Don't you just hate....?

The only issue I have with that post is its not just the country that preaches intolerance, it's Islam also. Cult of dusty just barely made a video on that that covers it fantastic. I'd link it but it's get removed for swearing . He's on youtube

I would take the challenge that I could take ANYTHING and make a video of it showing it to be intolerant. The Old Testament (and thus the Torah) are pretty quotable too for hateful verses against those of other faiths. Pillars of western culture from the 19th century (including texts from the USA presidents) are filled with white supremacy.
I would recommend to you, Taysby, to not get swept away by opinions in popular media. Currently it seems Islam is getting into the position of Communism in the 70s.
As said before, people were very quick to jump onto the ISIS bandwagon, while now there claim seems to have been false, or at least other than religious motives have played.

I did, partially. The presenter thinking that yelling and swearing helps his point put me off about halfway.
Besides the way it was presented, there where quite the few factual omissions and inaccuracies.
Let's take the phrase: "Islam means submission". Factually correct, but taken out of its context. I'm not a native Arab speaker, but I do know it's a complex language, that derives much of it's translation from context. Like in English when you refer to an Ass, you could be meaning different things.

Let's take Wikipedia on this:
Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, submission, safeness and peace.[24] In a religious context it means "voluntary submission to God".

And, as stated before. I could take pretty much anything, give it a hatchet job, and present it as something else.

Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me

Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament

Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me

Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament

Not quite. The people in Sodom and Gomorrah would rape people. There's a part where they try to break into someone's house to rape their visitors. (Genisis Chapter 19). By today's standards they were absolutely awful places, whether you're okay with gay relations or not, forced sex of any kind is not okay.

I'm fuzzy on the Old Testament, and honestly lots of it doesn't sit well with me. But if you read the New Testament Christians are called to treat everyone kindly. Period. Yeah, that means the anti-gay parades and you'll burn in hell speeches are not something that I believe the bible advocates. Jesus himself saved a prostitute from getting stoned (and not the good kind).

However raining fire and brimstone on a town full of rapists sounds like justice to me.

(I've taken a fair amount of apologetics and would be considered a Christian, though I have no desire to be associated with a lot of people that call themselves Christians.)

Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2016, 01:01:25 PM

Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me

Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament

Not quite. The people in Sodom and Gomorrah would rape people. There's a part where they try to break into someone's house to rape their visitors. (Genisis Chapter 19). By today's standards they were absolutely awful places, whether you're okay with gay relations or not, forced sex of any kind is not okay.

I'm fuzzy on the Old Testament, and honestly lots of it doesn't sit well with me. But if you read the New Testament Christians are called to treat everyone kindly. Period. Yeah, that means the anti-gay parades and you'll burn in hell speeches are not something that I believe the bible advocates. Jesus himself saved a prostitute from getting stoned (and not the good kind).

However raining fire and brimstone on a town full of rapists sounds like justice to me.

(I've taken a fair amount of apologetics and would be considered a Christian, though I have no desire to be associated with a lot of people that call themselves Christians.)

Haven't been forced to read the bible in a while. But my understanding of the two cities was they were full of all sinners and the 7 deadly sins. Especially know for anal sex of men. Hence the name sodom and the term sodomy. 

Really don't care that the New Testament gives different views. If someone is an extremist they will take what they want from the teachings that's all I'm trying to explain. I haven't read the Koran (not sure if I spelled it correct) but I would guess it's similar to the bible and full of contradictions. Thus anyone can take bits and pieces to use as ammunition for their own personal adjenda.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 17, 2016, 04:34:28 PM

Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2016, 01:01:25 PM

Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me

Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament

Not quite. The people in Sodom and Gomorrah would rape people. There's a part where they try to break into someone's house to rape their visitors. (Genisis Chapter 19). By today's standards they were absolutely awful places, whether you're okay with gay relations or not, forced sex of any kind is not okay.

I'm fuzzy on the Old Testament, and honestly lots of it doesn't sit well with me. But if you read the New Testament Christians are called to treat everyone kindly. Period. Yeah, that means the anti-gay parades and you'll burn in hell speeches are not something that I believe the bible advocates. Jesus himself saved a prostitute from getting stoned (and not the good kind).

However raining fire and brimstone on a town full of rapists sounds like justice to me.

(I've taken a fair amount of apologetics and would be considered a Christian, though I have no desire to be associated with a lot of people that call themselves Christians.)

Haven't been forced to read the bible in a while. But my understanding of the two cities was they were full of all sinners and the 7 deadly sins. Especially know for anal sex of men. Hence the name sodom and the term sodomy. 

Really don't care that the New Testament gives different views. If someone is an extremist they will take what they want from the teachings that's all I'm trying to explain. I haven't read the Koran (not sure if I spelled it correct) but I would guess it's similar to the bible and full of contradictions. Thus anyone can take bits and pieces to use as ammunition for their own personal adjenda.

recently read genesis for school, and the mane thing for sodom, was that they were rapists, like people said.  It was implied that gay sexual relations were evil,  but the mane thing that made god destroy sodom was the rape.  They tried to rape 2 angels god sent down there to check on sodom (these angels were 'men' btw).  I would definitely say as a whole the old testament is very anti-gay, and homophobic.

@Rass: You see, that's why I hesitate to call myself a Christian. But in reality if you actually read the bible it does not justify the actions of those extremists. 9/10 it'll condemn them. But I'll admit my faith is shaken when I read stuff like "if your kid is disobedient take him out and stone him as an example to the other kids."

The connection between the Muslim and Christian faith is that Muslim teachings are basically a BC (literally before Christ in this context) version of the Christian faith. Then it got warped pretty ridiculously.

@Rass: You see, that's why I hesitate to call myself a Christian. But in reality if you actually read the bible it does not justify the actions of those extremists. 9/10 it'll condemn them. But I'll admit my faith is shaken when I read stuff like "if your kid is disobedient take him out and stone him as an example to the other kids."

The connection between the Muslim and Christian faith is that Muslim teachings are basically a BC (literally before Christ in this context) version of the Christian faith. Then it got warped pretty ridiculously.

We're in the same boat, my friend.

@Rass: You see, that's why I hesitate to call myself a Christian. But in reality if you actually read the bible it does not justify the actions of those extremists. 9/10 it'll condemn them. But I'll admit my faith is shaken when I read stuff like "if your kid is disobedient take him out and stone him as an example to the other kids."

The connection between the Muslim and Christian faith is that Muslim teachings are basically a BC (literally before Christ in this context) version of the Christian faith. Then it got warped pretty ridiculously.

How is Islam BC when Islam was founded in the early 7th century AD?
Also, remember, early Christianity, especially Catholicism, had a forced conversion or die mentality. A lot of "pagan" religions were exterminated by Christianity's slow march across Europe

It seems that Islam is going through its dark ages period much like the Christians did in Europe in the days of the Catholic Churches crusades.eventually I'm sure the religion will splinter into more accepting branches and this extremism will be just a dark spot on its history.

It seems that Islam is going through its dark ages period much like the Christians did in Europe in the days of the Catholic Churches crusades.eventually I'm sure the religion will splinter into more accepting branches and this extremism will be just a dark spot on its history.

There are currently eight denominations of Islam, of which two are widely known, Sunni and Shia. The other generally accepted branches are Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Ibadi, Mahdavia, Quranist, and Yazdânism.

Quote from: Nephalia on June 17, 2016, 11:25:50 PM

It seems that Islam is going through its dark ages period much like the Christians did in Europe in the days of the Catholic Churches crusades.eventually I'm sure the religion will splinter into more accepting branches and this extremism will be just a dark spot on its history.

There are currently eight denominations of Islam, of which two are widely known, Sunni and Shia. The other generally accepted branches are Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Ibadi, Mahdavia, Quranist, and Yazdânism.

I knew of Sunni and Shia but not the others. Thanks! Research time.