What are you hoping theros will do for them game? For me. I hope the take a chance to balance out the meta. Aggro is king, and while aggro decks are ok, it makes it harder for control players to play control. It is just no fun facing aggro deck after aggro deck.
So, I hope the first set in theros focuses on upping controls utility belt and gives a few things that hose aggro decks. Not a lot though, because we don't want to off balance things towards controls favor, just put it on an equal ground
Next set, I hope they cater to specific archetypes that do well against control, and others that do well against aggro. (With emphasis on the latter) While throwing in some tools for combo players to use. And hopefully find new tools for each color to use. Maybe that push them in a direction they didnt normally go (green and red towards control while blue and black towards aggro)
Then in the last set of the block, I'm hoping they cater to each archetype equally and are careful about how they handle each archetype, not letting one be more dominant then the other
What are your guys thoughts on the subject?
A suitable replacement for {unburial rites} and some decent reanimating targets. RtR block let me down in that department.
I'm hoping we can get those original dualies and a reprint of black lotus would be nice...
Theros, it makes me think of gods, underworld, and all of that fun stuff. I think in the first set, the aggro control thing will be balanced out, since it is the first set of a new plane. Next set, born of the gods, will be an aggro kinda set. There will be a little more aggro but there will still be a bunch of control. Third and final set, journey into nix, will be a control set, like how born of the gods is kinda aggro.
What made me get to these conclusions was that you can't start off a set with more control, then people would think that "oh that stinks, this block is going to be a control block, boo" so they would wanna balance the playstyle out when it comes out. The second set's bame just reminds me of power, anger, rage, so tht would be more of an aggro playstyle, but it will still have a bunch of control cards too. The third and final set just makes me think, hmmm a journey, It sounds like control. It just does lol. So the third set will have more of a control playstyle with a bunch if aggro cards still.
Second Guess: i think that all three will be balanced between aggro and control.
Theros: you can never start off with a aggro playstyle or control playstyle to a new plane. It just doesnt make it do good imo.
Born Of The Gods: What gods? Control ones, aggro ones, or even reanimator ones. It will see balance because there are many different gods and types of gods.
Journey Into Nix: I can see battles between the gods on the way to nix. I see the control gods, aggro gods, etc. having it as a balanced set will be a great way to finish a block.
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on April 28, 2013, 02:40:23 PM
Theros, it makes me think of gods, underworld, and all of that fun stuff. I think in the first set, the aggro control thing will be balanced out, since it is the first set of a new plane. Next set, born of the gods, will be an aggro kinda set. There will be a little more aggro but there will still be a bunch of control. Third and final set, journey into nix, will be a control set, like how born of the gods is kinda aggro.
What made me get to these conclusions was that you can't start off a set with more control, then people would think that "oh that stinks, this block is going to be a control block, boo" so they would wanna balance the playstyle out when it comes out. The second set's bame just reminds me of power, anger, rage, so tht would be more of an aggro playstyle, but it will still have a bunch of control cards too. The third and final set just makes me think, hmmm a journey, It sounds like control. It just does lol. So the third set will have more of a control playstyle with a bunch if aggro cards still.
Second Guess: i think that all three will be balanced between aggro and control.
Theros: you can never start off with a aggro playstyle or control playstyle to a new plane. It just doesnt make it do good imo.
Born Of The Gods: What gods? Control ones, aggro ones, or even reanimator ones. It will see balance because there are many different gods and types of gods.
Journey Into Nix: I can see battles between the gods on the way to nix. I see the control gods, aggro gods, etc. having it as a balanced set will be a great way to finish a block.
Do you think journey into nix will bring back quests???
Quote from: Iandtormentor on April 28, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on April 28, 2013, 02:40:23 PM
Theros, it makes me think of gods, underworld, and all of that fun stuff. I think in the first set, the aggro control thing will be balanced out, since it is the first set of a new plane. Next set, born of the gods, will be an aggro kinda set. There will be a little more aggro but there will still be a bunch of control. Third and final set, journey into nix, will be a control set, like how born of the gods is kinda aggro.
What made me get to these conclusions was that you can't start off a set with more control, then people would think that "oh that stinks, this block is going to be a control block, boo" so they would wanna balance the playstyle out when it comes out. The second set's bame just reminds me of power, anger, rage, so tht would be more of an aggro playstyle, but it will still have a bunch of control cards too. The third and final set just makes me think, hmmm a journey, It sounds like control. It just does lol. So the third set will have more of a control playstyle with a bunch if aggro cards still.
Second Guess: i think that all three will be balanced between aggro and control.
Theros: you can never start off with a aggro playstyle or control playstyle to a new plane. It just doesnt make it do good imo.
Born Of The Gods: What gods? Control ones, aggro ones, or even reanimator ones. It will see balance because there are many different gods and types of gods.
Journey Into Nix: I can see battles between the gods on the way to nix. I see the control gods, aggro gods, etc. having it as a balanced set will be a great way to finish a block.
Do you think journey into nix will bring back quests???
Yes i do, even though MaRo said that will most likely not happen, it just sounds right to me
{Ponder}. Think Standard is ready for it again.
Quote from: Dudecore on April 28, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
{Ponder}. Think Standard is ready for it again.
If only delver could stay standard for ever... :'(
My hope is for some decent legendaries, and honestly a decrease in power level. When I say that I obviously mean creatures, I'm looking at you {Thragtusk}, {Loxodon Smiter}, {Deadbridge Goliath}, {Thundermaw Hellkite}, etc. We place drawbacks on sorcerys and instants that are normally too powerful, most of the time an increased mana cost, while creatures keep creeping to keep people going "whoah!". They need to get the reins back on the power of creatures or it's going to get (even more) out of control. However with these sets focusing on gods and mythology I have little hope in seeing that decrease.
They would need to either bring the power level down gradually, or make cards that punish people for playing high powered creatures. I'm looking at you {essence backlash}
My hopes for theros: attend prerelease
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
They would need to either bring the power level down gradually, or make cards that punish people for playing high powered creatures. I'm looking at you {essence backlash}
I agree, it can't be just one set but I can't see how they will do it. Either they cool it down on etb effects and then decrease power levels, then swapping back the etb effects in, or they make something that punishes heavy creature play like you mentioned. I like {Essence Backlash} but at current speed of games it needs a more freindly cost. Either way I know they are afraid of the possible anger it would cause in new players and that's what they are after right now.
{R}{1}
Deal X damage to target player were X is the creature with the greatest power that player controls.
Something like that? I think they could still appeal to new players. Maybe if they made cards that rewarded aggro decks along with cards that punished aggro decks. Like maybe cards that had effects every time they played a creature? Just like they have cards that have effects every time an instant or sorcery is played
That could be a really great sideboard card, it would work well for aggro and combat trick decks, but I'd add a red
Ok, so if it is gods, underworld, overworld, etc...
So this block could be based off Greek mythology.
Underworld would be manipulations, maybe a {B} legendary, or even a {B}{U}.
Overworld (earth) would have... A {G} legendary probably.
Olympus would have a {W}{R} legendary.
Those are my thoughts.
But do you think that printing cards that reward aggro decks along with cards that punish aggro decks would be a good way to go about things? They could do that, and subtly begin to decrease the power level as they go in a different direction with aggro that will still appeal to new players
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Ok, so if it is gods, underworld, overworld, etc...
So this block could be based off Greek mythology.
Underworld would be manipulations, maybe a {B} legendary, or even a {B}{U}.
Overworld (earth) would have... A {G} legendary probably.
Olympus would have a {W}{R} legendary.
Those are my thoughts.
if you ask me. Zeus was extremely self indulgent, and has more of a {W}{B} feel to him
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Ok, so if it is gods, underworld, overworld, etc...
So this block could be based off Greek mythology.
Underworld would be manipulations, maybe a {B} legendary, or even a {B}{U}.
Overworld (earth) would have... A {G} legendary probably.
Olympus would have a {W}{R} legendary.
Those are my thoughts.
if you ask me. Zeus was extremely self indulgent, and has more of a {W}{B} feel to him
{W}{R} fits him alittle better than {W}{B}
Quote from: Iandtormentor on April 28, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Ok, so if it is gods, underworld, overworld, etc...
So this block could be based off Greek mythology.
Underworld would be manipulations, maybe a {B} legendary, or even a {B}{U}.
Overworld (earth) would have... A {G} legendary probably.
Olympus would have a {W}{R} legendary.
Those are my thoughts.
if you ask me. Zeus was extremely self indulgent, and has more of a {W}{B} feel to him
{W}{R} fits him alittle better than {W}{B}
how about {W}{R}{R}?
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on April 28, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Ok, so if it is gods, underworld, overworld, etc...
So this block could be based off Greek mythology.
Underworld would be manipulations, maybe a {B} legendary, or even a {B}{U}.
Overworld (earth) would have... A {G} legendary probably.
Olympus would have a {W}{R} legendary.
Those are my thoughts.
if you ask me. Zeus was extremely self indulgent, and has more of a {W}{B} feel to him
{W}{R} fits him alittle better than {W}{B}
how about {W}{R}{R}?
{W}{W}{R}{R}? I think he should have at least as much white in him as red.
Ok. That seems about right. Anyway, what do you think of my compromise at the top of the page?
I know they just printed it, but we need answers for {Voice of Rusergence}. Maybe skmething like
Banisher Shaman {1}{G}
Creature- Elf Shaman
If a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn would die, exile it instead.
2/1
Quote from: Iandtormentor on April 28, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Ok, so if it is gods, underworld, overworld, etc...
So this block could be based off Greek mythology.
Underworld would be manipulations, maybe a {B} legendary, or even a {B}{U}.
Overworld (earth) would have... A {G} legendary probably.
Olympus would have a {W}{R} legendary.
Those are my thoughts.
if you ask me. Zeus was extremely self indulgent, and has more of a {W}{B} feel to him
{W}{R} fits him alittle better than {W}{B}
Why not meet in the middle and say {W}{R}{B}?
Quote from: izik99 on April 28, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
I know they just printed it, but we need answers for {Voice of Rusergence}. Maybe skmething like
Banisher Shaman {1}{G}
Creature- Elf Shaman
If a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn would die, exile it instead.
2/1
I love this card. Could do so much in standard right now.
Quote from: Iandtormentor on April 28, 2013, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: izik99 on April 28, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
I know they just printed it, but we need answers for {Voice of Rusergence}. Maybe skmething like
Banisher Shaman {1}{G}
Creature- Elf Shaman
If a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn would die, exile it instead.
2/1
I love this card. Could do so much in standard right now.
feels more {W} or {U} though sense {G} has never had access to exiling stuff
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
Ok. That seems about right. Anyway, what do you think of my compromise at the top of the page?
I think it's a good idea but...does Agro really need more????
Quote from: Iandtormentor on April 28, 2013, 06:49:18 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
Ok. That seems about right. Anyway, what do you think of my compromise at the top of the page?
I think it's a good idea but...does Agro really need more????
they would do this while decreasing the power level of the creatures, and throwing out cards that punish the other players based on the power level of there creatures. So its more like plus one, minus two
That would cause the set the cards to be introduced in to be balanced, and would give control players in modern a leg to stand on, while not nerfing aggro. Meaning both strategies would be viable, and control would be on the rise in the meta
I see. Yes I hope they do that or something similar.
Since I rarely buy cards anymore, I don't really have hopes for it (other than the possibility it will get me back into the game), but I do have an expectation. Titans! I'd be pretty surprised to see a Greek themed set without some sort of Titan card(s).
Though the cards that punish aggro would have to be themselves aggressively costed to keep up with them. Although I think slightly above the curve would work just fine
Quote from: Keyeto on April 28, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
Since I rarely buy cards anymore, I don't really have hopes for it (other than the possibility it will get me back into the game), but I do have an expectation. Titans! I'd be pretty surprised to see a Greek themed set without some sort of Titan card(s).
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TITANS!!!!
If only {isperea, supreme judge} was like 4 or even 5 CMC she would be a bomb against aggro :/
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 07:15:18 PM
If only {isperea, supreme judge} was like 4 or even 5 CMC she would be a bomb against aggro :/
Yes, but they decided that would happen.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 07:15:18 PM
If only {isperea, supreme judge} was like 4 or even 5 CMC she would be a bomb against aggro :/
Yes, but they decided that would happen.
they could have lowered the cost by one, and lowered her power by 2 or something. It seems there giving the shaft to control players. It's like it's, go aggro or go home. I'm not saying they should get rid of aggro, just that they should at least give control a chance against it. This coming from someone who is currently running the two most aggressive colors. Ok, I'm done with my rants for now
I am calling it now. Onslaught Fetch reprints. I hear from a reliable source that MaRo said they are not including duals in the next core set. With the enemy checks rotating and a lack of checks in the core set, we could see a reprint of Onslaught fetches. That would lower the price for Legacy, give Standard a few more duals, and help fix the Mana and accessibility of fetches for Modern. Or maybe they wont just because that would be too cool. I can hope right?
Quote from: Death Gaara on April 28, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
I am calling it now. Onslaught Fetch reprints. I hear from a reliable source that MaRo said they are not including duals in the next core set. With the enemy checks rotating and a lack of checks in the core set, we could see a reprint of Onslaught fetches. That would lower the price for Legacy, give Standard a few more duals, and help fix the Mana and accessibility of fetches for Modern. Or maybe they wont just because that would be too cool. I can hope right?
What are some of the onslaught fetch lands?
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 28, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Death Gaara on April 28, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
I am calling it now. Onslaught Fetch reprints. I hear from a reliable source that MaRo said they are not including duals in the next core set. With the enemy checks rotating and a lack of checks in the core set, we could see a reprint of Onslaught fetches. That would lower the price for Legacy, give Standard a few more duals, and help fix the Mana and accessibility of fetches for Modern. Or maybe they wont just because that would be too cool. I can hope right?
What are some of the onslaught fetch lands?
The allied fetch lands. {Polluted Delta} and {Wooded Foothills} are two examples.
Cool! :)
One last thing. I just remembered, R&D has complete control over cards. If the veto one, no questions asked, its back to the drawing board
I think mono-coloured stresses. We have so much multicoloured/hybrid cards in RtR and I know that Wizards doesn't like two consecutive sets being so similar. It will be an interesting set, to say the least, considering the last real-mythology based set was Kamigawa, and we all know how much people hated playing that set!
They hated it because R&D nerfed it to heck and vetoed all the good cards I think
I LUVED KWAVMICA!!!
I just want it to be better than the RtR block :-\
Only a few cards will live through rotation, and the block royally screwed standard. But, that's another discussion that has been stressed already. I'd love to see some Onslaught fetches! I wasn't playing then, so I don't have any and I really don't want to shell out the money for 'em. I'd love to be able to pull them in a standard booster.
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 28, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
I just want it to be better than the RtR block :-\
Only a few cards will live through rotation, and the block royally screwed standard. But, that's another discussion that has been stressed already. I'd love to see some Onslaught fetches! I wasn't playing then, so I don't have any and I really don't want to shell out the money for 'em. I'd love to be able to pull them in a standard booster.
I feel you.
I really hope we get another powerful block like that of Innistrad. Something that really lives up to the title of "Mythic" would be exciting.
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 04:07:25 AM
I can't believe some of the things Im hearing in this thread.
Aggro ruling the world, and RTR being a bad block? What the hell are you guys smoking.
I could actually see them doing the on-colour fetches. I called that a while ago. I don't think there will be duals in M14 actually.
I think the comments pertaining to RTR are really referring to the fact that Innistrad was so strong. It's block contained cards that were good in standard and could live on to be useful in other formats.
RTR was OK, but I was left wanting compared to the afore mentioned block.
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 04:40:07 AM
Ok here we go
{Deathrite Shaman}, {Abrupt Decay}, {Skullcrack}, {Experiment One}, {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Rest in Peace}, {Supreme Verdict}, {Izzet Staticaster}, {Slaughter Games}, the charms and the shocks....
I'm not sure how many more eternally playable cards you want... And those are just from the top of my head.
Avacyn:
{Avacyn, Angel of Hope} {Bonfire of the Damned} {Cavern of Souls} {Craterhoof Behemoth} {Entreat the Angels} {Exquisite blood} {Gisela Blade of Goldnight} {Griselbrand} {Sigarda Host of Herons} {Silverblade Paladin} {Reforge the Soul} {Restoration Angel} {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} {Temporal Mastery} {Terminus} {Vexing Devil}
Innistrad:
{Blasphemous Act} {Champion of the Parish} {Geist of Saint Traft} {Liliana of the Veil} {Nevermore} {Snapcaster Mage} {Stromkirk Noble}
Dark Ascension:
{Counterlash} {Falkenrath Aristocrat} {Geralf's Messenger} {Gravecrawler} {Hellrider} {Huntmaster of the Fells} {Increasing Ambition} {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
This is not including any of the common or uncommon cards in these sets that are powerful, or any of the dual or utility lands.
There just seems to be more "value" in the packs of the Innistrad block. I mean take away the "Shocks" and you have a rather week expansion block with the exception of the cards you named and perhaps a few of the incoming from DGM.
Quote from: Birdbrain on April 28, 2013, 09:48:32 PM
They hated it because R&D nerfed it to heck and vetoed all the good cards I think
Not quite. The set itself was very flavourful, but the cards didn't actually play well in limited or constructed environments.
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 04:07:25 AM
I can't believe some of the things Im hearing in this thread.
Aggro ruling the world, and RTR being a bad block? What the hell are you guys smoking.
I could actually see them doing the on-colour fetches. I called that a while ago. I don't think there will be duals in M14 actually.
i didn't intend to complain when I made this thread. I was just curious about people's expectations for the block
It'd be nice for them to do fetchlands in M14 and Theros, that way it will be harder to play 3 colors without access to Taplands, while not being impossible. Slows games down though, all that shuffling.
Don't think they will, new players hate paying life. It's been proven time and time again. Doubt they'd see the value of a {Flooded Strand}.
And then the new players realize its ok to sacrifice a life point here or there, and can even be benifital in certain situations. Although than more new players get into the game and it cancels out all those epiphanies...
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 04:40:07 AM
Ok here we go
{Deathrite Shaman}, {Abrupt Decay}, {Skullcrack}, {Experiment One}, {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Rest in Peace}, {Supreme Verdict}, {Izzet Staticaster}, {Slaughter Games}, the charms and the shocks....
I'm not sure how many more eternally playable cards you want... And those are just from the top of my head.
6 of the 9 cards mentioned are aggro-boosting cards. Possibly even 7, if you count RIP for anti aggro in an aggro.
You made it sound like you didn't think aggro was reigning in standard, but 2/3 of the cards you listed were aggro.
I loved delver, but everything was a mistake with that deck MaRo said. Then {Thragtusk} got the green light. I think that aggro is being pushed, especially naya blitz, and dark naya. I wish that threos would help with control, but I personally think it will boost on reanimator, which I still believe is a form of aggro. It will also push burn I think, but I'm not sure about that.
Ninja Jesus!
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Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on April 29, 2013, 07:08:30 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 04:40:07 AM
Ok here we go
{Deathrite Shaman}, {Abrupt Decay}, {Skullcrack}, {Experiment One}, {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Rest in Peace}, {Supreme Verdict}, {Izzet Staticaster}, {Slaughter Games}, the charms and the shocks....
I'm not sure how many more eternally playable cards you want... And those are just from the top of my head.
Avacyn:
{Avacyn, Angel of Hope} {Bonfire of the Damned} {Cavern of Souls} {Craterhoof Behemoth} {Entreat the Angels} {Exquisite blood} {Gisela Blade of Goldnight} {Griselbrand} {Sigarda Host of Herons} {Silverblade Paladin} {Reforge the Soul} {Restoration Angel} {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} {Temporal Mastery} {Terminus} {Vexing Devil}
Innistrad:
{Blasphemous Act} {Champion of the Parish} {Geist of Saint Traft} {Liliana of the Veil} {Nevermore} {Snapcaster Mage} {Stromkirk Noble}
Dark Ascension:
{Counterlash} {Falkenrath Aristocrat} {Geralf's Messenger} {Gravecrawler} {Hellrider} {Huntmaster of the Fells} {Increasing Ambition} {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
This is not including any of the common or uncommon cards in these sets that are powerful, or any of the dual or utility lands.
There just seems to be more "value" in the packs of the Innistrad block. I mean take away the "Shocks" and you have a rather week expansion block with the exception of the cards you named and perhaps a few of the incoming from DGM.
Dude I was listing cards that are playable in modern.
And a lot of the cards you listed aren't even standard staples.
There is no doubt there is a lot of good cards in Innistrad, but there is just as many in Ravnica.
Yes but I was also eluding to value, meaning money cards. That coupled with longevity is what I assume most players want when purchasing boosters. Take a look at overall value of the two blocks and right now there is no real comparison. I will say it again, I think the shock lands completely save this block.
If you had the choice of purchasing a box which would you choose? I would choose both Avacyn and Innistrad over any of the RTR sets.
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on April 29, 2013, 07:23:27 PM
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on April 29, 2013, 07:08:30 AM
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 04:40:07 AM
Ok here we go
{Deathrite Shaman}, {Abrupt Decay}, {Skullcrack}, {Experiment One}, {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Rest in Peace}, {Supreme Verdict}, {Izzet Staticaster}, {Slaughter Games}, the charms and the shocks....
I'm not sure how many more eternally playable cards you want... And those are just from the top of my head.
Avacyn:
{Avacyn, Angel of Hope} {Bonfire of the Damned} {Cavern of Souls} {Craterhoof Behemoth} {Entreat the Angels} {Exquisite blood} {Gisela Blade of Goldnight} {Griselbrand} {Sigarda Host of Herons} {Silverblade Paladin} {Reforge the Soul} {Restoration Angel} {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} {Temporal Mastery} {Terminus} {Vexing Devil}
Innistrad:
{Blasphemous Act} {Champion of the Parish} {Geist of Saint Traft} {Liliana of the Veil} {Nevermore} {Snapcaster Mage} {Stromkirk Noble}
Dark Ascension:
{Counterlash} {Falkenrath Aristocrat} {Geralf's Messenger} {Gravecrawler} {Hellrider} {Huntmaster of the Fells} {Increasing Ambition} {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
This is not including any of the common or uncommon cards in these sets that are powerful, or any of the dual or utility lands.
There just seems to be more "value" in the packs of the Innistrad block. I mean take away the "Shocks" and you have a rather week expansion block with the exception of the cards you named and perhaps a few of the incoming from DGM.
Dude I was listing cards that are playable in modern.
And a lot of the cards you listed aren't even standard staples.
There is no doubt there is a lot of good cards in Innistrad, but there is just as many in Ravnica.
Yes but I was also eluding to value, meaning money cards. That coupled with longevity is what I assume most players want when purchasing boosters. Take a look at overall value of the two blocks and right now there is no real comparison. I will say it again, I think the shock lands completely save this block.
If you had the choice of purchasing a box which would you choose? I would choose both Avacyn and Innistrad over any of the RTR sets.
I'd pick innistrad as well. {Snapcaster Mage} and {Liliana of the Veil} are both very expensive, and they're still in standard! They are printed in one set each. The shock lands have been printed once already, and are also available in DGM packs. Not to mention, most legacy decks aren't running the shocks, favouring the original duals unless there is a real budget constraint. Innistrad has more value in the long run than RtR, IMO.
Quote from: KangaRod on April 29, 2013, 09:39:17 PM
Are we discussing monitory value or quality of cards? The reason that a lot of the RTR cards are not worth as much is because of how much they were opened and how new they are.
I'm discussing monetary. You hit the nail on the head there: it's due to how much they're opened.
I believe anywhere between 4-6x as much RtR product was printed and opened compared to Innistrad. It is still ridiculous prices on things. Monetarily they've got to be about even, with Innistrad staples being worth more in several months - because were furthest from it - but not as much as one would believe.
Guys, great topic to discuss, but isn't this for hopes and dreams for Theros? Maybe make a new thread?
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 29, 2013, 06:06:11 PM
Ninja Jesus!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/1196_yacnx0t9jc.jpg)
Ok +1 :D
Anyway, does anybody notice that at the bottom of his robe, it looks like a galaxy?
Just a thought.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 30, 2013, 08:54:36 PM
Quote from: Bozo_Law on April 29, 2013, 06:06:11 PM
Ninja Jesus!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/1196_yacnx0t9jc.jpg)
Ok +1 :D
Anyway, does anybody notice that at the bottom of his robe, it looks like a galaxy?
Just a thought.
{Celestial Mantle} reprint? I don't think so, but people at my LGS are quite convinced!
Me thinks its a new ledgendary creature
I doubt it, most likely a god, after all look how huge he is. You can make a logical assumption on his size due to the trees underneath him...
So you think they will make gods like normal creatures?