks at least
I just want WotC to try and make another planeswalker with four abilities, preferably Chandra.
Unfortunately, after JtMS, I'm afraid that we'll never see another.
That'd be sweet
Not gonna lie I hope chandra sucks, because I play all colors but red...and if she's too broken I'll have to use her.
Maybe they'll make a new Bolas PW
Quote from: Rasser on June 13, 2013, 08:00:44 PM
Maybe they'll make a new Bolas PW
I've been wondering when they were going to do this myself.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on June 13, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Rasser on June 13, 2013, 08:00:44 PM
Maybe they'll make a new Bolas PW
I've been wondering when they were going to do this myself.
I hope never. He was THE nicol bolas, planeswalker. I say reprint him, nothing more.. Thats my view though
I love nicol bolas. I've pulled 3 and 2 were foilies
A few reasons why standard might get a {thoughtseize}...
1. WOTC has talked about putting it in m14
2. With it not being printed in modern masters, just like {mutavault} which has been reprinted, it might share the same fate.
3. We need some good control cards. :)
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 13, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
A few reasons why standard might get a {thoughtseize}...
1. WOTC has talked about putting it in m14
2. With it not being printed in modern masters, just like {mutavault} which has been reprinted, it might share the same fate.
3. We need some good control cards. :)
Holy .poo. that would be crazy.
Wouldn't thoughtsieze be used more against control than in it? Seems that way to me at least.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 13, 2013, 11:08:37 PM
Wouldn't thoughtsieze be used more against control than in it? Seems that way to me at least.
Could work both ways, I suppose. Make them get rid of a counterspell, or see what they're planning so you'll know whether you should save your own counterspell.
{Jace, Memory Adept} spoiled on mtgsalvation along with other boring reprints. Looks like we get mill jace for a long time now. Fml. This is complete and utter bs. I hate the mill jace and so sick and tired of it.
Hey, hr IS pretty overpowered. Plus, aren't all the jace cards mill?
But we have {Jace, Architect of Thought}... I mean no offense but that's a little ridiculous to expect a new jace when we literally JUST got one.
Forgot about him.. I guess he's more Izzet, isn't he? Ultimate instant/sorcery thing with a splash of control.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 14, 2013, 12:34:52 AM
{Jace, Memory Adept} spoiled on mtgsalvation along with other boring reprints. Looks like we get mill jace for a long time now. Fml. This is complete and utter bs. I hate the mill jace and so sick and tired of it.
Got a problem with 3 years of him?? 😜
I was really hoping for {Jace Beleren} :(
This is just supposed to be for fun
{R}{R}{R}
Chandra flamebringer
+1: scream at target creature. If it flinches deal 4 damage to it, otherwise, deal 2 damage to it
-3: target player discards the top card of there library, and loses life equal to twice that cards converted mana cost
-7: flip the table.
My rationalizing on the second ability is its burning away the opponents mind...maybe it should exile the card instead?
Edit: and I'm guessing the curse Garruk had on his home plane (I read somewhere he was originally from innistrad) might have something to do with his new abilities. And how avacyn handled the curse as well
{Garruk, relentless}
{Garruk, the veil cursed}
I know Anjani is from Naya, but don't know where the other walkers are from. I know Jace went to ravnica as a kid, but I'm not sure he's originally from there. And where are Chandra and Liliana from?
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 14, 2013, 08:04:25 AM
I know Anjani is from Naya, but don't know where the other walkers are from. I know Jace went to ravnica as a kid, but I'm not sure he's originally from there. And where are Chandra and Liliana from?
Unknown and unknown.
I think nicol bolas is in the core set, and has already been spoiled. You just have to look into a certain planeswalkers past to find him
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 14, 2013, 01:28:55 PM
I think nicol bolas is in the core set, and has already been spoiled. You just have to look into a certain planeswalkers past to find him
Who!?!? Tell mehhhh
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Liliana_Vess
Who is this Raven Man???
Looks like my guess was -almost- right.
We have {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}, {Jace, Memory Adept}, {Liliana of the Dark Realms}, NEW {Chandra, Flamebringer}, and NEW {Garruk, Caller of Beasts}. Info other than names and art unknown so far on the new walkers (to me, using mythicspoiler as my source, that is)
I remember hearing this
{Ajani Goldmane} {Ajani Vengeant} and {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} are naya
I heard that they might bring back the original five planeswalkers {Ajani Goldmane} {Jace Beleren} {Liliana Vess} {Chandra Nalaar} and {Garruk Wildspeaker}
Quote from: Malachiracer on June 17, 2013, 05:00:54 PM
I remember hearing this
{Ajani Goldmane} {Ajani Vengeant} and {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} are naya
Ajani is originally from Naya, according to mtg lore, yes.
Quote from: Malachiracer on June 17, 2013, 05:05:26 PM
I heard that they might bring back the original five planeswalkers {Ajani Goldmane} {Jace Beleren} {Liliana Vess} {Chandra Nalaar} and {Garruk Wildspeaker}
We are getting those 5 walkers, but not those 5 cards of them (see my post just above)
I ment I heard that those would be the versions printed
Quote from: Malachiracer on June 17, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
I ment I heard that those would be the versions printed
We are getting;
Chandra Flamebringer, Garruk, Caller of Beasts, Jace, Memory Adept, Ajani, Caller of the Pride, and Liliana the Dark Realms.
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/garruk-caller-of-beast-real-or-fake/ this looks real. Real seeming abilities, the head-thing, everything. Hope it is real.
His second ability has both an obvious grammar mistake and also a Magic: the Gathering mistake.
Grammar: "Put two 3/3 Beast token onto the..."
Magic: It should say "creature token".
Edit: oh and I will add that 3CMC plainswalkers aren't ready to ultimate after two uses. So fake.
Daen
Again the artwork has always extended into the textbox on PWs as well
This one does at the tip
Plus it isn't the same font used by magic cards.
And the art has already been spoiled, and this isn't it?
Yeah, and this isn't it.
But I like this art better than the art spoiled, this looks epic. The other looks plain, and flat.
I do hate the spoils Garruk art. It disappoints me that, at this point, that isn't the actual art. Hopefully WoTC is trolling us and the spoiled art is bs
I hope, pray, plead, beg, and cry at night to make sure that it isn't real.
Can you post the spoiled art? I haven't seen it.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 17, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Can you post the spoiled art? I haven't seen it.
You don't want to see it. It's wack.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 17, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Can you post the spoiled art? I haven't seen it.
http://mythicspoiler.com/
I really like the new Chandra art tho. The only way they could make up for the Garruk art is by making his end game ridiculously good...
Eh could be better
{Scourge of Valkas} and {Utvara Hellkite} seems really good in Casual and EDH
Quote from: Silent1236 on June 18, 2013, 07:00:54 PM
{Scourge of Valkas} and {Utvara Hellkite} seems really good in Casual and EDH
Scourge is good with copy spells. Maybe a Scourge, {Splinter Twin} deck is in order.
Like I said wizards has pictures of the planeswalkers on it's website http://www.wizards.com/Magic/PlaneswalkerPoints/Achievements
Why would they put a picture of {Jace Belaren} if the planeswalker is {Jace Memory Adept}
It would make no sense
It is a picture of {Chandra Nallar} on the website and on the booster packs. The booster pack arts are always card arts from the set!!!
The websites are most likely wrong! Who do you trust more Wizards or other websites.
The picture for green is obviosly {Garruk Primal Hunter} so why would Garruk not be in M14
Black and White are new arts, they could be for old cards or for new cards.
It makes no sense why those wouldn't be the cards in the set, so therefore they probably are.
Is that Akroma on the 20th Anniversary gauntlet achievement??
Well wizards told us quite some times ago, that they were centering the set around Chandra, and the planeswalker spark. Plus, they have told us we are getting a new Chandra. We aren't getting an akroma in m14. And that's on the gauntlet, (from recently specified information) as far as spoilers go. Most of the mythic spots have been filled, we have 3 white mythics already. I don't believe we shall have a fourth.
Anyway, that is why we know Chandra, Flamebringer is real, however all versions spoiled so far are not.
Plus memory adept has been spoiled already by wizards so, there's your proof. :)
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 18, 2013, 11:08:17 PM
Well wizards told us quite some times ago, that they were centering the set around Chandra, and the planeswalker spark. Plus, they have told us we are getting a new Chandra. We aren't getting an akroma in m14. And that's on the gauntlet, (from recently specified information) as far as spoilers go. Most of the mythic spots have been filled, we have 3 white mythics already. I don't believe we shall have a fourth.
Anyway, that is why we know Chandra, Flamebringer is real, however all versions spoiled so far are not.
I wasn't expecting an Akroma in M13, but are we getting a new one soon? That'd be pretty cool.
But wouldn't it be wierd why they have jace belaren there?
No. Maybe they didn't want people to know who the m14 pw's are. Lol
That new lifegain angel has nowhere to go but up, i recommend getting them asap!
Doesn't anyone find it wierd that they are bringing back {Capashen knight}? what plane are the Capashen's from? what plane are slivers from? I think we are returning to Dominiria soon
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 20, 2013, 09:48:14 AM
Doesn't anyone find it wierd that they are bringing back {Capashen knight}? what plane are the Capashen's from? what plane are slivers from? I think we are returning to Dominiria soon
Good eye birdbrain! +1
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 20, 2013, 09:48:14 AM
Doesn't anyone find it wierd that they are bringing back {Capashen knight}? what plane are the Capashen's from? what plane are slivers from? I think we are returning to Dominiria soon
Slivers aren't from Dominaria. I would like to see a return to that plane though.
Is that a new profile pic, mikefrompluto?
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on June 20, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 20, 2013, 09:48:14 AM
Doesn't anyone find it wierd that they are bringing back {Capashen knight}? what plane are the Capashen's from? what plane are slivers from? I think we are returning to Dominiria soon
Slivers aren't from Dominaria. I would like to see a return to that plane though.
where are the slivers from than? I thought the time spiral block was a return to Dominiria...wait. how did the slivers arive on Dominiria? well if they aren't native to Dominiria, the Capashen family is
Slivers are from Rath. How they ended up on Dominaria, I have no clue.
Slivers are originally from Rath. They made their first appearance in Tempest block. I believe they got onto Dominaria because of the temporal "worm holes" all over Dominaria.
if slivers are from Rath, one thing that could be done is Phryxan sliver...it could give all slivers infect
Bring back infect? Hell yeah!
what I'm wondering is, what would happen if a planeswalker was infected by Phyrixan oil...or if a Phryxan became a planeswalker
Just look at Karn... Walker corrupted by the Phyrexian oil.
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 20, 2013, 10:47:19 AM
what I'm wondering is, what would happen if a planeswalker was infected by Phyrixan oil...or if a Phryxan became a planeswalker
Happened to Karn. That is why Vesner sacrificed himself to give Karn his spark.
Quote from: Dudecore on June 20, 2013, 10:51:52 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 20, 2013, 10:47:19 AM
what I'm wondering is, what would happen if a planeswalker was infected by Phyrixan oil...or if a Phryxan became a planeswalker
Happened to Karn. That is why Vesner sacrificed himself to give Karn his spark.
forgot about Karn...and actually Karn had a phryxan heart inside of him
I suppose if he hadn't been artificial he would have become a phryxan planeswalker. actually, i can think of something scarier than a Phyrxan planeswalker...a Phryxan planeswalker who was from the simic...
But originally he was just a plane-walking, time traveling golem that could create worlds, no Phyrexian heart. No big deal.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 20, 2013, 10:58:32 AM
But originally he was just a plane-walking, time traveling golem that could create worlds, no Phyrexian heart. No big deal.
He had the heart his entire life. even before he was a planeswalker. it was what aloud him to be a moving golem. The Phyrxan whoes heart it was though was a traitor to the Phyrxans and had died for some reason.
Wasn't he a planeswalker MADE by another and could do all that stuff when he was created? I Might have just misread Karn's stuff.
he wasn't made a planeswalker. he became one when two stones were put inside his heart, i forgot what they were. he was made just a regular golem by Urza
Oh. He still did good things for a while, even with the Ohyrexian in his heart.
{poisonous sliver} is hopefully the closest we'll get to an infect sliver.. Any more would be broken af
Not seeing it... Gives slivers death touch or something?
Quote from: MisterJH on June 20, 2013, 11:13:31 AM
{poisonous sliver} is hopefully the closest we'll get to an infect sliver.. Any more would be broken af
{Virulent Sliver}
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on June 20, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on June 20, 2013, 11:13:31 AM
{poisonous sliver} is hopefully the closest we'll get to an infect sliver.. Any more would be broken af
{Virulent Sliver}
My mistake haha
Karn was created by urza and barrin. His heart was xantcha's heartstone. The two stones placed in him, which became his eyes, where the {Weakstone} and the {Mightstone}. He was also instrumental in the destruction of Yawgmoth.
Garruk was a scrawny lumberjack when he came across a field of spinach. After eating the entire field of spinach he layed down for an afternoon nap. When he awoke he was 4 times his normal size and the beasts of the forest were rightly afraid and became his to command. Ack ack ack ah!
When Gerrard placed Urza's powerstone eyes, the Mightstone and Weakstone, into Karn, the Legacy released a wave of white mana, destroying the Phyrexians and slaying Yawgmoth. While the two humans were killed, the powerstones turned Karn into the first -- and, so far as is known, only -- artificial planeswalker.
Who do you guys think is the strongest planeswalker (not card based story based)
Quote from: Destore117 on June 21, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
Who do you guys think is the strongest planeswalker (not card based story based)
jace.
Nicol Bolas hands down
Quote from: Destore117 on June 21, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
Who do you guys think is the strongest planeswalker (not card based story based)
FBLTHP!
Here's my speculation on te types in the intro packs
Ajinia, {W}{G} (he's from naya)
Garruk {G}{R} (there's a red card in M14 that attacks each turn unless you have a certain green card called "advocate of the beast")
Chandra- {R}{B}
Liliana-{B}{U} she doesn't fit {R}{B}
Also, glimpse the future fits Lilliana's reanimator more than jaces mill
Jace-{U}{W} I think this because of the flier that lowers the cost of fliers, and that the Jace whatever creature is a flyer.
The intros are mono colored
Alright. Well its just speculations
Quote from: Destore117 on June 21, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
Who do you guys think is the strongest planeswalker (not card based story based)
Nicol Bolaas can just squash his foes. He's a dragon.
Karn if since his resparking he's been able to come even close to his original power.
How strong is Karn exactly and well I have to agree with birdbrain Fbthlp is the strongest being in the planes.
Before unsparking destroyed all of the old phyrexians, created mirrodin (as in the entire plane), and helped save the entire multiverse from collapsing. After resparking he has done... Nothing.
Quote from: scarsabrex on June 21, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Before unsparking destroyed all of the old phyrexians, created mirrodin (as in the entire plane), and helped save the entire multiverse from collapsing. After resparking he has done... Nothing.
Yet...
So just him becoming a planeswalker created a whole plane of existence
To be fair though I'll point out that this was back when planeswalkers were almost gods. During this period Nicol Bolas dominated an entire plane himself but was overthrown by one of his generals... A non walker.
Jace seems like he has some of the coolest skills. I mean he can blast people's minds into nothing...ugh...that's literally what happens when I play against any jace walker...oh you know just discard half your deck k? ^-^ oh and I'm gonna draw like 8 cards k?
Quote from: Destore117 on June 22, 2013, 04:14:45 AM
Jace seems like he has some of the coolest skills. I mean he can blast people's minds into nothing...ugh...that's literally what happens when I play against any jace walker...oh you know just discard half your deck k? ^-^ oh and I'm gonna draw like 8 cards k?
Yet jace almost lost his mind battling bolas
Sorin doesn't seem like he does a whole lot lol
Quote from: Destore117 on June 22, 2013, 10:56:43 AM
Sorin doesn't seem like he does a whole lot lol
Except for creating Avacyn and , unknowingly, help release the Eldrazi
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 22, 2013, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on June 22, 2013, 10:56:43 AM
Sorin doesn't seem like he does a whole lot lol
Except for creating Avacyn and , unknowingly, help release the Eldrazi
He also helped imprison the eldrazi as well.
Releasing the eldrazi was the fault of {nissa revane}
Wasn't there a point when Nicol bolas was trying to kill Sorin?
What plane does M14 take place on anyways shandalar again?
I keep thinking there's a spoiler but more lore discussion!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 22, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
I keep thinking there's a spoiler but more lore discussion!
Ditto :(
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 22, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
I keep thinking there's a spoiler but more lore discussion!
Same here.
I keep thinking there's more lore discussion, but just more people saying they think there's more spoilers.
I keep thinking theres more spoilers, but rather i find more people who want to see spoilers crowding the spoilers page with nonspoilere about how theyd like to see spoilers. Therefore i reasoned that the best course of action would be to further add to the posts non-M14 related to disappoit everyone.
...
The new basic land art is cool. They gave us m14 basic land to draft with.
Is it posted somewhere? I love land art actually. :) Shards had some of my favorite forests. Avacyn, Swamps. Zendikar, Islands.. RTR, mountains. Still waiting for a favorite Plains.
I like the land art! I like forests swamps and islands.
So, you know how they always resurrect a mechanic for the core sets? I'm praying for Storm, myself. Storm, or Cascade. But mostly Storm.
I think storm is over.. Hopefully
Spoilers?
New Garruk was spoiled. Doesn't really seem all that constructed playable. {Craterhoof Behemoth} will like him for the couple of months they're together
Spoiled on MTGsalv, but I can't find the source:
{4}{G}{G}
{Garruk, Caller of Beasts}
Starts with 4
+1: look at top 5 of library, put all creatures to your hand and the rest on bottom
-3: put a green creature from your hand onto the field
-7: emblem: whenever you cast a creature, search your library for a creature and put it on the field
---
Does it seem real? Mtgsalv is usually trusty but a while ago they had garruk, primal hunter spoiled, which did not turn out to be correct.
That seems like a sweet deal to me...
That seems so OP. you can auto a {Craterhoof Behemoth}, {Progenitus}, {Godsire}, {Primalcrux}, etc.
Ummm how about the 11 CMC wurm that i can remember atm from RtR block?! Standard would be.. Eeeevil
Yeah -3...throw down a progenitus...garruk is STILL ALIVE.
{Worldspine Wurm} forgot that one. Nice catch.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 24, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
Yeah -3...throw down a progenitus...garruk is STILL ALIVE.
And then prog can BLOCK for garruk until he ultimates. Lmao or you do it again.
Holy crud that's awesome. With some half decent ramp green beats is gonna be ridiculous
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 24, 2013, 04:17:36 PM
Spoiled on MTGsalv, but I can't find the source:
{4}{G}{G}
{Garruk, Caller of Beasts}
Starts with 4
+1: look at top 5 of library, put all creatures to your hand and the rest on bottom
-3: put a green creature from your hand onto the field
-7: emblem: whenever you cast a creature, search your library for a creature and put it on the field
---
Does it seem real? Mtgsalv is usually trusty but a while ago they had garruk, primal hunter spoiled, which did not turn out to be correct.
Spoiled on an announcement by MTV geek. Posted by WoTC on Facebook.
Sweet thanks for the confirmation. Hm I was hoping for a garruk I could use in my dark bant, but I still like this one. He will add a fresh and new component to mono green and other deck types that needed some extra "umph". Not broken, but completely playable! Drawing up to 5 cards as a +1 is great.
Here's the article link for all interested. I want the new art hehehe
http://m.mtv.com/geek/article.rbml?id=2013/06/24/magic-the-gathering-planeswalkers-san-diego-comic-con/&weburl=http%3a%2f%2fgeek-news.mtv.com%2f2013%2f06%2f24%2fmagic-the-gathering-planeswalkers-san-diego-comic-con%2f&alt=http%3a%2f%2fm.mtv.com%2fgeek%2fblog.rbml&cid=300
Run junk and {Obzedat's Aid} the new Garruk ;)
Grisly Salvage that mo fo.
That says Chandra, pyromancer and not chandra, flame bringer so pretty confused.
When will i be able to preorder the garruks? I want like.. 10000
Quote from: MisterJH on June 25, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
When will i be able to preorder the garruks? I want like.. 10000
Me too. He seems like he could have some real potential. Especially with green's mana dorks
Wow my theory is correct.
On rare/mythic rare cards, when art is amazing, the card is usually mediocre.
When the card has bad art it is quite good! :)
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on June 25, 2013, 03:13:48 PM
Wow my theory is correct.
On rare/mythic rare cards, when art is amazing, the card is usually mediocre.
When the card has bad art it is quite good! :)
Voice has amazing art..... Lol
Every rule has an exception ;)
{Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
Quote from: Taysby on June 25, 2013, 05:49:02 PM
jace does look cool, but the art for it is lagging.
the execption is {liliana of the veil}
sexyness
I'm totally in for a launch with the colossal whale promo. That's a pretty legit card IMO
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 25, 2013, 07:14:09 PM
I'm totally in for a launch with the colossal whale promo. That's a pretty legit card IMO
Omg the launch promo is the whale? Love it! That card just makes me happy. It's a giant freaking whale that eats everything FFS. What's not to love?
IM SO CONFUSED. So is the new Chandra named Chandra, Pyromaster or Chandra, Flamebringer. Im seeing both names being used.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on June 25, 2013, 11:54:59 PM
IM SO CONFUSED. So is the new Chandra named Chandra, Pyromaster or Chandra, Flamebringer. Im seeing both names being used.
I like flame bringer. Sounds less stupid lol.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on June 25, 2013, 11:54:59 PM
IM SO CONFUSED. So is the new Chandra named Chandra, Pyromaster or Chandra, Flamebringer. Im seeing both names being used.
Nothing to be confused about. When she gets released, she will have the right name :)
{Darksteel Forge} {Duress} {Millstone} spoiled
Quote from: Kagain123 on June 26, 2013, 08:10:38 AM
{Darksteel Forge} {Duress} {Millstone} spoiled
there bringing back millstone? Hmmmmm...
That Garruk promo from the exclusive Comic Con Magic 2014 collectors set is INSANEEEEE. I wanna get a ticket, fly to San Diego and wait in line for that. Who knows what awesome stuff may be in it? A one of a kind, blacked out Garruk for starters.
New Garruk + {Doubling Season}. Super broken.
They won't reprint doubling season because of planeswalkers. Words from the great MaRo himself.
Still legal in Modern though.
Quote from: bravado883 on June 26, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
{Duress} means probably no {Thoughsieze} I think :(
This is true
Did they give a card count on how many cards in this set
I see an archetype named "Jonah" which centers around the collosal whale emerging
And why is goblin diplomats the only full art card?
Or maybe it will be inspired by Herman Melviles book, or something
Quote from: Rass on June 26, 2013, 06:23:12 PM
Did they give a card count on how many cards in this set
249 cards
It's possible to have both of them, but extremely unlikely because of limited. It would be rather silly to repeat what is conceivably a worse effect ({Thoughtseize}) compared to {Duress}. One has to imagine that the target demo of the core set (new players) really wouldn't understand why {Thoughtseize} was even a rare while they have {Duress} that doesn't hurt them.
New players HATE paying life for anything, they don't understand the point. Eventually they learn the benefits and why life is just another resource you use to reduce your opponent to 0 - {Thoughtseize} seems like it would grade especially low amongst new player market research.
When i started just a while ago i didn't understand the point of shock lands so i traded them all to my friends for guildgates. That was really stupid of me.
{Thoughtseize} has potential in an expert expansion. It doesn't have a thematic name (unlike {Jarad's Orders} which make zero sense outside of the Ravnica context). It doesn't fit into a core set because of the previously stated demographic for those sets. Here's hoping Theros holds its future.
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 26, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
And why is goblin diplomats the only full art card?
It's one of the Game Day (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1262) promos.
I think we will see another planeswalker in the set, and I have a decent feeling its ramaz. Just because since we're following chandra it seems right lol.
Who's ramaz
I believe its chandras old teacher
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on June 27, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
I think we will see another planeswalker in the set, and I have a decent feeling its ramaz. Just because since we're following chandra it seems right lol.
Not necessarily. See: Kiora Atua
Quote from: prayos on June 27, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 26, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
And why is goblin diplomats the only full art card?
It's one of the Game Day (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1262) promos.
so you can only get it on game day?
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 28, 2013, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: prayos on June 27, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 26, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
And why is goblin diplomats the only full art card?
It's one of the Game Day (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1262) promos.
so you can only get it on game day?
Just like any other Game Day promos. Unless you wait till after then you can buy them.
Hive strings is also full art
Quote from: prayos on June 28, 2013, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 28, 2013, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: prayos on June 27, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 26, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
And why is goblin diplomats the only full art card?
It's one of the Game Day (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1262) promos.
so you can only get it on game day?
Just like any other Game Day promos. Unless you wait till after then you can buy them.
is it tourney legal?
{crypt born horror} is playable. Just get some damage through with creatures. Then damage them with a {lightning bolt}. Then drop him. He'll be at least a 3 CMC 4/4. If not a 3 CMC 5/5, even a 6/6 is achievable with this method
And I can see a bunch of ways to use goblin diplomats
Usually against my friend I deal 4-6 damage a turn. And that's not including my burn spells
This is M14 spoilers not bad card discussion. Crypt is not a good card in the current format. Yes he is playable in specific decks that abuse counters or have explosive damage but the fact remains he does not have haste, is a terrible top deck post wrath, and does not splash well with simic which is were mechanically he would fit better.
Quote from: Potticus on June 28, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on June 28, 2013, 02:12:41 PM
Usually against my friend I deal 4-6 damage a turn. And that's not including my burn spells
Playing casual I assume?
no
What about stuff like {war storm surge}? Instead of using him for attack, use him to double the damage you dealt that turn
Edit: than {fling} for triple
Edit: what about the cards that double counters?
Good point. Ill get back on topic. Just like the challenge of finding uses for different cards
How about that {Xathrid Necromancer}?
It has potential in junk aristocrats.
Xathrid is probably the best card spoiled so far. It turns everything that dies into an extra bear in a human deck
What are the methods (in this pack) for stoping silvers? I'm planning on playing them and I wan to know what to watch out for.
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it but I was playing Magic 2014 and {dungrove elder} is in a green deck, what are the chances he'll be in the core set?
Dark prophecy BBB
Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control dies, you lose one life and draw a card
Can't wait to get some {Fiendslayer Paladins} because with These my friends main deck (Rakdos) will be useless
Quote from: Destore117 on June 30, 2013, 01:12:52 AM
Can't wait to get some {Fiendslayer Paladins} because with These my friends main deck (Rakdos) will be useless
Woah! I'll be picking some of those up!
And a better {Fiend Hunter}?? Sick
And {Darksteel Forge}? This is turning out to be a pretty awesome core set...
Here's something for the sliver enthusiasts
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/253
I like the "creatures your opponent controls" clause on Banisher Priest. Keep away from flickering strategies that've been going on for a year +
In honestly starting to warm up to the new sliver cycle.
I now believe, having Sliver being spoiled in all color, that we get a 5-color Sliver Planeswalker now. Probably something that either tutors for them, or does a {Sliver Queen} ability.
Quote from: Dudecore on June 30, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
I now believe, having Sliver being spoiled in all color, that we get a 5-color Sliver Planeswalker now. Probably something that either tutors for them, or does a {Sliver Queen} ability.
what about both? And slivers have a soul?
Are there really going to be no rare lands in this set (aside from {Mutavault})? Theros had better pick up the slack... A {Grove of the Burnwillows} cycle would be nice...
I want my Chandra already.
I like the new black enchantment, but it was reserved for mono black due to mana cost...
How depressing...
And now we have a {Gemhide Sliver} copy.
Thoughts on the new chandra?
Thoughts on the new Chandra?!
Sorry I want peoples opinion. :)
Here's the MaRo article about the new slivers http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/254
i like chandra, sounds like building a home can work, but the 0 ability seems iffy, still gives card advantage though
It would be good with scry.
Yeah, I already plan on using this card with my {Consuming Aberration}
Strionic Resonator
2
Artifact
2, T: Copy target triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A triggered ability uses the words "when," "whenever," or "at.")
Its times cannot be rung by mere physical force. Only magic of great power can start its eldritch resonance.
Illus. Noah Bradley #228/249
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/strionicresonator.html
I think we better start listing off cards that go with this ability. :)
how about elite arcanist?
When Elite Arcanist enters the battlefield, you may exile an instant card from your hand.
{X}, {T}: Copy the exiled card. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. X is the converted mana cost of the exiled card.
i think i can abuse it in an Izzet delver/ talrand deck
That goes good with a good old {Shock} and the {Pyromancer's Guantlet}.
Ok, that Chandra will curve out with that Gauntlet, and deal 3 damage to a player, and creature with her +1...
Well... Kes Ke ****
Elite Archavist is amazing with an untap ability. Do any of you know one from RTR up?
New Chandra isn't bad. All of the abilities are fairly functional, and the +1 is {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage}-ish. 0 ability is solid too.
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/chandrapyromaster.html
Guess they finally found a way to bring pure draw into red. Make the draw temporary
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 01, 2013, 01:12:08 AM
Elite Archavist is amazing with an untap ability. Do any of you know one from RTR up?
Elite Archayist reminds me of a weaker version of {Panoptic Mirror}. Fun with {Time Warp} though. And this one might not be banned in edh.
So I can now play {Boros Charm} in my Simic deck and cast it all day long with {Elite Arcanist}! Sweet!
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 01, 2013, 01:12:08 AM
Elite Archavist is amazing with an untap ability. Do any of you know one from RTR up?
Ugh. Target #1 as soon as it hits, and being a 1/1 makes it easily dealt with. Im still excited to try it out though.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 01, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 01, 2013, 01:12:08 AM
Elite Archavist is amazing with an untap ability. Do any of you know one from RTR up?
Ugh. Target #1 as soon as it hits, and being a 1/1 makes it easily dealt with. Im still excited to try it out though.
I'm going to try to build a bird deck, but i'll try it out too
Chandra not playable... :)
Quote from: Bozo_Law on July 01, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
Chandra not playable... :)
is too. Get her to her ulti, then play brainstorm. Put an "extra turn" card ontop of your library. And enjoy the expression on your opponents face as you automatically take three extra turns. Plus drawing for red? Yes please! And the 1 damage might not seem like a lot, but I know plenty of cards that can take advantage of that, plus it can help you get through your opponents lines
Plus that plus one damage makes sure a creature can't block, and that is great for aggro when a {Boros Rekoner} isn't able to block for the turn.
I actually really like it, except the ultimate can be TERRIBLE.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 01, 2013, 11:34:58 AM
I actually really like it, except the ultimate can be TERRIBLE.
not if your deck has instances or sorceries in it. Think about it...
You start off with 60 cards
Draw 7
That's 53 cards.
On turn 4 you can summon her, your deck will then have 49 cards
Four or five turns later, you can ulti her, your deck will have 44-45 cards
If you only had 4 instances/sorceries left in your deck, that's pretty good chances you'll hit one, and get to copy it three times. And chances are, if you put her in your deck, you'll have probably somewhere around 20.
I'd say it is pretty easy to make her ulti abusable
Chandra, y u so bad?
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 01, 2013, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 01, 2013, 11:34:58 AM
I actually really like it, except the ultimate can be TERRIBLE.
not if your deck has instances or sorceries in it. Think about it...
You start off with 60 cards
Draw 7
That's 53 cards.
On turn 4 you can summon her, your deck will then have 49 cards
Four or five turns later, you can ulti her, your deck will have 44-45 cards
If you only had 4 instances/sorceries left in your deck, that's pretty good chances you'll hit one, and get to copy it three times. And chances are, if you put her in your deck, you'll have probably somewhere around 20.
I'd say it is pretty easy to make her ulti abusable
I thought about it but also, you could and probably would mull away some I'd your best cards.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 01, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 01, 2013, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 01, 2013, 11:34:58 AM
I actually really like it, except the ultimate can be TERRIBLE.
not if your deck has instances or sorceries in it. Think about it...
You start off with 60 cards
Draw 7
That's 53 cards.
On turn 4 you can summon her, your deck will then have 49 cards
Four or five turns later, you can ulti her, your deck will have 44-45 cards
If you only had 4 instances/sorceries left in your deck, that's pretty good chances you'll hit one, and get to copy it three times. And chances are, if you put her in your deck, you'll have probably somewhere around 20.
I'd say it is pretty easy to make her ulti abusable
I thought about it but also, you could and probably would mull away some I'd your best cards.
i guess her ulti is a victory condition than
Also, sometimes you have to make sacrifices in order to win in games. Chess, for example
Make sure you are playing 4 {Lava Axe}'s.
Um. I actually like Chandra. Love the +1. When Innistrad rotates, I may switch my WU weenie to RW.
Quote from: bravado883 on July 01, 2013, 01:07:02 PM
She's going to have to go in some kind of R/x burn deck I'd think. Of the new cards I'm most interested in copying triggered abilities...that card has potential to be seriously abused right now.
i can think of a few other decks than burn to put her in. For example, she works great with {melek, izzet paragon}
There are other cards that could make Chandra good other than Melek
Who has seen Kalohnian hydra? HOLY CRAP.
with all the scavenge and evolve counters stuff out there, he is a BEASTTTTT! He drops, you have to kill him.
He doubles everyone's counters INCLUSIVE! Even though he is detain-able, slap {Alpha Authority} on this sucker and say hello to the new thragtusk.
I like the two hydras together.
They are scary together. This is turning out to be a very good core set. I might be picking up a box of this.
I'm definitly playing in this sets prerelease
Quote from: Dudecore on June 30, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
I now believe, having Sliver being spoiled in all color, that we get a 5-color Sliver Planeswalker now. Probably something that either tutors for them, or does a {Sliver Queen} ability.
Id hope no sliver queen copies. Don't be messin with muh prices
The revelation of the slivers though definitely makes them look daunting, life link, double strike and flying for such low mana
And who liked the new {nightmare} artwork so much better than the last one
I wonder what a sliver + eldarazi deck would look like? After all, there is that sliver that turns slivers into mana dorks
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 01, 2013, 02:41:06 PM
I wonder what a sliver + eldarazi deck would look like? After all, there is that sliver that turns slivers into mana dorks
Not really seeing your point. I get your idea but when you play slivers, you play only slivers. That's it. You don't mix. Bc every subsequent creature you should play should be a sliver to boost your other slivers. I don't see how eldrazi comes into the mix. You can generate mana alot faster in different ways than slivers.
What if there was a way to turn eldarazi into slivers?
{Hivestone}
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 01, 2013, 03:21:33 PM
{Hivestone}
perfect! Now it just needs a little something extra to push it over the top...hmmmmmmmmm
Sliver cycle + conspiracy + quicksilver amulet or {elvish piper}
I could really geek out with mycosynth lattice, passive untaps and reduced abilities cost
Or illusionist braces!
Eldrazi out in no time
What about {conjurer's closet} to flicker emrku, or whatever his name is every turn?
Edit: never mind. Bounce him every turn and recast him every turn
So everyone like the new Chandra?
Still 4cmc and the second ability you still have to pay the cards casting cost if you could even use it to begin with so idk that she will see any more play than any other Chandra so far. I don't think they want an overpowering planeswalker in red where its so fast to begin with.
Quote from: KangaRod on July 01, 2013, 02:19:48 PM
Chandra is not good. Again
Atleast try to back that statement up.
+1 passive damage on an opponent and help to insure more damage getting through.
Lets picture an already top teir deck, USA control. T3 {geist of saint traft}, T4 chandra +1 push traft through and add 1 damage to it.
0 Going back to the USA example T5 attack with traft and watch him get blocked and cast {azorius charm} on it putting it on top of your deck then 0 chandra and put him right back into play after the angel hits them.
-7 eh not super exciting unless you hit {temporal mastery}.
I think it would work grat in limited, and you dont have to pay the mana cost because it is for free or atleast thats how it works with simular cards, acorrding to WOTC the people who make the rules. Lots of people are going to be calling judge at FNMs because of that though
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 01, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
I think it would work grat in limited, and you dont have to pay the mana cost because it is for free or atleast thats how it works with simular cards, acorrding to WOTC the people who make the rules. Lots of people are going to be calling judge at FNMs because of that though
It's not for free... Thats how I read it at first too.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 01, 2013, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 01, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
I think it would work grat in limited, and you dont have to pay the mana cost because it is for free or atleast thats how it works with simular cards, acorrding to WOTC the people who make the rules. Lots of people are going to be calling judge at FNMs because of that though
It's not for free... Thats how I read it at first too.
Then why does {Garruk's Horde} work like that in DOTP 2013
What?? You can cast the card using {garruk's horde}, however you must still pay the casting cost.
I feel Chandra's second ability goes well with {Melek, Izzet Paragon}, let's say you run into a non-instant/sorcery. Use Chandra's ability to get it out, and hopefully run into an instant or sorcery.
And it curves out nicely with Melek too. It also curves out nicely with {Pyromancer's Gauntlet} which was spoiled recently. I mean, I love it when a +1 ability deals 3 damage to a player, AND 3 damage to a creature, AND if that creature survives, it can't block.
Really? I want it in my Americsn Patrol burn/control deck.
Kanga, making a single creature not able to block, can ensure that the creature with {Madcap Skills} can get through. With all the duel lands, It is a lot easier then you think to break out the mana like that.
It feels like a mid game planeswalker to me. I mean, at 3CMC, it might be to early, and your big attackers aren't ready yet, or a far from ready. It fits the 4CMC slot.
It would be nice to have that 3CMC and keep that extra mana open for a shock, but it is a solid T4 card.
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 01, 2013, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 01, 2013, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 01, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
I think it would work grat in limited, and you dont have to pay the mana cost because it is for free or atleast thats how it works with simular cards, acorrding to WOTC the people who make the rules. Lots of people are going to be calling judge at FNMs because of that though
It's not for free... Thats how I read it at first too.
Then why does {Garruk's Horde} work like that in DOTP 2013
Well DOTP is wrong then. In the example you gave ({Garruk's Horde},) it explicitly says "You still pay the spell's cost." If Chandra's 0 ability let you play it for free, it would be worded as "You may play the spell without paying it's mana cost." It just says "You may play it this turn." Remember, Magic is a very literal game. Nothing is based off of assumptions.
Wooing with this hopefully they bring back {Dryad Arbor}.
Chandra feels like a little push towards the finish line in aggressive decks. It is the kind of card that curves out, you don't need four of them. In fact 2-3 works for an aggressive deck. It is a support card, but just because it is a support card, doesn't mean it isn't bad.
It's first ability is support, and it is great support at that. The second is library digging, which fits the aggressive scene. When you activate that ability, you should have the sense to know if it is a good time or not, because the cards you want in mono-red aggressive are mostly 2-3 CMC.
Last ability is the reason you keep 1-2 {Temporal Mastery}s in your deck sometimes. I would use it though, not really a use for it on how the deck is built. However, if you are running {Shock}s, and other burn spells, it can help get past the large gap left. However I don't see there being one seeing as, again, mono-red aggressive deck. It's ultamate I believe is irrelevant. Just like {Jace, Architect of Thought}'s ulti. Irrelevant.
{Door of Destinies} spoiled :) tribal is so going to kick arse this year
Quote from: bravado883 on July 02, 2013, 12:46:45 AM
Dude, I'm so going to play a MBC deck with {Bubbling Cauldron} and {Dark Prophecy}.
This thing goes well with the other two in that combo. :)
Quote from: bravado883 on July 02, 2013, 01:04:40 PM
I literally can't believe how bad WotC is bending control over right now:
Witchstalker 1GG
Creature - Wolf
Hexproof
Whenever an opponent casts a blue or black spell on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Witchstalker.
3/3
This card WILL see constructed play.
This card is actually pretty bad. 2 years ago a 3cmc 3/3 would have been played just because it's good. Now days that isn't enough. The {G}{G} in the cost makes it a costly splash limiting it's potential decks it can see play in. Also a +1/+1 counter doesnt say game over like a certian other card in standard right now. The hexproof is annoying at best but bant hexproof has taught people how to answer this.
{Wolfir Avenger} didn't see any play because of that similar costing. {1}{G}{G} seems to be a death sentence for pushed cards.
Opportunity cost. What are you giving up that slot for? Are you really farseeking for green? If your deck needs farseek then their are most likely other 4cmc spells and colors that would be better in that spot.
I see one true impact from this card. Bant hexproof now has the 3 different hexproof dudes it needed this whole time.
Something being good against Esper is not uncommon. It's 11th in Top 8 frequency according to TCGPlayer.com
For the time being, until rotation - things have to be good against Jund and Junk.
I want things against jund, naya, and junk. Where are my needs?!
Gruul agro might be #1 after rotation, Its getting a lot of awesome cards.
That seacoast drake might be needed by control. It puts up a good defense early on
At worst, its merely a target for a {lightning bolt}. Which means one less lightning bolt later on. At best, it slows down the game
{Door of Destinies}? Wut?
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 03, 2013, 07:45:01 AM
{Door of Destinies}? Wut?
maybe theros has a few tribal cards. Not enough to make it a tribal block, just enough that you could build a tribal deck
{Fiendslayer Paladin} is going to be my new best friend.
I hope all these control hosers means there going to focus heavily on control later. We need some aggro hosers
Quote from: prayos on July 03, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
{Fiendslayer Paladin} is going to be my new best friend.
Amazzzzzzzing!
What's if do?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 03, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
What's if do?
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/fiendslayerpaladin.html
& the art is amazing too! #want
Eh. {Ekroma, Angel of Erath} is better. If yew want standard, {Akroma's Memorial} is still better.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 03, 2013, 09:17:25 PM
Eh. {Ekroma, Angel of Erath} is better. If yew want standard, {Akroma's Memorial} is still better.
Sure, if you want a 7 or 8 drop. We're talking about a three drop.
I still hate that this is all aggro. Why can't we have my damn control.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 03, 2013, 09:56:03 PM
I still hate that this is all aggro. Why can't we have my damn control.
hopefuly there doing all this aggro so we can have some awesome control cards in the future. Do I dare say it...{force of will}? {show and tell}?
{Mana Drain}, {Jace the Mindsculptor}, {Brainstorm}...
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 03, 2013, 10:08:31 PM
{Mana Drain}, {Jace the Mindsculptor}, {Brainstorm}...
Those are all reprinted in M14? Best set ever!!
JtMS? I don't think so.
{Dismiss Into Dreams} seems ok. Less mana, and it would pushed in consturcted so hard for control. I mean {Blessings of Nature} on four creatures an opponent controls and that is a way to deal with {Boros Rekoner}. If only it was less mana...
Even if it was less mana, say 3 (very generous...), it would still be extremely inefficient to use it to kill your opponent's creatures when we have 4-mana boardwipes that get rid of all of your opponent's creatures with one card instead of 2.
Guh all 3 cards spoiled tonight are rares. This set disheartens me. Theros better be very good... (I do like the 3-mana black enchantment though.)
Yes, Theros better be filled with my control cards, and my commanders that I love so much. And yes {Dark Prophcey} is awesome! X3
This comes out July 19th, corrrct?
Lol.
Quote from: Quisequise on July 04, 2013, 03:28:23 AM
This comes out July 19th, corrrct?
13th, if I'm not mistaken.
Aka next Friday! I'm going to miss drafting Dragon's Maze, but this core set does look fun. That's what I thought about m13 though, and it turned out a bit dull after a few weeks. Only time will tell, but I have hope for this core set!
Edit: my apologies, I am mistaken! It is the 19th, you were right all along! I must have thinking of pre-release weekend
Quote from: Potticus on July 04, 2013, 03:57:41 AM
This set seems terrible to me, I agree tht I am disappointed in it. I hope theros is at minimum fun to draft and play sealed! My first GP will be OKC and it's sealed Theros. So i want to buy a box and dass is getting a box so we can practice sealed!
the set is geared towards new players. It's not supposed to be for vets...
On the other hand. Control is getting some decent stuff, and I see a couple new archetypes emerging
Those of you who want control need to remember that there is plenty of control to make a good deck. Control outranks agro mostly in standard right now. I hope for an equal amount of both. They cant make control too overpowered you know.
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 04, 2013, 12:05:57 PM
Those of you who want control need to remember that there is plenty of control to make a good deck. Control outranks agro mostly in standard right now. I hope for an equal amount of both. They cant make control too overpowered you know.
ive said control and aggro need to be equal in a few other threads. However, I haven't seen much {G} control or {G}{R} control. So I think they need to make more control in those colors
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 04, 2013, 12:05:57 PM
Those of you who want control need to remember that there is plenty of control to make a good deck. Control outranks agro mostly in standard right now. I hope for an equal amount of both. They cant make control too overpowered you know.
I have to disagree. Naya Blitz, and Aristocrats is ruling standard right now. ESPER control is up there, but very little of it. Yes control has good cards, but aggro seems to have 5 answers to each good card. And on top of that, beaters that are just there that dominate their spot. I want there to be archetypes again, not tap sideways every turn to attack. White Weenie used to be a thing, so did burn. What happened??
Control decks are all about inevitability now. Keep killing everything until they run out of cards, and eventually win through some preposterous set of circumstances. It leads to boring to pilot decks that require an extremely tight line and perfect play.
Generally there is nothing wrong with playing perfectly, but more often then not makes your chances of winning very swingy - because you cannot afford to make a mistake or miss a land drop.
Ive been enjoying it. When you walk into a match expecting to make lots of decisions and your opponent is expecting to only make 4-8 turns of decisions then you have the upper hand before the match starts.
How long do your round and games go at your Fnm? Ours seem so short that unless you play a deck that can win two games quickly you will walk away with a 1-0-1 or something similar.
Which leads to our meta being full of agro or really fast midrange
30 people, go to time 3/5 rounds.
Yes but how long is 'time' for you?
That was my question
50min in any sanctioned event.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 04, 2013, 05:15:45 PM
50min in any sanctioned event.
Right I need to have a chat to someone, I dunno how long ours are, just seems shorter than normal.
M14 seems like an exiting set to draft. A lot of cool weird cards I see, I like it. Good job to wizards IMO.
When did aggro start running amok like this? And is modern any better?
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 04, 2013, 07:59:27 PM
When did aggro start running amok like this? And is modern any better?
Agro exploded with the ravnica block rotation. Scars of Mirroden went out, RTR came in, and standard was left with Innistrad block (a fast, low cmc block), RTR block (a fast, low cmc block), and m13 (thragtusks. So many thragtusks.)
As for modern, it depends in your definition of agro. Most top-tier modern decks are super fast, capable of winning consistently on turn 5. However, there is much more thought involved to them than "play dudes, turn creatures sideways, done."
Quote from: Gorzo on July 04, 2013, 08:08:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 04, 2013, 07:59:27 PM
When did aggro start running amok like this? And is modern any better?
Agro exploded with the ravnica block rotation. Scars of Mirroden went out, RTR came in, and standard was left with Innistrad block (a fast, low cmc block), RTR block (a fast, low cmc block), and m13 (thragtusks. So many thragtusks.)
As for modern, it depends in your definition of agro. Most top-tier modern decks are super fast, capable of winning consistently on turn 5. However, there is much more thought involved to them than "play dudes, turn creatures sideways, done."
so control in modern has to be fast? And everything above 5CMC is poop?
Control is not aiming to win T5, but its also played by less people so you have more people running aggro sort of things. To play control in modern you have to have a lot of answers or be able to get find your answers when you need them.
Unless youre playing tron with cards like {wurmcoil engine}, {karn liberated}, and eldrazi.
{Urza's Tower}
{Urza's Power Plant}
{Urza's Mine}
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 04, 2013, 09:56:36 PM
Unless youre playing tron with cards like {wurmcoil engine}, {karn liberated}, and eldrazi.
{Urza's Tower}
{Urza's Power Plant}
{Urza's Mine}
anyway to make higher CMC cards playable in that format? Like {mizzum mortars} or something?
Modern has a lot of flexibilty and you never know what you will face. It isnt as opressive as you might think. USA control could easily run mortars.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 04, 2013, 10:07:55 PM
Modern has a lot of flexibilty and you never know what you will face. It isnt as opressive as you might think. USA control could easily run mortars.
ah, good. So just curious. Are there decks that could go on to turn 15 or something like that? Or turn 10?
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 04, 2013, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on July 04, 2013, 10:07:55 PM
Modern has a lot of flexibilty and you never know what you will face. It isnt as opressive as you might think. USA control could easily run mortars.
ah, good. So just curious. Are there decks that could go on to turn 15 or something like that? Or turn 10?
Yeah, I've seen plenty.
Good
No dual lands in M14, as per this article (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/254). I'm kinda bummed about this.
Im excited to see what other lands we get.
M14 hasn't impressed me yet not a lot of good looking cards that's me though but the slivers do look promising I just don't see realy any high value or anything in m14
Quote from: prayos on July 05, 2013, 12:47:31 AM
No dual lands in M14, as per this article (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/254). I'm kinda bummed about this.
It makes me a bit happier, as the mana base wont be too good.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 12:59:07 AM
Im excited to see what other lands we get.
From what I understand, the only lands we're getting are the ones in that article.
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Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 12:59:07 AM
Im excited to see what other lands we get.
From what I understand, the only lands we're getting are the ones in that article.
He says "I'm going to share a few of them right now" after the no-duals-in-M14 reveal, which makes me think there's more.
Quote from: prayos on July 05, 2013, 12:47:31 AM
No dual lands in M14, as per this article (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/254). I'm kinda bummed about this.
hmmm...interesting....
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: prayos on July 05, 2013, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 05, 2013, 12:59:07 AM
Im excited to see what other lands we get.
From what I understand, the only lands we're getting are the ones in that article.
He says "I'm going to share a few of them right now" after the no-duals-in-M14 reveal, which makes me think there's more.
There's the Mutavault, the one he shared, and then a Shimmering Grotto.
Quote from: bravado883 on July 05, 2013, 11:37:48 AM
It is interesting. Now that they've confirmed a dual cycle for Theros especially. I'm still banking of filter lands, but who knows? Maybe they'll be straight up new. Either way, with the majority of the spoilers out now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to mono-black control town. The trifecta of {Voice of Resurgence}, {Witchstalker}, and {Burning Earth} is maybe too much for my Esper deck to overcome. I'm a bit sad...been playing Esper for probably six months. Besides, I've been wanting to {Mutilate} everything for a while now.
i think I know how to deal with the voice...cast the removal on your turn after they cast it. Yes they will get the token, but they will get only one token. I would think control is flexible enough to cast something on its own turn.
By the way, that 2CMC blind obedience-ish card could be just what you need to efficiently do this. And by the way, that card hoses aggro
Imposing sovereign is the name
Although, I also see her hosing control as well. Also slowing things down so combo decks can get there pieces...Boy she's flexible isn't she?
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 11:44:54 AM
i think I know how to deal with the voice...cast the removal on your turn after they cast it. Yes they will get the token, but they will get only one token. I
Funny you mention this. Not a lot of players realize the "at the end of your turn, I'll {Searing Spear} your voice" results in me getting 2 tokens. They only remember the "if {Voice of Resurgence} dies" part of the card.
Just sideboard {rest in peace}. Thats how I beat reanimator, tokens, and aristocrats. {Woodlot crawler} does great at holding voice of in the mean time but it's an early RIP just ends it for those match ups that rely on casting the yard or "dies" to win.
No more dual lands....
Will do, but if no one else in the team takes my token idea then Ill take a break from control till game day.
Do you think we will see the...(don't know what to call them. So ill call them abundance lands) in theros?
A.K.A {grove of the burn willows}
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 03:38:12 PM
Do you think we will see the...(don't know what to call them. So ill call them abundance lands) in theros?
A.K.A {grove of the burn willows}
It's unlikely but I'd love it. It would explain why modern masters didn't reprint it.
I hope magic doesn't pass the point of no retur. With archetypes and stuff...if this goes on for too long it will be a "tap you creatures, win" kind of game and there will be no recovery...no matter how much effort they put into it...
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 05, 2013, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: bravado883 on July 05, 2013, 11:37:48 AM
It is interesting. Now that they've confirmed a dual cycle for Theros especially. I'm still banking of filter lands, but who knows? Maybe they'll be straight up new. Either way, with the majority of the spoilers out now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to mono-black control town. The trifecta of {Voice of Resurgence}, {Witchstalker}, and {Burning Earth} is maybe too much for my Esper deck to overcome. I'm a bit sad...been playing Esper for probably six months. Besides, I've been wanting to {Mutilate} everything for a while now.
i think I know how to deal with the voice...cast the removal on your turn after they cast it. Yes they will get the token, but they will get only one token. I would think control is flexible enough to cast something on its own turn.
By the way, that 2CMC blind obedience-ish card could be just what you need to efficiently do this. And by the way, that card hoses aggro
Or just {Pithing Needle} the {Voice of Resurgence} turn one.
Because voice has no activated abilities? All of it's abilities are triggers which are unaffected by the needle.
The 2 mana blind obedience creature is strictly worse than the real thing. It doesn't even affect artifacts. And no extort. It's only more useful if you NEED a chump blocker bear. But if that's the case, you've got better 2-drops to choose from that can chump block better.
Speaking of M14, who else has claimed their free six-card booster?
Quote from: IntoFire on July 07, 2013, 08:00:51 AM
Speaking of M14, who else has claimed their free six-card booster?
I have! Love the ooze!
Claiming it next friday
Quote from: IntoFire on July 07, 2013, 08:00:51 AM
Speaking of M14, who else has claimed their free six-card booster?
Got my ooze!
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so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
I have playsets of all ten in both arts
Quote from: Malachiracer on July 07, 2013, 08:56:25 PM
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Quote from: prayos on May 08, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
I have playsets of all ten in both arts
Yeah dode. Couldn't tell if magic still had things tap sideways. But whatever
Full set is spoiled.
Where?
Quote from: Dudecore on July 07, 2013, 10:54:21 PM
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Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
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Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq90thOr5lOXCfk3OoyMOoH9MfK7td-qLNggdtDL6BhsF1Nt9Bdg)
lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
I have playsets of all ten in both arts
Yeah dode. Couldn't tell if magic still had things tap sideways. But whatever
What? I thought we had to turn them upside down now! or are we supposed to throw them at our opponent to tap them, and pick them up to untap? Gooby pls
Quote from: Bookmeister on July 08, 2013, 01:25:37 AM
Where?
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2014coreset/cig
And on www.mythicspoiler.com
Yeah this new red card, pretty much screws {U} {W} control
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/mindsparker.html
Quote from: Quisequise on July 08, 2013, 02:08:40 AM
Yeah this new red card, pretty much screws {U} {W} control
http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/mindsparker.html
i think some people at wizards remember when blue was running rampant and are scared it might scare off new players. Meanwhile, green and red are reaching that same level, and it looks like there passing the point of no return. If there going to make that guy, at least make one that hoses red/green aggro too
This ^ coming from a guy who played gruul in dragons maze an likes the color combination
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 04, 2013, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 04, 2013, 12:05:57 PM
Those of you who want control need to remember that there is plenty of control to make a good deck. Control outranks agro mostly in standard right now. I hope for an equal amount of both. They cant make control too overpowered you know.
I have to disagree. Naya Blitz, and Aristocrats is ruling standard right now. ESPER control is up there, but very little of it. Yes control has good cards, but aggro seems to have 5 answers to each good card. And on top of that, beaters that are just there that dominate their spot. I want there to be archetypes again, not tap sideways every turn to attack. White Weenie used to be a thing, so did burn. What happened??
after looking at the core set as a whole, I see promises of archetypes. After all, there are cards supporting archetypes in this core set. Maybe that's the theme of theros, and there dual lands discourage greedy mana bases because they want to make an environment were archetypes can exist again
Regardless of whats in theros, I will still play RG... Have since 96/97
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so far I've only collected 3 of the ten guild gates, anybody have all ten?
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lol, it was a serious question, I havnt bought all the gate crash and return to ravnica packs yet, I was just curious if someone had all of the guild gates. XD honest question, mate.
I have playsets of all ten in both arts
Yeah dode. Couldn't tell if magic still had things tap sideways. But whatever
What? I thought we had to turn them upside down now! or are we supposed to throw them at our opponent to tap them, and pick them up to untap? Gooby pls
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Who esle is pre ordering playsets and / or a booster box
I already ordered a playset of that 3 drop paladin dude. So sweet.
I want
4 awaken the ancient
2 chandras phoenix
4 Goblin diplomats
4 mindsparker
4 scourge of valkas
3 shock
And 4 young pyromancer
I also want 4 burning earth to punish junk esper naya and jund but SCG.com is out of stock
But i might not order them till after i open my pre release packs and my box
Kinda disappointed outside of a few random EDH stuff, a few slivers, ooze and {Mutavault} reprint. Won't preorder anything but I'll be looking for a few cards
What are everyone's thoughts about Elite Arcanist?
I thought it would be amazing with some of the 1 drop spells out there. {Silence} for example. {Savage Summoning} would be another.
Quote from: Wally on July 09, 2013, 12:19:25 AM
What are everyone's thoughts about Elite Arcanist?
I thought it would be amazing with some of the 1 drop spells out there. {Silence} for example. {Savage Summoning} would be another.
I think he's a weaker {Panoptic Mirror}, but it should be fun using him in edh with {Time Warp} and the other powerful spells in that format. In standard I don't see him getting much play, and that's sad. He will be a fun card.
Quote from: Wally on July 09, 2013, 12:19:25 AM
What are everyone's thoughts about Elite Arcanist?
I thought it would be amazing with some of the 1 drop spells out there. {Silence} for example. {Savage Summoning} would be another.
I think it's a bit fragile being a 2/1 creature. But it is {U} so there's bounce effects and counters to protect it. Super sweet if you have two out, one with {negate} to protect them, and another to do whatever else you want to do. Four cards is an awfully big commitment, however.
firstly its only instants, so no time warp. :(
secondly its only a 1/1 so its even weaker.
like you said, its a bit of commitment, but really, in the right deck you will already be running counters and such, so i dont see him being much of a stretch.
what i dont like is that i will need to find a way to give it haste so its actually usable.
also clone is a reprint, so he will sit right in there beside him. :)
Yeah I'm definitely going to try him out in standard. A reuseable counterspell is a good thing. Even if it's only ever used to keep himself on the board, they're still burning up all of their spells trying to get rid of it.
{Quicken} reprint just made it all worth it. .love. yes.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 09, 2013, 01:41:31 AM
{Quicken} reprint just made it all worth it. .love. yes.
{Shock}, {Quicken}, {Worldfire}. Someone must pull this off before Worldfire rotates.
So no duel lands in the core set? Really? Come on.
Quote from: Ragingtiger on July 09, 2013, 08:11:41 AM
So no duel lands in the core set? Really? Come on.
Lol someone's been a little spoiled.
Quote from: Ragingtiger on July 09, 2013, 08:11:41 AM
So no duel lands in the core set? Really? Come on.
youll get your core lands in theros. Don't be spoiled and impatient
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So no duel lands in the core set? Really? Come on.
Lol someone's been a little spoiled.
Well, it is the first time since, what, 4th edition? You come to expect things after nearly 20 years.
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So no duel lands in the core set? Really? Come on.
Lol someone's been a little spoiled.
Well, it is the first time since, what, 4th edition? You come to expect things after nearly 20 years.
the theros duals probably need there to be a laps in dual lands. I'm sure wizards knows what there doing
How can people complain about dual Lands not being in this set?
We have ALL shocklands, ALL colored gates, we still have mana fixers just to name a few, {Mana Bloom}, {Chromatic Lantern}, all keyrunes and cluestones, not mention the melfs available ( {Axebane Guardian} {Zhur-Taa Druid} {Crypt Ghast} {Burning-Tree Emissary} {Gyre Sage} {Deathrite Shaman})
I believe that is more mana fixing then I have ever encountered in one block. AND THERE IS MORE TO COME IN M14 and Theros.
So shut up already and let's continue talking about the other great cards in this core set. This is one of the more complete core sets that we have had.
This is such a good core set.... So many awesome oddities in it.
I really really want to pick up a foil mutavault for my sliver edh deck :D
Quote from: imthelolrus on July 09, 2013, 04:42:16 PM
I really really want to pick up a foil mutavault for my sliver edh deck :D
Lol I want a foil {Mutavault} just to have a foil {Mutavault}!
Love the red anti control cards
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I really really want to pick up a foil mutavault for my sliver edh deck :D
Lol I want a foil {Mutavault} just to have a foil {Mutavault}!
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Quote from: Silent1236 on July 09, 2013, 04:30:22 PM
This is such a good core set.... So many awesome oddities in it.
Soooo much better than M13.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on July 09, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
How can people complain about dual Lands not being in this set?
We have ALL shocklands, ALL colored gates, we still have mana fixers just to name a few, {Mana Bloom}, {Chromatic Lantern}, all keyrunes and cluestones, not mention the melfs available ( {Axebane Guardian} {Zhur-Taa Druid} {Crypt Ghast} {Burning-Tree Emissary} {Gyre Sage} {Deathrite Shaman})
I believe that is more mana fixing then I have ever encountered in one block. AND THERE IS MORE TO COME IN M14 and Theros.
So shut up already and let's continue talking about the other great cards in this core set. This is one of the more complete core sets that we have had.
Not complaining. Just pointing out that if you do something consistent for nearly 20 years, it's a huge shock when you just stop.
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Quote from: Quackmaster5 on July 09, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
How can people complain about dual Lands not being in this set?
We have ALL shocklands, ALL colored gates, we still have mana fixers just to name a few, {Mana Bloom}, {Chromatic Lantern}, all keyrunes and cluestones, not mention the melfs available ( {Axebane Guardian} {Zhur-Taa Druid} {Crypt Ghast} {Burning-Tree Emissary} {Gyre Sage} {Deathrite Shaman})
I believe that is more mana fixing then I have ever encountered in one block. AND THERE IS MORE TO COME IN M14 and Theros.
So shut up already and let's continue talking about the other great cards in this core set. This is one of the more complete core sets that we have had.
Not complaining. Just pointing out that if you do something consistent for nearly 20 years, it's a huge shock when you just stop.
I see your point, but as bravado said, when the M13 lands rotate, we'll immediately get the new lands from Theros.
Exactly. I didn't even put that whole aspect in. The innistrad and core lands won't even rotate Til Theros hits. THAT'S EVEN MORE MANA FIXING!!! Holy crap. I understand they have been consistently putting out some type of land for each core set but honestly, what's gunna happen when RTR rotates. New players will have gotten used to having such resources at their disposal, if they threw in core lands, they are going to throw off those players drastically. I think this is a transition to Theros and a way for WOTC to keep from new players being spoiled and not throw a 180 at them later on.
The best thing for standard right now is rotating mana-fixing. Realistically, most of the "great" cards in Standard are 2 mana. {Voice of Resurgence}, {Obzedat, Ghost Council}, {Burning-Tree Emissary}, even {Ætherling} + evasion.
Removing incredibly powerful mana-fixing is going to open up the format to entirely new archtypes that three color "good stuff" couldn't possibly. Those decks are meant for eternal formats where it become inevitable. Instead were gonna see two-color decks with downsides.
The worst "Delver" ever got, after we all in an uproar was hated out by better cards. The {U}{W} archtype became inconsistent and Delver went away. Jund, Junk, USA and Esper wont go away because they play powerful cards and 66% of the cards printed in the format.
Removing amazing mana-fixing forces you to pick a {Voice of Resurgence} over a {Burning-Tree Emissary}, the decision does not remain a "no-brainer", {Sphinx's Revelation} no longer becomes the most hateable deck because it has to work so much harder to be viable in 2 colors.
I like the lands rotating. So will make multicolored decks a little more difficult to get a good mana base
Honestly if you try it you can run 3 colors with basics if you shuffle good. Definitley 2 colors with ese
Quote from: JustAWalrus on July 10, 2013, 02:27:23 AM
Honestly if you try it you can run 3 colors with basics if you shuffle good. Definitley 2 colors with ese
3 colors SHOULD be difficult to play. Again, 3 colors are covering 66% of the cards essentially, 2 color splash a 3rd should be the most - and that should be an inconsistent deck at best. 2-colors with drawbacks make more interesting gameplay because it has lots of power, but can't play all of the most powerful cards.
Thank you for saying that dudecore. It's exactly what I meant. One of the really fun parts about deck building is deciding what colors are viable and what bombs I'm going to have. With all this mana fixing available, people have no problem pairing a {Voice of Resurgence} and a {Obzedat, Ghost Council}, which would normally be very difficult to pull off. Rotating some mana fixing will lead to more strategic decks and less "tap sideways win" decks.
I think the reprint t of {silence} shows wizards isnt trying to push control out, they just want to give aggro ways to deal with it
Encroaching Wastes! Thank god...a way to deal with {Nephalia Drownyard} and {Kessig Wolf Run}!
Quote from: Tonygrabowski4 on July 10, 2013, 06:22:09 PM
Encroaching Wastes! Thank god...a way to deal with {Nephalia Drownyard} and {Kessig Wolf Run}!
Um, {Ghost Quarter}?
Rise of the Dark realms isn't mythic worthy. Just a worse version of {Grave Betrayal}.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 10, 2013, 08:48:10 PM
Rise of the Dark realms isn't mythic worthy. Just a worse version of {Grave Betrayal}.
All of those mythics are super casual/EDH-oriented and constructed unplayable
Except the walkers... Garruk is OP and Chandra is meh. And, of couse, the white ones. But yeah.
There are a few pushed cards. I think that Theros is the highly touted "Enchantment" block, because if it isn't - I'm frightened at what this meta game will look like post-Innistrad Block.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 10, 2013, 09:00:39 PM
Except the walkers... Garruk is OP and Chandra is meh. And, of couse, the white ones. But yeah.
This is where I disagree. Garruk is meh, while Chandra is pretty good. It isn't JtMS good, but there won't ever be one like that again. It can make a shell not normally seen in standard. It gives pseudo card draw to red players, and when played right, can be someone's bane. Like most planeswalkers. Garruk will not be the bane of anybody, except in EDH. Not standard worthy. Due to, (you guessed it) mana cost.
Think about other amazing cards that were brushed aside as terrible because of a 6CMC
{Sorin Makrov}
{Chandra Ablaze}
{Garruk, Beast Caller}
Wonderful effects, terrible mana cost. If these cost 1-2 less, they would be OP as hell. But they are not, therefore brushed aside for EDH environment. As these cards were designed for.
Many green decks have at least a bit of mana ramp for commonly high CMC. This, he should be easy to get and using any ability, you could dominate, especially using his emblem.
I respectfully disagree. Garruk is green and green can ramp pretty easy. I believe it'll see a lot of play in modern and significant play in standard. Though I do like this Chandra more then the others I believe it pales in comparison to Garruk. I'd much rather pull a Garruk than a Chandra...though I'd be happy with either lol
Garruk could have been better. That cards emblem... By the time you get to it, you're library will not have those big creatures anymore. That plus gets rid of them, thus forcing you to use the second ability. Which is this card's highlight. HOWEVER! modern is known for it's removal, and standard gets some too now. So that big creature you invested those loyalty counter, and time on has been killed. Third ability would be better earlier game when you have those cards in the deck to search for. (Blame the first ability)
A closing message, do you have any idea how fast standard is? Or how fast modern is? Let me say this, when you're hands are tied with a game in modern that somehow stung out long enough for you to get this Garruk out. That Garruk is irrelevant! You would rather play something else because you life total is so low, you need a miracle. Garruk isn't a miracle.
When I say fast modern, decks in that format like to win turn 3-4. Aggro-y decks do at least. Control decks have you so pinned, that they just get rid of that Garruk before it hits the board. Rites gets those big cards out much faster then this can. It is a card that will be thought about, then dropped for better things.
I'm confused...his plus puts creatures in your hand and the rest on the bottom in any order. This helps his second ability. How does his plus get rid of those creatures? Maybe I misunderstood you...it's been a long day.
Edit: ah now I see what you meant. I had to reread. I still believe he will see play due to his first 2 abilities.
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on July 10, 2013, 11:32:46 PM
I'm confused...his plus puts creatures in your hand and the rest on the bottom in any order. This helps his second ability. How does his plus get rid of those creatures? Maybe I misunderstood you...it's been a long day.
It gets rid of creatures from your library, which hurts his THIRD ability :). Which tells you to search your library for a creature, which you just took out.
Regardless, the card gets targeted, the abilities minus are too expensive, so when someone hits it, it is hard to come up out of the 1-2 loyalty hole someone put you in.
I get what your saying. But the way I look at it is...you can drop him use his -3 put out a monster of a creature and he's still alive to draw your opponents attention. I like green and I'd use him for sure, but to each his own. If I played red more I might prefer Chandra.
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on July 10, 2013, 11:39:47 PM
I get what your saying. But the way I look at it is...you can drop him use his -3 put out a monster of a creature and he's still alive to draw your opponents attention. I like green and I'd use him for sure, but to each his own. If I played red more I might prefer Chandra.
I don't play red. But I will now, until rotation. Due to, I like that I get card draw in red :)
I like red don't get me wrong. But whenever I'm deciding on a deck to use and I have my 20+ decks sitting in front of me I never choose my burn decks. Unless its landestro or ping...those are fun just bc I love the look on my friends face when they realize what I'm using. I used to run a land destruction deck with {roiling terrain} as the win con lol. Games took a while but it was interesting. Until my friends wouldn't play it :/
I am playing this in a RUG deck standard now. It is a miracle deck, with {Melek, Izzet Paragon}, {Temporal Mastery} and this Chandra. So now, you see what you exile, and you can dig for cards using Chandra now. Digging for the Miracles.
Flicker, have you forgotten about {remenice}?
There's also a card in gatecrash that shuffled creatures into your library that would go great with the new Garruk
{serene rememberence} was the card
Eh I like {Elixir of Immortality} for this effect better. If I'm playing standard that is. Modern...there's a particular spaghetti monster that I'd throw in instead...actually modern format has numerous cards with that effect so i guess it'd depend on my build.
So this proves Garruk's ulti is playable, you just have to put a little work into it
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 11, 2013, 09:06:39 AM
So this proves Garruk's ulti is playable, you just have to put a little work into it
He's def playable in EDH, maybe even a Modern ramp deck.
Would it be better to buy a box of M14 or Theros? Need some help deciding? I see cards in this set that I want but do I buy a box or a fat pack or two and wait it out for Theros I'm at a crossroads and not sure what to do.
Honestly theros. Reason being is that core sets generally have lower value in the long run.
That and things in core sets generally get printed again so chances are you won't be missin out on much that you can't get somewhere else
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on July 10, 2013, 11:49:45 PM
I like red don't get me wrong. But whenever I'm deciding on a deck to use and I have my 20+ decks sitting in front of me I never choose my burn decks. Unless its landestro or ping...those are fun just bc I love the look on my friends face when they realize what I'm using. I used to run a land destruction deck with {roiling terrain} as the win con lol. Games took a while but it was interesting. Until my friends wouldn't play it :/
Speaking of red decks,I made this red deck which was absolutely brutal! I got in for 310 damage in one turn.
Great googly moogly what turn was that on?
Full set has been spoiled. Unstickied.
Is it in the database?
No
It's in mine
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 12, 2013, 02:54:43 PM
No
It is with the proper database revision.
It pays to pay attention to the Announcements section ;)
As a set I don't see many decks focused around those cards. But they seem like they'd be a few great cards especially for red.
Quote from: Destore117 on July 12, 2013, 08:48:59 PM
As a set I don't see many decks focused around those cards. But they seem like they'd be a few great cards especially for red.
I'm fairly new but I think most core sets are this way. Correct me if I'm wrong.