Hello, I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the most durable and reliable sleeves for play were. Cost isn't a factor.
Personally, I feel that the Ultra-Pro sleeves are best. The Wizards advertise them, and they never failed me. All my mates use the same kind of sleeves as well.
Partial to Dragon Shields.
Maybe I had not luck but sometimes Ultra-Pro does not work for me. Quite often I have one or two sleeves with damaged side in the pack or it tears during first shuffling... I do buy only single color mattes... I will have to change to Dragon Shields...
I use a wide variety since I have too many deck, my fav are ultra pro I believe, they are generally a solid color and pretty plain, they side shuffle super nice and easy. I would have to advise against the mtg ones with the art on the back, they stick together and shuffle like crap
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on March 22, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
Partial to Dragon Shields.
Same. As far as durability is concerned, dragon shields are pretty indestructible. They show dirt as time goes on, but that's better than breaking.
Quote from: Gorzo on March 22, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on March 22, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
Partial to Dragon Shields.
Same. As far as durability is concerned, dragon shields are pretty indestructible. They show dirt as time goes on, but that's better than breaking.
My problem with them is how quickly their colour flakes/fades. I prefer Remove From Game's Perfect Fit sleeves. They only come in a few colours, but they have:
-Rounded edges (no corners to worry about bending!)
-durable threading(almost impossible to break them from shuffling!)
-Durable colour.
They are thicker than most sleeves, but they don't attract dirt and are very durable!
I suggest them. I have switched permanently to them.
I like Dragon shields and player's choice sleeves. Ultra pros seen to break easily for me
I have never seen a dragon shield fade in the year I have been using them. I have bought 3 sets of them and have barely even touched one of the sets cause the other two are still going strong and I play every fnm and most if not all other events. I even use those same dragon shields for the prerelease drafts which I attend 4-6 events at different stores during that time. I havent found a better sleeve.
Cons to them would be you have to actualy know how to shuffle effectively since they can develope a slight cling that will stick cards together if you are not a proficient shuffler. Also I have a small callus on my thumb from how often I shuffle since most all my decks do involve at least some search effects.
Quote from: Xaol on March 22, 2013, 06:00:47 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on March 22, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on March 22, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
Partial to Dragon Shields.
Same. As far as durability is concerned, dragon shields are pretty indestructible. They show dirt as time goes on, but that's better than breaking.
My problem with them is how quickly their colour flakes/fades. I prefer Remove From Game's Perfect Fit sleeves. They only come in a few colours, but they have:
-Rounded edges (no corners to worry about bending!)
-durable threading(almost impossible to break them from shuffling!)
-Durable colour.
They are thicker than most sleeves, but they don't attract dirt and are very durable!
I suggest them. I have switched permanently to them.
Rounded corners? This interests me more than it should lol
Quote from: Hays413 on March 22, 2013, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: Xaol on March 22, 2013, 06:00:47 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on March 22, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
Quote from: Stoneco1d869 on March 22, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
Partial to Dragon Shields.
Same. As far as durability is concerned, dragon shields are pretty indestructible. They show dirt as time goes on, but that's better than breaking.
My problem with them is how quickly their colour flakes/fades. I prefer Remove From Game's Perfect Fit sleeves. They only come in a few colours, but they have:
-Rounded edges (no corners to worry about bending!)
-durable threading(almost impossible to break them from shuffling!)
-Durable colour.
They are thicker than most sleeves, but they don't attract dirt and are very durable!
I suggest them. I have switched permanently to them.
Rounded corners? This interests me more than it should lol
Yup! They are awesome. Hugs the card really well too.
The dragon shields are bar none the strongest sleeve around. They pick up dirt easily, don't display foils that well, and they're all cut unevenly. The white, purple and grey don't seem to have the same problem. I sleeved my cube in black, and then pulled them off - it looked horrible. I've got my legacy deck sleeved in blue, they look dirty but those sleeves are ridiculously durable.
I recently switched to the KMC Matte - they're durable as all hell, and have none of the problems Dragon Shields do. They just don't make enough colors, they come in packs of 80, and trying to put a KMC perfect fit into one is an unimaginable feat.
Dragon shields all the way. My KMCs have a nicer feel, but they're bending way too much when I shuffle and they seem close to breaking. My dragon shields have remained immaculate since I bought them :)
I asked the same thing before. It was 70% dragon shield 30% ultra pro. I still have to find a place to buy a bunch for cheap
I personally use Dragonshields because they are really amazing and do not break unless it is intentional. At least none of mine have for about 2 years.
Ultra pro are junk as far as I'm concerned. In another thread I mentioned how I had 3 rip on a side shuffle. It dinged up my {Ponder}, thankfully it isn't an expensive card.
Quote from: Potticus on March 22, 2013, 04:03:05 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on March 22, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Ultra pro are junk as far as I'm concerned. In another thread I mentioned how I had 3 rip on a side shuffle. It dinged up my {Ponder}, thankfully it isn't an expensive card.
But if you ding up a revised land... We have to kill someone.
Yeah I would have to throw it out...it impacted the side of the card, I re-sleeved it and put it back in - but it was heavily marked. I was not a happy camper.
I'd always used Ultra Pro because the LGS had them cheap, and everyone I knew was using them. Never again, I don't even play Limited with them.
I've got my EDH deck sleeved with Purple Dragon Shields and KMC Perfect Fits. It's a behemoth, but that deck is nearly $2,000. The purple ones dodge that crappy worn down look the blue gets IMMEDIATELY - the foils still just lose too much luster.
My mono-blue I put into KMC Mattes, it took me almost 40 minutes to get the Perfect Fits around my {Mana Drain}, {Force of Will} and {Timetwister} (yes, I am bragging a bit)
I've tried nearly every dragon shield: purple, white, grey, clear and the new orange hold up well. Blue gets 10 thumbs down, green, red and black are miserable. It'd still trust any of them to Ultra Pro any day.
I have Blue, Red, and Gold Dragon Sleeves and have no problems with them at all. They hold up fantastic and never had a sleeve break yet.
Quote from: Dudecore on March 22, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
I've tried nearly every dragon shield: purple, white, grey, clear and the new orange hold up well. Blue gets 10 thumbs down, green, red and black are miserable. It'd still trust any of them to Ultra Pro any day.
I've been looking at picking up some white or gray ones but would like to know first from someone who owns them - can you see through the backs? I have the orange and can see the red and white mana dots on the card backs through the sleeves and it bothers me a bit.
I have all the colors you thumbs down and call miserable lol. I think they are pretty great, but I don't have any of the colors you claim are better to compare them to aside from orange ;)
Quote from: Potticus on March 22, 2013, 04:03:05 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on March 22, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Ultra pro are junk as far as I'm concerned. In another thread I mentioned how I had 3 rip on a side shuffle. It dinged up my {Ponder}, thankfully it isn't an expensive card.
But if you ding up a revised land... We have to kill someone.
True that. I dinged up a {Snapcaster Mage} when I used to use them.
I have my legacy deck in ultra pro pro-fit then KMC matte blacks. It makes the deck thick but it feels super sturdy. I do hate putting cards in the pro-fits though since you have to handle them quite a bit to get them to slide in... I almost bent a revised {Volcanic Island} while sleeving. Any tips for getting them in safely?
Sounds like the general consensus is KMC or Dragon Shield. Wish there was a way to start a poll.
Quote from: Barzini on March 22, 2013, 10:27:47 PM
Sounds like the general consensus is KMC or Dragon Shield. Wish there was a way to start a poll.
Ask and you shall receive. http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=20310.0
which sets of sleeves do you guys use to double sleeve cards easily?
KMC Perfect Fits. They do fit quite well into Dragon Shields, ironically - not so well in KMCs.
A buddy of mine actually bought the Ultra Pro perfect fits, and then threw them out. They were cut to weird sizes and didnt snug the card well.
Quote from: Dudecore on March 22, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
KMC Perfect Fits. They do fit quite well into Dragon Shields, ironically - not so well in KMCs.
A buddy of mine actually bought the Ultra Pro perfect fits, and then threw them out. They were cut to weird sizes and didnt snug the card well.
thanks DC and potticus
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